I agree with the other comment- they might have done better if they'd gone with a "doom starts here" style ending. instead of that awful first person section make a decent plot out of people trying to stop the disaster before the start of doom and focus on that, end with them failing(or if you must have some kind of happy ending the hero sacrifices himself to get the love interest and generic people to be saved out, end on a couple of seconds of first person view matching the start of the game)
but personally I think doom wasn't a great one to make into a movie, it was a slash fest, not a story.
Movie to game conversions can be good but only if they're not released at the same time as the movie. Games released at the same time as the movie tend to be shovelware rushed out for a release date. Games released years after the movie can be good since they can spend the time to get it right and the devs will actually see the movie before making the game.
The big problem with a system based on the general public throwing money into a pot to get a sequel to their favorite movie is that it's a real tragedy of the commons scenario.
It can work. There are some people who make a living from donations from fans- example: Dwarf Fortress. but you can never get rich or even earn much above average that way as people aren't inclined to give money to people who they perceive as wealthier than they are.
So to earn the wages of an intern you have to be a top of the line artist and you won't earn more than that while the intern may one day be getting the pay of a senior engineer.
I think you missed the point of the GP. I lean more towards a conservative way of thinking like you but he makes a good point about the laws of supply and demand being broken when cost of duplication hits zero.
copyright laws are a hack to try to keep a legacy system running and a clumsy hack at that.
Why of all possible examples choose that one? I mean that movie was awful! I cringed when it went first person.
Why it ever got a movie adaption I don't know, the game hardly had a plot beyond "blast the shit out of everything that moves" which gets pretty old fast in a movie.
Some games I could see adapting well to the silver screen but unfortunately those games are the ones which have strong plots and are already pretty movie-like already, someone could probably make a pretty good movie based in the halo universe, halflife is also a pretty good backdrop but in both cases it's the worlds which would suit a movie, not the exact plot of the games.
I actually liked the silent hill movie, thought they got some of the feel of the game into it though the ending felt a bit brisk.
it sounds an awful lot like the military has just started using similar systems to the ones gamer guild have been using for years to coordinate attacks in MMO's.
I thought the military with it's massive R&D budget was supposed to be years ahead of the curve, not years behind.
of course they probably don't suffer occasional information blackouts because the guy who's supposed to be relaying stuff had to go put out the trash.:D
"So you're saying you couldn't look at a flow chart and easily write code to implement it?" how deep is the ocean.
sure if it's the kind of ultra specific flowchart that are possible with some of the UML tools then sure, the chart itself could be compiled in which case it would be an implementation. If you can feed your flowchart into an interpreter and get out working code or a binary, no problem.
If on the other hand you just want to patent the general idea dressed up with a useless flowchart that lacks the detail to actually implement it (in which case we hit [slows car down] land again)
"But no one's that stupid." there's your answer to the challenge that someone might just implement it in another language if you included actual real code.
I'm quite capable of reading and understanding flowcharts, I'm just well aware that the world is full of con artists who think a vague flowchart is anything more than a vague idea.
so if you do it on a computer and big then it's special?
It wasn't a patent on some kind of new system which allowed stock control and shipping over twenty warehouses in ten states, 27 million cataloged items in books alone, Quarterly sales around $5 billion dollars etc etc etc
they patented the idea of being able to order what you want with a click.
my local bartended knows my usual, I can sit down with some friends, catch his eye and perhaps catch his attention with a click and he'll deliver my order to me a few minutes later.
just doing something on a computer or with more people does not magically make it origional.
and where's the code in those patent applications? without the code all you have is a general idea, not an innovative invention.
whenever I hear people talk about how these things are fine because it means they can throw in extras charges when they catch someone I just wonder why they don't get it over with and just make some laws like 10 years for wearing shoes in the commission of a crime, 20 years for possession of keys while committing a crime. life for having eyebrows while committing a felony.
god yes. When I was a teen I played MMO's as a form of escapism. Hell, I knew what I was doing. Life wasn't so bad in real terms but your list of reasons why life isn't fun for teenagers is pretty good. I'd add in pressure to do well in school and sometimes just an urge to explore and travel which you can't excercise much when you have little money, no job and limited time.
And oddly it really did improve my life. I didn't drop completely into MMO's like some do since I don't latch on to the social aspect much- which is what really hooks a lot of people. It gave me an outlet, somewhere to get away and just wander. I'd spend hours just exploring worlds some dev had thrown together and in the morning I'd be tired but life seemed less grim and oppressive.
if you were that child would you want the authorities to spend their time an effort chasing their own tails trying to erase those images or spend that same time and energy trying to save kids from experiencing a similar fate. if you decrease the supply you drive up the price giving more incentive to hurt kids.
But sure lets go with your plan so we can shut our eyes and pretend all is right with the world and it isn't happening.
keep going with that line of thought. if you restrict the supply you make it more valuable and drive up the price. 2 copies of the same picture of the same abuse distributed over P2P to two different users yields no revenue while 1 copy SOLD to a pervert who can't find it for free yields pleanty. Therefore there is more incentive to create more pictures, IOW more abuse.
Just to throw complexity into the works there's a lot of screwed up laws in various countries that boil down to a number of insane situations like
Being guilty of creating and possessing child pornography if you snap a photo of yourself as a teenager and in many places teenagers can marry each other at 17 and have sex with their husband/wife but god forbid they video-tape the night of the honeymoon for themselves.
I mean seriously. It creates situations where documenting utterly legal events where nobody is being taken advantage illegal.
Not really. In a world of doormats anyone with half a spine will have a quiet life since once they stand up for themselves a few times it's easier to go after one of the doormats.
And unless many people are bulletproof you only need one person pointing a gun at your target. 20 bullets to the head are only marginally more fatal than 1 or 2.
But I get your idea. When it comes to group conflicts it gets more gametheory-ish
so what you're saying is that the scenario I layed out is exactly what happened.
They used a tool that sounds a little similar to Cain but developed internally to grab data. They then didn't alter it to stop it from recording the contents of the packets as well because it was working fine as it was.
seems pretty straightforward and not particularly sinister.
it doesn't yet the simplest and easiest way I can think of to capture that useful data with a simple laptop would be to set some program like cain listening in promiscuous mode and later match the SSID/timestamps with where I was at the time to build a map of network hotspots. Such an approach would also probably log the whole packets even if I'm not interested in them in the slightest.
cutting out the contents of the packets out would likely be more complex and would require some dev work.
Also you keep going on and on and on and on and on.... and on and on about this "double standard".
Here's the big secret: There's more than one person on slashdot. My opinions can differ from the twits complaining about their tweets and facebook profiles being datamined.
You know how I avoid those problems? I don't use twitter,facebook or open my wifi network. it's amazingly easy.
I can see a pretty simple use for it. If I'm traveling with my laptop it would be kinda handy to be able to pinpoint where I am without GPS. I'm sitting in range of an open wi-fi. I want to know where I am?
hit google and it pinpoints where I am based on the wireless networks around me.
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I agree with the other comment- they might have done better if they'd gone with a "doom starts here" style ending.
instead of that awful first person section make a decent plot out of people trying to stop the disaster before the start of doom and focus on that, end with them failing(or if you must have some kind of happy ending the hero sacrifices himself to get the love interest and generic people to be saved out, end on a couple of seconds of first person view matching the start of the game)
but personally I think doom wasn't a great one to make into a movie, it was a slash fest, not a story.
Movie to game conversions can be good but only if they're not released at the same time as the movie.
Games released at the same time as the movie tend to be shovelware rushed out for a release date.
Games released years after the movie can be good since they can spend the time to get it right and the devs will actually see the movie before making the game.
The big problem with a system based on the general public throwing money into a pot to get a sequel to their favorite movie is that it's a real tragedy of the commons scenario.
It can work. There are some people who make a living from donations from fans- example: Dwarf Fortress.
but you can never get rich or even earn much above average that way as people aren't inclined to give money to people who they perceive as wealthier than they are.
So to earn the wages of an intern you have to be a top of the line artist and you won't earn more than that while the intern may one day be getting the pay of a senior engineer.
I think you missed the point of the GP.
I lean more towards a conservative way of thinking like you but he makes a good point about the laws of supply and demand being broken when cost of duplication hits zero.
copyright laws are a hack to try to keep a legacy system running and a clumsy hack at that.
Why of all possible examples choose that one?
I mean that movie was awful!
I cringed when it went first person.
Why it ever got a movie adaption I don't know, the game hardly had a plot beyond "blast the shit out of everything that moves" which gets pretty old fast in a movie.
Some games I could see adapting well to the silver screen but unfortunately those games are the ones which have strong plots and are already pretty movie-like already, someone could probably make a pretty good movie based in the halo universe, halflife is also a pretty good backdrop but in both cases it's the worlds which would suit a movie, not the exact plot of the games.
I actually liked the silent hill movie, thought they got some of the feel of the game into it though the ending felt a bit brisk.
it sounds an awful lot like the military has just started using similar systems to the ones gamer guild have been using for years to coordinate attacks in MMO's.
I thought the military with it's massive R&D budget was supposed to be years ahead of the curve, not years behind.
of course they probably don't suffer occasional information blackouts because the guy who's supposed to be relaying stuff had to go put out the trash. :D
"So you're saying you couldn't look at a flow chart and easily write code to implement it?"
how deep is the ocean.
sure if it's the kind of ultra specific flowchart that are possible with some of the UML tools then sure, the chart itself could be compiled in which case it would be an implementation.
If you can feed your flowchart into an interpreter and get out working code or a binary, no problem.
If on the other hand you just want to patent the general idea dressed up with a useless flowchart that lacks the detail to actually implement it (in which case we hit [slows car down] land again)
"But no one's that stupid."
there's your answer to the challenge that someone might just implement it in another language if you included actual real code.
I'm quite capable of reading and understanding flowcharts, I'm just well aware that the world is full of con artists who think a vague flowchart is anything more than a vague idea.
and how often do the players get their cash back when the glitches go that way?
absolutely not.
For the traditional car analogy:
You can innovate your way around a patent on a specific brake design.
There is no way to innovate your way around a box in a flowchart reading [slows car down]
there IS need for specific code because otherwise you don't have a specific invention.
"then some idiot would claim that if they wrote it in C# that their version doesn't infringe on your patent."
And if you specify iron parts then some idiot might build it out of steel and claim that it doesn't infringe on your patent.
Flowcharts in patents rather than code are pure unadulterated bullshit.
so if you do it on a computer and big then it's special?
It wasn't a patent on some kind of new system which allowed stock control and shipping over twenty warehouses in ten states, 27 million cataloged items in books alone, Quarterly sales around $5 billion dollars etc etc etc
they patented the idea of being able to order what you want with a click.
my local bartended knows my usual, I can sit down with some friends, catch his eye and perhaps catch his attention with a click and he'll deliver my order to me a few minutes later.
just doing something on a computer or with more people does not magically make it origional.
and where's the code in those patent applications?
without the code all you have is a general idea, not an innovative invention.
you mean like in almost any retail job?
The cameras point at the staff not the customers.
If you work in a call centre every interaction with customers will be recorded.
police just think they're better than everyone else.
Above being held accountable.
whenever I hear people talk about how these things are fine because it means they can throw in extras charges when they catch someone I just wonder why they don't get it over with and just make some laws like
10 years for wearing shoes in the commission of a crime,
20 years for possession of keys while committing a crime.
life for having eyebrows while committing a felony.
god yes.
When I was a teen I played MMO's as a form of escapism.
Hell, I knew what I was doing.
Life wasn't so bad in real terms but your list of reasons why life isn't fun for teenagers is pretty good.
I'd add in pressure to do well in school and sometimes just an urge to explore and travel which you can't excercise much when you have little money, no job and limited time.
And oddly it really did improve my life.
I didn't drop completely into MMO's like some do since I don't latch on to the social aspect much- which is what really hooks a lot of people.
It gave me an outlet, somewhere to get away and just wander.
I'd spend hours just exploring worlds some dev had thrown together and in the morning I'd be tired but life seemed less grim and oppressive.
and this here is exactly the attitude which drives these inane laws.
"if only we can make is so we don't see it then it isn't happeneing!"
if there is no child porn then there is no child porn.
There is still pleanty of demand and peanty of abuse.
if you restrict the supply to zero you acomplish nothing unless you actually prevent children from being abused.
if you were that child would you want the authorities to spend their time an effort chasing their own tails trying to erase those images or spend that same time and energy trying to save kids from experiencing a similar fate.
if you decrease the supply you drive up the price giving more incentive to hurt kids.
But sure lets go with your plan so we can shut our eyes and pretend all is right with the world and it isn't happening.
keep going with that line of thought.
if you restrict the supply you make it more valuable and drive up the price.
2 copies of the same picture of the same abuse distributed over P2P to two different users yields no revenue while 1 copy SOLD to a pervert who can't find it for free yields pleanty. Therefore there is more incentive to create more pictures, IOW more abuse.
so no.it's your plan which yields more abuse.
Just to throw complexity into the works there's a lot of screwed up laws in various countries that boil down to a number of insane situations like
Being guilty of creating and possessing child pornography if you snap a photo of yourself as a teenager and in many places teenagers can marry each other at 17 and have sex with their husband/wife but god forbid they video-tape the night of the honeymoon for themselves.
I mean seriously.
It creates situations where documenting utterly legal events where nobody is being taken advantage illegal.
2 copies of the same picture of the same abuse does not mean more abuse than 1 copy of the picture of that abuse.
or do we need to spell everything out using small words and simple sentence.
Roaming charges the first line of defence against terrorism!
Not really.
In a world of doormats anyone with half a spine will have a quiet life since once they stand up for themselves a few times it's easier to go after one of the doormats.
And unless many people are bulletproof you only need one person pointing a gun at your target.
20 bullets to the head are only marginally more fatal than 1 or 2.
But I get your idea.
When it comes to group conflicts it gets more gametheory-ish
symbolic security: a sealed and addressed envelope.
so what you're saying is that the scenario I layed out is exactly what happened.
They used a tool that sounds a little similar to Cain but developed internally to grab data.
They then didn't alter it to stop it from recording the contents of the packets as well because it was working fine as it was.
seems pretty straightforward and not particularly sinister.
it doesn't yet the simplest and easiest way I can think of to capture that useful data with a simple laptop would be to set some program like cain listening in promiscuous mode and later match the SSID/timestamps with where I was at the time to build a map of network hotspots.
Such an approach would also probably log the whole packets even if I'm not interested in them in the slightest.
cutting out the contents of the packets out would likely be more complex and would require some dev work.
Also you keep going on and on and on and on and on.... and on and on about this "double standard".
Here's the big secret: There's more than one person on slashdot.
My opinions can differ from the twits complaining about their tweets and facebook profiles being datamined.
You know how I avoid those problems?
I don't use twitter,facebook or open my wifi network.
it's amazingly easy.
I can see a pretty simple use for it.
If I'm traveling with my laptop it would be kinda handy to be able to pinpoint where I am without GPS.
I'm sitting in range of an open wi-fi. I want to know where I am?
hit google and it pinpoints where I am based on the wireless networks around me.
seems like a something useful to be able to do.
I'm fairly sure only civilian law applies to police unless they can be court martialed now.