But I for one don't think it's ethical of them to force others to release their source code. That goes against the whole concept of making something Free, in my opinion.
For fuck's sake. Really. That is the whole concept of making something Free. Doesn't go against the concept, doesn't sit uneasily with it.Is it.
Free Software is *sharing*, with the one attached string that the beneficiary also must share any additions.
Open Source, OTOH, is simple sharing - anyone may use OSS code in their project.
Even the author of the Forbes article gets it. Hell, even Microsoft get this. Pay some damn attention to the licences that come with your software, and if you don't like it, fuck off. Don't whinge later that you shouldn't have to comply with the licence - it's the same deal with Commercial, Open or Free software: comply with the licensing terms, or don't. Your choice.
And if you think what the FSF do is not ethical, imagine what would happen if Cisco were using code seen under this licence, in violation of said, in a commercial product. Would it be ethical for MS Legal to have a "friendly chat" with Cisco?
why on Earth wouldn't Sun have the same irrevocable license that IBM had?
Because IBM is bigger than Sun, and always has been? Because IBM has more (better?) lawyers?
Or maybe because IBM was on the other side to AT&T and Sun in the UNIX Wars? Sun used the AT&T code for Sun OS (as was), with IBM, HP and DEC developing OSF, in competiton with AT&T and Sun? Maybe the history has something to input on all this...
Well sure, if you want to an AIX box like the p630 Model 6E4 for a list price of $16k, or the IntelliStation POWER 275...
I think the above poster might have been interested in IBM 970 kit, as Big Blue's still shipping POWER3-II's in the blade "space".
Also, a 970 is not a POWER4 - 0.5 MB vs 1.5 MB L2 cache, 0 MB vs 8 MB L3, dual- vs single-core, no Altivec on Power4, 1.8 vs 1.4 GHz max (currently shipping) freq, 0.13 um vs 0.18 um, decreased MTBF on the 970 to make it faster... &c.
This is an frontal attack on the company and it's policies.
They hope to make it more profitable for the company to sell windows than linux, thereby killing off another competitor.
Looks like they've already suceeded: Lindow Man is "the only prehistoric person who survives in Britain"!
To be slightly pedantic, can't anyone get the name of the company right?
It's even written on all their press releases, including the one linked to from Slashdot earlier today: Note to reporters, editors and writers: VIA is written in ALL CAPS!
This is so true. I'm sitting here at a machine with 2GB of RAM, and the others on my desk have 512MB (bought Mar '99) and 640MB (Nov '00) - even the 18 month old laptop has 256MB. I'd give it a year or so before we start buying 4GB, mid-range, x86 boxen. Especially now Micron and Samsung are producing 4GB DIMMs!
Hmm. Yes, the K7 has gone from 500MHz to 2250MHz over its lifespan so far - but Intel's P6 core went from 150Mhz PPro to 1400MHz PIII.
Looks to me like they could still have plenty of room to play.
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From the article:
Before we tossed it in the trash, I decided to try and power it up just for kicks, and it worked! The machine booted just fine! The screen is cracked and broken, but if you plug in an external monitor and keyboard it works like a charm. Ethernet, Modem, USB, Optical Drive, and HD all work just fine. I have already reformatted the HD and installed Mac OS 10.2.
Did no one at the store think to call this lady and tell her? Don't you think she might have wanted her machine back if she knew it still booted? At least so she could get her data off...
Does anyone know if it's possible to get a Voodoo2 running Glide or OpenGL apps accelerated under XFree 4?
I'd love to check it out, but I need my Quake3 and Unreal Tournament to work. Looking at the release notes, there's a fb-like Glide driver for running X on these devices, but no mention of 3D acceleration.
I'm already kinda missing the 3D accel under XFree on my work box (Rage Pro) since going from XFree 3.3.6 + UtahGLX to 4.0.3, but I couldn't cope with that at home. It seems the DRI people aren't going to support 3 year old cards such as these any time ever, which is sad.
From the file `readme.msr' inclded in the downloadable zip file:
This release contains:
Fnord! Server version 1.0.0.23 (Feb 10 97) sources to which we have
made MSRIPv6 modifications.
A new Makefile for building Fnord! Server in the MSRIPv6 environment.
Precompiled compressed executables (fnord.ex_ and fnordnt.ex_) built
with MSRIPv6 defined.
All of the IPv6 related Microsoft Research modifications to the Fnord!
Server sources are contained within #ifdef MSRIPv6 contructs. In addition,
we made a few minor changes to allow the sources to compile using Microsoft
Visual C++ and wrote a Makefile for building the executable (the original
author apparantly used the Borland IDE). The Makefile we've included
defines MSRIPv6. If MSRIPv6 is NOT defined, these sources will build a
IPv4 version of Fnord! Server.
um, **because they had to**? This is the whole damn point of the GPL: if you take and modify GPLed software you must license any release under the GPL or a fully compatible license.
When will people understand this? It's really not difficult.
Depends what you're doing. Personally, I normally have between 2 and 4 emacs windows open, at least 5 xterms, a couple of gv windows, and the gimp, plus a minimised netscape mail and sticky xmms and a load monitor. That fills about 4 virtual desktops at 1600x1200. Throw in some debugging work and I'd be having to go to my 6th virtual desktop to even see those icons.
Course, if you're just surfing for pron, I guess a dialer icon and a netscape icon would be great...
Icon's are annoying, and no use to me if I can't see them. If I can see them, they're just hiding my backdrop some more.
Icons on the desktop like in Windoze? Oh god no. I've been using xfce for over 2 years now and have seen it come on greatly, while still remaining lightweight, fast and easy to use. Olivier's done a great job bringing a CDEish interface to GNU/Linux, and keeping it portable - it was the first window manager we found that would compile on our alphas and run as a child of the ssh-agent back then, so I've really got a soft spot for it.
Everyone using the bloated Gnome or KDE that came with their distro should try it, just for a week. It's even better that AfterStep....
Does anyone know why we don't have a VeriSign compliant secure e-mail program in Linux?
No. But I think that I know that we do have a VeriSign compliant secure e-mail program in Linux... And if we do, where the heck is it? http://www.netscape.com
Well, I do parallel F90 development, and the only debugger worth the name that I've come across is Totalview from Etnus. Supports C++ on Linux and the tech support's pretty good. Free trial version too.
... but it's worse than ever. I just got it from a mirror site and the installer crashes with:
[root@hell netscape-installer]#./netscape-installer
Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x3169)!
Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to:0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[root@hell netscape-installer]#
At least the 4.x series installed before it crashed..........
I modified the config.ini to point to local (UK) FTP mirrors in case of the/. effect. I even tried grabbing the whole lot and putting it up on my own FTP server, but no joy. Has anyone actually got this to work??
I don't care that they've dropped SPARC support. Having put 7.0 on my home K6 box, there's no way this distro was going anywhere near my SS2 or my work box.
After using RedHat from the 4.2 days, I've now started to defect. I've got Slackware on my 486 again, and I've been thinking about trying Debian on the Sparc.
sorry to shout, but has anyone posting here other than Lionfire actually read the article properly? This technology is not about having video screens on paper (how would that work?). It's just about using a similar process to inkjet printing for making flat-panel displays. Sure, the headline is misleading, but please - can we all stop, read, post? --
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But I for one don't think it's ethical of them to force others to release their source code. That goes against the whole concept of making something Free, in my opinion.
For fuck's sake. Really. That is the whole concept of making something Free. Doesn't go against the concept, doesn't sit uneasily with it.Is it.
Free Software is *sharing*, with the one attached string that the beneficiary also must share any additions.
Open Source, OTOH, is simple sharing - anyone may use OSS code in their project.
Even the author of the Forbes article gets it. Hell, even Microsoft get this. Pay some damn attention to the licences that come with your software, and if you don't like it, fuck off. Don't whinge later that you shouldn't have to comply with the licence - it's the same deal with Commercial, Open or Free software: comply with the licensing terms, or don't. Your choice.
And if you think what the FSF do is not ethical, imagine what would happen if Cisco were using code seen under this licence, in violation of said, in a commercial product. Would it be ethical for MS Legal to have a "friendly chat" with Cisco?
why on Earth wouldn't Sun have the same irrevocable license that IBM had?
Because IBM is bigger than Sun, and always has been?
Because IBM has more (better?) lawyers?
Or maybe because IBM was on the other side to AT&T and Sun in the UNIX Wars? Sun used the AT&T code for Sun OS (as was), with IBM, HP and DEC developing OSF, in competiton with AT&T and Sun?
Maybe the history has something to input on all this...
> They've been out awhile.
Well sure, if you want to an AIX box like the p630 Model 6E4 for a list price of $16k, or the IntelliStation POWER 275...
I think the above poster might have been interested in IBM 970 kit, as Big Blue's still shipping POWER3-II's in the blade "space".
Also, a 970 is not a POWER4 - 0.5 MB vs 1.5 MB L2 cache, 0 MB vs 8 MB L3, dual- vs single-core, no Altivec on Power4, 1.8 vs 1.4 GHz max (currently shipping) freq, 0.13 um vs 0.18 um, decreased MTBF on the 970 to make it faster... &c.
Very true, but of course we want them to be at least a bit crap: no-one would want to play against a machine that always thrashed them...
BTW, Takeshi Kurakami lost 6-0 in August 1997, just 3 months after Deep Blue had beaten Kasparov 3.5-2.5
Hmm, Deep Blue ran under AIX - maybe the whole "stop shipping or using AIX" thing is an ex-Soviet plot???
This is an frontal attack on the company and it's policies.
They hope to make it more profitable for the company to sell windows than linux, thereby killing off another competitor.
Looks like they've already suceeded: Lindow Man is "the only prehistoric person who survives in Britain"!
To be slightly pedantic, can't anyone get the name of the company right?
It's even written on all their press releases, including the one linked to from Slashdot earlier today:
Note to reporters, editors and writers: VIA is written in ALL CAPS!
The days of 4G machines are NOT far off.
This is so true. I'm sitting here at a machine with 2GB of RAM, and the others on my desk have 512MB (bought Mar '99) and 640MB (Nov '00) - even the 18 month old laptop has 256MB. I'd give it a year or so before we start buying 4GB, mid-range, x86 boxen. Especially now Micron and Samsung are producing 4GB DIMMs!
Hmm. Yes, the K7 has gone from 500MHz to 2250MHz over its lifespan so far - but Intel's P6 core went from 150Mhz PPro to 1400MHz PIII.
Looks to me like they could still have plenty of room to play.
From the article:
Before we tossed it in the trash, I decided to try and power it up just for kicks, and it worked! The machine booted just fine! The screen is cracked and broken, but if you plug in an external monitor and keyboard it works like a charm. Ethernet, Modem, USB, Optical Drive, and HD all work just fine. I have already reformatted the HD and installed Mac OS 10.2.
Did no one at the store think to call this lady and tell her? Don't you think she might have wanted her machine back if she knew it still booted? At least so she could get her data off...
Yeah, but it helps out those saddos who only ever read /.
BTW, the New Scientist article is here
Does anyone know if it's possible to get a Voodoo2 running Glide or OpenGL apps accelerated under XFree 4?
I'd love to check it out, but I need my Quake3 and Unreal Tournament to work. Looking at the release notes, there's a fb-like Glide driver for running X on these devices, but no mention of 3D acceleration.
I'm already kinda missing the 3D accel under XFree on my work box (Rage Pro) since going from XFree 3.3.6 + UtahGLX to 4.0.3, but I couldn't cope with that at home. It seems the DRI people aren't going to support 3 year old cards such as these any time ever, which is sad.
Yes, you're missing something.
From the file `readme.msr' inclded in the downloadable zip file:
This release contains:
Fnord! Server version 1.0.0.23 (Feb 10 97) sources to which we have
made MSRIPv6 modifications.
A new Makefile for building Fnord! Server in the MSRIPv6 environment.
Precompiled compressed executables (fnord.ex_ and fnordnt.ex_) built
with MSRIPv6 defined.
All of the IPv6 related Microsoft Research modifications to the Fnord!
Server sources are contained within #ifdef MSRIPv6 contructs. In addition,
we made a few minor changes to allow the sources to compile using Microsoft
Visual C++ and wrote a Makefile for building the executable (the original
author apparantly used the Borland IDE). The Makefile we've included
defines MSRIPv6. If MSRIPv6 is NOT defined, these sources will build a
IPv4 version of Fnord! Server.
why release it under GPL?
um, **because they had to**? This is the whole damn point of the GPL: if you take and modify GPLed software you must license any release under the GPL or a fully compatible license.
When will people understand this? It's really not difficult.
Depends what you're doing. Personally, I normally have between 2 and 4 emacs windows open, at least 5 xterms, a couple of gv windows, and the gimp, plus a minimised netscape mail and sticky xmms and a load monitor. That fills about 4 virtual desktops at 1600x1200. Throw in some debugging work and I'd be having to go to my 6th virtual desktop to even see those icons.
Course, if you're just surfing for pron, I guess a dialer icon and a netscape icon would be great...
Icon's are annoying, and no use to me if I can't see them. If I can see them, they're just hiding my backdrop some more.
Icons on the desktop like in Windoze? Oh god no. I've been using xfce for over 2 years now and have seen it come on greatly, while still remaining lightweight, fast and easy to use. Olivier's done a great job bringing a CDEish interface to GNU/Linux, and keeping it portable - it was the first window manager we found that would compile on our alphas and run as a child of the ssh-agent back then, so I've really got a soft spot for it.
Everyone using the bloated Gnome or KDE that came with their distro should try it, just for a week. It's even better that AfterStep....
This *should* seem familiar - THIS STORY WAS POSTED ON SLASHDOT only 18 days ago. Before the fucking NY Times article.
/. has finally gone completely up it's own arse, and "timothy" should be taken outside and shot.
Does anyone know why we don't have a VeriSign compliant secure e-mail program in Linux?
No. But I think that I know that we do have a VeriSign compliant secure e-mail program in Linux...
And if we do, where the heck is it?
http://www.netscape.com
Well, I do parallel F90 development, and the only debugger worth the name that I've come across is Totalview from Etnus. Supports C++ on Linux and the tech support's pretty good. Free trial version too.
... but it's worse than ever. I just got it from a mirror site and the installer crashes with:
./netscape-installer :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
/. effect. I even tried grabbing the whole lot and putting it up on my own FTP server, but no joy. Has anyone actually got this to work??
[root@hell netscape-installer]#
Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x3169)!
Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to
[root@hell netscape-installer]#
At least the 4.x series installed before it crashed..........
I modified the config.ini to point to local (UK) FTP mirrors in case of the
I don't know about the Transmeta CPUs, but it seems that AMD's embedded processors do play nice with Linux.
Details are on the AMD site.
...and hopefully for the European space agency too. I wanted to go to space since I was 4.....
I don't care that they've dropped SPARC support. Having put 7.0 on my home K6 box, there's no way this distro was going anywhere near my SS2 or my work box.
After using RedHat from the 4.2 days, I've now started to defect. I've got Slackware on my 486 again, and I've been thinking about trying Debian on the Sparc.
RedHat has got just too clunky.
sorry to shout, but has anyone posting here other than Lionfire actually read the article properly? This technology is not about having video screens on paper (how would that work?). It's just about using a similar process to inkjet printing for making flat-panel displays. Sure, the headline is misleading, but please - can we all stop, read, post?
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The biggest problem has been trying to explain non-tech people that encryption does not prevent copying.
I find an analogy helpful: "Just because something's written in a foreign language you don't understand, doesn't mean you can't photocopy it."
I'd like to contribute to a defence fund too...