That's communism, not socialism. Even if fox news tells you so the 2 are not the same.
You can have a socialist government over a capitalist economy where you just set high taxes and use them to make sure everyone, even poor people, disabled people, sick people and foolish people get a roof over their heads, food to eat and decent medical care.
If so, I'm fairly sure that was never a goal of the U.S. military.
If at first you don't succeed, redefine success.
The status of the 3rd item is, at best, inconclusive
really? inconclusive? so it's kinda uncertain if they ever captured him then? That's news to me! There I was thinking he was either scot free or possibly after dying of natural causes(he needs kidney dialysis or some such doesn't he and there was some speculation that he'd actually died?).
Aren't the Taliban gradually regaining control?
And isn't Al Qaeda more powerful with more support than ever?
"Revelations of infidelity and bisexuality/homosexuality will still be effective blackmail though, because they can still trash your marriage / family / personal relationships - whether you are ashamed or not."
Well bisexuality/homosexuality would be no use whatsoever for blackmail against people who turn up to the pride parade every year.
For a GOP senator on the other hand or someone who's "prayed the gay away" it would still be effective.
So weather you are ashamed or not can make a big difference.
Ok... reading that article made me cringe.
Cyber Command has reunited the missions.
Though the task force in the early years lacked clout, it did have some notable successes, veterans said. During Moonlight Maze, it issued the first military-wide order to change passwords, said Marc Sachs, who had been an Army engineer. And it instituted precautions to ensure that military networks would be protected against any "Y2K" calamity.
On New Year's Eve 2000, a group of task force members watched a bank of clocks as first Japan, then Australia passed into the new millennium without incident. When that happened, they were confident the United States would follow suit, Sachs recalled.
A few minutes after midnight, Campbell and several other members ascended to the DISA roof top. They gazed across the Potomac River and saw the lights in the capital city still blazing. They lit their cigars and watched the fireworks shoot across the sky.
Their great successes: They changed passwords and their networks were not wiped out by the Y2K bug! Truly the US has the best "cyber-warfare" capabilities in the world!
"The intelligence could be obtained through computers, satellites or other technology, or by more traditional means, he said, recalling the time he sent "a human agent into a foreign marketplace to buy a CD of hacker tools" to better understand a particular attack that had taken place. "
Another triumph! they bought a bunch of password crackers, keygens, scanners and sniffers. Any bets on how much of it was really secret and how much of it was merely secret to people who haven't a clue about where such tools can be found normally?
And don't forget, once "warriors" are in charge rather than real network security specialists every attack becomes the actions of whoever the favourite villain is rather than just another botnet herder or teen hacker.
The attacks, dubbed Solar Sunrise, appeared to be coming from overseas, including from the United Arab Emirates. Intelligence officials thought Iraqi President Saddam Hussein might have ordered them.
"It looked as though Saddam was about to take down massive amounts of infrastructure . . . because we were threatening to bomb him," recalled one former intelligence official. Tensions were building. President Bill Clinton was briefed. Senior officials convened another meeting in the Pentagon's "tank," the Joint Chiefs' conference room. The threat was no longer hypothetical, it seemed.
Then the real culprits were identified: A pair of 16-year-old boys in California and a teenager from Israel who had exploited a known vulnerability in the Solaris (UNIX) operating system.
Just gotta set up some kind of repeated that presses the button millions of times until the only people still on the internet are people I know. Hyper fast downloads for me and everyone I know! I win!
There are plenty of unanswerable questions in the world, hell even mathematics has a selection of questions which can be proven to be utterly impossible to find answers for. It's provable that no consistent system can also be complete.ever.(ok with the exception of a system so trivial that you can't add 1+1 within it)
whether or not the color I see as red is someone else's green,
What makes you think it doesn't answer that? It probably isn't. At least not for everyone. Look up Synesthesia. it might interest you.
Some people experience colours as sounds, smells as feelings or numbers as shapes.
Quotes from the wiki page:
Tori Amos- "The song appears as light filament once I've cracked it. As long as I've been doing this, which is more than thirty-five years, I've never seen a duplicate song structure. I've never seen the same light creature in my life. Obviously similar chord progressions follow similar light patterns, but try to imagine the best kaleidoscope ever."
Steve Aylett
"It's not as strange or unusual as it's made out to be - it's just a bit of a crossover of different senses. So I see music, taste some colours and so on. I think the music thing is very common, but people tell themselves that that isn't what's happening."
It's possibly an urban legend but it's been claimed that that Jimi Hendrix had synesthesia and experienced the song or part of the song "Purple Haze" as an actual purple haze.
For all you know you could have a minor form of Synesthesia where you experience red and green and green as red and there would be no way for you to ever notice or know. And the thing is that it makes no difference in any way. Red is still red, what you call red and what I call red would still be the same.
why I am me and not someone else,
Why am I not a sock? Why banana? toast?
why I feel as if my consciousness is in my head rather than my liver,
Probably because you've been told that the brain is where thought takes place and that's where you eyes are. If you asked a blind man who had grown up isolated without ever being told that the brain in your head is the important part he might pick a different part of his body as what he considers his centre of consciousness. Not everyone always has. At times in history the prevailing view has been that the heart was the centre of consciousness(since you died if it stopped and any damage to it was so utterly painful ), people still talk about the heart as the centre of emotion even though we know that's mostly the brain with some hormones coming into it(again in different cultures at different times this has been attributed to different places like the liver)
or whether my liver actually is conscious at all.
It's very conscious of the levels of various chemicals in your blood. beyond that it's a mushy chemical plant.
You're just using the word "qualia" as a placeholder for "insert magicalness here".
"To the machine everything that is input into it is simply a value to be shunted through its algorithms."
To a human brain everything is just electrical impulses to be shunted through a mushy network of cells. Nothing has been grown to actually cause the experience of [insert magicalness here] or true appreciation.
Stick some electrodes into that mushy network and feed in some junk input and you'll smell colours, hear the taste of strawberries and decide that you love a cardboard cutout of a spider.
Cut out or damage a chunk of that network and you'll insist that you are currently dead(despite being able to explain this to the people around you) or that there is no left side to your body(even if you can see it) or that you are blind when you're not ( while somehow able to catch a ball and walk around without bumping into things) or that you're not blind even when you are (clumsy me, no no, i can see fine) and you will know with utter certainty that what you're saying is true.
You as a person are the network and the information stored in it. Screw around with that network and you and everything that you consider you will get screwed up as well. Magic is not real. No matter how much we want to think of ourselves as special magic is not real.
And since magic is not real there should be nothing but lack of understanding stopping us from emulating the physical processes that take place in the brain in hardware or software.
The scarier posibility is that it might half work and other governments will go the same way. I can imagine that malware being written and [not forced but if you want to not get sued you have to install it for liability reasons.... and once most people are using it the remainder can be forced on the basis of "if you have nothing to hide"] pushed onto machines.
They thought that the "Pirate" name was key to draw attention to the issue and they tried to ride on that PR wave. By now, however, I'm convinced that the "Pirate" name -- more befitting of a costume party than of a political party -- was a mistake and with a "dull" name they might not have had that initial PR momentum but they could have built a real organization that's here to stay.
I feel I must mention that there's a long tradition of political parties having names like that.
In the UK-
the name "Tory" derrives from tóraidhe- meaning outlaw or robber. 'from the Irish word tóir, meaning "pursuit", since outlaws were "pursued men".'
"Thus a volcano can kill people, but it makes no sense to hold the volcano responsible for doing so"
Minor side note- even an agent with no free will can be punished, a snake might be destroyed if it kills someone etc. though they aren't punishments so much as removing a dangerous agent, free will or not.
Who said anything about monitering? i'm assuming decent encryption would be used. I was talking about hammering the network for an hour or so when it would be least convenient for the owners.
Assuming nobody digs down to the fibres or installs malicious hardware which sits quietly until when you want to cause problems and then spams the network until smoke comes out of the routers
"One such piece of bullshit was about "nature thriving" in Chernobyl in spite of the radiation, when, in fact, nature was and still is faring worse than thriving because of the radiation."
You mean how it's not as vibrant as in a pristine wildlife preserves?
When people use terms like "in spite of" they generally don't mean it's helping. And plenty of species are doing pretty damn well in spite of the radiation. Also heavy metal contamination will do that too.
There's a selection bias here. There is cheap crap now which breaks right away. There has always been cheap crap that breaks right away.
But you remember the lightbulb which lasted 10 years, not the other 20 that came with it and all burned out in the first few years. You remember the phone which lasted 10 years, not the one which you had to take back after a week with a flaky screen.
People assume that they built things better in the old days because the items from that era have lasted so well. Ignoring that the items that didn't last aren't here to be evaluated.
In 20 years there will still be people talking about the washing machine they bought back in 2010 which lasted 20 years and why can't they build like that nowdays.
though I'll agree with you that whirlpool as a brand is terrible.
However in the rest of europe there was no shortage of bullshit. A few papers in ireland were quick to claim that the radioactive dust thrown into the atmosphere would be killing livestock as far away as the UK and ireland and that the entire area around the reactor would be a permanent lifeless wasteland.
and I'm sure you know more about it than the government which had to deal with the fallout(literally) for years.
I'm still not seeing the public demonstration of natural/artifical selection (at least not significantly more than in the rest of the world).
That sounds like a pretty fair report.
An extra 1 in a million chance of dying from cancer for the general population sounds reasonably but I'm genuinely curious how they seperated that from all the regular cancer deaths since even over a large population noise and confounding factors like improvements in treatments for other killers like heart disease would change the rates of cancer deaths by that much and more.
All that means is that copyright can cover things which are technology. That does not mean it spurs technological advancement.
You can copyright your code all you want but without patents on any inventions or innovations in it I'm free to re-create it with my own code and own style.
Saying copyright has anything to do with tecnological advancement is simply wrong.
For which part? For humans living in the exclusion zone read anything about the area. There's apparently about 400 people who either refused to leave or moved back later.
For exagerated claims about how the area was going to be an inhospitable wasteland read any current greenpeace article on the matter or read some old newspapers from the late 1980's.
"any exposure to radiation causes harm it is just a case of how well are bodies able to tolerate it."
Which is true for everything. Any falls cause harm, it is just a case of how well are bodies able to tolerate it. Any UV from sunlight causes harm,it is just a case of how well are bodies able to tolerate it. Any time causes harm,it is just a case of how well are bodies able to tolerate it.
You are being exposed to radiation every second of every day. If you live in an area with a lot of granite then you're being exposed to far more than I am in an area without much granite.
And the human body is pretty good at surviving moderate levels of radiation. Your cells don't just sit there when they're damaged by radiation, they have a whole range of capabilities for dealing with damage from radiation.
Don't eat alpha emmitters, don't eat heavy metals radioactive or not,try to avoid long term exposure to more than a few times normal background radiation, try to avoid short term exposure to 20 or 30 times normal background radiation and your chances of getting cancer won't change by more than a few fractions of a percent.
Though it probably is the alpha emmitters. Heavy metals are bad to eat, breath or rub on your skin radioactive or not. You'd want to wear some protective gear when handling any industrial waste. Personally I'd want more gear than they have if I was working around a coal fly ash pile or a lead mine.
Plain old uranium is nothing special on that count. As a radiation source it isn't even too bad as long as it isn't around too much other uranium.
Not really. The predictions used to involve everything bigger than rats keeling over and nothing but the most hardy stuff surviving in the contaminated areas. They've gradually changed to reflect reality and the nature of radioactive decay. Feel free to forget that though and pretend you always expected exactly what happened.
As it turned out an area contaminated by radation appears to be far more hospitable to wildlife than an area heavily populated by humans.
And humans do live in the exclusion zone. Not many but some do.
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That's communism, not socialism.
Even if fox news tells you so the 2 are not the same.
You can have a socialist government over a capitalist economy where you just set high taxes and use them to make sure everyone, even poor people, disabled people, sick people and foolish people get a roof over their heads, food to eat and decent medical care.
If so, I'm fairly sure that was never a goal of the U.S. military.
If at first you don't succeed, redefine success.
The status of the 3rd item is, at best, inconclusive
really?
inconclusive?
so it's kinda uncertain if they ever captured him then?
That's news to me!
There I was thinking he was either scot free or possibly after dying of natural causes(he needs kidney dialysis or some such doesn't he and there was some speculation that he'd actually died?).
Aren't the Taliban gradually regaining control?
And isn't Al Qaeda more powerful with more support than ever?
"Revelations of infidelity and bisexuality/homosexuality will still be effective blackmail though, because they can still trash your marriage / family / personal relationships - whether you are ashamed or not."
Well bisexuality/homosexuality would be no use whatsoever for blackmail against people who turn up to the pride parade every year.
For a GOP senator on the other hand or someone who's "prayed the gay away" it would still be effective.
So weather you are ashamed or not can make a big difference.
Ok... reading that article made me cringe.
Cyber Command has reunited the missions.
Though the task force in the early years lacked clout, it did have some notable successes, veterans said. During Moonlight Maze, it issued the first military-wide order to change passwords, said Marc Sachs, who had been an Army engineer. And it instituted precautions to ensure that military networks would be protected against any "Y2K" calamity.
On New Year's Eve 2000, a group of task force members watched a bank of clocks as first Japan, then Australia passed into the new millennium without incident. When that happened, they were confident the United States would follow suit, Sachs recalled.
A few minutes after midnight, Campbell and several other members ascended to the DISA roof top. They gazed across the Potomac River and saw the lights in the capital city still blazing. They lit their cigars and watched the fireworks shoot across the sky.
Their great successes: They changed passwords and their networks were not wiped out by the Y2K bug!
Truly the US has the best "cyber-warfare" capabilities in the world!
"The intelligence could be obtained through computers, satellites or other technology, or by more traditional means, he said, recalling the time he sent "a human agent into a foreign marketplace to buy a CD of hacker tools" to better understand a particular attack that had taken place. "
Another triumph!
they bought a bunch of password crackers, keygens, scanners and sniffers.
Any bets on how much of it was really secret and how much of it was merely secret to people who haven't a clue about where such tools can be found normally?
And don't forget, once "warriors" are in charge rather than real network security specialists every attack becomes the actions of whoever the favourite villain is rather than just another botnet herder or teen hacker.
The attacks, dubbed Solar Sunrise, appeared to be coming from overseas, including from the United Arab Emirates. Intelligence officials thought Iraqi President Saddam Hussein might have ordered them.
"It looked as though Saddam was about to take down massive amounts of infrastructure . . . because we were threatening to bomb him," recalled one former intelligence official. Tensions were building. President Bill Clinton was briefed. Senior officials convened another meeting in the Pentagon's "tank," the Joint Chiefs' conference room. The threat was no longer hypothetical, it seemed.
Then the real culprits were identified: A pair of 16-year-old boys in California and a teenager from Israel who had exploited a known vulnerability in the Solaris (UNIX) operating system.
Don't worry, it doesn't disconnect people you know.
So you still have people to talk to.
Just gotta set up some kind of repeated that presses the button millions of times until the only people still on the internet are people I know.
Hyper fast downloads for me and everyone I know!
I win!
There are plenty of unanswerable questions in the world, hell even mathematics has a selection of questions which can be proven to be utterly impossible to find answers for.
It's provable that no consistent system can also be complete.ever.(ok with the exception of a system so trivial that you can't add 1+1 within it)
whether or not the color I see as red is someone else's green,
What makes you think it doesn't answer that?
It probably isn't.
At least not for everyone.
Look up Synesthesia.
it might interest you.
Some people experience colours as sounds, smells as feelings or numbers as shapes.
Quotes from the wiki page:
Tori Amos-
"The song appears as light filament once I've cracked it. As long as I've been doing this, which is more than thirty-five years, I've never seen a duplicate song structure. I've never seen the same light creature in my life. Obviously similar chord progressions follow similar light patterns, but try to imagine the best kaleidoscope ever."
Steve Aylett
"It's not as strange or unusual as it's made out to be - it's just a bit of a crossover of different senses. So I see music, taste some colours and so on. I think the music thing is very common, but people tell themselves that that isn't what's happening."
It's possibly an urban legend but it's been claimed that that Jimi Hendrix had synesthesia and experienced the song or part of the song "Purple Haze" as an actual purple haze.
For all you know you could have a minor form of Synesthesia where you experience red and green and green as red and there would be no way for you to ever notice or know.
And the thing is that it makes no difference in any way.
Red is still red, what you call red and what I call red would still be the same.
why I am me and not someone else,
Why am I not a sock?
Why banana?
toast?
why I feel as if my consciousness is in my head rather than my liver,
Probably because you've been told that the brain is where thought takes place and that's where you eyes are.
If you asked a blind man who had grown up isolated without ever being told that the brain in your head is the important part he might pick a different part of his body as what he considers his centre of consciousness.
Not everyone always has.
At times in history the prevailing view has been that the heart was the centre of consciousness(since you died if it stopped and any damage to it was so utterly painful ), people still talk about the heart as the centre of emotion even though we know that's mostly the brain with some hormones coming into it(again in different cultures at different times this has been attributed to different places like the liver)
or whether my liver actually is conscious at all.
It's very conscious of the levels of various chemicals in your blood.
beyond that it's a mushy chemical plant.
You're just using the word "qualia" as a placeholder for "insert magicalness here".
"To the machine everything that is input into it is simply a value to be shunted through its algorithms."
To a human brain everything is just electrical impulses to be shunted through a mushy network of cells.
Nothing has been grown to actually cause the experience of [insert magicalness here] or true appreciation.
Stick some electrodes into that mushy network and feed in some junk input and you'll smell colours, hear the taste of strawberries and decide that you love a cardboard cutout of a spider.
Cut out or damage a chunk of that network and you'll insist that you are currently dead(despite being able to explain this to the people around you) or that there is no left side to your body(even if you can see it) or that you are blind when you're not ( while somehow able to catch a ball and walk around without bumping into things) or that you're not blind even when you are (clumsy me, no no, i can see fine) and you will know with utter certainty that what you're saying is true.
You as a person are the network and the information stored in it.
Screw around with that network and you and everything that you consider you will get screwed up as well.
Magic is not real.
No matter how much we want to think of ourselves as special magic is not real.
And since magic is not real there should be nothing but lack of understanding stopping us from emulating the physical processes that take place in the brain in hardware or software.
The scarier posibility is that it might half work and other governments will go the same way.
I can imagine that malware being written and [not forced but if you want to not get sued you have to install it for liability reasons.... and once most people are using it the remainder can be forced on the basis of "if you have nothing to hide"] pushed onto machines.
Right to read anyone?
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
That software sounds like pretty much what he described.
They thought that the "Pirate" name was key to draw attention to the issue and they tried to ride on that PR wave. By now, however, I'm convinced that the "Pirate" name -- more befitting of a costume party than of a political party -- was a mistake and with a "dull" name they might not have had that initial PR momentum but they could have built a real organization that's here to stay.
I feel I must mention that there's a long tradition of political parties having names like that.
In the UK-
the name "Tory" derrives from tóraidhe- meaning outlaw or robber.
'from the Irish word tóir, meaning "pursuit", since outlaws were "pursued men".'
"Thus a volcano can kill people, but it makes no sense to hold the volcano responsible for doing so"
Minor side note- even an agent with no free will can be punished, a snake might be destroyed if it kills someone etc.
though they aren't punishments so much as removing a dangerous agent, free will or not.
Why should it have to use standard image formats?
Your brain doens't.
And not all my daydreams are visual.
Pleanty are merely fictional/planned conversations or even thoughts about physical movement.
Who said anything about monitering?
i'm assuming decent encryption would be used.
I was talking about hammering the network for an hour or so when it would be least convenient for the owners.
You appear to be replying to the voices in your head now rather than my post.
Assuming nobody digs down to the fibres or installs malicious hardware which sits quietly until when you want to cause problems and then spams the network until smoke comes out of the routers
"One such piece of bullshit was about "nature thriving" in Chernobyl in spite of the radiation, when, in fact, nature was and still is faring worse than thriving because of the radiation."
You mean how it's not as vibrant as in a pristine wildlife preserves?
When people use terms like "in spite of" they generally don't mean it's helping.
And plenty of species are doing pretty damn well in spite of the radiation.
Also heavy metal contamination will do that too.
That will last 20 years like they used to
There's a selection bias here.
There is cheap crap now which breaks right away.
There has always been cheap crap that breaks right away.
But you remember the lightbulb which lasted 10 years, not the other 20 that came with it and all burned out in the first few years.
You remember the phone which lasted 10 years, not the one which you had to take back after a week with a flaky screen.
People assume that they built things better in the old days because the items from that era have lasted so well.
Ignoring that the items that didn't last aren't here to be evaluated.
In 20 years there will still be people talking about the washing machine they bought back in 2010 which lasted 20 years and why can't they build like that nowdays.
though I'll agree with you that whirlpool as a brand is terrible.
"in the affected countries in the 80s"
However in the rest of europe there was no shortage of bullshit.
A few papers in ireland were quick to claim that the radioactive dust thrown into the atmosphere would be killing livestock as far away as the UK and ireland and that the entire area around the reactor would be a permanent lifeless wasteland.
and I'm sure you know more about it than the government which had to deal with the fallout(literally) for years.
I'm still not seeing the public demonstration of natural/artifical selection (at least not significantly more than in the rest of the world).
That sounds like a pretty fair report.
An extra 1 in a million chance of dying from cancer for the general population sounds reasonably but I'm genuinely curious how they seperated that from all the regular cancer deaths since even over a large population noise and confounding factors like improvements in treatments for other killers like heart disease would change the rates of cancer deaths by that much and more.
All that means is that copyright can cover things which are technology.
That does not mean it spurs technological advancement.
You can copyright your code all you want but without patents on any inventions or innovations in it I'm free to re-create it with my own code and own style.
Saying copyright has anything to do with tecnological advancement is simply wrong.
For which part?
For humans living in the exclusion zone read anything about the area.
There's apparently about 400 people who either refused to leave or moved back later.
For exagerated claims about how the area was going to be an inhospitable wasteland read any current greenpeace article on the matter or read some old newspapers from the late 1980's.
As for the silly claims by the poster I replied to he might be interested to know they're planning to resettle large sections of the exclusion zone.
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles_2010/Chernobyl_repopulation.pdf
"you might want to ask people from ukraine and belarus how fascinating it is to experience natural, that is, artificial selection in first person."
Are they dying of cancer more?
Deaths, Neoplasms, per 100000 (most recent data available used)
Belarus 164.11
Ukraine 159.08
Denmark 212.62
Germany 170.19
Ireland 181.82
Italy 170.66
Luxembourg 172.65
EU average 178.09
Source:World Health Organisation
http://data.euro.who.int/hfamdb/
"any exposure to radiation causes harm it is just a case of how well are bodies able to tolerate it."
Which is true for everything.
Any falls cause harm, it is just a case of how well are bodies able to tolerate it.
Any UV from sunlight causes harm,it is just a case of how well are bodies able to tolerate it.
Any time causes harm,it is just a case of how well are bodies able to tolerate it.
You are being exposed to radiation every second of every day.
If you live in an area with a lot of granite then you're being exposed to far more than I am in an area without much granite.
And the human body is pretty good at surviving moderate levels of radiation.
Your cells don't just sit there when they're damaged by radiation, they have a whole range of capabilities for dealing with damage from radiation.
Don't eat alpha emmitters, don't eat heavy metals radioactive or not ,try to avoid long term exposure to more than a few times normal background radiation, try to avoid short term exposure to 20 or 30 times normal background radiation and your chances of getting cancer won't change by more than a few fractions of a percent.
Though it probably is the alpha emmitters.
Heavy metals are bad to eat, breath or rub on your skin radioactive or not.
You'd want to wear some protective gear when handling any industrial waste.
Personally I'd want more gear than they have if I was working around a coal fly ash pile or a lead mine.
Plain old uranium is nothing special on that count.
As a radiation source it isn't even too bad as long as it isn't around too much other uranium.
Not really.
The predictions used to involve everything bigger than rats keeling over and nothing but the most hardy stuff surviving in the contaminated areas.
They've gradually changed to reflect reality and the nature of radioactive decay.
Feel free to forget that though and pretend you always expected exactly what happened.
As it turned out an area contaminated by radation appears to be far more hospitable to wildlife than an area heavily populated by humans.
And humans do live in the exclusion zone.
Not many but some do.