So now I have to feel sorry for artists who sign crap contracts?
Would YOU sign such a stupid contract? Would I be obligated to feel sorry for you if you did?
I have no sympathy for bands who sign their soul away to be *rich and famous*, and then complain when the devil comes to collect. Haven't any of these people read Faust?
If a single "Warez" FTP or a IRC network got themselves 20 million users, a ton of venture capital, hung out their shingle and announced they were opened for business, you can bet your pimply ass that the RIAA would come after them too.
It's a simple matter of attacking what you can see and serve a supeona on.
Yeah but...If all the current linux developers (and that's the mind share you are talking about) go to Windows and actually *improve* the software, why would you have to remain hung up on linux?
As soon as linux stops being the Best Tool for the Job, it should get kicked to the curb and nary a glance back at its sorry ass.
"...This is the fatal flaw of the moderation system. Incompetent posts are being graded by incompetent moderators. Its like having a special ed class grade their peer's tests..."
I disagree that Wired should not have posted the flamming emails. What should they have done? Written a story that said essentially, "Someone wrote the ISP, they used strong language, take our word for it."..you know what the reaction would have been. "PROVE IT, or YOU LIE!!"
Unfortunately, it's quite obvious you have to shame certain individuals into behaving like responsible netizens. Appealing to their better nature does not work. Fear of embarrassment and ridicule may work.
I general I disagree that email to a company or a person acting in an official position for a company should be considered private. There are plenty of examples were private citizens post correspondence *from* companies. Why should it not work in reverse?
Again, it all goes back to the thought that if you are man/woman enough to post/email/submit material with your name on it, then you must be man/woman enough to stand up to public scrutiny and defend it. If not, post/email anonymously.
"...What is this talk about sueing them? common.. it's ID!..."
I know it wasn't your intent, but the first thing that came to my mind after reading this line was..."What's all this talk about arresting him for sexual harrassment? It's Coach/Reverend/Principal Skinner!"
The notion that "our" media darlings should not be held to the same standards as the standards for those we don't have such high regard for (ie. Microsoft, AOL) is bad. The calls for lawsuits against Real Networks flowed pretty fast here when their undocumented tracking was discovered. It's only natural that the same outrage be directed at one of "our own" if they slip up as well.
I personally don't agree any lawsuits are needed, but for those who do, they would be remiss in letting ID off the hook while at the same time howling for other companies.
Exactly my point! People who believe all people are saying good things cruise at -1. People who just want to filter stuff out due to time, or whatever are cruising at 1 or above. Moderators are doing *nothing* good moderating things down. Moderation should be used solely to moderate up. If you feel the AC's at 0 may have something to say, you are also the type of person cruising at -1 already.
So encourage moderators not to waste points on this. It's not like they're doing God's work here or anything.
A school of thought on this would be that most people cruise slashdot at a -1 threshold or something at or above 1. What good does cruising at 0 give you anyway? If you want to see everything..you choose -1. If you want the filter..go at 1 or above. Since most "First Post" people post as AC, they get an automatic 0 to start out with, the -1'ers are going to see them regardless, and the filter people won't. Calling them Offtopic is just a waste.
Actually, any down moderation is a waste, people who don't want to see the crap are already cruising at +1 or more, thus filtering out all the 0 AC's. Why waste points to moderate them down further? Use the points to make the good posts more visible.
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The North Dakota site is located in Nokoma, which is a bit northwest of Grand Forks. The site was open for exactly 1 day, then shut down due to the treaty. It's command center is a distinctive pyramid shaped building rising up on a notably flat prairie, surrounded by a ghost town, it's inards being basically ruined due to years of flooding and neglect.
"...I have `ln -s hackers programmers` somewhere in my brain, and I just don't expect programmers->hackers to do things that promote concepts of normalcy..."
That's because you have fallen prey to the whole/. mindthink, where there is a Geeks vs World mentality, where geeks are the only caring, sensitive group around, all other groups are bullies and even worse..labeled *gasp* jocks! I for one am sick of the whole concept of geek/hacker hemogeny. As if this group, or any group can be labeled, categorized and pigeonholed, this is true whether we want to ascribe noble attributes or not. It just doesn't work.
Face it programmers/hackers are no more moral/immoral, intelligent/stupid, sensitive/insensitive than any other *group*. They are just as likely to be motivated by greed, malice, stupidity, boredom, or whatever, as any other group would be.
P.S...as I write this I have a java program I am working on in a window in front of me and the Packers vs Chargers football game on the TV, the game is getting *way* more attention..does this blow any more stereotypes for anyone? I hope so.
"...Ding. Can you say "chilling effect"? Suppose you were talking to a friend and you felt like saying something like "Well, just for arguments sake, maybe in some circumstances blowing up a federal building would be justified...."
Given the fact that you just DID say such a thing, where is your chilling effect? Why didn't it stop you? If there is one thing that the Internet demonstrates, it is that there is no such thing as a chilling effect.
"...This people have no lives, and no sense of proportion..."
That's a pretty large blanket statement, one might say the same thing about certain/. posters as well. You seem to be giving them all sorts of devious motives and sinister plans, when in fact, I suspect that the NSA is made up of a bunch of people just doing a job, a serious job no doubt, but just a job nonetheless. These people are your neighbors, you see them in the mall, in the theater. They are not the bogeyman.
Until someone comes up with proof that a)This is indeed happening and b)Someone has wrongly been affected by it and c)a court determines the legality of it, maybe we should turn down the rhetoric a bit. Stop acting like a bunch of cyber-Chicken Littles.
While I agree that the NSA routinely does the "Cannot confirm or deny" tapdance..they do seem to have some semblance of a PR department, at least they have a spokesperson who was directly quoted in the article.
"...''The agency doesn't discuss alleged intelligence operations,'' NSA spokeswoman Judith Emmel said. ''It doesn't confirm or deny any Echelon-type technology.''..."
..."I'm with the above poster. Bill Joy (and Scott his boss) should be subjected to Barney, the Teletubbies, and Cartoon Cartoon until they kowtow to the Great Penguin and agrees to open up Solaris and all the goodies that go with it, particularly Veritas....they're either clueless or outright lying, and I'm not sure which is worse.."
Veritas..ie, Volume Manager, Netbackup, FileSystem, FirstWatch..etc, etc...is a totally separate company. They are not owned or controlled by SUN. SUN merely OEM's most of their line of products.
While you may get SUN to at least talk about Open Source, they have a hardware based revenue stream anyway, getting Veritas, who only produces software, to give out the the secrets to their software cash cow is an entirely different matter.
I agree totally..this is a slap in the face. Why does *anything* that MTv does suprise this crowd? Haven't we all agreed that there is no end to their cluelessness? If so..let's move on! Stop posting these..."Oh look at the clueless journalist/writer/company" stories. These are getting uncomfortably close to.."We're Slashdot..we're l33t!" types of stories. As was pointed out here recently, "Us vs Them" type stories are *not* the way to go.
Pointing out that the emperor has no clothes is not a troll. It's the truth. People keep pointing to the future.."Ohh..it's going to be great when we get app foo." I'll start singing the praises of app foo when I see it, everything else is just vaporware and speculation.
Oh..and btw, pointing out trolls is just as bad as trolling..if you haven't figured it out yet.
Don't look at everything through *Columbine* tinted glasses, no matter how much the media/politicians/Christian Right, wants you to.
You said it yourself, you have no problems with metal detectors. and even though you are right, metal detectors would not have done one iota of good *there*, (neither would have more guards, id badges, transparent bookbags, etc, etc, for that matter), they may have a place to prevent *other* schools from having someone bring a gun into school.
Now, to be totally honest, I don't like metal detectors in school. Do they help? Possibly, but I know the minute I found out that my kid's school was installing them, that would be the same minute I'd start looking into other schooling options. That's just my view point though
My point is , don't paint everything with the Columbine brush and dismiss otherwise worthy debate because, "It wouldn't have prevented Columbine." That's just extremely short-sighted.
When are people going to understand that behind every lawyer, there is some *non*-lawyer asking him to do whatever it is you're complaining about.
Some lawyer sues for $100million in a frivolous case? Well, who's his idiot client asking him to do so in the 1st place? A lawyer is only doing what someone asks him to do.
Are you saying that the police are deterred from coming to arrest you because of your beliefs/color/ethnicity based upon some vague notion that you have teflon coated bullets?
I submit that police are not deterred one bit by the fact that you may or may not have *cop killer* bullets, if they are compelled to come and get you, they will. They will just come with greater numbers and with greater force. Hell, Waco started as a gun bust, the fact that they had guns was the pretense to the whole raid.
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So now I have to feel sorry for artists who sign crap contracts?
Would YOU sign such a stupid contract? Would I be obligated to feel sorry for you if you did?
I have no sympathy for bands who sign their soul away to be *rich and famous*, and then complain when the devil comes to collect. Haven't any of these people read Faust?
That was priceless.
If a single "Warez" FTP or a IRC network got themselves 20 million users, a ton of venture capital, hung out their shingle and announced they were opened for business, you can bet your pimply ass that the RIAA would come after them too.
It's a simple matter of attacking what you can see and serve a supeona on.
So why don't you ask Sierra? Send them an email.
Dear Sierra, my friend and I are sharing a Half-Life CD, but, don't worry, he went and bought Opposing Force too.
Make sure you use your real name too, so they can reward you.
Yeah but...If all the current linux developers (and that's the mind share you are talking about) go to Windows and actually *improve* the software, why would you have to remain hung up on linux?
As soon as linux stops being the Best Tool for the Job, it should get kicked to the curb and nary a glance back at its sorry ass.
That is such classic sig material. Brilliant.
I disagree that Wired should not have posted the flamming emails. What should they have done? Written a story that said essentially, "Someone wrote the ISP, they used strong language, take our word for it."..you know what the reaction would have been. "PROVE IT, or YOU LIE!!"
Unfortunately, it's quite obvious you have to shame certain individuals into behaving like responsible netizens. Appealing to their better nature does not work. Fear of embarrassment and ridicule may work.
I general I disagree that email to a company or a person acting in an official position for a company should be considered private. There are plenty of examples were private citizens post correspondence *from* companies. Why should it not work in reverse?
Again, it all goes back to the thought that if you are man/woman enough to post/email/submit material with your name on it, then you must be man/woman enough to stand up to public scrutiny and defend it. If not, post/email anonymously.
I think I'm going to print this out and frame this obvious work of art. Future generations should be allowed to see this, in all its glory.
Amazing.
"...What is this talk about sueing them? common.. it's ID!..."
I know it wasn't your intent, but the first thing that came to my mind after reading this line was..."What's all this talk about arresting him for sexual harrassment? It's Coach/Reverend/Principal Skinner!"
The notion that "our" media darlings should not be held to the same standards as the standards for those we don't have such high regard for (ie. Microsoft, AOL) is bad. The calls for lawsuits against Real Networks flowed pretty fast here when their undocumented tracking was discovered. It's only natural that the same outrage be directed at one of "our own" if they slip up as well.
I personally don't agree any lawsuits are needed, but for those who do, they would be remiss in letting ID off the hook while at the same time howling for other companies.
Exactly my point! People who believe all people are saying good things cruise at -1. People who just want to filter stuff out due to time, or whatever are cruising at 1 or above. Moderators are doing *nothing* good moderating things down. Moderation should be used solely to moderate up. If you feel the AC's at 0 may have something to say, you are also the type of person cruising at -1 already.
So encourage moderators not to waste points on this. It's not like they're doing God's work here or anything.
A school of thought on this would be that most people cruise slashdot at a -1 threshold or something at or above 1. What good does cruising at 0 give you anyway? If you want to see everything..you choose -1. If you want the filter..go at 1 or above. Since most "First Post" people post as AC, they get an automatic 0 to start out with, the -1'ers are going to see them regardless, and the filter people won't. Calling them Offtopic is just a waste.
Actually, any down moderation is a waste, people who don't want to see the crap are already cruising at +1 or more, thus filtering out all the 0 AC's. Why waste points to moderate them down further? Use the points to make the good posts more visible.
I was thinking more along the lines of 'spaz'...
The North Dakota site is located in Nokoma, which is a bit northwest of Grand Forks. The site was open for exactly 1 day, then shut down due to the treaty. It's command center is a distinctive pyramid shaped building rising up on a notably flat prairie, surrounded by a ghost town, it's inards being basically ruined due to years of flooding and neglect.
That's because you have fallen prey to the whole /. mindthink, where there is a Geeks vs World mentality, where geeks are the only caring, sensitive group around, all other groups are bullies and even worse..labeled *gasp* jocks! I for one am sick of the whole concept of geek/hacker hemogeny. As if this group, or any group can be labeled, categorized and pigeonholed, this is true whether we want to ascribe noble attributes or not. It just doesn't work.
Face it programmers/hackers are no more moral/immoral, intelligent/stupid, sensitive/insensitive than any other *group*. They are just as likely to be motivated by greed, malice, stupidity, boredom, or whatever, as any other group would be.
P.S...as I write this I have a java program I am working on in a window in front of me and the Packers vs Chargers football game on the TV, the game is getting *way* more attention..does this blow any more stereotypes for anyone? I hope so.
Given the fact that you just DID say such a thing, where is your chilling effect? Why didn't it stop you? If there is one thing that the Internet demonstrates, it is that there is no such thing as a chilling effect.
That's a pretty large blanket statement, one might say the same thing about certain /. posters as well. You seem to be giving them all sorts of devious motives and sinister plans, when in fact, I suspect that the NSA is made up of a bunch of people just doing a job, a serious job no doubt, but just a job nonetheless. These people are your neighbors, you see them in the mall, in the theater. They are not the bogeyman.
Until someone comes up with proof that a)This is indeed happening and b)Someone has wrongly been affected by it and c)a court determines the legality of it, maybe we should turn down the rhetoric a bit. Stop acting like a bunch of cyber-Chicken Littles.
While I agree that the NSA routinely does the "Cannot confirm or deny" tapdance..they do seem to have some semblance of a PR department, at least they have a spokesperson who was directly quoted in the article.
You did read the article didn't you?
Veritas..ie, Volume Manager, Netbackup, FileSystem, FirstWatch..etc, etc...is a totally separate company. They are not owned or controlled by SUN. SUN merely OEM's most of their line of products.
While you may get SUN to at least talk about Open Source, they have a hardware based revenue stream anyway, getting Veritas, who only produces software, to give out the the secrets to their software cash cow is an entirely different matter.
I agree totally..this is a slap in the face. Why does *anything* that MTv does suprise this crowd? Haven't we all agreed that there is no end to their cluelessness? If so..let's move on! Stop posting these..."Oh look at the clueless journalist/writer/company" stories. These are getting uncomfortably close to .."We're Slashdot..we're l33t!" types of stories. As was pointed out here recently, "Us vs Them" type stories are *not* the way to go.
Oh..and btw, pointing out trolls is just as bad as trolling..if you haven't figured it out yet.
Agreed..but, using at a point *against* more security is even more illogical.
Don't look at everything through *Columbine* tinted glasses, no matter how much the media/politicians/Christian Right, wants you to.
You said it yourself, you have no problems with metal detectors. and even though you are right, metal detectors would not have done one iota of good *there*, (neither would have more guards, id badges, transparent bookbags, etc, etc, for that matter), they may have a place to prevent *other* schools from having someone bring a gun into school.
Now, to be totally honest, I don't like metal detectors in school. Do they help? Possibly, but I know the minute I found out that my kid's school was installing them, that would be the same minute I'd start looking into other schooling options. That's just my view point though
My point is , don't paint everything with the Columbine brush and dismiss otherwise worthy debate because, "It wouldn't have prevented Columbine." That's just extremely short-sighted.
When are people going to understand that behind every lawyer, there is some *non*-lawyer asking him to do whatever it is you're complaining about.
Some lawyer sues for $100million in a frivolous case? Well, who's his idiot client asking him to do so in the 1st place? A lawyer is only doing what someone asks him to do.
Yeah...like the great Corvette Summer! Wonderful movie, better than Cats.
~spectra72
Are you saying that the police are deterred from coming to arrest you because of your beliefs/color/ethnicity based upon some vague notion that you have teflon coated bullets?
I submit that police are not deterred one bit by the fact that you may or may not have *cop killer* bullets, if they are compelled to come and get you, they will. They will just come with greater numbers and with greater force. Hell, Waco started as a gun bust, the fact that they had guns was the pretense to the whole raid.
strictly speaking..wouldn't *not* letting school districts post the 10 Commandments, if they so choosed, be a violation of *their* freedom of speach?
Of course, there is still the matter of the Separation of Church and State...but that's another debate.