ummm... appreciate the past. plan for the future. Our digital world now has brought new 'rights' that earlier movements never thought would exist. To settle for the fact that we have alot of physical rights now because of past protesting, doesnt mean we should fight for our digital rights....or any rights left that are being stripped from us.
I'm sorry. I never buy the: it used to be worse bullshit. Or even better: it could be worse. Never settle.
ummm no, you had to subscribe to msn and pay them. so, if you didnt have an exsisting isp, wanted to switch and wanted to make a 2 year agreement with one then it is an ok deal.
2 years is a long time...alot of people i know how opted for the rebate in buying a new pc recently regret it now.
ummm Im sorry. The world population doesnt equate GNU with free software. Geeks do. Grandma doesn't.
And you know what, in the business word "linux" is equated with free software. OMG Kill LINUS he stole GNUs thunder.
Give me a break. You let it go for free for whatever anyone wants to do with it. No one renamed the packages or denys the exisiting of the software...they just dont name their new product after it. Christ. Follow your own gpl. Or rewrite it so that any producting using code from your product must includes your products name in its name.
maybe its me, but I can find more software to accomplish my tasks with linux. Its easier to evaluate several options cause it's usually free. I dont see that many windows products out there, or innovation either. Im not talking the racks at best buy, Im talking overall quantity and selection. But alas, comps are used 99% for: business related *OFFICE* programs, word proc and games. So no, niche stuff doesn't really matter. But linux is making strides, and consumers love the word free.
And hey, while I brought it up. Im 3834873737% for short hightech lifecycles including software. BUT, this should mean the copyright goes too. If you are gonna claim it is no longer viable or needed for you to support something you have sold then you forfeit your right to protect it.
They let use a piece of software that you purchased, only under their conditions...giving them as much control as they want to claim in a EULA...and of course without owing you anything by way of merchantibility.
I wouldn't mind software licensing if companies were actually held responsible for holding up their end of the bargain.
Personally closed source is useful for a couple things: custom applications on strange platforms for strange devices that some company may have already developed and is selling that meets your needs. And, extensions of that idea.
A whole lot else can be met with opensource. Almost every small business can be run with an entirely opensource setup. Small business is the major brunt of America's economy. Personal users are even more dificult for the penetration and learning curve...but as the young computer saavy grow up and the old computer illiterate die, we will have a mostly computer literate society.
Personally I think any small business can do very well and save a boatload of money by hiring a consultant to setup some boxes, install required software and go. No more licensing fees. None of that crap. Got a problem? Bring back the consultant, hell youd need a few fulltime MCSEs anyways. Need an app not made? I vision a work-for-hire opportunity for programmers, maybe with some sort of middle-man.
Who knows. Anyways, I'm all for copyright, Im all for protecting your created code...but I'm also all for customer service. And MS dicks its customers, and shouldnt be allowed to do that with the leverage of their existing monopoly. Companies should have 0.00000 rights.
NEWSFLASH: Automakers unite! Now one conglomerate of a company, they buy the propane industry and switch to propane. Refuse warranties on older vehicles claiming its lifecycle is over. Now what ya gonna do? I hope the govt would step in eh?;)
are you an idiot? he said nothing of closed source vs open source. he said nothing proprietary software/hardware
all he said was that MS is acting as though you are gaining something from this 'securing' when really its just securing said box from its owners.
god you must be extremely stupid. Sony, though hasn't handed out kits/info for linux on the ps2 or any other thing....most certainly doesn't have the history that ms has and the plans that ms will unveil in its attempt to control anything and everything.
Christ, it amazes me how people can't see this. MS's products may be decent for some people, they may not technically be 'evil' but it's plain as day what they intend to do in the future and what they have done in the past, and it almost never is to help their consumers or the people.
And no, they are under no obligation help anyone. But guess what, they are under no obligation to buy. I've never bought an MS product, save the 5$ copy of XP from my school. And I don't even use that.
It can be done, yes. It is being done, yes. It will continue to get better, yes. It is based on open (almost)standards, yes. It is free, yes.
The joys of opensource. Sure, they may be playing a lil catchup...sure it isn't in the main kernel yet but thats a Good Thing.
I'm sorry, I cannot trust anything with companies who do things as MS does it. Do you read the licenses? Do you know what you sign away? Do you really know what is going on in your spare CPU cycles. Sorry, maybe if you are a company and can afford it and need the solutions now ms might be the way to go. But it seems to me it's never really any less work, just more familiar to the masses.
yes i have 3.3MP sony dsc75 and I love it. 8x10s are indiscernable from 35mm(and I've worked in the photo biz). However, youre comment about uploading is rather stupid. One of, if not the main reason digital rocks...is the ability to just go home, look at, edit and CHOOSE which ones you want printed. If your just gonna shoot and print all 24/36 whatever...you might as well shoot film.
by that concept you can have any music fair and square without supporting the cartel, since nearly every cd(especially new releases) are available used.
The money to start and initialize a company come from it's shareholders NOT its customers.
This isn't a hard concept. This isn't your frfriend forking over a 20, not expecting a return. People invest in companies knowing they will have PART OWNERSHIP. They are the owners. Management/CEOS/whatever are the EMPLOYEES(though most have stock themselves).
because in the end, grammar doesnt really matter. Sure, it may be somewhat indicative of their intelligence but most certainly not of their ability to help lead our country. We don't need ivy schooled ceos. We need farmer bob. We need to get back to the basics of PEOPLE representing PEOPLE. Not elite representing the common people. "Politician" shouldnt really be a career choice. Or, if it must be...it should come with a more reasonable civil service salary so as to discourage all but the truely service-oriented to run and serve.
99% of people have no need to go out and spend 200$ on an OS they dont need. They will be switched when they purchase a new computer when the time comes.
The majority of PC users are not hardcore/ constant upgrade/ top of the line users. They don't need much.
That said...I still run 98 even though I have XP.. XP wouldnt allow me to reactivate after I needed a fresh install. I'm sorry, IM not calling an 800 number to recieve permission to use software I purchased.
telecom net programs seem the worst guinea pigs... as a group they are more likely to accept and participate in something like this, and as a group the represent a very very very small part of a whole.
Slashdot Mirror
ummm... appreciate the past. plan for the future.
Our digital world now has brought new 'rights' that earlier movements never thought would exist. To settle for the fact that we have alot of physical rights now because of past protesting, doesnt mean we should fight for our digital rights....or any rights left that are being stripped from us.
I'm sorry. I never buy the: it used to be worse bullshit. Or even better: it could be worse. Never settle.
ummm no, you had to subscribe to msn and pay them.
so, if you didnt have an exsisting isp, wanted to switch and wanted to make a 2 year agreement with one then it is an ok deal.
2 years is a long time...alot of people i know how opted for the rebate in buying a new pc recently regret it now.
the first two are statements, not questions.
pardon my grammar and excessive 'ings' i have a headache ;)
ummm Im sorry.
The world population doesnt equate GNU with free software. Geeks do. Grandma doesn't.
And you know what, in the business word "linux" is equated with free software. OMG Kill LINUS he stole GNUs thunder.
Give me a break. You let it go for free for whatever anyone wants to do with it. No one renamed the packages or denys the exisiting of the software...they just dont name their new product after it. Christ. Follow your own gpl. Or rewrite it so that any producting using code from your product must includes your products name in its name.
maybe its me, but I can find more software to accomplish my tasks with linux. Its easier to evaluate several options cause it's usually free. I dont see that many windows products out there, or innovation either. Im not talking the racks at best buy, Im talking overall quantity and selection. But alas, comps are used 99% for: business related *OFFICE* programs, word proc and games. So no, niche stuff doesn't really matter. But linux is making strides, and consumers love the word free.
And hey, while I brought it up.
Im 3834873737% for short hightech lifecycles including software.
BUT, this should mean the copyright goes too. If you are gonna claim it is no longer viable or needed for you to support something you have sold then you forfeit your right to protect it.
who cares
;)
MS's business model shouldnt exist.
They let use a piece of software that you purchased, only under their conditions...giving them as much control as they want to claim in a EULA...and of course without owing you anything by way of merchantibility.
I wouldn't mind software licensing if companies were actually held responsible for holding up their end of the bargain.
Personally closed source is useful for a couple things: custom applications on strange platforms for strange devices that some company may have already developed and is selling that meets your needs. And, extensions of that idea.
A whole lot else can be met with opensource. Almost every small business can be run with an entirely opensource setup. Small business is the major brunt of America's economy. Personal users are even more dificult for the penetration and learning curve...but as the young computer saavy grow up and the old computer illiterate die, we will have a mostly computer literate society.
Personally I think any small business can do very well and save a boatload of money by hiring a consultant to setup some boxes, install required software and go. No more licensing fees. None of that crap. Got a problem? Bring back the consultant, hell youd need a few fulltime MCSEs anyways. Need an app not made? I vision a work-for-hire opportunity for programmers, maybe with some sort of middle-man.
Who knows. Anyways, I'm all for copyright, Im all for protecting your created code...but I'm also all for customer service. And MS dicks its customers, and shouldnt be allowed to do that with the leverage of their existing monopoly. Companies should have 0.00000 rights.
NEWSFLASH: Automakers unite! Now one conglomerate of a company, they buy the propane industry and switch to propane. Refuse warranties on older vehicles claiming its lifecycle is over. Now what ya gonna do? I hope the govt would step in eh?
are you an idiot?
he said nothing of closed source vs open source.
he said nothing proprietary software/hardware
all he said was that MS is acting as though you are gaining something from this 'securing' when really its just securing said box from its owners.
god you must be extremely stupid. Sony, though hasn't handed out kits/info for linux on the ps2 or any other thing....most certainly doesn't have the history that ms has and the plans that ms will unveil in its attempt to control anything and everything.
Christ, it amazes me how people can't see this. MS's products may be decent for some people, they may not technically be 'evil' but it's plain as day what they intend to do in the future and what they have done in the past, and it almost never is to help their consumers or the people.
And no, they are under no obligation help anyone. But guess what, they are under no obligation to buy. I've never bought an MS product, save the 5$ copy of XP from my school. And I don't even use that.
http://acl.bestbits.at/
It can be done, yes.
It is being done, yes.
It will continue to get better, yes.
It is based on open (almost)standards, yes.
It is free, yes.
The joys of opensource. Sure, they may be playing a lil catchup...sure it isn't in the main kernel yet but thats a Good Thing.
I'm sorry, I cannot trust anything with companies who do things as MS does it. Do you read the licenses? Do you know what you sign away? Do you really know what is going on in your spare CPU cycles. Sorry, maybe if you are a company and can afford it and need the solutions now ms might be the way to go. But it seems to me it's never really any less work, just more familiar to the masses.
hahaha that was a nice start to my morning, thanks :)
yes i have 3.3MP sony dsc75 and I love it. 8x10s are indiscernable from 35mm(and I've worked in the photo biz). However, youre comment about uploading is rather stupid. One of, if not the main reason digital rocks...is the ability to just go home, look at, edit and CHOOSE which ones you want printed. If your just gonna shoot and print all 24/36 whatever...you might as well shoot film.
damn youre right
microsoft is gonna have a 'secure' windows soon
the people discovering these exploits are most definitely 'hacker's. Prollly moreso than you.
ummm, by that token you cant use anyone elses computer.
by that concept you can have any music fair and square without supporting the cartel, since nearly every cd(especially new releases) are available used.
ummm he didnt say weak. He said fat. Have you ever seen obese people maneuver objects, when they themselves are the main obstacle.
The money to start and initialize a company come from it's shareholders NOT its customers.
This isn't a hard concept. This isn't your frfriend forking over a 20, not expecting a return. People invest in companies knowing they will have PART OWNERSHIP. They are the owners. Management/CEOS/whatever are the EMPLOYEES(though most have stock themselves).
It's really a simple concept.
any system with a dvd drive
because in the end, grammar doesnt really matter. Sure, it may be somewhat indicative of their intelligence but most certainly not of their ability to help lead our country. We don't need ivy schooled ceos. We need farmer bob. We need to get back to the basics of PEOPLE representing PEOPLE. Not elite representing the common people. "Politician" shouldnt really be a career choice. Or, if it must be...it should come with a more reasonable civil service salary so as to discourage all but the truely service-oriented to run and serve.
ummm ok
99% of people have no need to go out and spend 200$ on an OS they dont need. They will be switched when they purchase a new computer when the time comes.
The majority of PC users are not hardcore/ constant upgrade/ top of the line users. They don't need much.
That said...I still run 98 even though I have XP.. XP wouldnt allow me to reactivate after I needed a fresh install. I'm sorry, IM not calling an 800 number to recieve permission to use software I purchased.
rereading I may not have been clear. the dvd was free
;)
37.99 value in rentals
19.99 value in dvd
-----------------
58 bucks for 25
I paid 24.99 for a LOTR 10week BB rental card. You get one free rental a week for 10 weeks. I bought it in july. Value from that alone is 37.99 ;)
:)
Plus, I got a widescreen DVD lotr last tuesday when it came out.
Please note: I rent movies weekly anyways, so it DID save me good money
telecom net programs seem the worst guinea pigs... as a group they are more likely to accept and participate in something like this, and as a group the represent a very very very small part of a whole.