Assuming you aren't a drug dealer who's gonna use the phone for 24 hours then dump it, they don't need your name. They have the names of some of the people you call, and information about where you go. From that, they can figure out who you are.
They don't have any way to tie you to the specific phone that way.
Yeah. Because a phone that's been used to call your Mom, your job, your Wife, your girlfriend, your bank and your favorite dealer will be virtually impossible to tie to you.
Existing laws can easily be changed. Especially if there's lots of money to be made. Besides, they'll tell you all about it somewhere in the 6th page of fine print on your cell phone contract.
In some jurisdictions you can't call it a "Paddy Wagon" in police documentation / reports because it's considered a slur against Irish people. It comes from the slang for Irish, plus the stereotype that police are typically/historically/whatever Irish.
Would their problems be over? If it's something NK can produce, then it's a matter of a clever trick, not sophistocated technology. If they sold one to anyone else, then the secret gets out, and the game is over. If they don't sell one to anyone else, all they can sell is electrical power. And transmission technology limits how much and how far you could sell infinitely cheap power until it becomes cheaper to just generate it locally with Coal. Even if it's true, it seems kind of like a cave-man with a steam engine. It doesn't really solve all their problems.
Makes you wonder what would happen then. I'm guessing a small nuke would go off in their research area, which the west would blame on their own experiments. At the same time, all nations of moderate or higher economic means would dump research into the subject under the idea that "if North Korea could do it, so can we".
But at some point, shouldn't all the planets be on this side of Saturn? That is, if Saturn is on one side of the sun, and all the other planets happen to be on the other? This should eventually happen if none of their orbits is a multiple of another.
I wonder how much the liability insurance of a liquor store would increase if people were encouraged to drink at the store then go hit the climbing wall.
Probably not too much. They've already got parking lots...I'll take a drunk on a wall over a drunk in a '84 Diplomat any day of the week.
No trolling at all, although perhaps I should have spoken differently. "Most of the successful _mandatory_ whitelists..."
Signed packages or drivers are one thing if there's an easy way to install unsigned packages or drivers. Ubuntu or Microsoft is giving something an endorsement. Nothing more. But the iPhone, when used as Apple intends, forces average users to limit themselves to the whitelist. Apple has gone beyond this, and is acting as the Governor of their device. Whether or not this is a good thing is up for discussion.
I think it's natural to assume that anyone advocating a "whitelist" approach to applications would simultaneously advocate an option to voluntarily opt out of that process
Not at all. Most of the more successful whitelists in history have been the product of either Government or Organized Religion. Neither of which is particularly interested in having you "opt out". Some people will support these mandatory whitelists if they feel that the value of the law and order they provide outweighs the value of the loss of freedom. Even some current iPhone users would be against an opt-out system if they thought it would disrupt the highly controlled ecosystem they're comfortable in.
Sure. But having an app that you chose to install compromise your privacy is still a far cry from ending up with a root-kit that encrypts your data for ransom and steals your credit cards because you followed a link in a forum to a site that had been compromised without the host owner's knowlege.
I don't think anyone, even whitelist proponents, would say that whitelist guarantees privacy or security. Rather they'd say that at least there's someone making an effort to enforce a consistent set of rules.
Then don't install them. Bust into the device. Do it. Explore to your heart's content, and seek true happiness. But if something Apple does messes up the device after you did something they told you not to do in the first place, then so be it. Either be a bad-ass who breaks the rules and goes off on your own, or don't. Those of us who live on the edge expect to bleed sometimes.
Or, just buy an open platform like Android to begin with.
I think the whole Android / iPhone situation is interesting. Basically, it's put-up or shut-up time for Open Source. With the Droid we finally have not only a platform that can go head-to-head with the big corporations, we also have real marketing and advertising budgets to go with it. Personally, I'd like to see the iPhone remain totally closed and controlled. This represents the greatest chance we have to show the general public why they should care about Free Software and open platforms.
Putting aside the whole "You should", "You shouldn't" be able to Jailbreak the thing, I think it's interesting that we finally have a whitelisted platform. For years and years, whenever we have a security discussion on Slashdot, someone inevitablely says
"You can never succeed trying to filter out all the bad stuff. You need a whitelist of the good stuff."
But then someone else always says
"But who creates the whitelist?"
And both get modded +5 insightful. In this case, Apple created the Whitelist that all the security people say we need. And applied it to a whole platform. They apparently do code reviews, and enforce proper usage of the API.
Personally, if I had an iPhone, I'd jailbreak it. But I like the idea that I can give one to my Mom, let her get apps off the app store, and not have to de-gunk the malware every 3 months like I do with her PC.
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Back in my day,
And whatever you do, for God's sake, don't start your attempt to get him to start coding with "Back in my day".
How do you get a kid into coding? Guess.
Keep him from interacting with girls?
I know. If only you hadn't crashed your SUV, that probably would have worked out for you.
Assuming you aren't a drug dealer who's gonna use the phone for 24 hours then dump it, they don't need your name. They have the names of some of the people you call, and information about where you go. From that, they can figure out who you are.
I was preaching to them about Jesus! Honest!
They don't have any way to tie you to the specific phone that way.
Yeah. Because a phone that's been used to call your Mom, your job, your Wife, your girlfriend, your bank and your favorite dealer will be virtually impossible to tie to you.
Existing laws can easily be changed. Especially if there's lots of money to be made. Besides, they'll tell you all about it somewhere in the 6th page of fine print on your cell phone contract.
everyone wants DVD or bluray.
You must be new here.
Yes. But we're doing it to be ironic. That makes it ok.
In some jurisdictions you can't call it a "Paddy Wagon" in police documentation / reports because it's considered a slur against Irish people. It comes from the slang for Irish, plus the stereotype that police are typically/historically/whatever Irish.
Maybe I missed one, but wasn't it only gigantic for small values of gigantic?
How is not laughing at this press release going to solve those problems?
Would their problems be over? If it's something NK can produce, then it's a matter of a clever trick, not sophistocated technology. If they sold one to anyone else, then the secret gets out, and the game is over. If they don't sell one to anyone else, all they can sell is electrical power. And transmission technology limits how much and how far you could sell infinitely cheap power until it becomes cheaper to just generate it locally with Coal. Even if it's true, it seems kind of like a cave-man with a steam engine. It doesn't really solve all their problems.
Do you have any idea how many Harley Davidson's that would cost?
Makes you wonder what would happen then. I'm guessing a small nuke would go off in their research area, which the west would blame on their own experiments. At the same time, all nations of moderate or higher economic means would dump research into the subject under the idea that "if North Korea could do it, so can we".
But at some point, shouldn't all the planets be on this side of Saturn? That is, if Saturn is on one side of the sun, and all the other planets happen to be on the other? This should eventually happen if none of their orbits is a multiple of another.
Wow so where exactly does it say government officials have to regulate every thing about our lives?
The commerce clause? But ya gotta look at it real squinty-eyed.
I wonder how much the liability insurance of a liquor store would increase if people were encouraged to drink at the store then go hit the climbing wall.
Probably not too much. They've already got parking lots...I'll take a drunk on a wall over a drunk in a '84 Diplomat any day of the week.
No trolling at all, although perhaps I should have spoken differently. "Most of the successful _mandatory_ whitelists..."
Signed packages or drivers are one thing if there's an easy way to install unsigned packages or drivers. Ubuntu or Microsoft is giving something an endorsement. Nothing more. But the iPhone, when used as Apple intends, forces average users to limit themselves to the whitelist. Apple has gone beyond this, and is acting as the Governor of their device. Whether or not this is a good thing is up for discussion.
I think it's natural to assume that anyone advocating a "whitelist" approach to applications would simultaneously advocate an option to voluntarily opt out of that process
Not at all. Most of the more successful whitelists in history have been the product of either Government or Organized Religion. Neither of which is particularly interested in having you "opt out". Some people will support these mandatory whitelists if they feel that the value of the law and order they provide outweighs the value of the loss of freedom. Even some current iPhone users would be against an opt-out system if they thought it would disrupt the highly controlled ecosystem they're comfortable in.
Sure. But having an app that you chose to install compromise your privacy is still a far cry from ending up with a root-kit that encrypts your data for ransom and steals your credit cards because you followed a link in a forum to a site that had been compromised without the host owner's knowlege.
I don't think anyone, even whitelist proponents, would say that whitelist guarantees privacy or security. Rather they'd say that at least there's someone making an effort to enforce a consistent set of rules.
Then don't install them. Bust into the device. Do it. Explore to your heart's content, and seek true happiness. But if something Apple does messes up the device after you did something they told you not to do in the first place, then so be it. Either be a bad-ass who breaks the rules and goes off on your own, or don't. Those of us who live on the edge expect to bleed sometimes.
Or, just buy an open platform like Android to begin with.
I think the whole Android / iPhone situation is interesting. Basically, it's put-up or shut-up time for Open Source. With the Droid we finally have not only a platform that can go head-to-head with the big corporations, we also have real marketing and advertising budgets to go with it. Personally, I'd like to see the iPhone remain totally closed and controlled. This represents the greatest chance we have to show the general public why they should care about Free Software and open platforms.
Putting aside the whole "You should", "You shouldn't" be able to Jailbreak the thing, I think it's interesting that we finally have a whitelisted platform. For years and years, whenever we have a security discussion on Slashdot, someone inevitablely says
"You can never succeed trying to filter out all the bad stuff. You need a whitelist of the good stuff."
But then someone else always says
"But who creates the whitelist?"
And both get modded +5 insightful. In this case, Apple created the Whitelist that all the security people say we need. And applied it to a whole platform. They apparently do code reviews, and enforce proper usage of the API.
Personally, if I had an iPhone, I'd jailbreak it. But I like the idea that I can give one to my Mom, let her get apps off the app store, and not have to de-gunk the malware every 3 months like I do with her PC.
Yeah, but people don't use them for the original intended purpose, so the company doesn't really talk about it. Hitachi is in the same boat.