I mean, if they can't get the thing to 5+ gigahertz speeds, will it be very effective at all in the consumer marketplace?
What planet do you live on? Because on mine, most people are getting by quite nicely with 200 to 500 MHz processors. Some get by with a lot less.
I HOPE that the P-4 wasn't designed with 5GHz speeds in mind, solely because it'd (probably) have to be so optimized for those speeds that such meager speeds as 1.5 GHz would suffer as a result.
Yeah, Moore's law exists. But that shouldn't make us suppose that a chip that might not reach 5 GHz comfortably is dead in the water.
And even so, since it's not mandatory to register your software, there's no way for them to know where to start. Microsoft, Adobe, et al can't just issue a list of US addresses who haven't registered any software and send the vans out, because even if that software is there, it could very well be licensed.
I think that we're safe, regardless. I probably have a piece of unlicensed software somewhere around here, but what's the incentive for the BSA to come after me, when they could just as easily go after some fortune 100 company that might happen to have 10,000's of unlicensed copies of MS office floating around on company notebooks.
If seeing their source code is what'll make or break your decision about licensing and using their software, you should probably look for alternatives.
.org has nothing to do with the internationalness of a website. If you think it does, you can just go to www.slashdot.com and sit back.
Face it, todays only one days worth of tech news. Slashdots been pretty good about avoiding the campaigns thus far, so it seems fine to me that they're covering the results, just because even if you don't live here, the results will affect you, me, the tech industry, and pretty much the world to some extent or another...
Ditto that. I consciously chose not to vote, only to register at the last minute after seeing Jello Biafra speak about how a vote for Nader could only serve to strengthen another viable party. And more choices are good choices, right?
So, Nader didn't take my vote from gore, he just took a vote that didn't exist in the first place.
Semi-Offtopic: XMMS seems to be a renegade, in that whenever it's launched, the interface follows me from desktop to desktop. Have an insights about that, or why a netzero client, if it ever existed, wouldn't do that as well?
(I'm actually just scooping for an answer to my question, but it seemed a bit appropriate:)
Remember back then , they were shipping Netscape on their desktop! Then Microsoft told them to bend over and put IE, they did.
Um. So did the rest of the computer industry. Compaq was far from a loner in that aspect.
If Intel whent over to them and told them to bend over and use their PIII chips, you can bet they are bending pretty sweetly right now.
As someone already stated, Compaq is already heavily committed to the Athlon, the Pentium family's main/only competition. They own and produce the Alpha, Merced and McKinnely's future competition. I'd figure that Compaq has done enough damage to intel and vice versa, that Intel can't possibly hold anything over their head when it comes to Compaq adopting new chips.
Now, if it was Dell that one week announced Crusoe laptops and the next week cancelled the plan and simultaneously introduced $100 price cuts across their product line, then i'd think that intel got to them.
Look at the facts. Compaq uses AMD K6 and Athlons. They produce and own Alphas. The "threat" of crusoe doesn't nearly stack up to the threat that compaq already presents to intel.
Maybe it's something to do with the Crusoe, ever consider that?
You think AOL wants to continue being beholden to MS? Maybe you'll work for yourself instead of other people someday.
No, they probably don't like MS that much, but they'll surely miss having their icon in the Online Services folder, once they switch... But then, maybe 20-30 million subscribers is enough to call it quits on that.
Reembmer, just a couple of weeks ago when there was a story posted informing us slashdot was hacked and we all needed to come p with new passwords?
Besides that, the highest profile linux sites aren't anywhere near as popular or hated as microsofts sites. IF linux made more enemies, i'm sure we'd see more concerted eforts to break it. Of course we'd get patches within hours days or weeks of each exploit. But the point is, because microsoft is almost so universally disliked by hackers, they go out of their way breaking microsofts products, rather than expend that same effort on free software.
The word "hacker" is so misused, overused, and abused, that it's really not that useful anymore. Why not attempt to come up with a few new words so as to avoid the hacker/cracker confusion all together. Besides which, stating that oneself is a "hacker" these days seems like one's aspiring for coolness points that no longer exist.
Considering a low end iMac runs $799, i'm betting an imac sans monitor, possibly sans cd rom, and definetly without keyboard, mouse, and transparent plastics would definetly come into the $500 range...
Apple's making a bundle on iMacs. Their margins are way up. Whether they would want to lower their margins and hope for higher sales to make up the differnce is a completely different story, since the outcome would be especially far from concrete.
Tell me, how the hell were my two comments "over rated?" All i was doing was actuall responding to an inquiry, not bashing Apple's product line up... And this article is about Apple afterall...
t's a dangerous strategy if OS X takes off, since now there is a UNIX-like OS with rate desktop / GUI development environment.
I'm not meaning to flame apple here, being that i'm a pretty big fan of theirs, but people have to stop considering Apple as competition for Microsoft. They're just not. Microsofts software runs on commodity platforms, available from multiple suppliers. Apple's doesn't. End of story. No company in the world will switch exclusively to OS X, just because there's a little Unix underneath it all... Unless they already run on Macs, which means that they're in publishing or advertising... Retraining costs, new desktops, new software licenses, they all hold the Macintosh out from being "competition" with Microsoft in the same manner as Linux potentially could be.
As for Microsoft's.NET stragey. Let's believe it when we see it. Microsoft has said all sorts of things through the years that haven't come true. Who's to say.NET will be any different?
Also, bear in mind they look at units sold; NT server farms mean that NT is overrepresented compared to a metric based on users served.
But unix admins make a LOT more money than NT admins. So in the end, less unix boxes might cost a company more than a few more NT boxes. Of course, that's all pure speculation, but still...
Most likely a lot of developments that they hadn't forseen, like the widespread adoption and corporatye buddying with linux. Last year, Sun was saying that linux was aweful and going no where. This year they say that a linux sale is a unix sale and because a unix sale isn't a windows sale, a linux sale is good for them. IBM last year was very contemplative of Linux. This year it's going out of it's way to support them. And last year, Microsoft wasn't an official monopoly, so many company's were afraid to step forward and attempt to support linux.
I don't think it's any new software that changed Gartners view of linux. Not kernel 2.4.pre4, XFree 4.0, Apache 2.0, Perl 6, KDE 2, Gnome, et al. It's just that last year, everyone was very skeptical of linux, and very wary of microsoft. This year, people are interested in linux and less afraid of microsoft, so they're willing to experiment a bit more than they would have a couple years back.
That doesn't really matter... Once we (IF we ever) move to IPv6, we'll have too many IP addresses to even imagine figuring out what to do with them. Too bad installed base is such an enormous obstacle to overcome... We'll be stuck with ipv4 forever, in most likelyhood.
I'd think that the only reason that source code is exportable is because it's been argued that it's "art" rather than a product. Which basically means that all the employees of the big software houses (besides the few open source, free software ones) work on the same terms, as they toil away at desks creating "art" for their companies to sell...
How come there has become no Napster for software? Why is everyone so quick to jump in and "defend" the artists by guarenteeing that there may no longer be a means by which they can receive any compensation?
Let the musicians stick up for the musicians. They know a whole lot more about the world they live in than you do. Let the techies worry about the techies. There are plenty of things you can fight for which are more up your alley, rather than having to "crusade" for others...
Oh yeah. You just want free music... And will go to any length to justify your taking and taking and taking...
Yeah, listen to all those guys laugh that just preordered their PS2's months ago. Listen to the ones laugh who are paying upwards of $1000 to buy something that sells for $200 (i might be wrong, i've not looked into it actually) retail.
$150 for a new video card has got to be cheaper than $1000 for a $200 system.
They're all dead. Compaq and Microsoft jointly pulled the plug on win2000 development for the Alpha either earliedr this year or maybe last year, i forget when.
My NT Workstation CD does appear to have binaries for PPC, MIPS, Alpha, and x86. And NT wasn't ever promised for Apple hardware, it shipped for PReP machines, which was the long ago hope for a "standard" powerPC platform.
With my Athlon system, Redhat 5.2 installed perfectly. Redhat 6.2 failed myserably (same kernel panic after disabling the CPUID), Redhat 7.0 installed just fine. Past that, windows 98 installed fine, as did NT 4.0. But wouldn't you know it, NT 4.0 won't boot, citing the same CPUID but in different terms...
Yeah, whatever happened to companies actually trying to cut costs so as to make money on their sales, rather than growing their expenses and hoping that their revenues will grow more quickly than said expenses.
For a long time i was rather depressed to have sat out the whole dotcom IPO shebang from the sidelines of more established advertising and publishing firms. But in the end, i think i learned a lot more about business fundamentals at those places than i ever would have at a cash bleeding dotcom.
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I mean, if they can't get the thing to 5+ gigahertz speeds, will it be very effective at all in the consumer marketplace?
What planet do you live on? Because on mine, most people are getting by quite nicely with 200 to 500 MHz processors. Some get by with a lot less.
I HOPE that the P-4 wasn't designed with 5GHz speeds in mind, solely because it'd (probably) have to be so optimized for those speeds that such meager speeds as 1.5 GHz would suffer as a result.
Yeah, Moore's law exists. But that shouldn't make us suppose that a chip that might not reach 5 GHz comfortably is dead in the water.
And even so, since it's not mandatory to register your software, there's no way for them to know where to start. Microsoft, Adobe, et al can't just issue a list of US addresses who haven't registered any software and send the vans out, because even if that software is there, it could very well be licensed.
I think that we're safe, regardless. I probably have a piece of unlicensed software somewhere around here, but what's the incentive for the BSA to come after me, when they could just as easily go after some fortune 100 company that might happen to have 10,000's of unlicensed copies of MS office floating around on company notebooks.
If seeing their source code is what'll make or break your decision about licensing and using their software, you should probably look for alternatives.
.org has nothing to do with the internationalness of a website. If you think it does, you can just go to www.slashdot.com and sit back.
Face it, todays only one days worth of tech news. Slashdots been pretty good about avoiding the campaigns thus far, so it seems fine to me that they're covering the results, just because even if you don't live here, the results will affect you, me, the tech industry, and pretty much the world to some extent or another...
Ditto that. I consciously chose not to vote, only to register at the last minute after seeing Jello Biafra speak about how a vote for Nader could only serve to strengthen another viable party. And more choices are good choices, right?
So, Nader didn't take my vote from gore, he just took a vote that didn't exist in the first place.
Semi-Offtopic: XMMS seems to be a renegade, in that whenever it's launched, the interface follows me from desktop to desktop. Have an insights about that, or why a netzero client, if it ever existed, wouldn't do that as well?
:)
(I'm actually just scooping for an answer to my question, but it seemed a bit appropriate
Remember back then , they were shipping Netscape on their desktop! Then Microsoft told them to bend over and put IE, they did.
Um. So did the rest of the computer industry. Compaq was far from a loner in that aspect.
If Intel whent over to them and told them to bend over and use their PIII chips, you can bet they are bending pretty sweetly right now.
As someone already stated, Compaq is already heavily committed to the Athlon, the Pentium family's main/only competition. They own and produce the Alpha, Merced and McKinnely's future competition. I'd figure that Compaq has done enough damage to intel and vice versa, that Intel can't possibly hold anything over their head when it comes to Compaq adopting new chips.
Now, if it was Dell that one week announced Crusoe laptops and the next week cancelled the plan and simultaneously introduced $100 price cuts across their product line, then i'd think that intel got to them.
Look at the facts. Compaq uses AMD K6 and Athlons. They produce and own Alphas. The "threat" of crusoe doesn't nearly stack up to the threat that compaq already presents to intel.
Maybe it's something to do with the Crusoe, ever consider that?
You think AOL wants to continue being beholden to MS? Maybe you'll work for yourself instead of other people someday.
No, they probably don't like MS that much, but they'll surely miss having their icon in the Online Services folder, once they switch... But then, maybe 20-30 million subscribers is enough to call it quits on that.
How about "Red Hat"?
Hey, it's America, where people are innocent til proven guilty (for the most part...)
Reembmer, just a couple of weeks ago when there was a story posted informing us slashdot was hacked and we all needed to come p with new passwords?
Besides that, the highest profile linux sites aren't anywhere near as popular or hated as microsofts sites. IF linux made more enemies, i'm sure we'd see more concerted eforts to break it. Of course we'd get patches within hours days or weeks of each exploit. But the point is, because microsoft is almost so universally disliked by hackers, they go out of their way breaking microsofts products, rather than expend that same effort on free software.
The word "hacker" is so misused, overused, and abused, that it's really not that useful anymore. Why not attempt to come up with a few new words so as to avoid the hacker/cracker confusion all together. Besides which, stating that oneself is a "hacker" these days seems like one's aspiring for coolness points that no longer exist.
Considering a low end iMac runs $799, i'm betting an imac sans monitor, possibly sans cd rom, and definetly without keyboard, mouse, and transparent plastics would definetly come into the $500 range...
Apple's making a bundle on iMacs. Their margins are way up. Whether they would want to lower their margins and hope for higher sales to make up the differnce is a completely different story, since the outcome would be especially far from concrete.
Tell me, how the hell were my two comments "over rated?" All i was doing was actuall responding to an inquiry, not bashing Apple's product line up... And this article is about Apple afterall...
t's a dangerous strategy if OS X takes off, since now there is a UNIX-like OS with rate desktop / GUI development environment.
.NET stragey. Let's believe it when we see it. Microsoft has said all sorts of things through the years that haven't come true. Who's to say .NET will be any different?
I'm not meaning to flame apple here, being that i'm a pretty big fan of theirs, but people have to stop considering Apple as competition for Microsoft. They're just not. Microsofts software runs on commodity platforms, available from multiple suppliers. Apple's doesn't. End of story. No company in the world will switch exclusively to OS X, just because there's a little Unix underneath it all... Unless they already run on Macs, which means that they're in publishing or advertising... Retraining costs, new desktops, new software licenses, they all hold the Macintosh out from being "competition" with Microsoft in the same manner as Linux potentially could be.
As for Microsoft's
Also, bear in mind they look at units sold; NT server farms mean that NT is overrepresented compared to a metric based on users served.
But unix admins make a LOT more money than NT admins. So in the end, less unix boxes might cost a company more than a few more NT boxes. Of course, that's all pure speculation, but still...
The author of this report seems to assume that eventually the market will be divided between 2 or 3 dominating OS's, but that doesn't seem plausible.
Prior to this year, the computer landscape looked like:
Microsoft 94%
Apple 4%
Everyone else 2%
so a shift to
Microsoft 60%
Linux/Unix 35%
Apple/everyone else 5%
is a very radical shift.
OF course the world will never fully exist of two OSes and only two OSes. It's just the most popular and visible OS's will change in the coming years.
Most likely a lot of developments that they hadn't forseen, like the widespread adoption and corporatye buddying with linux. Last year, Sun was saying that linux was aweful and going no where. This year they say that a linux sale is a unix sale and because a unix sale isn't a windows sale, a linux sale is good for them. IBM last year was very contemplative of Linux. This year it's going out of it's way to support them. And last year, Microsoft wasn't an official monopoly, so many company's were afraid to step forward and attempt to support linux.
I don't think it's any new software that changed Gartners view of linux. Not kernel 2.4.pre4, XFree 4.0, Apache 2.0, Perl 6, KDE 2, Gnome, et al. It's just that last year, everyone was very skeptical of linux, and very wary of microsoft. This year, people are interested in linux and less afraid of microsoft, so they're willing to experiment a bit more than they would have a couple years back.
My, what a difference a year makes!
That doesn't really matter... Once we (IF we ever) move to IPv6, we'll have too many IP addresses to even imagine figuring out what to do with them. Too bad installed base is such an enormous obstacle to overcome... We'll be stuck with ipv4 forever, in most likelyhood.
I'd think that the only reason that source code is exportable is because it's been argued that it's "art" rather than a product. Which basically means that all the employees of the big software houses (besides the few open source, free software ones) work on the same terms, as they toil away at desks creating "art" for their companies to sell...
How come there has become no Napster for software? Why is everyone so quick to jump in and "defend" the artists by guarenteeing that there may no longer be a means by which they can receive any compensation?
Let the musicians stick up for the musicians. They know a whole lot more about the world they live in than you do. Let the techies worry about the techies. There are plenty of things you can fight for which are more up your alley, rather than having to "crusade" for others...
Oh yeah. You just want free music... And will go to any length to justify your taking and taking and taking...
Did anyone here really believe that napster was in it for the consumer and would never impose a means of revenue upon them?
I mean, they've only been talking about "eventrually" makign money for a long time now...
Membership dues are a lot more concrete than banner advertisments, in terms of revenuie.
Yeah, listen to all those guys laugh that just preordered their PS2's months ago. Listen to the ones laugh who are paying upwards of $1000 to buy something that sells for $200 (i might be wrong, i've not looked into it actually) retail.
$150 for a new video card has got to be cheaper than $1000 for a $200 system.
They're all dead. Compaq and Microsoft jointly pulled the plug on win2000 development for the Alpha either earliedr this year or maybe last year, i forget when.
My NT Workstation CD does appear to have binaries for PPC, MIPS, Alpha, and x86. And NT wasn't ever promised for Apple hardware, it shipped for PReP machines, which was the long ago hope for a "standard" powerPC platform.
With my Athlon system, Redhat 5.2 installed perfectly. Redhat 6.2 failed myserably (same kernel panic after disabling the CPUID), Redhat 7.0 installed just fine. Past that, windows 98 installed fine, as did NT 4.0. But wouldn't you know it, NT 4.0 won't boot, citing the same CPUID but in different terms...
Yeah, whatever happened to companies actually trying to cut costs so as to make money on their sales, rather than growing their expenses and hoping that their revenues will grow more quickly than said expenses.
For a long time i was rather depressed to have sat out the whole dotcom IPO shebang from the sidelines of more established advertising and publishing firms. But in the end, i think i learned a lot more about business fundamentals at those places than i ever would have at a cash bleeding dotcom.