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Diablo 3 Expansion Announced: Reaper of Souls

Today at Gamescom in Germany, Blizzard announced the first expansion to Diablo III, titled Reaper of Souls. The story will follow a fallen archangel called Mathael who has returned as the Angel of Death. The level cap will increase to 70, and the expansion will bring a new playable class to the game called the Crusader, whom they described as a "natural walking tank." Reaper of Souls will also bring vast improvements to the loot system; in addition to having a better chance to find good, useful gear for the character you're playing, the items themselves are getting an overhaul to make for more interesting gameplay. Instead of being simply loaded down with combat stats, legendary items will include unique ways to modify how your character functions. They're also implementing something the community has been asking for since shortly after the game came out: randomized dungeons. Further, the Paragon leveling system, put in place after launch as a way to provide character progression after reaching the level cap, will be made account-wide, rather than on a per-character basis. A new profession NPC has been added as well: the Mystic, which lets players reroll one of the stats on a powerful item. As you might expect, Blizzard did not mention a release date. The Reaper of Souls opening cinematic is available on YouTube, as is a brief gameplay video.

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  1. How is it even possible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    They dumbed down Diablo 3 even further!

    1. Re:How is it even possible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah! By adding complexity! Boy, the nerve!

    2. Re: How is it even possible? by TWiTfan · · Score: 1, Troll

      Do you even need to ask? This is Activision we're talking about here. They should rename themselves "EA Light."

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  2. Don't expect high sales by WarJolt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Gamer don't normally allow themselves to be disappointed twice.

    1. Re:Don't expect high sales by dyingtolive · · Score: 5, Informative

      I swore Blizzard off after the first D3, and then was pleasantly surprised when no one I knew liked Heart of the Swarm. I will pass on this one as well.

      Something interesting I noticed a few weeks ago is that the only game I've enjoyed that I paid more than $20 for in as long as I can remember is Payday 2.

      I think I'm officially off the Triple-As.

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    2. Re:Don't expect high sales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that's why EA went bankrupt how many years ago?

    3. Re:Don't expect high sales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wow, you're a sour person aren't you? Is it really something for you to see others fail? Is that what it takes to make you feel good? Wow. Just wow.

      He expected Heart of the Swarm to be a good game and well received by his friends, making him regret his decision not to buy it. He's happy that his friends' opinions seem to confirm that he made the right decision in not buying the game. I don't see anything "sour" in that.

    4. Re:Don't expect high sales by WarJolt · · Score: 1

      There is always kids willing to spend their parents money on a new game.
      Doesn't mean it doesn't effect sales when a game stinks. Especially a sequel/expansion.

    5. Re:Don't expect high sales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wrong. Gamers don't normally hold grudges.

      If the game's good, the message will spread "omg they fixed it" and people will flock (back) to it.

      If it's not, ah well. Some will still play it, just like how some people still play farmville or candy crush saga (and pay for it too)

      Holding grudges (to a dev, to a company, to a publisher, to a platform, etc) is a thing for nerds (so I don't expect this comment to be well received here)

    6. Re:Don't expect high sales by camazotz · · Score: 1

      But...he invalidated his comments by stating that he liked Payday 2, so not sure his opinions are worth all that much. In it's defense, maybe Payday 2 was actually decent....the bar was set very, very low with the original, after all.

    7. Re:Don't expect high sales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, WoW is failing as well...

    8. Re:Don't expect high sales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I already talked to one blizz fanboy who knows how bad D3 is, knows this isn't going to fix it, and is lining up to buy it minute #1.

      capcha: justify. Yup, that makes sense.

    9. Re:Don't expect high sales by dyingtolive · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm pretty bitter, but I think you misinterpreted me. I wasn't reveling in my friends wasting their time and money on a game that sucked. That'd just make me a TOTAL asshole. What I meant was that I was happy I didn't miss out on a good game because I vengefully wrote off an entire developer for want of one bad game.

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    10. Re:Don't expect high sales by dyingtolive · · Score: 1

      The first one wasn't necessarily bad either. It was very limited, and repetitive, but compared with buying Remember Me for $60 and losing any reason to ever touch it again after beating it in about 5 hours, well, Payday 1 was okay for the $15 I spent on it.

      It probably helps that I have a full group of people I routinely play both games with. I probably wouldn't have played the first one as much as I did if it weren't for that. Playing a game like that solo or with random assholes on the internet would probably result in me losing interest much faster.

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    11. Re:Don't expect high sales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I personally won't be wasting my money. D3 was a complete and utter failure compared to its predecessors in my opinion (and from the reviews, most other peoples as well). After the crap Blizz pulled with WOW, D3, and how generally insulting and condescending they are to their consumers, I am glad to see WOW dying out like it is.

    12. Re:Don't expect high sales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    13. Re:Don't expect high sales by JDeane · · Score: 2

      What I don't understand is how you can go from Diablo II LOD to Diablo III... I bought Diablo 1 maybe a year after it came out (hey computers where expensive back then! lol) when Diablo II came out I had it on pre order at Electronics Boutique and managed to get my copy a day early... So awesome!!! Then the expansion came out LOD and holy shit it was fucking awesome, the patches only made it (mostly) better and I still play on the ladder to this day. I may have spent some money on the game but I feel like I have gotten 10 times my money out of it in value. I got Diablo III the day it released, I have a barb about half way into inferno and even made some money (more money than I spent on buying the game!) at the RMA and holy shit you can't even pay me to play the game.... (I mean that literally I can make money playing it and I still just can't bring myself to do it. The game is boring....)

      Maybe the expansion will fix some things, but after reading up on it and watching the video's a couple of times each trying to see what was new... I don't see any sort of in depth crafting system or runewords. I probably will skip the expansion unless it gets insanely good reviews months after release (you can't trust new reviews on a new game those are prime selling material....)

    14. Re:Don't expect high sales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they dont hold grudges, but they do learn from mistakes.

      Many will torrent what they can, and will only buy if it exceeds expectations. If it turns out to be as crap as they expected, then you wont see a sale.

    15. Re:Don't expect high sales by Onuma · · Score: 1

      I'm in the same boat. Took to D1 via a friend who got it shortly after release..then D2 and LOD were frickin' awesome, despite the horrid b.net servers at launch (and for a good period afterward). D3 I played for a while, didn't end up making my money back, but I just got bored to hell with the game. It's pretty much when I knew Blizzard had lost their touch -- they were unstoppable in the previous decade, so it was like seeing a titan fall. After all, SC+BW, D2+LoD, and WC3+TFT and even WoW were all amazing titles which still have loyal followings...why would anyone think Blizzard would suddenly change directions?

      Considering Blizzard has been lackluster (at best) during the late 2000's and early 2010's, I have no reason to trust they'll put out a product which I consider valuable for the money spent. Until both the game reviewers and my trusted friends/associates give me the nitty-gritty, I will not purchase any more of their wares.

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    16. Re:Don't expect high sales by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      Blizzard no longer targets hardcore gamers, but just average users who like videogames. It's a much larger audience, has lower expectations, and, above all, allow themselves to be dissapointed over and over (EA? *Sims*? Any game which has had over 3 releases in the last 5 years?)

    17. Re:Don't expect high sales by JDeane · · Score: 1

      Yeah I played the hell out of Diablo 1, Diablo 2 and LOD, Starcraft and Broodwars, Warcraft Bnet Edition, and WoW I played and bought all the expansions after getting level 80 a couple of times on WoTLK and getting all the epic loot I got bored with it and haven't been back the new expansion looked like hell and judging from the number of subs they lost I can tell I am not the only one who jumped ship.

      Sad to see such a great company go down hill, but I do remember dimly that some of the people responsible for Diablo II and LOD left Blizzard to form a different company and that could be part of the reason Diablo III is such a mess.

  3. "Crusader" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... may want to rename that class for the Middle East...

    1. Re:"Crusader" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea the translation must be Jihadi

  4. Strayed too far from the original formula by stewsters · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Randomized dungeons are a good sign. The devs need to go play some roguelikes and less WOW for a few weeks before working on it. That may detoxify them enough to fix it.

    1. Re:Strayed too far from the original formula by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      I like the changes to legendaries, or at least the idea they are floating for it. One of the fun things in D2 was items that could change the way you played your character in a huge way. Although in the case of the Enigma runeword it was kind of game breaking.

    2. Re:Strayed too far from the original formula by JDeane · · Score: 1

      Enigma was awesome!!! Of course getting a legit one was pretty much a pipe dream. (by legit I mean making it with non duped runes.)

      I can only imagine the number of runes one would have to cube to get Jah and Ber...

    3. Re:Strayed too far from the original formula by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      I played on and off for probably a total of a year over the course of two ladder seasons. And I actually saw a Jah drop once in the throne room. Of course I was half way across the room from it and the hammerdin bot probably auto picked it.

    4. Re:Strayed too far from the original formula by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      It's sad that "randomized dungeons" are the new thing, when Diablo II had those out-of-the-box over a decade earlier.

    5. Re:Strayed too far from the original formula by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Enigma was awesome!!! Of course getting a legit one was pretty much a pipe dream. (by legit I mean making it with non duped runes.)

      That was my problem with Diablo 2 -- all the good stuff was (mostly) only available through cheatery. Were real drop rates modified by the expectation/reality of duping bugs?

    6. Re:Strayed too far from the original formula by JDeane · · Score: 1

      Enigma was awesome!!! Of course getting a legit one was pretty much a pipe dream. (by legit I mean making it with non duped runes.)

      That was my problem with Diablo 2 -- all the good stuff was (mostly) only available through cheatery. Were real drop rates modified by the expectation/reality of duping bugs?

      I have recently started playing Diablo 2 LOD on the ladder again (about a week ago.) and the drop rates seem to be higher. I have already found a Pul, not that it's a very high rune but I am only level 84 right now and I have been soloing everything. (no public games.) about to finish up act 5 in hell mode and start farming Baal. That's when I will know if they have really changed the drop rates or not.

      But my gut feeling is that if you still wanted Enigma on the ladder you would be farming runes for months to make one legit.

  5. I MISSED THE ANNOUCEMENT OF THE ANNOUCEMENT !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So now I am caught up !!

  6. Dem Mobs by Ignacio · · Score: 1

    And the mobs will still have 5 more HP than the damage of the weapon you brought into the level.

  7. Deja Vu? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Informative

    I seem to remember playing this class in D2 but it was called a Paladin at the time.

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    1. Re:Deja Vu? by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      The devs finished watching Super Shark and wanted to work in a walking tank to their story. Who can blame them?

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1698008/

    2. Re:Deja Vu? by Alok · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I remember randomized dungeons in D1, and good loot systems in both D1 & D2.

      Unfortunately most of the 'new to D3!' stuff is a rehash of things that used to exist in the former games, but at least they are working to bring it up to par in those departments.

    3. Re:Deja Vu? by Sabriel · · Score: 1

      Yes, and in the dev talk they say that's where they drew part of their inspiration from; the "lore" is basically that the Crusaders are an offshoot/subgroup of the original Paladins.

  8. Huh... by Aelanna · · Score: 1

    I would have expected an announcement like this to be at Blizzcon, but I guess they already have Legacy of the Void and World of Warcraft XPAC5 on the docket.

    1. Re:Huh... by TemperedAlchemist · · Score: 1

      I tried going to their website, but it said their servers were down.

  9. Don't care. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Diablo:Reaper of wallets.

    After getting a good look at the current thing with the name diablo on it... I didn't even bother.

    Enough people did tho. They're making crazy cash.

    So i expect the money grab to continue with diablo n+1

    1. Re:Don't care. by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      you spelled rape wrong

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  10. crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who would play this crap? They just now got randomized dungeons....?

  11. Expect high sales by Piata · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Gamers are stupid. Blizzard has been on a downturn for a while but people will still line up in droves for this. If you need any further proof, look at Call of Duty. Exact same engine, almost indentical gameplay, loaded to the brim with shitty DLC that's made irrelevant by next year's installment and it STILL sells 10 - 15 million units.

    Look how long it's taken for people to abandon EA. It's been years since they were considered the worst company ever and they are just now starting to feel that wrath. If Blizzard and their brands fall, it will happen at a slow and steady pace.

    1. Re:Expect high sales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      *click* *click* WTF?!? *click* *click* am not stupid! *click* *click* this game takes *click* *click* *click* *click* smarts! *click* *click* *click*

    2. Re:Expect high sales by lgw · · Score: 2

      Sure, except that only a small percentage of people who bought D3 are still playing it. I'm sure those still playing it will mostly buy the expansion, but those who were disappointed not so much.

      I thought it was an OK game - played it for several nights, and can't complain about the hours of entertainment I got for my money, but it fell well below the "buy the sequel" bar. There is no shortage of new games, and in any case I'd find going back to D2 single player more fun than a D3 expansion. Heck, if I could find that expansion for D1 that added nightmare and hell difficulty, I'd play it - D1 was a neat (if simple) roguelike.

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    3. Re:Expect high sales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What input device sound effects are associated with more intelligent gaming? *clack* *bzzt* *whrrr*?

    4. Re:Expect high sales by oreiasecaman · · Score: 1

      Heck, if I could find that expansion for D1 that added nightmare and hell difficulty, I'd play it - D1 was a neat (if simple) roguelike.

      Multiplayer on D1 allows you to do just that

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    5. Re:Expect high sales by readingaccount · · Score: 1

      Look how long it's taken for people to abandon EA. It's been years since they were considered the worst company ever and they are just now starting to feel that wrath.

      Hah! Really? There are previews for Sims 4 now and I guarantee you it will rake in the cash for EA once it's released - particularly since its main audience are generally not dedicated gamers who peruse gaming news sites and probably aren't aware of EA's behavior.

      Not to mention, stuff like the latest Humble Bundle being all EA/Origin stuff, which is turning out to be likely the largest bundle in terms of purchases/revenue of all the bundles so far. You're right - gamers are stupid. But I think they're a bit more stupid than you think.

    6. Re:Expect high sales by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      D1 on the Psone allows you to do that in both Single and Multiplayer. No need to trick the game by starting a Multiplayer game then starting in single.

    7. Re:Expect high sales by lgw · · Score: 1

      With the monk class and the 2 new areas?

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    8. Re:Expect high sales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I might buy the expansion. But I will try some other sucker to report on it first. D3 has nice engine, and all the building blocks for a great game are there. They just dropped the ball with skill assignments, and skills, and different damage types, and items, and loot system, and auction house, and game joining / creation, and community building/management. Other than that, the gameplay was enjoyable, sound efects were nice, graphics were great(maybe a bit bright for a diablo, but you got used to that), plot was a turd as expected, but that's ok, as it almost has to be that way, wouldn't be a diablo otherwise. Also, most dungeon crawlers don't really need any plot anyways, aside from, "kill monster, pick up weapon, kill next monster with that, repeat".

      Basically the engine is there, a nice engine demo is there, they just need to add the game.

    9. Re:Expect high sales by Onuma · · Score: 2

      Actually, you could (at one point, at least) effectively increase the difficulty level in Single Player by starting a local/nullmodem multiplayer game, then backing out of it and going into single player instead. It wasn't quirky, and it didn't *TELL* you that you were in a higher difficulty...but as soon as you fought the first monsters you knew it wasn't normal anymore.

      And the "Hellfire" expansion (released by Sierra) also added those difficulties, as well as the ability to walk really fast in town. It was nice to finally be able to get through town without waiting ages :)

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    10. Re:Expect high sales by arth1 · · Score: 1

      sound efects were nice

      Unless you have a high-end sound card which timelocks the frequency. There are samples with different rates in D3, which really messes up sound.

    11. Re:Expect high sales by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      But actual hardcore gamers (you know, those that are not unlike gamer from 1999) don't fall for that crap. Most Diablo II gamers stayed away from Diablo III, or played it very little. The same applies for Starcraft/Starcraft II.

      Blizzard's former audience has moved on to other companies.

    12. Re:Expect high sales by oreiasecaman · · Score: 1

      dunno, never played the Hellfire expansion, only vanilla D1

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    13. Re:Expect high sales by oreiasecaman · · Score: 1

      Yes, considering that PSX emulators are almost perfect nowadays that would be a good idea. But when D1 was launched on PSX originally, it was horrible -- the load times were awful, the almost-an-entire-memory-card save file too.

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    14. Re:Expect high sales by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Oh god the load times! The PS2's fast-loading feature does help with that, though texture-smoothing doesn't. The PS3's virtual memory card feature also helps...though you get no help with load times.

      Good game though, one of my favorites.

  12. Thanks Dice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hope this slashvertisement paid the bills!

  13. Offline Single Player? by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Any word on offline single player? No offline single player, no sale.

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    1. Re:Offline Single Player? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they aren't doing that. Blizzard stopped being a company I was interested with starcraft 2, and haven't started again since.

    2. Re:Offline Single Player? by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      That's what the PS3 version is for.

    3. Re:Offline Single Player? by CronoCloud · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, they aren't doing that.

      Actually, they did do that, in the console versions.

    4. Re:Offline Single Player? by pulski · · Score: 1

      Any word on offline single player? No offline single player, no sale.

      With the inclusion of a real money auction house, I'm glad it's online only. An offline mode just opens the game up to hacking, item duping/creation, etc. If an end user's PC is generating loot drops, they can be manipulated. When it's done server side, it can't.

    5. Re:Offline Single Player? by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      in D2 you had an online char and an offline char. there is no reason they cant do the same with D3. I was one of those dumb enough to pre order it many many months before release, beat it through within a few hours and havent picked it up since. Hell I STILL put D2 in from time to time

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    6. Re:Offline Single Player? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      With the inclusion of a real money auction house, I'm glad it's online only.

      Which is of no value to anyone except Blizzard, who takes a cut of all those transactions. How about providing us a game that's actually well balanced, and doesn't require players to fork over cash to win?

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    7. Re:Offline Single Player? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      As long as my options as a player are limited somehow, I can feel free to give blizzard money.

    8. Re:Offline Single Player? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i made a few hundred dollars, so i suppose it was a value to me at the time.

      The still ended up boring me, and there updates have been just a joke

      also, i never bought anything, i just killed things and sold things i found, and then spend the money on a word that has two e's a w and a d

    9. Re:Offline Single Player? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      spend the money on a word that has two e's a w and a d

      Slashdot: News for Teens.

    10. Re:Offline Single Player? by dnaumov · · Score: 1

      Exactly how often are you in front of your gaming PC without internet access? Serious question.

      If I found myself in this situation, my first concern would be getting back internet connectivity, gaming would be somewhere pretty damn far down the list. That being said, I find it pretty hard to end up without internet access unless it's deliberate. If my VDSL is down (which happens never) or if I am travelling, I can just connect use my iPhone's connection (99% of the country has mobile coverage). Even planes have Wi-Fi (I am in Europe).

    11. Re:Offline Single Player? by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly how often are you in front of your gaming PC without internet access? Serious question.

      That's not the point at all. I refuse to buy a game that can be taken away from me at any point with no recourse. I still play 30 year old games on my Tandy, and I hope to be around to play games from today 30 years from now.

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    12. Re:Offline Single Player? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He clearly meant an inflatable sheep - a "dick-ewe". Poor guy has been hitting the sheep so hard, he forgot how to write coherent sentences.

    13. Re:Offline Single Player? by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      in D2 you had an online char and an offline char. there is no reason they cant do the same with D3.

      Well they "could" do it, but really don't want to. If they just sold the game in the US, Canada, the UK, Japan, and Korea they probably would...it's the rest of the world that's the problem.

      They probably saw the vast differential between Battle.net accounts and game sales...decided to "try" to fix the problem because they simply can't trust PC gamers outside of a few counties to not pirate the thing in massive numbers.

      Console gamers they can trust more, so allow the consoles to have offline multiplayer.

      In other words, blame. .br, .hu, .hr, .ru, .ua, .ro, .pl, .cn, .th, and their enablers in .fi and .se

      If those people actually bought content/media rather than pirate everything they can...then perhaps blizzard would have treated D3 like D2.

    14. Re:Offline Single Player? by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      I refuse to buy a game that can be taken away from me at any point with no recourse. I still play 30 year old games on my Tandy, and I hope to be around to play games from today 30 years from now.

      I can understand your point...but Blizzard had to do "something" about the discrepancy between Diablo 1 and 2 accounts/games on Battlenet and the actual number of copies sold.

      Since they had experience with WoW...they went for a required online connection.

      In other words, the real blame is on the pirates in .br, .hu, .hr, .ru, .ua, .ro, .pl, .cn, .th, and their enablers in .fi and .se.

    15. Re:Offline Single Player? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      D3 is pointless. Its crap and boring. Path of Exile is much better, and doesn't cost a penny.

    16. Re:Offline Single Player? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      I can understand your point...but Blizzard had to do "something" about the discrepancy between Diablo 1 and 2 accounts/games on Battlenet and the actual number of copies sold.

      Did they really? I mean... why? It's not like they received any revenue from Battle.Net accounts. It all came from actual game sales.
      I think the "no single-player" decision is an anti-piracy move and nothing more.

      I can tell you what they could have done to increase Battle.Net usage: make the BNet servers more stable. Nothing like running away from monsters and finding new areas of the screen are just black because you've gotten desynced and then disconnected from the server. Happened often to me and to anyone I talked with about the game. The entire Battle.Net experience with D2 (flaky/desynced servers, grouping with selfish and anti-social people) was a big reason why I didn't nab World of Warcraft immediately.

  14. Point and click... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... sux balls big time... lazy 1990's games gonna lazy...

    1. Re:Point and click... by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 1

      Then don't play.

      Being point-and-click is NOT the reason D3 got so much flak.

      If thedy got rid of the RMAH and all the game mechanics to steer players to it (i.e. crap loot, insanely hard mobs towards the end of Hell and Inferno unless you buy RMAH gear), I'd jump right back on it.

    2. Re:Point and click... by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      If thedy got rid of the RMAH and all the game mechanics to steer players to it (i.e. crap loot, insanely hard mobs towards the end of Hell and Inferno unless you buy RMAH gear), I'd jump right back on it.

      Your wish is Blizzard's command because the console versions have no RMAH

    3. Re:Point and click... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried playing it again about three weeks ago and was pleasantly surprised. You don't need RMAH gear to finish Inferno with Monster Power turned off.

      Gear to finish Inferno on Monster Power 2-3 is pretty cheap as well. Also, some of the more unpleasant monster affix combinations were eliminated.

    4. Re:Point and click... by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      I gave it a go lastnight. I didn't have time to try Act two but Act one did seem to be a good bit less sadistic. I perused the gold AH and there is a lot of stuff available for much cheaper than before but I don't know if it'll be cheap enough to gear me up for finishing Inferno, but I can't really know until I try. So this evening I'll be seeing about actually progressing again.

      Incidentally I stopped playing just before they introduced the Paragon leveling system.

    5. Re:Point and click... by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Everyone points to the RMAH, but the non-RM auction house is just as much to blame. The auction system killed any higher-level enjoyment of the game for me when it became clear that you were just farming for gold to spend on the auction houses. The Diablo series is an item hunt, and if the item hunting sucks, the game flounders.

  15. No need for an expansion, Blizzard by Azure+Flash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're already reaped my soul with Diablo 3. I had to Exile myself to repair the damage you've done to my soul.

    1. Re:No need for an expansion, Blizzard by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 1

      You're already reaped my soul with Diablo 3. I had to Exile myself to repair the damage you've done to my soul.

      "legendary items will include unique ways to modify how your character functions" is one of the ~10 innovations that make Path of Exile so much better than D3, and given Blizzard's track record I'm confident that the D3 expansion implementation won't be nearly as interesting or fun as the feature it's cloning from PoE.

      --
      "I zero-index my hamsters" - Willtor (147206)
    2. Re:No need for an expansion, Blizzard by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 1

      Actually, unless I'm misunderstanding you, that's a key feature of D2 that D3 was missing. I remember collecting runes to build weapons that gave me all sorts of cool abilities from other classes.

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      Slashdot: Where people pretend to be twice as smart as they really are by behaving like children.
    3. Re:No need for an expansion, Blizzard by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      I remember collecting runes to build weapons that gave me all sorts of cool abilities from other classes.

      I remember playing for dozens of hours collecting runes but never getting enough of them to spell any good words. Not sure if it was bad luck, not playing at high enough level, or just not grinding another few hundred hours. I never seemed to get all the pieces to any of the good sets, either.

    4. Re:No need for an expansion, Blizzard by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like D2. I played for hundreds of hours, farming the high end caves, and managed to build enough wealth on battle.net to trade for pretty awesome gear. But it was a long haul. Very fun, though.

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      Slashdot: Where people pretend to be twice as smart as they really are by behaving like children.
    5. Re:No need for an expansion, Blizzard by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      I didn't like playing online, so I couldn't trade to complete things. The runes and sets were deeply unsatisfying because of that.

  16. Uh huh. Yeah let's all go waste a sixty on this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't play online-only games on satellite internet.
    I'm also waiting for those assholes to give the Shaman its class review. Never DID get that ever did they?

    Besides, the Wizard's probably still a glass peashooter and utterly fucked in higher difficulties.
    Last I'd played D3 the one method by which I could survive on hell got nerfed to hell; turns out surviving with difficulty and effort was an exploit, not as intended.

  17. no by penandpaper · · Score: 0

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  18. Fool me once...maybe I'll be back in ten years. by Remus+Shepherd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I won't be buying this expansion because D3 was such a huge disappointment, I don't see any expansion ever making it fun. I think my highest level character was 37 -- I stopped when I got to Hell difficulty, because there seemed no point in playing the exact same content over a third time. Meanwhile it didn't seem possible to progress without spending real-world money. Blizzard lost me with this game.

    But on a related note, I have a question. Sony Online Entertainment (SOE) is bringing out the new Everquest Next which looks amazing. But I swore off of Sony in 2000 after being a guide in the original Everquest. The guide program was so corrupt, and the John Smedley administration was so disrespectful of the players, that I swore never to buy another Sony game. Has Sony improved? After more than ten years I'd be willing to give them another chance if I hear that they're not the pure evil they used to be. (I know EA is still pure evil, but I haven't heard anything lately about SOE.)

    Blizzard has probably lost me for ten years. We'll see if they still try to trick players into spending money, and whether they re-discover what makes game fun.

    --
    Genocide Man -- Life is funny. Death is funnier. Mass murder can be hilarious.
    1. Re:Fool me once...maybe I'll be back in ten years. by Lithdren · · Score: 1

      As a Planetside 2 Player, I have no complaints about SOE. I played the original Planetside and I didn't care for them much at that time, but they do seem to listen to their player base well. Each game of course has a seperate team, I get the feeling SOE is more of a management company, with all these smaller game groups under them, unlike something like EA which rules with an iron fist.

      I'd sugest keeping an open mind, maybe hang out in forums and follow up on it. If something comes up that starts sounding alarm bells you'll know what to do.

    2. Re:Fool me once...maybe I'll be back in ten years. by Alok · · Score: 2

      EQ Next is going to be free 2 play, so what is the harm in trying it out? It looks really interesting, I definitely plan to play - never played EQ at all so it will be a completely new world & lore for me. If they start pushing microtransactions heavily etc., its not a big loss to stop once the game is no longer fun.

    3. Re:Fool me once...maybe I'll be back in ten years. by Remus+Shepherd · · Score: 1

      The point of avoiding a bad game producer is not just to hit their bottom line. If they're playing mind games with their players, I don't want to be involved with them at all. I also don't want to inflate their player numbers, even if I'm not a paying customer.

      That said, I might give EQ Next a try. It sounds like they may have learned their lesson about how to treat their players.

      --
      Genocide Man -- Life is funny. Death is funnier. Mass murder can be hilarious.
    4. Re:Fool me once...maybe I'll be back in ten years. by Remus+Shepherd · · Score: 1

      I agree with everything you wrote except 'great game'. I thought I was buying a sequel to D2, where hardcore item grinding was possible but not obligatory. D3 was not designed to be similar to D2. It is a hardcore game -- the kind of game I do not want to play.

      --
      Genocide Man -- Life is funny. Death is funnier. Mass murder can be hilarious.
    5. Re:Fool me once...maybe I'll be back in ten years. by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      Maybe the class I picked was just stronger or something but I didn't find D3 to be grindy, in the sense that I had to repeat areas for loot in order to progress, until the second Act on Inferno. On inferno difficulty Act one was pretty challenging in fact it was gratifyingly tough. But then I started Act two and all of a sudden normal mobs were impossibly hard, let alone Champion and Elite packs. I bought items on the Gold AH throughout though so that could have an impact. When I really tried to optimize my build and gear though so that I could make progress again all it did was make Act one less challenging but Act two remainded well out of reach. There were some breakpoints that you needed to reach apparently in regards to HP, DPS and resistances. I gave up on it because it looked like it was going to take hundreds of hours or dollars to accomplish.

      All that said I patched up the game last night to see what had changed and gave it a try. All I did was the latter half of Act one Inferno and it seems to have been toned down a good bit. Even without having played in a very long time it was fairly easy for me to get to and kill the butcher. Tonight I'll try out Act two and see how that goes. The other nice thing is that because of the way these economies always work gear on the gold auction house has come down in price and I should not be able to afford a weapon that'll increase my DPS by more than 50% for just a couple million gold, whereas before it would have been 100 million or some such silly amount.

    6. Re:Fool me once...maybe I'll be back in ten years. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 D3 is an RPG character generator with an annoying (and boring) loot jackpot mini-game so you can accessorize the character you're building.

  19. Better loot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many times have they reworked the loot system now? is this the third time? and didnt't they have a working system for D2? O.o

  20. They lost me at hello by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bought D3 because D2 was so big and people played it for a decade. It's a joke... they took everything interesting out. All the characters play the same. It's boring.

    And they've ruined WOW btw... blizz fell... it's gone... all that's left is a vampire trying to suck every last drop of blood from the corpse of their fanbase.

  21. thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but gta v will get my time instead

    d3 was too much of a disappointment to invest anything more in it

  22. Here comes the haters out of the woodwork... by nhat11 · · Score: 0

    People complain the game isn't great but at the same time it isn't horrible. There's a tons of worse games out there that people don't play.

    1. Re:Here comes the haters out of the woodwork... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Certainly DIII isn't horrible (the boss fights remind me of old side-scroll games, though!), but this game had legions of fans waiting anxiously for an evolution of DII LOD and it fell woefully short in many aspects. Blizzard's hype and high expectations on the part of the gamer community failed DIII.

    2. Re:Here comes the haters out of the woodwork... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At the same time there are tons of games that are actually better and cost a fraction of the price of DIII. Value for money DIII is an absolute disgrace. 2/10 at most.

    3. Re:Here comes the haters out of the woodwork... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (the boss fights remind me of old side-scroll games, though!),

      You make that sound like it's a bad thing! The boss fights are the best part in D3. Every first encounter with a new boss was epic.

  23. Wonk wonk wonk... by Urthas · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...oh, please. All of you saying that you're done with Blizzard, and "fool me once...", and that you won't buy RoS are not fooling anyone. You will ALL buy it. Maybe not at first, but you will. And you know it.

    1. Re:Wonk wonk wonk... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, of course we will. I'm sure you're not a fanboy at all with that username.
      What's wrong was Arthas already taken?

    2. Re:Wonk wonk wonk... by Urthas · · Score: 1

      I have no idea. I like the character of Uther, and the story of Arthas. Now that that's out of the way, Anonymous Coward, you know I'm right.

    3. Re:Wonk wonk wonk... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you know I'm right.

      That's the worst part.

    4. Re:Wonk wonk wonk... by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Meh. I didn't even buy D3; the pre-release announcements already scared me off. I have a number of friends who won't buy the addon, though. They all own Borderlands 2, which is a better Diablo than Diablo 3 is, despite being a different genre.

      --
      USE HOT GRITS WITH STATUE OF NATALIE PORTMAN (NAKED AND PETRIFIED)
  24. Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nope!

  25. New Paragon system will make HC a joke by Alok · · Score: 2

    Anyone who gets to level 60 (or I guess its now level 70) can now work at getting Paragon levels, and use the points for Vit on ALL characters? This means that HC has far less risk for those who have a whole lot of extra Vit compared to the plebs who don't have a higher level char.

    Of course, there's already big differences depending on what equipment you can afford or got lucky to find, but I wonder if this could make people lose interest in the HC scene (or conversely, some will buy the expansion just so that their alts start off with a lot of advantages)

    1. Re:New Paragon system will make HC a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meh, D3 has only 1 char of every class anyways, why not make it just 1 char alltogether. Redistributable skillpoints is a stupid idea. Part of the fun in D2 was to have different types of chars. Now you just have 1, which can be switched to any other by reassigning the skills and switching gear. How boring is that? I do understand it's a nice thing to be able to remake your char once or twice, so you don't have to start a new char after the first almost randomly picked skills, but being able to just remake anytime at a whim makes the thing boring. It's a paperdoll game, there has to be some things to slow down the switching of clothes, or the whole game is done too fast.

  26. What??! by Iniamyen · · Score: 1

    It took them this long to create some new backgrounds and generate some new random names/states for monsters, armor, and weapons? They must have been sleeping on the job.

    I am a huge Blizzard fan, but Diablo 3 was NOT worth $60. I definitely won't be getting DUPED this time. heh.

  27. Tank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't diablo 3 already have two tank classes the barbarian and the monk?

    1. Re:Tank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but neither of those is a Paladin, which is what folks* really want. The Monk was widely played as a substitute, but it doesn't have the physical damage survivability that a Paladin would. A Crusader is getting closer.

      * People who play Paladins.

  28. Path of Exile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No thanks. Path of Exile is enough for me. Free, darker more mature world, interesting customization options, developer responsive to the community and actively managing various competitions and race events, plus rooting for the small guy is always in style.

  29. When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. by mindwanderer · · Score: 1

    I know they've probably been working on this for a long time and they just want a return on that investment, but I think it's going to hurt them in the long run when it's revealed to be yet another lackluster Blizzard offering.

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    :wq
  30. Reaper of Souls... by Alejux · · Score: 1

    Raper of Wallets!

  31. Pay Me by aoism · · Score: 1

    Blizzard will have to pay me to play this. I gave up on WoW after Cataclysm, but was looking forward to D3. The game was fun for a week. Once the cap was hit, it was just grinding and filling up your inventory with worthless loot. I gave them a chance after every patch that they promised to make it better. The Paragon system was interesting, though the initial time to get to level 100 was some astronomical amount of effort. It still didn't change the fact that at 100000% MF, you'd still have an inventory of things that you can't sell on the AH. Then for new players? Good luck if you want to buy anything. Everything costs 1m - 100bill. Only if you get lucky (which doesnt happen very much) can you buy loot .. unless of course you buy items or gold with real money. And that's the way they want it. Sorry Blizzard. You used to be awesome. Now you're just hopeless.

  32. D3 Expansion set was already released... by GoJays · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...It's called Torchlight 2.

    The real Diablo 3 in my books.

    1. Re:D3 Expansion set was already released... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      Disagree 100%. I've played Torchlight 2, Path of Exile, and Borderlands 2. IMO the FREE Path of Exile is by far away the true spiritual successor to Diablo 2. The only Pay-To-Win they have is that you can buy, colorize, and rename your stash tabs which is a god-send compared to the crappy 4 tabs D3 offers.

      Diablo 3 is an epic failure for one reason: itemization. Precisely, the total lack of it. One of the things that made D2 so great was the multiple tier economies:
      * chipped gems,
      * pgems
      * set items
      * runes
      * runewords
      * keys
      * torches
      * anni
      * Rares

      No matter where your wealth was, you could always "upgrade" to the next tier of wealth given enough time. Even a shitty Hammerdin with crap gear could MF / farm.

      Diablo 3 threw all the great things right out the window and made a game for boobs & noobs = BORING. In contradistinction the Path of Exile skill tree is HUGE -- there are a large number of variety builds built around single items (just like D2) compared to the few cookie-cutter D3 builds offers.

      Where again is the PvP in D3 ??
      http://www.pcgamesn.com/diablo/diablo-3s-game-director-problem-pvp-its-got-be-blizzard-quality

    2. Re:D3 Expansion set was already released... by pspahn · · Score: 1

      Fond memories of my axe throwing barb in D2. He was one of the very few out there that would kick some ass in pvp. Throw Axes had no sockets. The unique was terrible. I spent countless hours gambling rares to get the ones I had.

      D3 was sorta okay fun for a little bit, but the total lack of diversity just made the game too dull. I enjoyed having an actual unique character that was fun to play and of my own creation. D3 ruined that.

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      Someone flopped a steamer in the gene pool.
    3. Re:D3 Expansion set was already released... by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure that I could agree anymore!

      I would add though that even with the itemization they did have the drop rates for items that were useable was so poor that progress became incredibly slow. Once you had made all the economical gear upgrades possible you still wouldn't be able to move to Act two on Inferno. And that meant you were stuck with something like a 1 in 10000 chance of finding an upgrade or goood sellable item when you actually found an iLevel 63 piece of gear. In an Act one run maximizing champs and such, hitting maybe a dozen such packs you might find half a dozen iLevel 63 rares to identify if you were lucky.

      I played a little bit lastnight and it seems like they lowered the difficulty a bit in Act one at least. I'll try Act two tonight. If they have evened out the progression of difficulty enough then it might now be possible to actually get to a place where you can actually find upgrades. And if the expansion introduces items with more interesting and unique abilities the game might just start to be as fun as D2 was.

      Ultimately though I kind of wish they had just remade D2 with this new engine.

  33. What about DRM? by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

    That matters for some of us.

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    Do you even lift?

    These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

  34. No sale by ninetyninebottles · · Score: 2

    I'm a casual gamer. I don't mind shelling out some money for a weekend or two of fun. I bought Diablo 3 and at first it was, okay, but not on par with Diablo 2. I often ended up dying or at least being very annoyed when network lag interfered with playability, and of course there is no offline mode. That was annoying. But the real problem came when my account was de-activated randomly one day. Well crap, that's strange, but I had the serial and the login and password for my account, how much of a hassle could it be? Several e-mail exchanges and numerous broken help pages later, they finally decided they needed a copy of my driver's license! WTF?

    I might consider another game from Blizzard in future if they ever manage to implement a level of DRM that doesn't inconvenience me, their customer, quite so much with poorer gameplay and stupid bureaucracy. I tossed Diablo 3 in the trash, sent an e-mail explaining why, and bought a better game (for less money) from their competitor.

    Blizzard has done nothing to address what was wrong with Diablo 3 for this customer.

  35. It's not random. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It may look random, but it's not.

    Diablo 3 does the same thing. They have multiple maps for a given area that get swapped out at the door, giving the illusion of a randomly generated map- until you encounter the same map twice. Then you realize it's all basically just bullshit. The expansion is no different, the only difference is that they've basically cut up the dungeon into multiple mini-maps and now they're swapping those out (randomly) with other static setups as you explore.

    They're trying their damnedest to make it sound as if the engine is actually building the dungeons in realtime, totally procedurally- and that the entire thing really is random, but it isn't. The depth of their implementation is really, really weak and a lot of gamers are going to see through it and get bored with it fairly quickly.

    IMHO; if they'd bothered to write a proper system that actually built dynamic procedural dungeons and then made them infinite going down (level wise)- the further you go, the harder the enemies get- that would have been cool. Then people would have an excuse to just play the damned game and get something different all the time, with an unknown amount of loot that only keeps getting better the longer you play that dungeon.

    But that might make for a reasonably fun time wasting game, and Blizzard can't even pull that off these days.

  36. Great by SD-Arcadia · · Score: 1

    I love how "the items themselves are getting an overhaul to make for more interesting gameplay" is reserved to a for-pay expansion! "Interesting gameplay" as if it's a minor enhancement! Also, make no mistake, there will be 3 more expansions after this, each taking the level cap 10 points higher, till 99. You know, you gotta milk that cow!

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    https://dalgamotor.wordpress.com/ - Elektronik beyinlere ozgurluk asisi (Turkish)
    1. Re:Great by Urthas · · Score: 2

      Actually, there is supposed to be a major itemization patch before the expansion is released. They did the same thing prior to releasing LoD.

    2. Re:Great by jma05 · · Score: 1

      > You know, you gotta milk that cow!

      Maybe, they will include a level for that finally.

  37. Freemium in disguise by valkenar · · Score: 2

    As long as Blizzard is making money off the auction house I'm not playing D3. I gave them the benefit and bought it once, but there's no way I'm falling for freemium-in-disguise again. I'd much rather pay a monthly fee and have the game actually be balanced correctly. D3 was fun for a while, and had some good innovations, but it also had some glaring flaws and the auction house alone would've overwhelmed any good qualities it had. When there's a profit motive to making the game worse, you can count on a mediocre-at-best product.

  38. Yawn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah I gotta say, as someone who's bought and played almost everything bliz ever made..... time for something new.

  39. Grinding by setrops · · Score: 1

    They turned a good stand alone game, Diablo 2 into a semi MMO grind. With a real money auction house and short content.

    They basically sucked all the fun out of the game.

    Blizzard changed about 3 or 4 years ago when they wanted to implement Real ID. They wanted to make WoW a Facebook of sort. Ever since it's all been about how to extract more money from their game than making a game shine on it;s own merits.

    The day of the stand alone game is over. They all want you connected. You;re a revenue stream.

    It's all sad really

  40. Changes to Game Systems Will Come as a Free Patch by tiagosousa · · Score: 1

    Actually the "interesting gameplay" stuff will be free: Changes to Game Systems Will Come as a Free Patch

  41. I blame Blizzard's DRM... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because I read this as "Raper" of Souls.

  42. Diablo 3 new expansion announced, new class Crusad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first expansion of Diablo 3 has been announced by Blizzard at Gamescom. It’s named Reaper of Souls after the new villain, Maltheal, the fallen angel of wisdom who has changed his career later and been the angel of death (pictured above). New zones and Crusader – the new class are added to the expansion and Blizzard has risen the level cap up to 70 for all classes in Diablo 3. In addition, a bunch of new passives, runes and abilities are also added.

    gameguyz