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Combined DVD Burners Coming Soon
MonMotha writes "Sony recently announced plans to make a DVD burner capable of supporting both the - (DVD-R and DVD-RW) as well as the + (DVD+RW and DVD+R) standards for burnable DVD media. This move could spur the adoption of DVD burners, which have been poor sellers so far, partly due to the lack of a single standard for writable and rewritable media. The drive will not support the older DVD-RAM due to it's plastic casing."
What type of casing does DVD-RAM use?
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Sheesh. Who the fuck came up with all of these "standards"; it ain't a standard unless everyone's using it, and with this myriad of incompatible whimsical formats floating around, it's no surprise there's been no market acceptance.
I think the real benifit of this is that older DVD burners will come down in price, perhaps so I can afford one
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Its too bad they aren't going to support the DVD-RAM format... The fact that the discs were in cassets gave them very long life times and made them really good long term storage devices. Of course becuase they have a casing they cost a lot more and the mechanics needed to work with them are more complex.
Oh well, the best technology doesn't always win in the end.
I'm assuming each manufactured liked theirs best, and didn't want to adopt someone else's (and possibly pay for it.) DVD recordable drives have just seemed like more hassle than they are worth.
if this little puppy could burn cdr and cdrw disks as well, I'd be sold. too bad there is no mention of said ability in the article.
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We don't need this! Why would anyone ever need to carry more than 1.44mb around with them? ;)
It sounds awfully confusing for a normal consumer if they buy one of these super combined dvd burners...
can you imagine? This guy wants to burn a dvd, but when he hits burn, he has 4-5 choices to pick between( DVD-R, DVD+R, etc...). While this is good for more technical people, I can't see this being a feature normal consumers would buy this for.
I personally think there needs to be one standard.
fuck that. no matter what these H03Z do, CD-R will always be the one that you come back to time after time.
To me this looks like a good reason to get a DVD burner (well as soon as I know that it will work under linux) but I worry about sony putting some sort of hardware based DRM (Digital Rights Managment) into the drive.
i.e. preventing the drive from recording in raw mode
Technology is most abused by the very people it was created to help
its the cost thats the problem not the standard , a genaric dvd burner runs around 264$(pricewatch)(400$ at my local comp usa) a lot more then most people are willing to spend when they rarely use more then a normal cdr. Its cheaper to buy a hard drive
a mere troll who dosn't know dick. has nothing of merit to post. Apple is doing great sucker, their superdrive rocks, you don't... I really hope that DVD formats can stabilize, that way more people can enjoy being able to burn their own movies etc. I just wish that more people could just respond to the thread and quit trolling like a moron...
You know, this really *isn't* good for DVD recording ....
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:)
I can't wait for the day we standardize. Don't really care which wins the "war", but it needs to be one or the other.
Nobody is going to look at the label on a 50-pack in the store to see if it's a DVD-R or DVD+R. DVD recording won't take off till Bill the Accountant can walk into CompUSA and ask for a pack of DVD discs to put his stuff on without having to worry about brands and standards and all that jazz....
We just need to pick one and let the other one die off
Of course, I'd +prefer+ it to be DVD-R, just 'cuz my Apple SuperDrive^W^WPioneer DVR-A03 is a DVD-R.
Drives are min $300 for a -R/-Ram.
But many people have CD-Rs.
DVD-R and CD-R media both cost $.2 per gig now.
The startup cost is so much it seems better
to buy a few IDE drives and wait till the price
comes down. The only good thing is the (linear)
rewriteable -RW which are as cheap as -R which is
great.
And why not include -RAM? Its media is cheaper
than +RW (the most similar), and it is so established.
Well this is what I've been waiting for, it might be +1 redundant but a DVD writer that supports both is a great solution for those that don't wish to wait until one standard takes over.
Some competitor is going to release yet another standard that will knock this super drive off of its pedestal. Maybe this will knock down the prices in the other non-super drives. I just can't wait for these things to cost below $100 like CD-RW drives. But, I have a feeling that won't happen in the near future until everyone gets their act together and decides on a single, standard format. All we can do is wait.
I used to work retail, and I can tell you the number one reason why these things aren't being readily adopted: piracy, or rather lack thereof.
/.ers just said, "yeah" and Joe User spaced out when I mentioned DeCSS. On top of that, creating a DVD of home videos is difficult for Joe unless he's running an Apple, but he heard those suck 'cause they can't run windows. (Note to Apple fans: I said for Joe User, not for real people. I own two apples, and I love 'em).
I'm serious. I've owned three different CD Burners going back to the days when they started to become remotely affordable (as DVD burners are now). When I first got them, truth be told, it was for the purpose of creating mix CDs (completely legal) and burning MP3s found from the various FTP sites (this was around the time when Napster was just barely registering on geek radar, much less the public's eye). My current unit hasn't ever written a single CD with music on it (at least not for the purpose of playing in a CD player... I've probably archived an mp3 at some point). I use it heavily for backing up data, particularly TV shows that I time shift and digital photos.
But this isn't what the average Joe user uses it for. I know, I talk to them every day. They want it for music, almost exclusively for music. In fact, a lot of Joe Users aren't aware that CD burners can be used for anything else (seriously).
From Joe User's perspective, copying a CD is easy. Converting and burning an MP3 is easy. It's all done with fun, easy wizards. Drag and drop songs until the wizard says the CD is "full". Press start.
doing the same with DVDs isn't easy. First, I have to contend with running DeCSS and ripping the video off of the DVD. Assuming the source is a single layer, single side DVD, all I have to do is write and go. Assuming it isn't, now I have to split the source file into two different DVDs or recompress into a tighter space. See, all the
DVD Burners do have many great uses, just as CD Burners do, even to Joe. But for him, the gateway use is copying movies, just as his gateway use on the CD burner was copying CDs. Would he discover cool uses for his DVD burner just as he did his CD Burner? Sure. But right now it's too difficult for him to use it for what he perceives to be it's primary purpose.
The Pioneer drive that Apple puts in their PowerMac and new iMacs (dubbed "SuperDrive") is really nice, but it doesn't do +RW. Dell is putting someone elses DVD writer in their computers that does +RW but they don't even offer a -RW alternative.
And besides, Sony is the best darn electronics company on the planet (:
Maybe now I can upgrade my Sony 12x to a DVD writer. What are the speeds up to these days?
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Now just please tell me when HP is going to own up to their promise to provide owners of the DVD 100i the capability to burn DVD-r's (one way or another). At this point, I'm leaning towards avoiding any first generation product offered from anyone, and specifically avoiding any and all HP purchases in the future. If you're going to promise something, make sure it's possible first; and don't edit the FAQ later without so much as telling anyone to make it look like you never promised what you did, in fact, promise. Remember, the people who buy the first-gen products are the ones who help shape what hits mainstream.
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I just think it's about hilarious that the word "standards" is actually used.
If there is more than one, how can it even be standard? Sure, I realize that they individally have their own protocol , but having more than one nullifies the word standard right? Or no?
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Kind of makes ya wonder if they will...
one does have to wonder:
with the "keychain USB flash storage thingys" multiplying size every couple monthes or so, why DO you need to shell out that much dough for DVD burners?
i mean, i can get 512MB worth of go-anywhere storage on a key chain. OR i can get credit card sized CDR worth 30M or so for a quarter or so each. so... what's the benefit of a 5 dollar DVDR disk again?
i'd say money is better spent on wireless connectivity, bluetooth and the like, which is more convenient, less hassle, and no ongoing maintainence cost (media).
for archival purposes (the above has been regard to data-sharing), get a second hard disk. i am willing to say that everyone (personal use) has the CRITICAL data which would all fit onto about a CD, maybe two. kids who do video editing or whatever may need more, but then they already got DVDR and stuff already anyway... me as average joe, i am sticking with floppies.
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Supporting both is just going to delay the inevitable unifying standard. I bought a HP DVD 200e, just because it is external and lets me use firewire. I can't fit a 5 ¼ bay in my notebook so I had to pass on the less expensive IDE drives. When I bought the 200e I had no idea what + or - was. I leaped before investigating. Sony is just creating another piece of hardware that will be the novelty of proprietary standards.
I bought an HP... long live +R.
A good site that outlines the differences is vcdhelp.com
I can't wait to see the labels for this one:
"the new Sony DVD(\+|\-)R(|W) Foo2002! Now super-easy for you and your family!"
Even funnier, this won't help much with limiting the playback confusion - some of these formats are data-centric, others video player-centric... and do _any_ of these encompass the Audio standard?
According to news out this week, Sony has been quietly building CD-RW burners with anti-copying technology built in. Sony is also leading the push on drm legislation which will take away your fair use rights to backup that CD/DVD for protection from scratches, aging, and many other purposes, which are legal under fair use law.
It's up to you to decide whether you will support a company that is trying as hard as possible to prevent you from transfering music from your CD to your Rio or your car, or for backup purposes, etc.
It's up to you to decide whether Sony is acting in your best interest, or their own selfish interests by setting up a tollbooth on the digital highway that is becoming harder and harder to avoid.
How many of you knew that Sony was building anti-copying technology into their CD-RW burners that they are currently selling? I certainly didn't know, but since I refuse to purchase any Sony products due to their stance on "digital rights management", I am somewhat protected. By avoiding the companies that are pushing hard on drm, I am mitigating some of the damage they are doing to my ability to backup my property.
btw, have you unchecked the drm box in wmp before burning that CD? If not, you burned drm anti-copying abilities into your CDs.
See NYFairUse for more info.
That's a big deterrent for me anyway. $20 for 5 blanks vs. 50 or 100 blank CDRs for $10 ... or $0 after rebate in many cases.
The sure fire way to tell that DVD is widely accepted is when you hear "Dude! Your're getting a free DVD writer or Printer with purchase".
CDR is going to be more popular until DVD prices are down to cd writer prices and one format is singled out.
Until that happens, i will fuck your mother's asshole
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Maybe that's because you have to go out and buy them.
I disagree that the lack of a single unified standard has had a significant depressive influence on the sale of recordable DVD drives. I think that it's rather a lack of demand.
In other words, how many people actually have a driven requirement to burn DVDs? While most of us geeks would think that it's an immensely desirable thing, in actuality, the average PC user doesn't have a need for DVD-R technology.
While the media has been making it sound like all the rage, home-producing video DVDs is actually not yet widespread. It's great use of quality technology, but the average Joe doesn't do it...yet.
Storage space is extremely cheap -- $100 for 120 GB IDE drives. To the average user, that's an immense, almost dauntingly large amount of space which they'll probably never use. Why spend extra on a DVD recordable drive, and several bucks each on DVD media when you don't need that much space (4.7 GB per disc, usually) in a transportable form?
The fact is, most people don't need DVD-recordable drives. If they did, they'd purchase one regardless of the lack of a single unified standard, as long as the product does what it needs to. That's a fairly typical consumer mindset with computer technology recently -- "who cares about the standards, because they'll all be different in another month!"
On the Apple side, it's profitable for them to offer DVD-R technology as a standard, because their users are typically more multimedia-centric, and have suitable user-friendly tools for the most basic to the most advanced users to utilize the technology to its fullest. For most PC-users, it's merely purchasing a machine with superfluous technology.
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The great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from :-)
...comes with POWERFUL combined DVD burner support!
...there are so many to choose from.
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Will they call it... a CD±RW drive?
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...but now can I make the joke about One burner to rule them all?
I keep looking at these drives, but from what I've read if you put a SVCD on to a DVD-RW a normal player won't read it. They expect DVD Video on a DVD-RW disc, not SVCD.
Anyone know some good software to convert SVCD to DVD Vid?
I was discussing this very subject today. It's pertty much agreed that the biggest problem is the cost of the drive itself, followed by the cost of media.
My guess it that the price point for wide purchase of DVD Writers is $179...why $179? Well, this suggests that the $199 point would have already been reached...but most think "That's just $200"...no one want's to pay $200 for a drive....And $189 would have also been broken...but some won't buy there...and when you get to $179, you already have 3 choices under $200 and this suggest a good selection. And at the $179 price point, this suggests that there is likely to be a $169 drive in the near future...and you're no longer talking ~$200, but ~$150.
For some, media cost is a problem, but it's likely to go down as soon as ppl start buying burners.
The real problem is, lack of cheap drive manufacturers...you know, the Lite-Ons and the Pacific Digitals (Mostly repackaged Mitsumis).
After being sent four or five DVD+Rs and DVD-Rs by subcontractors, none of which were readable in standard DVD-ROM drives, and none of which were labeled by the user as anything other than DVD (though of course on the inside package the disks did say DVD-R and DVD+R; one was even labeled CD-R by the user on the outside package, and it was only discovered that it was a DVD when they brought it down to me because it didn't work in their drives, and I pointed out the DVD-R markings), I'll be glad for a drive that can read anything and write anything.
The Israelis have much better weapons in which to kill Palestinian children with. Weapons supplied by the US to the tune of $3 billion a year. Now if we were to also give the Palestinians $3 billion a year, they wouldn't be using suicide bombers to kill Israelis, they would be killing Israelis from afar with F-16's.
Once you graduate grade school and are able to read, you will find that sharon is a butcher who has ordered the death of hundreds of Palestinian children. Sharon should be held accountable for his war crimes and tried before an international court. The UN has tried, but every attempt has been subverted by the US. What is the US covering up? Why the unconditional support of Israel? Why does the US condone the killing of Palestinian children by Israel?
The Palestinian suicide bombers might be bad, but not nearly as bad as the US sponsered slaughter of palestinian children.
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The first move will undoubtedly cause many short termed suits concern. They will think that money is lost from competition, yet fail to see that the competition would then be over implementation much like it is an other aspects of computing... not the format. Consumers want something that is as simple to use but as broad in use and acceptance as possible. If the suits have forgotten this, then they have forgotten who their business is much less what their customers want. That translates into a situation where said suit should have his ass stomped for being a moron and then promptly put someone with business sense in his/her place.
Next, the actual design if well planned and implemented will lend itself well to adoption by various media makers, hardware vendors, and resellers. This will therefore increase the actual market exposure and increase the potential net amount for the company.
Example: 1337d0odZ company produces a proprietary and limited (by design and end features) protocol and because of that has access to a market of about 50k. However, if the specs are released and designed well in the first place then the suits worst nightmare will come to pass. "OMG!" the suits will say... we have dropped to only 40% of the market as opposed to the 80% we shared when everything was propietary. Of course back in the realm of logical creatures, we see that the market has actually increased to 500k due to increased acceptance by end users, vendors and resellers. If they are smart, they will have first made deals with media producers, Multimedia (movies, music, data, etc) producers, and secondary hardware vendors to provide package deals to increase the love all around, possibly increasing not only just market share but per unit profit.
With this, the 1337d0odZ are able to amass a pirates cache of profit in the short to mid term while setting themselves for a much smoother ride because of vendor and end user trust, acceptance and recognition (as in brand recognition). If they understand the value of customer service and cross product support then they will do great.
Got lucky in Wal-Mart and picked up 2 Philips DVD+RW burners for $78.84 apiece when they were selling for ~$480 each. Talk about rolling back the prices. They must have screwed up and thought they were selling CD-RW drives 'cause I haven't seen them since.
I'm still running on 512k of RAM, no one will ever need more than that.
He's right.. When's the last time you saw a Jew blow themselves up along with women and small children? Or, how about a white chritian?
"White christians" may have not comitted suicide in acts of terrorism, but many sure have committed some. To name a few:
Timothy McVeigh
The KKK members involved in the Birmingham, Alabama church bombing of the 1960s.
White supremacists involved in various "lynching" and "night rides" of the 50s and 60s.
Even my CAT has more sense than to blow herself up.
Well, obviously. Cats dont have the appendages to manufacture and don a suicide-bomb in the first place.
I've never met a normal muslim.
Youre obviously that same moron posting "white power" messages on the board.
The reason why you have never met a normal muslim is because you never walked past ten feet out of your trailer-trash home in your white-trash neighborhood.
Millions of Americans tell you this if they heard your racist filth:
"Go back to your trailer, white trash."
Its suprising to see that some people fail to see the larger picture which DVD-R brings. Walk into any Blockbuster/VideoEzy/Video library, rent a movie overnight, stick it into your PC and start ripping and recompressing, and burn the movie onto your DVD-R. Total cost for movie ownership - $5 for rental and $5 for blank DVD-R. This will get cheaper, since blank media prices will fall. Most video libraries also offer a rent 5 movies for $10 deal, so you can get 5 movies for $35, or $7 each at current prices. Of course, you have to factor in burner and PC ammortisation and electricity, but you get the general idea. When blank disks cost $2 each, you're looking at $4 for pirated movie disks. Great value in any book, when you take into consideration that most movies cost $20 or so. You miss out on the menus and extra features, but you can always burn them onto another disk. The best thing is that you dont get to see the FBI style warnings before every disk (telling you how wrong it is to do what you've just done).
The best part about this situation is that free software already exists which can rip a DVD and compress it to fit on a 4.38Gb (4.7G) disk at the push of a button. Just hit start, flip disks 2 hours later, and hit burn. If you have a second DVD-ROM, you dont even have to hit burn - insert the two disks (original and blank), and just hit Start.
Of course, the MPAA will catch onto this soon, but its too late to introduce new counter measures. The cat is out of the bag.
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Mod parent up! and the answer to your question: Jews hold votes. They have a pretty large percentage of the US population. If "Dubya" doesn't support the Jews, he won't get re-elected.
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Just as soon as these burners hit the markets, I expect Sony to introduce SVDVD (Super Video Digital Video Disk), with a higher bandwidth and a richer, emotionally more intense "look" that is often compared to film.
The SVDVD signal will, of course, be recorded on a special third layer that cannot be seen, let alone read, by any device sold as a computer peripheral.
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Until such time as DVD audio players start showing up for home and car use there will be a whole less incentive for consumers to burn their own DVDs.....
Can someone please explain to me, the difference between the PLUS and the DASH standards?
I doubt right away, at least for home use. Chances are that such a drive supporting as many standards as that will be prohibitably expensive for anyone other than businesses. Give it a year or so I guess.
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When I bought my PowerMac, Apple was having trouble keeping the Combo drive (CD-RW/DVD) in stock, and since both of those were requirements of mine, I ended up going with the Superdrive.
This summer, I was put into a position where I had to distribute about 3.2 gigs worth of material to numerous people by mail.
Borken up into somewhat logical chunks, the material took seven CD-Rs.
The solution, obviously, was to burn DVD-Rs. I was amazed at how easy it was and how effectively it worked. At 2x, I burned the material in a little over 20 minutes per disc.
In the end, I am glad I ended up paying the extra for the Superdrive. The ability to assure that most everyone would be able to read the discs in their DVD drive equipped PC was very nice.
My big comment: I see no reason for RW for most material. CD-Rs have gotten so cheap that I do not mind burning 30 megs worth of pictures to take to the local print shop for printing. I just throw the disc away after that.
I do not see a strong reason to deal with slower burn speeds and more expensive media just to be able to reuse what I now consider to be disposible media.
That might just be me.
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Four years ago, a few people would buy CD-Rs for pirating audio cds and computer/playstation games. Since they were still quite expensive, they'd charge people they knew $5 to copy discs, thus helping to recoup some of their costs. Sort of like a community-owned CD-R drive, only one person actually controls it.
Nobody does that with DVD-R drives currently, because it's not really possible to copy a DVD to a DVD-R and have it play in standard DVD players. So very few people want them.
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
Even when CD-R's weren't that easy to use, they at least weren't too difficult either, and worked. You could take an audio CD, copy it to another audio CD, and have it play in any standard CD player.
You can't do that with DVDs. You can't take a DVD, copy it to another DVD, and have it play in the vast majority of DVD players. It'll only work if you burn your own videos to DVD, or if you have a hacked player of some sort.
So in a way, the copy-protection thing is working. Sure, you can defeat it, but most people don't bother. They want a DVD that plays on their player, and it's hard to get a pirated one that does, so they just buy a legitimate copy.
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
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Actually, ever since Sony released the PCG-U1 I have officially been her bitch.
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It's impossible to do an exact bit-for-bit copy of a DVD to a DVD-R, because the blank DVD-R media has some bits in the header burned out. So most such copies won't play on most DVD players, at least without some modification (either a firmware hack, a modchip, or discovery of an easter-egg in the firmware).
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
The space for CSS key blocks is nonwritable on standard DVD media.
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I don't know about you but my CDs have it pretty rough. Getting the hell scratched out of them putting them in different people's computers etc... DVD-RAM would be perfect for me! There's no way to scratch it. For God sakes why won't someone make a mainstream optical media in a plastic case?!?!?! Tapes went from reels to cassettes. Why can't optical media? Again... I hate Zip, Jaz etc because they can come in contact with the head and get damaged. DVD-RAM is the ultimate storage IMHO.
I think its about time the good ole Compact Disc
be put to rest and DVD Discs be the standard
for movies, music, games, app. software, etc...
BTW it really pisses me off that any CD player
besides my computer CD player has a tough time
playing burned audio CD-RW, not finalized disc's.
Is there a solution around that would let me
play CD-RW, not finalized audio with data in like
executable files while still being able to copy
and delete files on the disc without getting
an ERROR in 0ther standard CD players?
While I'd agree that there should be a single standard for burning DVD's, its about time someone has put it all together in package. I, for one, will be heading out to get this unit when it finally does ship.
I'm sure that other brands will be quick to follow Sony's lead.
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When they finally (if ever) decide on a standard for the DVD recordable formats, will they be compatible with current (and future) DVD drives? I'd buy a DVD[+/-]R drive or whatever they call the new standard for backup purposes, as long as it was compatible with other dvd (player) drives I have and may buy in the future. If not, well, then I probably won't buy one.
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Sony have been in the poo with the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) a number of times now.
They add 'regioning' to their Playstation 2 games, so you can't play games from different regions on the 1 playstation. They are a member of the DVD cartel who are forcing the same regioning on DVD consumers.
They are trying to sue people for buying AND selling Playstation MOD chips.
They are the most expensive brand, but lack the quality to justify the premium.
Go with a more consumer-friendly company. They aren't hard to find...
Well, they hate jews, so they can't be that bad!
As long as you can read both formats, and write in the +r/+rw formats, do you really need something that can write both?
In this regard I would look at the Sony DRU120A or the Ricoh MP5125A. These (from what I have read) can read both +r/+rw and -r/-rw formats, and write in the +R/+RW. Don't confuse this with the earlier ricoh MP51250A which can't do +r
If I buy new discs (and they are cheap enough), as long as I can read the old ones I don't care if I can't write them.
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One thing I hate about new standards and most technologies, is that they tend to keep the "final" on a shelf until they can squeeze every single stepping out from pratically useless to the final product.
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CDroms, 1x, 2x, 3x, 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x, 20x, 24x, 32x, 40x, 48x, 56x, (and the blowing one from a previous slashdot story?
CD-R, same pattern.
Guess what, yes when they did the 1x they probably didn't have a 48x machine working off the bat, but in all of the steppings you've seen above, probably only 3 stepping were required and the rest were physically locked with a firmware, etc..
Where I am going with this? Well, simple. In some cases, it's acceptable and even good to hold off technology for a buisness model to work and for a company to have enough time to do R&D and accumulate enough revenues to sustain the operating costs, that's the goal of this maneuver.
But this is where I get upset:
DVD-RW (or +RW or anything for that matter) we were promised double layer double density double sided. The only thing we got is double-crossed. Right now we're sitting on a 4.7GB medium that was supposed to be 4x that amount (or at least 2x with the double layer and you'd have to turn the disc). DVD's been around for quite a while, yet, I'm not remotely impressed by this technology anymore. I've recently picked up a 99$ dvd player (about time they came down to that price) and why did Y buy it? because it was playing CD-R, CD-RW, VCD/SVCD, MP3 and mpeg-1 video burned on joliette CD. That was the interresting part about it.
I would have been an INSTANT adopter at an overpriced range if they would have brought the technology they had promised. When the VHS VCD came out, and tapes were costing a bundle, I bought them, I loved the technology, I loved what it could bring me, and I didn't get lied to or hyped with what it would be and got 1/2 of it.
DVD, when it got out, should have been 9.4GB-ready from the start, more expensive units should have had 2-sided reader/writer and cheaper units needing to turn the disk or buy a 1sided disc. They could have segmented the market like this for the home and pro. They could have kept the readers-only for cheap for mass-adoption and everything would have worked out just fine and probably taken off more seriously. They've had to retain, and now you get technology like TIVO that records a lot more, manages better than handling 30 dvds, and just plain rocks.
Of course when they'll hit 99$ they will become interresting, but probably Hollywood will unleash that incompatible 2layer-blue-2sided-blabla laserdisc format...
Anyways my rant isn't about this stuff comming out, it's about WHEN it comes out (blattantly retarded) and how it comes out, the cutdown features, and the fact that it's almost obsolete with other technologies on the edge. Too bad they aren't getting as much competition as the microprocessor sector is getting, because today you'd have HDVD that would support full HDTV signal with full quality and not only READ about it or have one prototype if you got 5 digits to spare. oh well...
--- Metamoderating abusive downgraders since my 300th post.
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You owe me new underwear buddy!
That was fucking HILARIOUS!!
How and why do you come up with stuff like that? The creative process fascinates me.
So far, though, I've been pretty satisfied with my Pioneer DVR-A03. It supports DVD-R/RW and CD-R/RW. I can't really say that I've missed DVD+R/RW capability.
However, having more vendors shipping DVD-R/RW drives will obviously help drive down the price.
What I really want (aside from the aformentioned sharks) is a laptop DVD-R/RW, CD-R/RW drive that will fit in my Fujtisu Lifebook P-2040 subnotebook. It came with a Toshiba SD-R2102 combo drive that can read DVD and DVD-R media (I haven't tried other DVD formats), and write CD-R/RW. But being able to burn DVD-R on the go would be a nice improvement.
Even though laptop DVD-R/RW drives have been announced, I'll probably have to wait until Fujitsu offers one for a Lifebook, because they use a custom bezel. Unless maybe I can use the bezel from the SD-R2102. Time will tell.
DVD[+-]RW?
No, some of them didn't. And "white trash" is the perfect adjective to describe you.
If I understod you correctly, then what kinds of titles were available at that price ? Older stuff ?
80% of demand from the public is for 20% of recent hit titles, which is priced far higher.
Anyway, your conclusions were correct - Do you hear me? RIAA? No need to create a policial state. Just price your stuff right!
"Congress - the best democracy money can buy"
DVD burners are slow on uptake because there are different standards, you say?
Gee. Here was I, thinking the reason I didn't buy a DVD burner was primarily the cost of the media, compared to CD-R. As long as I don't need to master a DVD, but just need data backup, CD-Rs come at 35 cents a gig, whereas DVD-Rs are around a dollar a gig still.
So my question to myself is "Would I pay three times the money for a disc burner, and three times the price for the media, to get them on DVD format instead of CD?". My answer to that question is "no".
I don't care too much about the competing standards - both DVD-R and DVD+R can be read in a regular DVD reader, and as long as that's the case, the media format would be a non-issue when selecting a DVD burner, as far as compatibility goes.
I cannot imagine I am the only human on Earth to reason this way.
That's great and all...but what the hell is the difference between all of them? Joe Consumer doesn't give a rats ass that there is DVD+R or DVD-RW....he just cares about burning the damn DVD.
I could do the same thing for years with VHS but I never did. Thing is pretty much when I rent a movie, I see it once and then I'm done, I don't care to have a copy. Too much effort and an unnecessary fee for the blank to make a copy. If I wanted to won it, I'd buy it and get a higher quality copy. Well DVD-Rs aren't big enough to hold most commerical movies. You'd have to srtip out all the extras and audio tracks to make most fit and teh big ones you'd have to reocde to a lower bitrate. No thnaks, I want all that stuff, I'll buy the DVD for teh few I want to own, and just rent the rest.
Don't buy Sony CDRW or DVDRW drives. Sony is Evil. Don't buy Sony digicams or computers either. Sony is a member of the MPAA/RIAA block. They have no interest in YOUR rights. They cripple their machines to block fair use (even if it is hidden). Maybe you shouldn't buy their TV's either if you want to time shift your tv shows. Think DRM and digital tv. Doesn't mix with Sony.
Forget about that DRM stuff. Sony just put out a neat-o new shiny object.
The boycott is off again!
It's about time someone woke up and did this, but why does it have to be Sony ? We know their interests lie elsewhere. Sony, creator of dozens of proprietary formats that never flew out of the mother's nest. Why would they suddenly turn around and start working with others ? And their cd-r track record is, well, pathetic. I remember using a 2x Spressa burner, which sucked goats even for its time. Then I tried a 12x, still badly crippled and lacking many current features and abilities.
:) Will this DVD-R unit be somehow protected from duplicating PS2 games ? It's a stretch, but coming from Sony I'm prepared for the worst.
Now what, they'll make a DVD burner that only burns on Sony media, and only lets you burn what it wants to burn ? I mean, these guys made the PS2, which is plagued by DVD-R backups (tee-hee
-Billco, Fnarg.com
if I could burn a DVD and play it in my entertainment center DVD player. I want to burn DVD-ROMs, not DVD-RAMs.
I bought one from esbuy.
Sony's (+RW) drive is this drive rebranded.
the Minus RW format is bad. The writers are slower, and it doesn't write in a variable bit rate format that a DVD Video player can read.
That get us all this copyright "protection" shit that just fucks up legitimate uses of the equipment. Do us all a favor and eat glass before you pirate another DVD M'kay?
What is the US covering up? Why the unconditional support of Israel? Why does the US condone the killing of Palestinian children by Israel? .
Because the US supported israel from the start and is too egotistic to admit if it makes a mistake.
Don't forget Firewire. You can get a Firewire external enclosure for $120. This will make your hard drive hot-pluggable.