I'm thrilled, and this pretty much seals up that I'll buy a mini, but I don't think it makes a huge difference to most people, maybe just to those on the fence.
You just said it "seals up" that you will buy a mini, and in the next sentence, you sais it won't make a difference to most people. It obviously is making a difference to you. It sealed the deal.
What do you need the PCI slot for? (not retorical)
With the exception of Graphics, I would venture to say all consumer level options usually upgraded via PCI on a PC are either (1) built in (like Bluetooth or Firewire ports) or (2) available via Firewire (like Audio/video input/output devices).
This news has lots of people asking "What about exisitng orders" (they got e-mails notifying them of refunds of the difference), but the real question is why, four days after product availability, did Apple do this?
Possible reasons: - Sales figures in first tow weeks overwhelming under BTO projections - Analysts/Fans complained of over priced BTO - Yet-to-be-released products with similar BTO pricing coming sooner than Apple originally planned - Margins on BTO items are higher, even at reduced prices, than margins on the original equipment.
"Fallacy" - awefully harsh, particularly since neither you nor I have evidence to back up our "opinions".
My position is that those who rent/buy DVDs are also already subscribers to cable/satellite. Your position is that they are not. Fine. I respect your opinion. Please respect mine.
I made my assumption that the market for downloadable movies are people with digital cable or satelite because those are the people who have already shown their willingness to spend money on TV entertainment.
I would wager that a study would find a direct correlation between those who spend money for premium cable services and those who buy movies (in any format - PPV, DVD, etc).
Okay,I know not everyone has a cable box, but assuming the primary market for downloadable movies are people with either digital cable or satelite capable of movies-on-demand, I am having a hard time seeing how this is better.
Like the iPod/iTunes simplified music buying and listening, I think the cable industry has already solved the movide buying thing.
If they would just increase the library of movies on demand and allow us to save them in our PVR, burn to DVD, etc, then you have an easy way to buy, store, and view movies.
THe Napster way, I am still going to my computer, downloading the whole thing (takes longer than going to Blockbuster) and in the end, It cost me the $XX.XX they will charge, plus I now have to burn my own DVD (more $ and time) and then I can finally watch it in my home theater.
Not as clean as the movies on demand model we have had for years.
Easy to have a sig like you do when the discussion is locked. Why don't you start a new discussion and I'll give you my two cents. You can add it to the $6,000.
Reply to this when you've done it so I get a/. notice.
All this just makes my point. It would cost Apple SO VERY LITTLE with their buying power to include this thing. They included the DVI -> VGA as you pointed out. Why not take the next logical step?
You're missing the point. This is supposed to be a bare-bones machine. Include both adapters and you'd have a $530 base configuration instead of $499, adding expense for items not everyone will need.
You state this will increase the price from $499 to $530 but I whole heartedly disagree that it would cost Apple $31 to include the PS/2 -> USB Adapter I found for $9.95 RETAIL.
I am afraid I must not have made my point clear. Regardless of the cost, they can keep the $499/599 price point. Apple's target market for these devices are "switchers" and tech enthusiasts. As my previous post pointed out, if Apple is expecting them to use either existing hardware (PS/2 & VGA) or KVM switches (only high end ones have DVI/USB support), then Apple needs to provide this stuff.
I get a white phone cord with every Mac I buy because it comes with a modem. Who doesn't have a phone cord in their house or can get one a grocery store. Yet something people will need and probably have a harder time finding like a PS/2 -> USB adapter (thanks for pointing out the DVI -> VGA is included) is an item Apple has choosen not to include.
Also with the Mac Mini Coming with a free Printer http://apple.com/promo
I didn't see a promo for a printer with the Mac mini. The Epson Stylus C86 is free (mail in rebate) with the purchase of "qualifying" iMacs, eMacs, Power Mac, iBook, or PowerBook. No mention of the Mac mini.
For $499, expecting a printer too seems a bit much.
No troll here. I am excited for the Mac mini, but it there some technical reason uncovered that helps explain the whole port fiasco?
The Mac mini is supposed to be either a "Switcher's Mac" or a Mac for IT pros who are going to hook it to a KVM, or lastly a home entertainment server. In any of those cases, the ports standard on the Mac mini (DVI/USB) are a bad choice.
Where are the VGA out and PS/2 keyboard and mouse ports? I see that for $20 you can buy a DVI -> VGA adapter, but I don't see any PS/2 keyboard -> USB adapter. Why doesn't it just COME WITH these things in the box. Could such items cost more than a couple bucks per unit to include?
Switchers only have VGA and PS/2 devices. Only high end KVMs support DVI and USB. What the hell is going on in Mission Control?
You are the one who is confused. That is one of the reasons why it is so cheap.
According to Apple the $499 Mac mini comes with: - Mac OS X Panther - iLife '05 (GarageBand, iMovie, iDVD*, iPhoto, iTunes) - Quicken 2005 - and two games Nanosaur 2 and Marble Blast Gold * previously, Apple has not included iDVD on systems that do not have a Super Drive, and therefore, no DVD authoring capability.
Based on my behavior last year and my excitement about this year's promotion, I would say this is a big win-win for both Pepsi and Apple. If done annually, it may even become as popular as McDonald's Monopoly game, arguably oen fo the most successful giveaways of its kind until they busted the insiders who rigged the Corvette winnings several years in a row (dumb and dumber).
But I digress...
Apple and Pepsi have achieved several goals: 1 - Get the name out. As the even launch data approaches, more and more free publicity will be generated in the main stream (non-tech) media. 2 - Get more people drinking Pepsi. Done. I don't drink Pepsi as a matter of course but will switch from Diet Dr. Peper to Diet Pepsi like Wade Boggs swiched to the Yankees for a chance at a free song and a free iPod mini. 3 - Get more people using (locking in) to iTunes Music Store. Ofcourse Apple wants new people to come to the store and get more tunes but they also want existing iTunes Music Store customers to get in on the act too. Why? Because an existing user has already proven they will pay for iTMS tracks (unless all they have are other giveaways) so if they go to redeem a free song, they might buy one or ten while they are at the store. But most importantly is lockin. Ever song Apple sells today, even if they give them away, just lengthens the lead iTMS/iPod has because if a user is considering a switch from iTMS to say Napster, and they have 100 songs, purchased or free, they are going to say "damn, it will cost me $99 just to get the music I already have at iTMS!"
Okay, they might not say "damn", but they will say the rest.
The thrill of the Apple rumor mill, particularly around Mac World in January, is intoxicating to me.
But that said, I do think there is a line between freedom of speach and soliciting priviledged information from people you know shouldn't be talking to you.
It isn't enough to say "I have annonymous source e-mail". If you are going to be a reporter, then there are ethics involved. Getting the scoop on a story by any means doesn't cut it for me.
Plus, did you see how wildly Apple's stock was swinging around all these rumors? we are talking 7% in a day market cap swings - that is big stuff for a teenager to be toying with.
It goes without saying but everyone is forgetting:
It's the software stupid!
The Mac mini is bundles with: - BSD OS that is VVF (virtually virus free) - Quicken '05 - iTunes - iPhoto - iMovie - iDVD (if you opt for the Super Drive option) - Garage Band - Safari - iCal - Mail.app - Address Book - iSync
Without the software, the hardware is just something to look at (in the case of the Mac mini) or hide (in the case of most PC cases).
"To create a new standard takes something that's not just a little bit different. It takes something that's really new and captures people's imaginations. Macintosh meets that standard." - Bill Gates, Chairman of the Board & CEO Microsoft Corporation
While you're at it, check out the real article CmdrTaco found this photo at. Much more informative and interesting read.
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I'm thrilled, and this pretty much seals up that I'll buy a mini, but I don't think it makes a huge difference to most people, maybe just to those on the fence.
You just said it "seals up" that you will buy a mini, and in the next sentence, you sais it won't make a difference to most people. It obviously is making a difference to you. It sealed the deal.
What do you need the PCI slot for? (not retorical)
With the exception of Graphics, I would venture to say all consumer level options usually upgraded via PCI on a PC are either (1) built in (like Bluetooth or Firewire ports) or (2) available via Firewire (like Audio/video input/output devices).
This news has lots of people asking "What about exisitng orders" (they got e-mails notifying them of refunds of the difference), but the real question is why, four days after product availability, did Apple do this?
Possible reasons:
- Sales figures in first tow weeks overwhelming under BTO projections
- Analysts/Fans complained of over priced BTO
- Yet-to-be-released products with similar BTO pricing coming sooner than Apple originally planned
- Margins on BTO items are higher, even at reduced prices, than margins on the original equipment.
Do you see your fallacy
"Fallacy" - awefully harsh, particularly since neither you nor I have evidence to back up our "opinions".
My position is that those who rent/buy DVDs are also already subscribers to cable/satellite. Your position is that they are not. Fine. I respect your opinion. Please respect mine.
I made my assumption that the market for downloadable movies are people with digital cable or satelite because those are the people who have already shown their willingness to spend money on TV entertainment.
I would wager that a study would find a direct correlation between those who spend money for premium cable services and those who buy movies (in any format - PPV, DVD, etc).
Okay,I know not everyone has a cable box, but assuming the primary market for downloadable movies are people with either digital cable or satelite capable of movies-on-demand, I am having a hard time seeing how this is better.
Like the iPod/iTunes simplified music buying and listening, I think the cable industry has already solved the movide buying thing.
If they would just increase the library of movies on demand and allow us to save them in our PVR, burn to DVD, etc, then you have an easy way to buy, store, and view movies.
THe Napster way, I am still going to my computer, downloading the whole thing (takes longer than going to Blockbuster) and in the end, It cost me the $XX.XX they will charge, plus I now have to burn my own DVD (more $ and time) and then I can finally watch it in my home theater.
Not as clean as the movies on demand model we have had for years.
The page you were looking at is here:
http://www.apple.com/promo/printoutcashin/
The page I was looking at is here:
http://www.apple.com/promo/
Apple didn't update the page i was looking at, but did update the page you saw.
Easy to have a sig like you do when the discussion is locked. Why don't you start a new discussion and I'll give you my two cents. You can add it to the $6,000.
/. notice.
Reply to this when you've done it so I get a
The DVI->VGA adapter DOES come in the box, like you ask.
Thank you for pointing this out. My oversight.
I found this $9.95 Dual PS/2 -> single USB converter and no doubt eBay will continue to sell the things wholesale for far less (saw some in the $4 range).
All this just makes my point. It would cost Apple SO VERY LITTLE with their buying power to include this thing. They included the DVI -> VGA as you pointed out. Why not take the next logical step?
You're missing the point. This is supposed to be a bare-bones machine. Include both adapters and you'd have a $530 base configuration instead of $499, adding expense for items not everyone will need.
You state this will increase the price from $499 to $530 but I whole heartedly disagree that it would cost Apple $31 to include the PS/2 -> USB Adapter I found for $9.95 RETAIL.
I am afraid I must not have made my point clear. Regardless of the cost, they can keep the $499/599 price point. Apple's target market for these devices are "switchers" and tech enthusiasts. As my previous post pointed out, if Apple is expecting them to use either existing hardware (PS/2 & VGA) or KVM switches (only high end ones have DVI/USB support), then Apple needs to provide this stuff.
I get a white phone cord with every Mac I buy because it comes with a modem. Who doesn't have a phone cord in their house or can get one a grocery store. Yet something people will need and probably have a harder time finding like a PS/2 -> USB adapter (thanks for pointing out the DVI -> VGA is included) is an item Apple has choosen not to include.
Also with the Mac Mini Coming with a free Printer http://apple.com/promo
I didn't see a promo for a printer with the Mac mini. The Epson Stylus C86 is free (mail in rebate) with the purchase of "qualifying" iMacs, eMacs, Power Mac, iBook, or PowerBook. No mention of the Mac mini.
For $499, expecting a printer too seems a bit much.
No troll here. I am excited for the Mac mini, but it there some technical reason uncovered that helps explain the whole port fiasco?
The Mac mini is supposed to be either a "Switcher's Mac" or a Mac for IT pros who are going to hook it to a KVM, or lastly a home entertainment server. In any of those cases, the ports standard on the Mac mini (DVI/USB) are a bad choice.
Where are the VGA out and PS/2 keyboard and mouse ports? I see that for $20 you can buy a DVI -> VGA adapter, but I don't see any PS/2 keyboard -> USB adapter. Why doesn't it just COME WITH these things in the box. Could such items cost more than a couple bucks per unit to include?
Switchers only have VGA and PS/2 devices. Only high end KVMs support DVI and USB. What the hell is going on in Mission Control?
You are the one who is confused. That is one of the reasons why it is so cheap.
According to Apple the $499 Mac mini comes with:
- Mac OS X Panther
- iLife '05 (GarageBand, iMovie, iDVD*, iPhoto, iTunes)
- Quicken 2005
- and two games Nanosaur 2 and Marble Blast Gold
* previously, Apple has not included iDVD on systems that do not have a Super Drive, and therefore, no DVD authoring capability.
Thanks for the FUD.
For $99 you can purchase Mac OS X and get real live tech support for problems that (probably won't) pop up.
From your comment I am not certain that you realize the $499 Mac mini comes with OS X, there is no need to purchase Mac OS X for $99.
Or am I the one who is confused?
Based on my behavior last year and my excitement about this year's promotion, I would say this is a big win-win for both Pepsi and Apple. If done annually, it may even become as popular as McDonald's Monopoly game, arguably oen fo the most successful giveaways of its kind until they busted the insiders who rigged the Corvette winnings several years in a row (dumb and dumber).
.
But I digress...
Apple and Pepsi have achieved several goals:
1 - Get the name out. As the even launch data approaches, more and more free publicity will be generated in the main stream (non-tech) media.
2 - Get more people drinking Pepsi. Done. I don't drink Pepsi as a matter of course but will switch from Diet Dr. Peper to Diet Pepsi like Wade Boggs swiched to the Yankees for a chance at a free song and a free iPod mini
3 - Get more people using (locking in) to iTunes Music Store. Ofcourse Apple wants new people to come to the store and get more tunes but they also want existing iTunes Music Store customers to get in on the act too. Why? Because an existing user has already proven they will pay for iTMS tracks (unless all they have are other giveaways) so if they go to redeem a free song, they might buy one or ten while they are at the store. But most importantly is lockin. Ever song Apple sells today, even if they give them away, just lengthens the lead iTMS/iPod has because if a user is considering a switch from iTMS to say Napster, and they have 100 songs, purchased or free, they are going to say "damn, it will cost me $99 just to get the music I already have at iTMS!"
Okay, they might not say "damn", but they will say the rest.
The thrill of the Apple rumor mill, particularly around Mac World in January, is intoxicating to me.
But that said, I do think there is a line between freedom of speach and soliciting priviledged information from people you know shouldn't be talking to you.
It isn't enough to say "I have annonymous source e-mail". If you are going to be a reporter, then there are ethics involved. Getting the scoop on a story by any means doesn't cut it for me.
Plus, did you see how wildly Apple's stock was swinging around all these rumors? we are talking 7% in a day market cap swings - that is big stuff for a teenager to be toying with.
Go fuck yourself.
This post was informative - I pointed out the iPod mini giveaway.
Further, my link was relevant. Yeah it was the same link as the main story. So what? It contained information relative to what I was posting about.
And you post annonymous - why, to protect your Karma on some Internet chat group? Pathetic.
SCO is ordered to show more ass to the Linux Market Share
Interesting change in the rules:
- 10 redemptions per day
- 200 redemptions total
fine print
I guess this is 10 in 24 hrs, 200 total per iTMS account, not physical person, as a jr/sr may live in the same house and each have an iTMS account.
This should also prevent unintended use of the promotion.
Apple is also giving away an iPod mini every hour
It goes without saying but everyone is forgetting:
It's the software stupid!
The Mac mini is bundles with:
- BSD OS that is VVF (virtually virus free)
- Quicken '05
- iTunes
- iPhoto
- iMovie
- iDVD (if you opt for the Super Drive option)
- Garage Band
- Safari
- iCal
- Mail.app
- Address Book
- iSync
Without the software, the hardware is just something to look at (in the case of the Mac mini) or hide (in the case of most PC cases).
My favorite is this quote from Bill Gates:
"To create a new standard takes something that's not just a little bit different. It takes something that's really new and captures people's imaginations. Macintosh meets that standard."
- Bill Gates, Chairman of the Board & CEO Microsoft Corporation
While you're at it, check out the real article CmdrTaco found this photo at. Much more informative and interesting read.
Market research also seems to indicate people want to rent movies and not buy them.
Of course, this market research was done in a Blockbuster parking lot.
returned 75 hits.
I bought a spiffy new flash 128 Mb Creative Muvo ... I couldn't get my $220 + tax. I keep my worthless Muvo as a reminder
A reminder that for $30 more you could have bought a iPod Mini with 4GB capacity?
Damn