I am a long time Pine user, and I used to like Pine. Sometimes, I tried switching to Mutt, but it just didn't cut it for me.
Now, I exclusively use Evolution. Why, you may ask? Because with Evolution, if you want to save a message to a different mailbox, you drag'n'drop. With Pine you have to hit "S <ENTER>". Imagine that for 200 messages.
The reason is, I usually keep my mail very organized, in folders and subfolders, organization, name, if it's a record company, festival, whatever. In Pine, it it REALLY, REALLY hard to move a lots of messages from one folder to one other folder. Basically, you have to sit there and hit "S <ENTER>" 200 times.
In Evolution, I just mark them, drag them, and drop them. Wonderful!
Plus, I get all the goodies with keyboard shortcuts whenever I need them.
I use Evolution and have been using it fo and fro for some time now (it stopped working for a while in Debian sid), and I really like it.
But please tell me, how did you get the LDAP connection up'n'running?
I am a DJ and run a few clubs of my own.
Lately, people request more and more songs each day, and sometimes I want to ask them if they would like it better to have a jukebox standing in a corner so they canjust choose their favorites all night long.
I'm not particularly fond of the idea of a DJ as a "teacher" or style nazi either, but some guests are so stupid and persistent so you just want to punch them in the face.
After some thought though, if you pick a good playlist maybe this would work, but I have serious problems with the idea of replacing club/radio DJs with computers and playlists.
Now I don't remember what it was that I wanted to say with this rant... =)
Well, we have a 100 Mbps line here at work. Each and every day I update/upgrade my Debian Sid distribution and I almost always get ~2 MB/s. Yup, that's megabytes.
I used to have cable at home and that wasn't all that good. Max bandwidth was 640 kbps and I usually got a lot lower rates. Now I've switched to DSL, max 2,5 Mbps in and ~750 kbps out, and I usually max it. And it costs the same as the cable service did, about 250 SEK/month, which is 25 USD.
With this DSL company it's also possible to double the bandwidth for twice the price, but I don't feel like that right now.
You don't need two floppies to do a network install.
One is almost always fine if you have fairly standard hardware and chooses the compact disc, which is only one disc and contains many many nic-drivers.
That said, people who expect a cutting edge dist for desktop use should not run Debian Potato. They shoud run Woody, which poses few problems, or Sid, which probably is the most cutting edge dist out there - I run it and only once have I ran into serious problems; actually only half-serious, it took a couple of hours to fix the problem and I didn't loose data or anything like that.
Debian rocks. That's all there is to it.
Hrrmm. Well, I don't "think that there are only three or four languages in the world". In fact, I'm happy to code Python, Lisp (Scheme), Java, C, Perl and some other languages as well (hell, I even tested Prolog back when I was 12-13).
That was not the issue. I can't get things done fast in Python, Scheme or Java either, but I do get things done fast in Perl. Just Do It.
What's wrong with you people?
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I know I'm going to be modded to hell for this, but here goes:
What's wrong with the people posting to/. in this day and age? It wasn't that long ago that it actually was worthwhile to read people's comments here, but nowadays I mostly see my "threshold" going up, up, and not wanting to stop. I saw this article and thought "Wow! A nice, positive article about Perl 6 on my fave site/. which uses Perl", you know. And then I read all these pointless, silly and sometimes even mean comments about how baaaaaad Perl 6 is, and how everything Larry has done is wrong and screw Perl 'cause it's a sucky language, I use {Java|Python|New mega-exciting superlanguage} instead.
So do that.
Personally, I think Perl is the "Nike-language": Just Do It. When I want to code in C or C++ (I like C, I'm not too happy about C++) I always have to do all these things first. Look at man pages all the time, worry about casts and memory allocation and what not. When I do something in Perl I just do it. I find the modules, write some code, and it works.
And that's worth a lot.
"Fixed wireless never really found a home at AT&T, however. [...] it was lumped in with AT&T Wireless,
a company that's had problems of its own since going public."
Seems like The Mgmt screwed up here. Someone couldn't decide what to do with it...
":management:/n./ 1. Corporate power elites
distinguished primarily by their distance from
actual productive work and their chronic failure
to manage (see also {suit}). Spoken derisively,
as in '*Management* decided that...'."
Here in Sweden, we had a similar case when H&M, the international clothing company, launched it's label LOGG a couple of years ago.
The Logg family sued, and won. H&M had to change the name of the label to "L.O.G.G. (Label Of Graded Goods)".
So really, this is no joke - it's serious (no pun intended).
According to The Register's article on the subject, the warning ("this release does not include anything of use to end users") "makes it consistent with all the previous versions of GNOME Desktop we've used."
I don't know what's wrong with the writer's (a mr Andrew Orlowski) brain, but the article is full to the brim with stupid and mean comments in the same league:
"working with GNOME software has always been fun, if ultimately fruitless"
"[Gnome's] great gift to the world has been to spur development of the older, more established rival KDE"
"A visiting Martian would surely conclude that the GNOME Project has served its purpose"
"[KDE is] probably two years ahead now"
Makes me wonder what he's trying to accomplish. What's the purpose for a big, widely recognized site such as The Register to sell ad space with mean, stupid and uninformed statements such as these?
Well, actually I just answered the previous poster's question - he wanted to know if there are any secure Linux distros. I gave him links to the ones that I knew of.
So, no, I didn't confuse different usages of security.
>That's like filing a lawsuit against firearm manufacturers for all of the gun-related deaths. Or Phil Zimmerman for terrorists using PGP.
>Or Wilbur & Orville Wright for inventing airplanes that terrorists use to kill people.
Umm... No. The Wright brothers didn't invent airplanes to make it easier for terrorists to kill people.
FastTrack invented this protocol to make it easier for people to share (mostly) copyrighted material.
The firearm example is more to the point, but then again, I think firearm manufacturers probably should pay society to cover for the lost lives.
Umm, no, these programs are not "wrapped up Gnutella clients".
They use the proprietary FastTrack technology, which I think is developed in Sweden.
There is an open source client called giFT available at gift.sourceforge.net, they have successfully reverse engineered the protocol.
Regarding the questions about DMCA and the encrypted FastTrack protocol, I guess RIAA/MPAA can just look at the source for giFT, no?
It will be fun hear about the much talked about interface speed-ups. Someone who has seen it in action and can confirm?
When I tried it, it was slower that X & Gnome...
Jesus!
You can't cut Bombadil. Bombadil is not unimportant. This almost made me weep, Tom Bombadil is my absolute favorite character in all of Tolkien's book, including Silmarillion and the Book of Lost Tales series.
Bombadil's elvish name, Iarwain Ben-Adar, translates roughly to the oldest without father, because he was in Middle Earth before the elves came the first time. Some even think Bombadil is one of the Maiar or even the Valar.
Personally, I think he might be a Vala, because the other mighty Maiar in Middle Earth were affected by the ring, while Bombadil was not.
Whatever he is, though, things such as Bombadil are in my opinion what makes Tolkien's stories as great as they are. If it wasn't for these "meaningless" passages, The Trilogy could have been any fantasy book out there. It is all the strange, elaborate stuff surrounding the main story that makes Tolkien's universe as magic as it is.
The pioneer when it comes to small, unintelligent, autonomous bots without a microprocessor must be Mark Tilden.
His creations are so cool, with the Spyder as the crown jewel. He has also applied for a few patents when it comes to his neuro-net technology, with components called BiCore and MultiCore, among others.
Firstly, I would like to state that I think it's great to see this kind of articles in the mainstream press, as it shows people that there are alternatives, and the only thing they hear about open source and free software is the FUD that MS is spreading.
That said, I come to the bad side. I'm pretty tired of reading all of this mumbo-jumbo about open source as business, or as a threat to business, or whatever. I can understand why journalists like to write about it, and I think that parts of the open source community is responsible for this too.
But still - face it: Open source and free software is hobbyists writing code for their own well-being, because they (we) think it's fun, and/or because we need the software, and feels good about letting other people use and change said software too.
By doing this, you have no strings attached. All the companies in the world - and the journalists - can say and write whatever they want, but the fact is that nobody has to care.
Stop talking business all the time. The programmers don't care about business. We care about code.
Where I work (A Brand New World in Sweden) we developed such an application last year, using Palm + Bluetooth + VNC.
If you want to see one of our newer products, check out the Gizmo [abrandnewworld.se]! It's a clip-on for the Compaq iPaq, enabling 802.11b, GSM and GPRS.
You can use JavaScript to change the homepage in IE (I'm pretty sure, at least) so probably they use that. Or they conceal the prompt ("Do you wanna SEE NAKED YOUNG CHICKS bla bla bla set this page as your homepage?").
That was real funny.
But seriously, I think PostScript gives me the same feeling, actually even stronger 'cause it's got this academic feel all over it.
Kind of like when I begun high-school and the math/physics teachers had created their own books, using Tex. Boy, were we impressed!
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I am a long time Pine user, and I used to like Pine. Sometimes, I tried switching to Mutt, but it just didn't cut it for me.
Now, I exclusively use Evolution. Why, you may ask? Because with Evolution, if you want to save a message to a different mailbox, you drag'n'drop. With Pine you have to hit "S <ENTER>". Imagine that for 200 messages.
The reason is, I usually keep my mail very organized, in folders and subfolders, organization, name, if it's a record company, festival, whatever. In Pine, it it REALLY, REALLY hard to move a lots of messages from one folder to one other folder. Basically, you have to sit there and hit "S <ENTER>" 200 times.
In Evolution, I just mark them, drag them, and drop them. Wonderful!
Plus, I get all the goodies with keyboard shortcuts whenever I need them.
I use Evolution and have been using it fo and fro for some time now (it stopped working for a while in Debian sid), and I really like it.
But please tell me, how did you get the LDAP connection up'n'running?
I am a DJ and run a few clubs of my own.
Lately, people request more and more songs each day, and sometimes I want to ask them if they would like it better to have a jukebox standing in a corner so they canjust choose their favorites all night long.
I'm not particularly fond of the idea of a DJ as a "teacher" or style nazi either, but some guests are so stupid and persistent so you just want to punch them in the face.
After some thought though, if you pick a good playlist maybe this would work, but I have serious problems with the idea of replacing club/radio DJs with computers and playlists.
Now I don't remember what it was that I wanted to say with this rant... =)
Well, we have a 100 Mbps line here at work. Each and every day I update/upgrade my Debian Sid distribution and I almost always get ~2 MB/s. Yup, that's megabytes.
I used to have cable at home and that wasn't all that good. Max bandwidth was 640 kbps and I usually got a lot lower rates. Now I've switched to DSL, max 2,5 Mbps in and ~750 kbps out, and I usually max it. And it costs the same as the cable service did, about 250 SEK/month, which is 25 USD.
With this DSL company it's also possible to double the bandwidth for twice the price, but I don't feel like that right now.
You don't need two floppies to do a network install.
One is almost always fine if you have fairly standard hardware and chooses the compact disc, which is only one disc and contains many many nic-drivers.
That said, people who expect a cutting edge dist for desktop use should not run Debian Potato. They shoud run Woody, which poses few problems, or Sid, which probably is the most cutting edge dist out there - I run it and only once have I ran into serious problems; actually only half-serious, it took a couple of hours to fix the problem and I didn't loose data or anything like that.
Debian rocks. That's all there is to it.
Hrrmm. Well, I don't "think that there are only three or four languages in the world". In fact, I'm happy to code Python, Lisp (Scheme), Java, C, Perl and some other languages as well (hell, I even tested Prolog back when I was 12-13).
That was not the issue. I can't get things done fast in Python, Scheme or Java either, but I do get things done fast in Perl. Just Do It.
I know I'm going to be modded to hell for this, but here goes: /. in this day and age? It wasn't that long ago that it actually was worthwhile to read people's comments here, but nowadays I mostly see my "threshold" going up, up, and not wanting to stop. I saw this article and thought "Wow! A nice, positive article about Perl 6 on my fave site /. which uses Perl", you know. And then I read all these pointless, silly and sometimes even mean comments about how baaaaaad Perl 6 is, and how everything Larry has done is wrong and screw Perl 'cause it's a sucky language, I use {Java|Python|New mega-exciting superlanguage} instead.
What's wrong with the people posting to
So do that.
Personally, I think Perl is the "Nike-language": Just Do It. When I want to code in C or C++ (I like C, I'm not too happy about C++) I always have to do all these things first. Look at man pages all the time, worry about casts and memory allocation and what not. When I do something in Perl I just do it. I find the modules, write some code, and it works.
And that's worth a lot.
"Fixed wireless never really found a home at AT&T, however. [...] it was lumped in with AT&T Wireless,
/n./ 1. Corporate power elites
...'."
a company that's had problems of its own since going public."
Seems like The Mgmt screwed up here. Someone couldn't decide what to do with it...
":management:
distinguished primarily by their distance from
actual productive work and their chronic failure
to manage (see also {suit}). Spoken derisively,
as in '*Management* decided that
--
Frist post brought to you by The Management!
Here in Sweden, we had a similar case when H&M, the international clothing company, launched it's label LOGG a couple of years ago.
The Logg family sued, and won. H&M had to change the name of the label to "L.O.G.G. (Label Of Graded Goods)".
So really, this is no joke - it's serious (no pun intended).
According to The Register's article on the subject, the warning ("this release does not include anything of use to end users") "makes it consistent with all the previous versions of GNOME Desktop we've used."
I don't know what's wrong with the writer's (a mr Andrew Orlowski) brain, but the article is full to the brim with stupid and mean comments in the same league:
"working with GNOME software has always been fun, if ultimately fruitless"
"[Gnome's] great gift to the world has been to spur development of the older, more established rival KDE"
"A visiting Martian would surely conclude that the GNOME Project has served its purpose"
"[KDE is] probably two years ahead now"
Makes me wonder what he's trying to accomplish. What's the purpose for a big, widely recognized site such as The Register to sell ad space with mean, stupid and uninformed statements such as these?
Well, actually I just answered the previous poster's question - he wanted to know if there are any secure Linux distros. I gave him links to the ones that I knew of.
So, no, I didn't confuse different usages of security.
>That's like filing a lawsuit against firearm manufacturers for all of the gun-related deaths. Or Phil Zimmerman for terrorists using PGP.
>Or Wilbur & Orville Wright for inventing airplanes that terrorists use to kill people.
Umm... No. The Wright brothers didn't invent airplanes to make it easier for terrorists to kill people.
FastTrack invented this protocol to make it easier for people to share (mostly) copyrighted material.
The firearm example is more to the point, but then again, I think firearm manufacturers probably should pay society to cover for the lost lives.
Umm, no, these programs are not "wrapped up Gnutella clients".
They use the proprietary FastTrack technology, which I think is developed in Sweden.
There is an open source client called giFT available at gift.sourceforge.net, they have successfully reverse engineered the protocol.
Regarding the questions about DMCA and the encrypted FastTrack protocol, I guess RIAA/MPAA can just look at the source for giFT, no?
ZDNet story
CNet story
Interesting story at BBC News
These are the ones I know about:
Trustix Secure Linux
Engarde Linux
Immunix (seem to ship a secured Red Hat)
Kaladix Linux
Can't say if they are any good, I'm afraid. I'm too happy running Debian!
-- shaka
Check out The Gismo, an addon for the iPaq which provides you with GSM, GPRS and WLAN (802.11b).
Oh, and did I mention it's developed by my company?
It will be fun hear about the much talked about interface speed-ups. Someone who has seen it in action and can confirm?
When I tried it, it was slower that X & Gnome...
Jesus!
You can't cut Bombadil. Bombadil is not unimportant. This almost made me weep, Tom Bombadil is my absolute favorite character in all of Tolkien's book, including Silmarillion and the Book of Lost Tales series.
Bombadil's elvish name, Iarwain Ben-Adar, translates roughly to the oldest without father, because he was in Middle Earth before the elves came the first time. Some even think Bombadil is one of the Maiar or even the Valar.
Personally, I think he might be a Vala, because the other mighty Maiar in Middle Earth were affected by the ring, while Bombadil was not.
Whatever he is, though, things such as Bombadil are in my opinion what makes Tolkien's stories as great as they are. If it wasn't for these "meaningless" passages, The Trilogy could have been any fantasy book out there. It is all the strange, elaborate stuff surrounding the main story that makes Tolkien's universe as magic as it is.
"Microsoft will never fix the problem without making sure people have to pay a monthly subscription"
Taco, I really, really think you know that Microsoft posted a patch months before this hole was exploited.
The pioneer when it comes to small, unintelligent, autonomous bots without a microprocessor must be Mark Tilden.
His creations are so cool, with the Spyder as the crown jewel. He has also applied for a few patents when it comes to his neuro-net technology, with components called BiCore and MultiCore, among others.
See www.solarbotics.com for information, pictures and more!
Firstly, I would like to state that I think it's great to see this kind of articles in the mainstream press, as it shows people that there are alternatives, and the only thing they hear about open source and free software is the FUD that MS is spreading.
That said, I come to the bad side. I'm pretty tired of reading all of this mumbo-jumbo about open source as business, or as a threat to business, or whatever. I can understand why journalists like to write about it, and I think that parts of the open source community is responsible for this too.
But still - face it: Open source and free software is hobbyists writing code for their own well-being, because they (we) think it's fun, and/or because we need the software, and feels good about letting other people use and change said software too.
By doing this, you have no strings attached. All the companies in the world - and the journalists - can say and write whatever they want, but the fact is that nobody has to care.
Stop talking business all the time. The programmers don't care about business. We care about code.
Where I work (A Brand New World in Sweden) we developed such an application last year, using Palm + Bluetooth + VNC.
If you want to see one of our newer products, check out the Gizmo [abrandnewworld.se]! It's a clip-on for the Compaq iPaq, enabling 802.11b, GSM and GPRS.
You can use JavaScript to change the homepage in IE (I'm pretty sure, at least) so probably they use that. Or they conceal the prompt ("Do you wanna SEE NAKED YOUNG CHICKS bla bla bla set this page as your homepage?").
That was real funny.
But seriously, I think PostScript gives me the same feeling, actually even stronger 'cause it's got this academic feel all over it.
Kind of like when I begun high-school and the math/physics teachers had created their own books, using Tex. Boy, were we impressed!
"Plus the spam filter they offer is great, I have gotten 0 spams since turning it on."
;)
Hey man, you forgot to tell'em that you haven't gotten ANY email AT ALL since turning it on!