Or wait 12 weeks for suse to release most of it on their mirrors. Then wait another 12 weeks to get connected and download it even if you have an OC12.
>> Each distribution has it's quirks. IMHO, YaST has been the best hardware detection tool/Linux setup program available out of all the distributions. I have to admit, the only one I have not tried is Debian. Slackware is my favorite, but as I get older and have less time, I tend not to want/desire to dick around with the system anymore. I just want it to work out of the box. SuSE does this on old hardware as well as new.
True, Suse does have good "pull it out of the box and go" support. You don't have to screw around. That was one of it's greatest features.
As far as RPM, you might be right, but I have had problems with trying to upgrade using a SuSE RPM because SuSE doesn't support the package, only to have rpm give me odd errors about things being dependent upon themselves!
BTW, I'm using an empty T1 to do the online update. It takes forever to connect to SuSE's site or it's mirrors and often the mirrors are out of date.
One of Debian's most awesome features is to upgrade all you do it type apt-get update and then apt-get dist upgrade.
So if I run SuSEConfig it will tell Yast not to screw with my changes? I did read parts of the books but I must have missed that one! Thanks for the tip.
I really wanted to try gentoo out, but I couldn't get the sucker to compile without errors. Now that same machine is running debian flawlessly.
I really truly like SuSE. It seems like a great desktop and great server OS.
With one exception... YAST!! Yast sucks. It's slow, it won't keep it's hands off your configuration and if you try to break away from it, it causes dependency hell like mad.
So I'm slowly becoming a debian convert. SuSE sure is simple to install easy to use once it's installed but waiting for yast to connect to an inconsistent mirror is just too much. Don't even try to upgrade from major version to major version through yast or the CDs (has anyone ever successfully done this?)
SuSE was definately a key stepping stone for me to get comfortable with linux, but now that I'm knowledgable enough to do most system management, it's time to move along.
I am truly impressed. There are so many old games that I would LOVE to see released like this just because they're classics. (Maxis kind of did the same by creating a java applet of the Original Sim City that will run off their site.)
Half of them are games once bought that no longer run on modern PCs. So I've already spent the money. Populous, Warcraft I, all the old sierra games, etc.
It's really nice of them to release an updated copy but I'd appreciate just releasing the source even more.
I don't mind supporting a company that does this one bit!
I'd be interested in a make and model of a high quality cordless phone.
Wouldn't bluetooth work pretty well for household cordless phones? I can't remember if the range is good enough or not.
Every cordless I buy stinks. I've stayed away from 2.4 GHz just because I don't like it fuzzing out while someone uses the microwave and all the 900 MHz phones I buy either have crappy quality or don't answer half the time when you hit the magic "talk" button.
Your analogy doesn't work here. If the USPS was setup that way, they yes, you'd have to pay a lot for all your junkmail and you'd probably jump through hoops to smash the heads of people sending it to you.
If people signed up for such a mail service, they would have to be willing ot pay the maximum amount for all the junkmail received just as they have to be willing to accept the risk that someone will abuse their bandwidth.
I mean, haven't you ever seen those posts here telling people to click on the sponsored links of spammers or companies they don't like on google? You pay per clickthrough when you advertise on google. When you signup you have the ability to set the limit of how much you're willing to pay, in this same manner, you should set your bandwidth limit according to what you're willing to pay for.
I would guess the client would pay for the charges by the virus.
In the telephone world it's easier to trace the source of the calls and go after the caller.
I would guess that a big telephone company or big ISP would be willing to drop these sorts of charges to keep customers happy, but ultimately it's still the responsibility of the customer to pay for calls/bandwidth used.
Well... How do you distinguish rouge packets vs. real packets?
In an ideal world, you could have your ISP firewall off all rouge packets. For instance, I have certain ports closed to certain countries on my ISPs end of our line. This prevents a lot of bandwidth usage.
I totally agree with everyone that it sucks to pay for the bandwidth used by viruses, spam, crackers, whatever...
The way the US has bandwidth setup with everyone else having an upstream provider, that's the way it has to be. If your server gets hit with viruses and it uses up that amount of bandwidth, your host has to pay their ISP for the amount of bandwidth used as well.
That's why there are so many lovely TOS agreements for burstable bandwidth.
Don't forget that I also pay bandwidth fees as well. I specifically chose not to do burstable because of problems such as spam and viruses and other things outside of my control and my ISPs control because indeed I would have been responsible for the charges incurred due to the bandwidth used.
So for all the people that say that spam doesn't cost ISPs money... Here's a perfect example of how it does.
I assume a portion of this spam was for people who are signed up for AOL. If this is correct, why don't ISPs (especially big ones) put hefty fines on users that they catch abusing their TOS?
Give me a break. Developers aren't helping the "U.S. go to war with Iraq" they're developing software. I'm sure terrorists somewhere have an apache webserver running, it's not like the "developers helped them become terrorists by giving them a tool to create a membership database."
Software is software, open source software shouldn't try to control who uses it (other than stopping someone else for breaking the GPL) or for what purpose.
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You can own your own domain name and switch ISPs all day and all night and keep the same email address.
You can own your own IP block as well. Although costly, it might not be so costly with IPv6.
Cell companies have such a monopoly because I can't switch carriers and keep the same cell number.
I can do this with my residential number though.
Anyone know if this will be changing in the future?
Or wait 12 weeks for suse to release most of it on their mirrors. Then wait another 12 weeks to get connected and download it even if you have an OC12.
Oh well. Right up there with Xybernaught
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Each distribution has it's quirks. IMHO, YaST has been the best hardware detection tool/Linux setup program available out of all the distributions. I have to admit, the only one I have not tried is Debian. Slackware is my favorite, but as I get older and have less time, I tend not to want/desire to dick around with the system anymore. I just want it to work out of the box. SuSE does this on old hardware as well as new.
True, Suse does have good "pull it out of the box and go" support. You don't have to screw around. That was one of it's greatest features.
As far as RPM, you might be right, but I have had problems with trying to upgrade using a SuSE RPM because SuSE doesn't support the package, only to have rpm give me odd errors about things being dependent upon themselves!
BTW, I'm using an empty T1 to do the online update. It takes forever to connect to SuSE's site or it's mirrors and often the mirrors are out of date.
One of Debian's most awesome features is to upgrade all you do it type apt-get update and then apt-get dist upgrade.
So if I run SuSEConfig it will tell Yast not to screw with my changes? I did read parts of the books but I must have missed that one! Thanks for the tip.
I really wanted to try gentoo out, but I couldn't get the sucker to compile without errors. Now that same machine is running debian flawlessly.
I really truly like SuSE. It seems like a great desktop and great server OS.
With one exception... YAST!! Yast sucks. It's slow, it won't keep it's hands off your configuration and if you try to break away from it, it causes dependency hell like mad.
So I'm slowly becoming a debian convert.
SuSE sure is simple to install easy to use once it's installed but waiting for yast to connect to an inconsistent mirror is just too much. Don't even try to upgrade from major version to major version through yast or the CDs (has anyone ever successfully done this?)
SuSE was definately a key stepping stone for me to get comfortable with linux, but now that I'm knowledgable enough to do most system management, it's time to move along.
Praystation 3
It runs on love!
It only leads to more problems. Email should never cost per email. I can only imagine the fraudulent behavior that would follow.
I think overtime GNUcash will become the ultimate accounting tool. I can see it really taking off big.
I am truly impressed. There are so many old games that I would LOVE to see released like this just because they're classics. (Maxis kind of did the same by creating a java applet of the Original Sim City that will run off their site.)
Half of them are games once bought that no longer run on modern PCs. So I've already spent the money. Populous, Warcraft I, all the old sierra games, etc.
It's really nice of them to release an updated copy but I'd appreciate just releasing the source even more.
I don't mind supporting a company that does this one bit!
Way to go guys!
I'd be interested in a make and model of a high quality cordless phone.
Wouldn't bluetooth work pretty well for household cordless phones? I can't remember if the range is good enough or not.
Every cordless I buy stinks. I've stayed away from 2.4 GHz just because I don't like it fuzzing out while someone uses the microwave and all the 900 MHz phones I buy either have crappy quality or don't answer half the time when you hit the magic "talk" button.
Does anyone have a high quality recommendation?
Kyocera 6035.
Of course they've got a huge battery on it since it's a PDA/cell.
I didn't think about it and I didn't realize that anonymous people would think that I was a greedy money lover.
It's a completely different system.
Your analogy doesn't work here. If the USPS was setup that way, they yes, you'd have to pay a lot for all your junkmail and you'd probably jump through hoops to smash the heads of people sending it to you.
If people signed up for such a mail service, they would have to be willing ot pay the maximum amount for all the junkmail received just as they have to be willing to accept the risk that someone will abuse their bandwidth.
I mean, haven't you ever seen those posts here telling people to click on the sponsored links of spammers or companies they don't like on google? You pay per clickthrough when you advertise on google. When you signup you have the ability to set the limit of how much you're willing to pay, in this same manner, you should set your bandwidth limit according to what you're willing to pay for.
I would guess the client would pay for the charges by the virus.
In the telephone world it's easier to trace the source of the calls and go after the caller.
I would guess that a big telephone company or big ISP would be willing to drop these sorts of charges to keep customers happy, but ultimately it's still the responsibility of the customer to pay for calls/bandwidth used.
Well... How do you distinguish rouge packets vs. real packets?
In an ideal world, you could have your ISP firewall off all rouge packets. For instance, I have certain ports closed to certain countries on my ISPs end of our line. This prevents a lot of bandwidth usage.
I totally agree with everyone that it sucks to pay for the bandwidth used by viruses, spam, crackers, whatever...
The way the US has bandwidth setup with everyone else having an upstream provider, that's the way it has to be. If your server gets hit with viruses and it uses up that amount of bandwidth, your host has to pay their ISP for the amount of bandwidth used as well.
That's why there are so many lovely TOS agreements for burstable bandwidth.
BTW, I don't charge my customers for the bandwidth used. So I guess I'm not such a "greedy, thoughtless bastard" afterall.
Well Mr. Anonymous,
Don't forget that I also pay bandwidth fees as well. I specifically chose not to do burstable because of problems such as spam and viruses and other things outside of my control and my ISPs control because indeed I would have been responsible for the charges incurred due to the bandwidth used.
So for all the people that say that spam doesn't cost ISPs money... Here's a perfect example of how it does.
It sucks for them, but it's their server on the net and their responsibility to pay for the bandwidth used.
As the owner of a small hosting company, I can assure you that spam costs us money.
Money for bandwidth.
Money to pay an employee to research blocking it so that it doesn't take up as much bandwidth.
Money to explain to the clueless end user that the spam didn't originate from our systems.
Maybe it doesn't hurt the big boys, but for all the "mom and pop" ISPs, there are REAL consequences.
I assume a portion of this spam was for people who are signed up for AOL. If this is correct, why don't ISPs (especially big ones) put hefty fines on users that they catch abusing their TOS?
Way to go AOL.
Our big web applications contain backdoors until we are paid for our work.
Usually these backdoors consists of running scripts to delete the database and/or code.
We've got it all backed up on our end, so it's simply a form of having control until we are paid without needing to go the legal route.
I think the only "crime" spike you'll see is the number of copies available on gnutella!
Give me a break. Developers aren't helping the "U.S. go to war with Iraq" they're developing software. I'm sure terrorists somewhere have an apache webserver running, it's not like the "developers helped them become terrorists by giving them a tool to create a membership database."
Software is software, open source software shouldn't try to control who uses it (other than stopping someone else for breaking the GPL) or for what purpose.
I'm really surprised that a company as "prestigious" as Sears is sending spam. I would have been interested in seeing the full headers.