19. After Plaintiff ANTHONY MITCHELL refused to allow the police to enter his home, the De-fendant police officers, including Defendants SERGEANT MICHAEL WALLER, OFFICER DAVID CAWTHORN and OFFICER CHRISTOPHER WORLEY, conspired among themselves to force AN-THONY MITCHELL out of his residence and to occupy his home for their own use. Defendant OFFICER DAVID CAWTHORN outlined the Defendants’ plan in his official report:
It was determined to move to 367 Evening Side and attempt to contact Mitchell. If Mitchell answered the door he would be asked to leave. If he refused to leave he would be arrested for Obstructing a Police Officer. If Mitchell refused to answer the door, force entry would be made and Mitchell would be arrested.
That's a nice Catch-22 you've created there, Officer. Pity about that pesky Third Amendment (plaintiff is also suing under the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments as well).
9.) Similar to 5, but without effort on your part: whenever your body dies, your point of observation connects with another permutation in which "your" body is available. 9.a) The permutation is karmic (aka heaven/hell/purgatory). 9.b) The permutation is the same, just further down the track (aka reincarnation). 9.c) The permutation is quantum discrete (aka schrodinger-style immortality). 9.d) The permutation is macroscopically discrete (aka alternate reality). 9.e) The permutation is some combination of the above (e.g. karmic reincarnation).
That's seriously a good question. The ironic answer is that the knowledge that would be sufficient to make an informed decision (as to where the line should be other than an annoyingly vague "whatever doesn't make it worse for humanity") is being withheld from us. Any actual example we could use would be based on what we already know, which isn't going to be whatever the government is still keeping secret - the good _and_ the bad.
Which puts us all between something of a rock and a hard place.
Having read this particular article, it doesn't mention any specific operations, nor any specific methods. I say "specific" because, while it does reveal that the US government is exploiting vulnerabilities in software and hardware (really not a surprise), it does not reveal specifics that would allow an enemy to distinguish between "US government exploit" and "random joe exploit".
I also found this part interesting: "The NSA designs most of its own implants, but it devoted $25.1 million this year to “additional covert purchases of software vulnerabilities” from private malware vendors, a growing gray-market industry based largely in Europe." Apparently, providing 25.1 million dollars of additional demand for unethical behaviour is now within the NSA's newest line in the sand, to go along with global warrant-less electronic surveillance of everyone including its own citizens within its own borders.
Which means here's the thing:
The US government crossed its constitutional line under a veil of secrecy from its own people and then said: I'll keep going. Edward Snowden crossed his personal line under the orders of the US government and then said: I'm turning whistleblower.
So right now, I'm a lot more worried about the US government's limits than Snowden's.
What was your second reaction, after instinct subsided and you reflected on the characteristics and patterns exhibited by the authority figures as a group in such accounts?
I'll try to explain where the the US being "dicks beyond reason" comes in: a human being was isolated and interrogated, his requests for water (having not eaten or drank since the previous day) refused, before finally being released in a state of dehydrated shock and nervous terror, and there was no apology.
Yes, it sucks that there are fanatics out there who will joyfully plow airplanes into buildings. But the United States Government is the most powerful superpower on the whole damn planet, the least it could do is say "sorry" and mean it.
Cat "11" - winds in excess of 439 km/hour. Unless you're Superman, flying is probably not recommended.
Cat "12+" - the highest wind speeds ever recorded on Earth occur in tornadoes; doppler radar has measured speeds exceeding 500km/hr in the tornado's trunk (speeds at the tornado's base are difficult to measure due to its tendency to destroy the instruments).
Cat "16" - the highest wind speeds ever recorded on a planetary body clock in at 620 km/hour, in Jupiter's "Little Red Storm" (well, as of 2008 anyway, there's probably more recent data somewhere).
Cat "35" - the speed of sound at Earth's current sea level - Mach 1 - is roughly 1225 km/hour at Standard Sea Level conditions.
If a small crime should be excused because it exposes a larger crime, then wouldn't this open the door for expanded police investigative powers such as searching without a warrant?
No, it would not (at least, in a sane and rational world). The former is a judicial process ("I had to shoot him in self-defence" "you can explain it to the judge"), while the latter is a legislative process ("I want the power to search without a warrant" "you can explain it to Congress"). In the United States of America, the legislative and judicial powers are (theoretically supposed to be) independent of each other.
The law is not written such that it will look the other way as long as the person committing the crime is a good guy or had good motives or has a lot of media attention.
In theory, the law is written such that it should look with understanding and leniency upon the actions of a person based on their good intentions, motivations and extenuating circumstances. If you take my car without permission so you can rush a critically injured child to hospital, should you be given the same sentence as another who takes my car without permission so they can go for a joyride? It's still grand theft auto - "technically illegal" - after all.
But in practice? Well, you might want to read about a US officer named William Calley and decide for yourself. He was originally sentenced to life imprisonment and hard labor at Fort Leavenworth for ordering the execution of five hundred or so men, women and children in a village during the Vietnam War. In the end he served less than four years under house arrest before receiving a presidential pardon; not because he didn't do it - he indeed did do it - but because of the surrounding coverup etcetera and the media attention that ensued when news got out. "Of the 26 officers and soldiers initially charged for their part in the My Lai Massacre or the subsequent cover-up, only Calley was convicted."
So if Second Lieutenant Calley can directly order, and then partake in, the execution of five hundred civilians, including unarmed elderly and infants, and end up serving less than four years under house arrest before being pardoned (by Nixon, ironically) due in part to media attention as to how his actions were covered up, while the others involved in the massacre and subsequent coverup are let off, what punishment should Private Manning receive for illegally leaking classified documents with the intent of exposing those same sorts of crimes and coverups?
Yes, and in the dev talk they say that's where they drew part of their inspiration from; the "lore" is basically that the Crusaders are an offshoot/subgroup of the original Paladins.
On the other hand he was probably unlucky in confiding with wikileaks instead of a journalist though. A journalist would have sifted through the data and published the relevant stuff.
Not to forget, lie detector test have zero impact on psychopaths, so basically the worst of the worst will pass, kind of making the lie detector scam pointless,
Actually, that would be worse than pointless: such a false negative bias (all psychopaths pass, some non-psychopaths do not pass) would increase the ratio of psychopathy in those organizations. Then look at the organisations that use the test: defence, security and intelligence agencies.
Aesop version: We chickens, afraid of being attacked by foxes, have been hiring snakes.
Speaking as a complete layperson in the field, what about those people who remain mentally sharp in their elder years? We don't all succumb to senility etc.
Also, even if we eliminated aging, I seem to recall statistics on death by accidental causes would still limit us to an average lifespan of four hundred years or so.
Um, I know I'm just some foreigner who couldn't possibly grok the finer points of American politics, but what difference does the GP's political orientation make when we're discussing _WILLINGLY_ voting for _EVIL_?
The statement itself, after all, makes no declaration of partisanship and does not attribute the quality of evil to any particular political organisation, American or otherwise.
There's a pre-error PNG of the drawing sample and a pre-error TIF of the number table sample they used in the original article. Perhaps try scanning printouts of them, it appears to be how some of the readers are reproducing the error?
The blog's also had a few updates, indicating affected models known so far and a possible workaround.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/07/anthony-mitchell-lawsuit-third-amendment-_n_3557431.html
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/henderson.pdf - Case 2:13-cv-01154-APG-CWH United States District Court District of Nevada
19. After Plaintiff ANTHONY MITCHELL refused to allow the police to enter his home, the De-fendant police officers, including Defendants SERGEANT MICHAEL WALLER, OFFICER DAVID CAWTHORN and OFFICER CHRISTOPHER WORLEY, conspired among themselves to force AN-THONY MITCHELL out of his residence and to occupy his home for their own use. Defendant OFFICER DAVID CAWTHORN outlined the Defendants’ plan in his official report:
It was determined to move to 367 Evening Side and attempt to contact Mitchell. If Mitchell answered the door he would be asked to leave. If he refused to leave he would be arrested for Obstructing a Police Officer. If Mitchell refused to answer the door, force entry would be made and Mitchell would be arrested.
That's a nice Catch-22 you've created there, Officer. Pity about that pesky Third Amendment (plaintiff is also suing under the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments as well).
9.) Similar to 5, but without effort on your part: whenever your body dies, your point of observation connects with another permutation in which "your" body is available.
9.a) The permutation is karmic (aka heaven/hell/purgatory).
9.b) The permutation is the same, just further down the track (aka reincarnation).
9.c) The permutation is quantum discrete (aka schrodinger-style immortality).
9.d) The permutation is macroscopically discrete (aka alternate reality).
9.e) The permutation is some combination of the above (e.g. karmic reincarnation).
Anyone else?
That's seriously a good question. The ironic answer is that the knowledge that would be sufficient to make an informed decision (as to where the line should be other than an annoyingly vague "whatever doesn't make it worse for humanity") is being withheld from us. Any actual example we could use would be based on what we already know, which isn't going to be whatever the government is still keeping secret - the good _and_ the bad.
Which puts us all between something of a rock and a hard place.
Having read this particular article, it doesn't mention any specific operations, nor any specific methods. I say "specific" because, while it does reveal that the US government is exploiting vulnerabilities in software and hardware (really not a surprise), it does not reveal specifics that would allow an enemy to distinguish between "US government exploit" and "random joe exploit".
I also found this part interesting: "The NSA designs most of its own implants, but it devoted $25.1 million this year to “additional covert purchases of software vulnerabilities” from private malware vendors, a growing gray-market industry based largely in Europe." Apparently, providing 25.1 million dollars of additional demand for unethical behaviour is now within the NSA's newest line in the sand, to go along with global warrant-less electronic surveillance of everyone including its own citizens within its own borders.
Which means here's the thing:
The US government crossed its constitutional line under a veil of secrecy from its own people and then said: I'll keep going.
Edward Snowden crossed his personal line under the orders of the US government and then said: I'm turning whistleblower.
So right now, I'm a lot more worried about the US government's limits than Snowden's.
What was your second reaction, after instinct subsided and you reflected on the characteristics and patterns exhibited by the authority figures as a group in such accounts?
I'll try to explain where the the US being "dicks beyond reason" comes in: a human being was isolated and interrogated, his requests for water (having not eaten or drank since the previous day) refused, before finally being released in a state of dehydrated shock and nervous terror, and there was no apology.
Yes, it sucks that there are fanatics out there who will joyfully plow airplanes into buildings. But the United States Government is the most powerful superpower on the whole damn planet, the least it could do is say "sorry" and mean it.
So when your lords and masters make a mistake, it's not their fault, because they've got the power of life and death over you?
Stockholm syndrome, much?
Huh? Troll mod? Why? Some people might actually think "Fact" was meant to be taken literally. Read the link, mods!
replace "speed of sound at Earth's current sea level" with "speed of sound on Earth", sorry.
If we use a linear best fit:
Cat "11" - winds in excess of 439 km/hour. Unless you're Superman, flying is probably not recommended.
Cat "12+" - the highest wind speeds ever recorded on Earth occur in tornadoes; doppler radar has measured speeds exceeding 500km/hr in the tornado's trunk (speeds at the tornado's base are difficult to measure due to its tendency to destroy the instruments).
Cat "16" - the highest wind speeds ever recorded on a planetary body clock in at 620 km/hour, in Jupiter's "Little Red Storm" (well, as of 2008 anyway, there's probably more recent data somewhere).
Cat "35" - the speed of sound at Earth's current sea level - Mach 1 - is roughly 1225 km/hour at Standard Sea Level conditions.
Cat "64" - winds in excess of 2136 km/h.
Cat "One Million" - the highest "wind" speeds recorded (so far) in the universe clock in at about three percent of the speed of light: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/chandra/multimedia/igr.html
If a small crime should be excused because it exposes a larger crime, then wouldn't this open the door for expanded police investigative powers such as searching without a warrant?
No, it would not (at least, in a sane and rational world). The former is a judicial process ("I had to shoot him in self-defence" "you can explain it to the judge"), while the latter is a legislative process ("I want the power to search without a warrant" "you can explain it to Congress"). In the United States of America, the legislative and judicial powers are (theoretically supposed to be) independent of each other.
The law is not written such that it will look the other way as long as the person committing the crime is a good guy or had good motives or has a lot of media attention.
In theory, the law is written such that it should look with understanding and leniency upon the actions of a person based on their good intentions, motivations and extenuating circumstances. If you take my car without permission so you can rush a critically injured child to hospital, should you be given the same sentence as another who takes my car without permission so they can go for a joyride? It's still grand theft auto - "technically illegal" - after all.
But in practice? Well, you might want to read about a US officer named William Calley and decide for yourself. He was originally sentenced to life imprisonment and hard labor at Fort Leavenworth for ordering the execution of five hundred or so men, women and children in a village during the Vietnam War. In the end he served less than four years under house arrest before receiving a presidential pardon; not because he didn't do it - he indeed did do it - but because of the surrounding coverup etcetera and the media attention that ensued when news got out. "Of the 26 officers and soldiers initially charged for their part in the My Lai Massacre or the subsequent cover-up, only Calley was convicted."
So if Second Lieutenant Calley can directly order, and then partake in, the execution of five hundred civilians, including unarmed elderly and infants, and end up serving less than four years under house arrest before being pardoned (by Nixon, ironically) due in part to media attention as to how his actions were covered up, while the others involved in the massacre and subsequent coverup are let off, what punishment should Private Manning receive for illegally leaking classified documents with the intent of exposing those same sorts of crimes and coverups?
(think carefully)
And what crime against humanity did he expose? oh, right none
child prostitution and trafficking
systemic kidnapping (aka "extraordinary rendition") and torture
Is that still none? Do these qualify by your standards? If not, what does?
For those with uncalibrated sarcasm meters, insert "air quotes" around the word "Fact" in the parent post.
Yes, and in the dev talk they say that's where they drew part of their inspiration from; the "lore" is basically that the Crusaders are an offshoot/subgroup of the original Paladins.
To excerpt from a post at http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4113917&cid=44632619 I suggest it serves these people:
Child prostitution -SOMEONE at Dyncorp and the US government for employing them to do so.
Blackmail -SOMEONE at Pfizer.
Smuggling -SOMEONE at Chevron.
Espionage Hilary Clinton and the State department.
Perjury - James Clapper. Illegal warrantless espionage against US citizens on US soil. And no, FISA is not looking over their shoulder.
More generally? The kind who think, "Screw the world, got mine, getting more." http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/21/business/a-shuffle-of-aluminum-but-to-banks-pure-gold.html
The vast majority of what Manning released were mundane secrets, like conversations between diplomats.
Argument by distraction. It doesn't excuse government-sanctioned child prostitution and trafficking:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contents_of_the_United_States_diplomatic_cables_leak#DynCorp
On the other hand he was probably unlucky in confiding with wikileaks instead of a journalist though. A journalist would have sifted through the data and published the relevant stuff.
Ironic then, that Wikileaks was redacting the data in cooperation with major media organisations until a journalist screwed up and published the passphrase to the lot:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_diplomatic_cables_leak
It may be cliche, but "citation needed".
So, your claim is that your chart about apples and bananas refutes their chart about gorillas and elephants?
Actually, that would be worse than pointless: such a false negative bias (all psychopaths pass, some non-psychopaths do not pass) would increase the ratio of psychopathy in those organizations. Then look at the organisations that use the test: defence, security and intelligence agencies. Aesop version: We chickens, afraid of being attacked by foxes, have been hiring snakes.
Speaking as a complete layperson in the field, what about those people who remain mentally sharp in their elder years? We don't all succumb to senility etc.
Also, even if we eliminated aging, I seem to recall statistics on death by accidental causes would still limit us to an average lifespan of four hundred years or so.
Thanks for the link, that was an interesting read.
Um, I know I'm just some foreigner who couldn't possibly grok the finer points of American politics, but what difference does the GP's political orientation make when we're discussing _WILLINGLY_ voting for _EVIL_?
The statement itself, after all, makes no declaration of partisanship and does not attribute the quality of evil to any particular political organisation, American or otherwise.
If you're a psychopath? Always.
Wonder what would've happened if they'd added Sky's DNS servers to the list.
Do I get bonus points for creating a web site and uploading all this?
Only if you share a (working) link. :)
There's a pre-error PNG of the drawing sample and a pre-error TIF of the number table sample they used in the original article. Perhaps try scanning printouts of them, it appears to be how some of the readers are reproducing the error?
The blog's also had a few updates, indicating affected models known so far and a possible workaround.