I'm six years older than you, and a Grandpa. We see and hear stuff all the time about old people and technology. And, it's so true that arguing is pointless. People our age are mostly clueless when it comes to modern tech. So, you and I can keep up with most of the younger generation, huh? So, put a feather in your cap for being ahead of the rest of our generation. We're still dinosaurs, albeit pretty smart dinosaurs.
Oh - I missed the feminist part. You're probably a professional offense taker. Well, go ahead and be offended. Who am I to get in the way of your martyr complex?
That's kind of my point - Gnu is moving to GPL3 - Linux is not. Perhaps I didn't make it clear enough - many proprietary vendors are happy with Linux, but they are not so happy with Gnu. GPL2 is good, GPL3 is not - at least from their point of view.:^)
Just like voodoo magic. Gimme a hair off of your head, I'll make a voodoo doll, and stick a gold coin up it's ass. From now on, you'll shit gold. You'll hate going to the bathroom, but you'll soon be one of the richest mofos on this planet!
Have you ever run a Gnu/Hurd machine? Would you care to run a Linux machine without the vaguest hint of HURD on it? I do. Industrial machines loaded with proprietary software do NOT want to rely on anything that Stallman has licensed. That proprietary software runs comfortable with the Linux kernel, and with whatever drivers may have been licensed for that piece of equipment, but they WILL NOT play the GPL2 and GPL3 games with Gnu. Not in this lifetime, and not in the next ten lifetimes.
I've never installed GNU/Linux. Maybe, possibly, if it ever materializes, I'll install Gnu/HURD, to see how it runs. What I install is Linux, with some stuff borrowed from Gnu and other contributors. True, Linux isn't really a "complete" operating system - but Gnu certainly isn't either. Linux is "more complete" than Gnu is.
Besides - I can't keep a straight face when proselytizing if I use the term "Gnu/Linux". "Linux" is just so much cleaner, faster, and easier to say!
Oh yeah - my computer has Super Cow abilities. Mooo, no Gnu!
Uhhh - that "compatibility with older hardware" is NOT one of the things that made any *nix "great". Back in the day, when Torvalds and others were creating Linux and other *nixes, they were operating on (then) modern hardware, or even bleeding edge hardware.
Face it - Linux wasn't primarily designed to be run on mainframes, 8086 processors, or the myriad of other antiquated gadgets from history. Linux was meant to be cross-platform from the start. The platforms were rather limited, 20 years ago, but the intention was stated very early on. Today's platforms have gigs of memory, and lightning speed, with ultra-complex graphics rendering hardware - why not make use of it?
There are, and always will be, "lightweight", as well as obsoleted Linux distros that will run on the old hardware!
Want a small, bloatfree distro? DSL and Puppy come readily to mind. Go get you some!
Very well put. I was scratching my head over GP's post. "Why is HAL good again?" I was still trying to form up my thoughts as I read your post. Perfect. And, your are exactly right. I've moved a hard drive from one machine to another, and booted without ANY tinkering. The only tinkering that I've found necessary, is when the video drivers are incompatible, ie, an installed nVidia driver on a new machine that has a Radeon installed. And, I believe that all *nix systems have an easy command line utility to purge nVidia or Radeon, then install the opposite driver. That accomplished, the system will boot directly to your favorite GUI desktop environment!
I saw Linus' divelog. Nothing to get excited about. Now, if he were MUFF diving, and he managed to stay down for the same length of time, I'd be impressed. In fact, I'd consider taking lessons!
Stereotype or not, remember that people in the UK are "subjects", while people in the US are "citizens". Yeah, I know, we tend to forget that here - most of us are content to be referred to as "consumers".
Note that apparent morons are capable of computing RBI averages, and can memorize the starting lineups of every team in the nation, but are incapable of determining how much interest they will pay on a loan at 18% compounded annually.
The things that you are interested in come easily, while the things you lack interest in will never be mastered.
But, then we are back to GP's statement. A good teacher can make mundane things interesting. I had a chemistry teacher who was good at that. The old guy would cut up, crack jokes, and otherwise act awfully unprofessionally - but all those idiot comments and jokes managed to make the un-understandable clear. It helped that he was a former jock. He helped some of our braindead jocks to graduate!
Uhhmmm. I think it's a matter of degree, really. The US is not yet a police state, IMHO. But, some cities in the United States are working hard to become police states, and Washington is aiding those cities. Away from the cities, we have varying degrees of the problem.
I could argue with you about how much the United States has become a police state - but as I sit here typing, I'm reminded that the United States incarcerates a greater percentage of it's citizenry than any other nation in the world. I might end up losing the argument.
However, you admit that the UK is a "surveillance" state. So - WHO, exactly, has the authority to maintain surveillance over it's people? And, to what purpose? I think that in effect, you are admitting that the UK leads the US in becoming a police state. And, in fact, the UK is better situated to become a "totalitarian" police state than the US is. Both countries are moving in that direction, and the UK is in the lead.
Didn't our government sell off GM at a loss? No, Sir, I'll say it again. The government has NOT recovered the investment it made when it decided to bail out all those failed businesses.
Uhh - what about those stories we heard, about people being fined for playing a radio in a place and manner in which OTHER people might hear the radio? Those individuals ran afoul of copyright and licensing laws. Preposterous, I say.
I'll grant that the BBC is a superior broadcasting enterprise. I watch and listen to as much of the BBC as I can, because they are better than our American mass media, and usually get a better angle on the news around the world. All the same, the entire Western world is under seige by the those "rights holders", and the UK is rolling over for them. Just like the United States, and Australia. Canada stands apart from the rest of our English speaking countries - not far enough apart, but at least they can actually boast about a "struggle".
What exactly do you suggest are the "real issues"?
IMHO, the "real issues" are that copyright trolls are working hard to ensure that no copyrighted material ever arrives in the public domain. Copyright in perpetuity is what they are aiming for. More, they are working to ensure that those copyright "laws" are enforceable around the world.
The 1984 posts may amuse you, but I consider them to be words of wisdom. As for the UK, it's been a police state for quite a long while now. Brits have an entirely different psychology than us wild men from the Americas. In fact, their psychology is quite different from those wild men down under, as well! Then, there is Canada, where the women are wilder than the men, LMAO!
To be fair, I'm not English, Welsh, Scottish, or even Irish. And, I've not been to the UK in more than 25 years. But, from my point of view, there is no struggle. The Brits give the "rights holders" everything they ask for. In the UK, you even have to PAY to own a television or a radio!
There are a lot of things to like about the Brits, but their "struggle" with digital rights is akin to an oxymoron. Everyone, from the sovereign to the common serfs has rolled over, without so much as a protest. We have more of a struggle here in the states than the Brits do. Not that it matters much, since all the politicians have prostituted themselves to the "rights holders".
I can't believe I wasted precious seconds of my life reading, and trying to comprehend, that link. There was mention of Eurofags, I believe. But, the article is about Metalfags. Weird shit man.
So - Billy Random Hacker aka Snotnose Scriptkiddie just happens to have authorization via git to change the source code? Then - why didn't he come in through the front door, and change the source code? It makes no sense, I tell you! It's like, I have a safe deposit box at my local bank, and I want to change the contents of that box, so I break in at night to do so. When, all along, all I needed to do, was to walk in during business hours, and inform any bank officer that I need access to my box.
What am I missing here, that seems so obvious to you and so many others?
Even MS supports creating a boot-able USB drive with Windows 7 on it!
Somehow, I had missed that little bit of "trivia". I have to say, "About time!" I remember my early days with Windows, trying to work around a bad CD-rom in some cases, or a scratched up CD in others. And, trying to get someone's driver installed by way of the floppy drive which was often full of lint and dust. Yes, it's about time that MS actually SUPPORTS a boot-able USB. Take all my headaches, multiplied by all the people worldwide who had to work around that limitation, and you most certainly have billions of hours of wasted time!
Of course, these days, I don't spend much time fixing people's trashed out computers. I guess that's why I wasn't aware that Microsoft had come out of the stone ages.
Uhhhhh - why is it hard to comprehend? At three different points in time, I volunteered my time to Cubs and Boy Scouts. At another point in time, I also volunteered time for a Brownie troop. Actually, some of my Boy Scout and Brownie Scout time overlapped. What, exactly, is there to prevent someone from volunteering to serve boys in one instance, and girls in another instance?
When I wore that Navy uniform, I served EVERYONE, including boys and girls!
As for believing that it is true - it doesn't matter what you believe. It's my life, and I'm happy with it. At my age, either I've done most of what I ever wanted to do - or I would never get around to it!
Generally, I don't see uniforms. Long, long ago, as a kid, I studied uniforms. Police, Army, Marines, even boy scout uniforms. Today? Nahhh. I wore a uniform for 8 years in the Navy, another uniform for 5 years as a boy scout leader, and I have another two years as a brownie scout leader. I see the uniform, and pretty much dismiss it. Instead, I see the man or woman IN that uniform. When I judge a man as good, bad, spectacularly good, or totally incompetent, that has a bearing on his department, in that the department hires good or bad people. But, that doesn't reflect on everyone in the department.
As a generality, I like cops. But, I'm aware that they aren't any more trustworthy than any other people. I don't trust a cop, unless I know him. I've been lied to by cops, just as readily as by my coworkers, or people on the street.
Never look at a uniform, and make any assumptions. There were some lowlife scumbags who wore my Navy uniform, and there were some admirable men and women that I was proud to call shipmate. You'll find the same thing among cops, scout leaders, Marines, or whoever.
I don't remember where I first heard this - possibly from a teacher in junior high school. "If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem." I'm another person who is sick of these patent wars. One day, you want to cheer this side, or the other side, the next day you want to cheer the interlopers who file those "friend of the court" briefs, then a week later, you want to see the real low-life trolls burnt at the stake. It's an endless drama among the lawyers trying to milk the techworld.
And, I'm just sick of it. Apple hasn't been part of the solution, nor has Microsoft, or Samsung, or Motorola, or IBM, or - well, I could go on. Everyone who has ever filed a software and/or frivolous design patent like basic description of the Apple iPad is part of the problem. Most patents need to be done away with. I can't remember now what the numbers were, but apparently more patents have been granted in the past ten years, than were granted in all of patent history. It's ridiculous. Worse, it's insane.
Idiots sitting at a corporate conference mull the need to patent a shape, because they might use that shape sometime in the unforseeable future. Preposterous.
I think you err. Stanley Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke were both smart enough to remove the inputs and the icons to avoid being sued by Apple. Frigging GENIUSES, weren't they?
I won't fault your claims, nor will I question your logic, or conclusions. I'll just point out that this is a Japanese Domino's. They may also be "pure fucking evil", but the evil will have a different flavor, I'm sure.
Let's put it this way: How many corporate douchebags in America are visualizing something as outrageous as pizza delivery on the moon? Careful now, I said CORPORATE douchebags. Not comic strip writers, or Hollywood script writers, or whatever. I'm talking about big shots with real money and resources with which to conceivably do such a thing.
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Well, AC, or Grandma - I say "Get over it".
I'm six years older than you, and a Grandpa. We see and hear stuff all the time about old people and technology. And, it's so true that arguing is pointless. People our age are mostly clueless when it comes to modern tech. So, you and I can keep up with most of the younger generation, huh? So, put a feather in your cap for being ahead of the rest of our generation. We're still dinosaurs, albeit pretty smart dinosaurs.
Oh - I missed the feminist part. You're probably a professional offense taker. Well, go ahead and be offended. Who am I to get in the way of your martyr complex?
I can't even SPELL esoteric, or mystical. You must be confusing me with Confucius or something!
Oh, wait - I screwed that up, didn't I?
That's kind of my point - Gnu is moving to GPL3 - Linux is not. Perhaps I didn't make it clear enough - many proprietary vendors are happy with Linux, but they are not so happy with Gnu. GPL2 is good, GPL3 is not - at least from their point of view. :^)
Just like voodoo magic. Gimme a hair off of your head, I'll make a voodoo doll, and stick a gold coin up it's ass. From now on, you'll shit gold. You'll hate going to the bathroom, but you'll soon be one of the richest mofos on this planet!
Thank you, I'm glad you noticed.
Have you ever run a Gnu/Hurd machine? Would you care to run a Linux machine without the vaguest hint of HURD on it? I do. Industrial machines loaded with proprietary software do NOT want to rely on anything that Stallman has licensed. That proprietary software runs comfortable with the Linux kernel, and with whatever drivers may have been licensed for that piece of equipment, but they WILL NOT play the GPL2 and GPL3 games with Gnu. Not in this lifetime, and not in the next ten lifetimes.
I've never installed GNU/Linux. Maybe, possibly, if it ever materializes, I'll install Gnu/HURD, to see how it runs. What I install is Linux, with some stuff borrowed from Gnu and other contributors. True, Linux isn't really a "complete" operating system - but Gnu certainly isn't either. Linux is "more complete" than Gnu is.
Besides - I can't keep a straight face when proselytizing if I use the term "Gnu/Linux". "Linux" is just so much cleaner, faster, and easier to say!
Oh yeah - my computer has Super Cow abilities. Mooo, no Gnu!
Uhhh - that "compatibility with older hardware" is NOT one of the things that made any *nix "great". Back in the day, when Torvalds and others were creating Linux and other *nixes, they were operating on (then) modern hardware, or even bleeding edge hardware.
Face it - Linux wasn't primarily designed to be run on mainframes, 8086 processors, or the myriad of other antiquated gadgets from history. Linux was meant to be cross-platform from the start. The platforms were rather limited, 20 years ago, but the intention was stated very early on. Today's platforms have gigs of memory, and lightning speed, with ultra-complex graphics rendering hardware - why not make use of it?
There are, and always will be, "lightweight", as well as obsoleted Linux distros that will run on the old hardware!
Want a small, bloatfree distro? DSL and Puppy come readily to mind. Go get you some!
Very well put. I was scratching my head over GP's post. "Why is HAL good again?" I was still trying to form up my thoughts as I read your post. Perfect. And, your are exactly right. I've moved a hard drive from one machine to another, and booted without ANY tinkering. The only tinkering that I've found necessary, is when the video drivers are incompatible, ie, an installed nVidia driver on a new machine that has a Radeon installed. And, I believe that all *nix systems have an easy command line utility to purge nVidia or Radeon, then install the opposite driver. That accomplished, the system will boot directly to your favorite GUI desktop environment!
I saw Linus' divelog. Nothing to get excited about. Now, if he were MUFF diving, and he managed to stay down for the same length of time, I'd be impressed. In fact, I'd consider taking lessons!
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Stereotype or not, remember that people in the UK are "subjects", while people in the US are "citizens". Yeah, I know, we tend to forget that here - most of us are content to be referred to as "consumers".
I would argue right along with you.
Note that apparent morons are capable of computing RBI averages, and can memorize the starting lineups of every team in the nation, but are incapable of determining how much interest they will pay on a loan at 18% compounded annually.
The things that you are interested in come easily, while the things you lack interest in will never be mastered.
But, then we are back to GP's statement. A good teacher can make mundane things interesting. I had a chemistry teacher who was good at that. The old guy would cut up, crack jokes, and otherwise act awfully unprofessionally - but all those idiot comments and jokes managed to make the un-understandable clear. It helped that he was a former jock. He helped some of our braindead jocks to graduate!
Uhhmmm. I think it's a matter of degree, really. The US is not yet a police state, IMHO. But, some cities in the United States are working hard to become police states, and Washington is aiding those cities. Away from the cities, we have varying degrees of the problem.
I could argue with you about how much the United States has become a police state - but as I sit here typing, I'm reminded that the United States incarcerates a greater percentage of it's citizenry than any other nation in the world. I might end up losing the argument.
However, you admit that the UK is a "surveillance" state. So - WHO, exactly, has the authority to maintain surveillance over it's people? And, to what purpose? I think that in effect, you are admitting that the UK leads the US in becoming a police state. And, in fact, the UK is better situated to become a "totalitarian" police state than the US is. Both countries are moving in that direction, and the UK is in the lead.
All of them? Dollar for dollar? No, Sir, the bailouts have not been paid back.
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2010/12/no-big-banks-have-not-really-paid-back.html
Didn't our government sell off GM at a loss? No, Sir, I'll say it again. The government has NOT recovered the investment it made when it decided to bail out all those failed businesses.
Uhh - what about those stories we heard, about people being fined for playing a radio in a place and manner in which OTHER people might hear the radio? Those individuals ran afoul of copyright and licensing laws. Preposterous, I say.
I'll grant that the BBC is a superior broadcasting enterprise. I watch and listen to as much of the BBC as I can, because they are better than our American mass media, and usually get a better angle on the news around the world. All the same, the entire Western world is under seige by the those "rights holders", and the UK is rolling over for them. Just like the United States, and Australia. Canada stands apart from the rest of our English speaking countries - not far enough apart, but at least they can actually boast about a "struggle".
What exactly do you suggest are the "real issues"?
IMHO, the "real issues" are that copyright trolls are working hard to ensure that no copyrighted material ever arrives in the public domain. Copyright in perpetuity is what they are aiming for. More, they are working to ensure that those copyright "laws" are enforceable around the world.
The 1984 posts may amuse you, but I consider them to be words of wisdom. As for the UK, it's been a police state for quite a long while now. Brits have an entirely different psychology than us wild men from the Americas. In fact, their psychology is quite different from those wild men down under, as well! Then, there is Canada, where the women are wilder than the men, LMAO!
To be fair, I'm not English, Welsh, Scottish, or even Irish. And, I've not been to the UK in more than 25 years. But, from my point of view, there is no struggle. The Brits give the "rights holders" everything they ask for. In the UK, you even have to PAY to own a television or a radio!
There are a lot of things to like about the Brits, but their "struggle" with digital rights is akin to an oxymoron. Everyone, from the sovereign to the common serfs has rolled over, without so much as a protest. We have more of a struggle here in the states than the Brits do. Not that it matters much, since all the politicians have prostituted themselves to the "rights holders".
I can't believe I wasted precious seconds of my life reading, and trying to comprehend, that link. There was mention of Eurofags, I believe. But, the article is about Metalfags. Weird shit man.
So - Billy Random Hacker aka Snotnose Scriptkiddie just happens to have authorization via git to change the source code? Then - why didn't he come in through the front door, and change the source code? It makes no sense, I tell you! It's like, I have a safe deposit box at my local bank, and I want to change the contents of that box, so I break in at night to do so. When, all along, all I needed to do, was to walk in during business hours, and inform any bank officer that I need access to my box.
What am I missing here, that seems so obvious to you and so many others?
Even MS supports creating a boot-able USB drive with Windows 7 on it!
Somehow, I had missed that little bit of "trivia". I have to say, "About time!" I remember my early days with Windows, trying to work around a bad CD-rom in some cases, or a scratched up CD in others. And, trying to get someone's driver installed by way of the floppy drive which was often full of lint and dust. Yes, it's about time that MS actually SUPPORTS a boot-able USB. Take all my headaches, multiplied by all the people worldwide who had to work around that limitation, and you most certainly have billions of hours of wasted time!
Of course, these days, I don't spend much time fixing people's trashed out computers. I guess that's why I wasn't aware that Microsoft had come out of the stone ages.
Uhhhhh - why is it hard to comprehend? At three different points in time, I volunteered my time to Cubs and Boy Scouts. At another point in time, I also volunteered time for a Brownie troop. Actually, some of my Boy Scout and Brownie Scout time overlapped. What, exactly, is there to prevent someone from volunteering to serve boys in one instance, and girls in another instance?
When I wore that Navy uniform, I served EVERYONE, including boys and girls!
As for believing that it is true - it doesn't matter what you believe. It's my life, and I'm happy with it. At my age, either I've done most of what I ever wanted to do - or I would never get around to it!
Generally, I don't see uniforms. Long, long ago, as a kid, I studied uniforms. Police, Army, Marines, even boy scout uniforms. Today? Nahhh. I wore a uniform for 8 years in the Navy, another uniform for 5 years as a boy scout leader, and I have another two years as a brownie scout leader. I see the uniform, and pretty much dismiss it. Instead, I see the man or woman IN that uniform. When I judge a man as good, bad, spectacularly good, or totally incompetent, that has a bearing on his department, in that the department hires good or bad people. But, that doesn't reflect on everyone in the department.
As a generality, I like cops. But, I'm aware that they aren't any more trustworthy than any other people. I don't trust a cop, unless I know him. I've been lied to by cops, just as readily as by my coworkers, or people on the street.
Never look at a uniform, and make any assumptions. There were some lowlife scumbags who wore my Navy uniform, and there were some admirable men and women that I was proud to call shipmate. You'll find the same thing among cops, scout leaders, Marines, or whoever.
I don't remember where I first heard this - possibly from a teacher in junior high school. "If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem." I'm another person who is sick of these patent wars. One day, you want to cheer this side, or the other side, the next day you want to cheer the interlopers who file those "friend of the court" briefs, then a week later, you want to see the real low-life trolls burnt at the stake. It's an endless drama among the lawyers trying to milk the techworld.
And, I'm just sick of it. Apple hasn't been part of the solution, nor has Microsoft, or Samsung, or Motorola, or IBM, or - well, I could go on. Everyone who has ever filed a software and/or frivolous design patent like basic description of the Apple iPad is part of the problem. Most patents need to be done away with. I can't remember now what the numbers were, but apparently more patents have been granted in the past ten years, than were granted in all of patent history. It's ridiculous. Worse, it's insane.
Idiots sitting at a corporate conference mull the need to patent a shape, because they might use that shape sometime in the unforseeable future. Preposterous.
I think you err. Stanley Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke were both smart enough to remove the inputs and the icons to avoid being sued by Apple. Frigging GENIUSES, weren't they?
I won't fault your claims, nor will I question your logic, or conclusions. I'll just point out that this is a Japanese Domino's. They may also be "pure fucking evil", but the evil will have a different flavor, I'm sure.
Let's put it this way: How many corporate douchebags in America are visualizing something as outrageous as pizza delivery on the moon? Careful now, I said CORPORATE douchebags. Not comic strip writers, or Hollywood script writers, or whatever. I'm talking about big shots with real money and resources with which to conceivably do such a thing.