I think that if we look at what could happen with this we'd find it would have some major effects through the open source community Microsoft will have to lure the typically open source developer to even spend the bandwidth to download it, much less develop it. This is well within their means -- in fact probably would be cheaper for them to bring out a few hunder OSS developers than paying for in house development The major problem is not from that - but from the media hype that would ensue. The major argument against 'open source' is that it's not commercially backed -- if Microsoft releases something that they are calling open source, regardless of it's actual license (I'd die of a heart attack if I saw wince under the GPL) As the media says, "Microsoft is doing Open Source, you should too" the open source craze could get magnified by a thousand times, and Microsoft could shoot themselves in the foot with this. That would rock.:) Of course it could just be another method to show that Microsoft is better than *nix/open source software/et al. because they have their own open source. Either way if this actually happens some serious changes will occur in the community -- I'm hoping Microsoft shoots themselves:)
Currently I am working on for a DNA sequencing company that does similar things The company's primary focus is sequence a genome, find the function, if it's something 'commercially viable' than patent it and sell it to pharmacutical (I can't spell, i'm a programor) companies to develop cures and what not. I was initially opposed to this, but after thinking about it for a while I figured that it's employing a lot of people, and saving a lot of people. In most casees, ifthere is no commercial interest to do something, it will not get done (excluding Linux/OSS of course) -- that's the bottom line. If someone finds the cure for AIDS and patents it and does not grant licenses for the patent they will go under and wont afford the lawyer to enforce the patent rights anyway:) Biomedical research is quite expensive and typically requires commercial support Unfortunately as time goes on more and more patents are coming out -- instead of thinking, "hey there isn't an app that does xyz" we're being forced to think, "Hey -- is there a patent for xyz". Limits should be placed on what you can patent -- patenting the idea for something should not be allowed, patenting the method should be. If you actually come up with something specifically unique than it's yours -- bottom line. But you should never be allowed to patent concepts and general idea's. (Like One click shopping for instance, check the/. archives if you don't know what I'm talking about) Patents are a great thing and a bad thing -- which seems to mirror the majority of things about our economy. -= Making the world a better place =-
And think of L0phtcrack. Think of Microsoft s security. It was that easy to break. Is this L0pht's fault for pointing it out, or is it the responsibility of Microsoft to produce decent software that isn't full of security flaws? -= Making the world a better place =-
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Take a moment and remember Salem. The wonderful place that it was with quaint shops and farmlands. Throw in some people who were slightly different than everybody else. We now have a witch hunt. To me it seems as though the DoJ amongst other government agencies is attempting to not educate the children about the proper use of computers and the internet, but to plant a subliminal message that the ultimate enemy is the/(cr)|h/acker. As time goes on, those who walk around with proud "Linux is the shit" stickers on their laptop they will be identified as hackers. C'Mon.. how many real hackers (including standard code-jockey, mis-interpreted crackers) run windows anyway? All of this can be analyzed through a bit of comparisons It is our right to have private conversations The government is directly violating that right as I type this
It is not illegal to exploit a computer. Assuming that you are authorized to do so.Through decent software and bug-fixes, this should be irrelevant Instead of attempting to find a way to put the skills of people to good use, they attempt to break them.
We're turning into the witches and warlocks of Salem. The communists of the cold war. As this attitude progresses, as our children get a horrible taste in their mouth when the word "hack" is mentioned, the true nerds will be the targets of unfair persecution I don't want this to happen. I like my linux box, I like finding security holes for my company -- and they like me doing it. Instead of bashing a particular site bash the entire ideology between the proper etiquete they are pushing, and the reality. We are the software world. We are the strongest force on earth, our software powers everything that matters in our civilization. Now they want to turn us into targets if we even slightly derivate from the choosen path. Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I don't want to live in a world without the freedoms I've grown so accustomed to. If you have children, please inform them that hackers are what push the industry. Hackers find the bugs that should have never been released in the first place. If you are a child -- understand the difference between benefiting society, and harming it. As far as cDc and L0pht go, they did wonderful things, they've proven without a doubt that micrsoft products should have never left Redmond. Keep it up. -= Making the world a better place =-
Hey -- just wanted to let you know that at the bottom you requested Janet to send her info for the shirt. Her name is Janice:) -= Making the world a better place =-
I found Kinesis Ergo somehow a few years back (I don't really remember where or why) has been making probably the most advanced keyboards I've seen in a while. A totally cross platform design with Mac/PC/Sun support that allows switching on the flying between most major keysets, including Dvorak and Qwerty I have been using a qwerty keyboard for about 12 years now, since I was 6 or 7 years old. I naturally adapted to touch typing with it and now I can type a sustained 120wpm on it. I still have yet to try a Dvorak keyboard layout because I haven't had a need -- I type more than fast enough, and typically when I'm programming I don't hit my peak 120wpm just because I'm either thinking while I'm typing or the key combo's are virtually impossible to hit while I'm speeding along. My peak recorded speed has been at 144wpm, without falling below 90% accuracy. The QWERTY Vs. Dvorak debate seems to me to just be a simple case of personal preference -- while the Dvorak is a superior layout design (15% more efficient) it's mostly due to the person controlling it. Thank you, total is $0.02, pay at the first window. -= Making the world a better place =-
First occurance: Movies like "The Matrix". That doesn't sound like a quote or skepticism to me. There are many many of these through your article, perhaps you should go back to school and learn a bit more english before continuing to write misguiding and insulting articles. P.S. And MLA format specifically addresses the use of quotes to indicate skepticism as being incorrect. If I carried my book (Reasoning why college is bad for programmers.. they teach them english) I would point out the exact verbage. xerithane.karma--; xerithane.gratification++; -= Making the world a better place =-
Good point -- but I think you should pick up a MLA book on correct english writing styles. Over using quotes is not a good way to write. Quotes are for quoting, not for emphasizing a point. -= Making the world a better place =-
The so called "journalist" who wrote this should take some english classes. First off, according to MLA format, quotes should be used when you are quoting something, not accentuating a point. (And yes, I am making fun of him with the "journalist" remark) Ok, now that I feel better about that I can say what I think about him and the article. Most of his points were fairly/dev/null. I used to crack/hack/phreak and all that good stuff -- I almost got busted, and I quit and used my powers for good instead of evil. In that time I actually found the most dependable and trust worthy friends I've made in my lifetime. Mostly due to an us-against-them attitude. And for all of the drooling idiots that populated DEF CON, they have a good purpose. To make people realize that there are security problems, and that those drooling idiots can get into their systems. If you want security, don't connect your box to the internet. That is the only security. While this article is talking about how malicious these hackers are, and how they are just a bunch of ruffians who had no parents (ok, I'm improvising) to teach them any better he's missing the point of computer security and DEF CON. As long as there is a reason -- there will be someone doing it. And hackers do have a code of ethics -- the real ones, not in it for the chicks. -= Making the world a better place =-
I'm not sure if anyone else noticed this -- but he seemed to only quote the experiences he has had with a limited range of companies. While he admits this it still seems like he's caught up on the experiences he's had with only a few companies. Currently, I run a small network off of a 1.5/384 DSL. I pay $60/month and that includes a block of IP's (8,6 usable). The premiere cable service around here is @Home which seems very lacking. I've had people tell me that during peak hours they're bandwidth cuts down to only twice that of a dialup modem, and they pay twice as much as a standard dialup account (~$40-$50). I don't use PBi (Pacific Bell Internet) because they're government regulated and also extremely lacking in the technical department, but I do use their lines. The routing is done through a Southern CA company called Orconet. I have never had any downtime while using Orconet, ever. My latency times are typically 15ms. I have no microfilters on my phone, and I don't ever hear any static on my lines. I'm not saying DSL is better than cable -- but this article seemed slightly lobsided because this guy got stuck with a poor DSL carrier. If anybody is still debating whether to go with cable or DSL -- don't listen to much this article has to say. Most of it is so isolated to the region that unless you are in Boston it's not much good. $0.02 deposited. -= Making the world a better place =-
[begin offtopic sarcastic comment].ps or.pdf? What's wrong with you? ASCII or HTML is the only way to submit a resume. [end of offtopic comment] I think that you should have read the previous 50 comments saying pretty much the exact same thing you said. Granted, it's a good point but c'mon.. it's a game -- the only reason why I have windows on any of my computers is to play games, battle.net fails under wine; tribes isn't available (yet) so dreamcast is really no difference. -= Making the world a better place =-
I think you are missing the point of our outrage/stunned by people in high power idiocy.
It's not that the web isn't "open source" That's what View->Source is for. All HTML is open sourced.
Al Gore is using the certified mark "Open Source" for political gain. He tries to take credit for other peoples work and gain momentum by using the "in" phrases.
It's just not right. In ZDNet's article they post a quote: "The Vice-Presidents office should set an example for kids..." What the hell is he doing now? Think about that.
If we look at the DoJ case against the Microsoft Corp, we realize it's against Microsoft Corp. If this is truly a re-org where they seperate into different companies, that still act as one large company, is the DoJ going to file antitrust suits against all 5? This is news worthy, and I still fail to understand why you people insist on saying otherwise. It's news. It's a software company. Nerds make software. It's news for nerds. Can't be much simpler than that. I was personally interested at this, probably a lot of other people were too, and I think that this was the whole reason why Rob is setting up the filtering systems. Turn off M$ stories if you don't like it.
How many people who are in college expect to be able to pass a class by merely moving their arm. If figures of speech are now fair ground for a lawsuit by any person not intelligent enough to read the catalogue than we are in a tremendous amount of trouble. If you are in support of this, I hope you are the target of a pointless greedy lawsuit. That's all these types are. I go to a really bad college, and I'm not graduating this term even though the counselor told me I was going to, and I'm not going to sue. It's my own fault. That's it. It's these people's fault that they failed. It is not the universities. I'm afraid of America and American's. Lets kill all the lawyers while we still have a chance.
Our beloved Tux is there because he got bit because he made his finger look like a herring at a zoo. Penguins don't/can't run anywhere near 100mph. Some guy thought it'd be a funny excuse for a linux penguin. Talk to Larry Ewing about it, He drew Tux and Linus saw it and liked it. That's it. Linus is fond of penguins tho.
As far as the article goes, Rob is right. It's not worth any time writing to him. "Those who can can, and those who can't teach (or write slanderous non-accurate critique's)" The guys a loser, who likes his sound effects and a FLAG (want to talk about a stupid logo.. I could see a window but a f*'in flag?) in every free corner of his desktop. He'll be out of a job in a few years if Linux keeps on gaining momentum like it is. That's a thought to keep your dreams happy. (And Bill being forced to use Linux when he has to get a real job because M$ crumbles) delusions.. no, just wishful thinking.
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I think that if we look at what could happen with this we'd find it would have some major effects through the open source community :) :)
Microsoft will have to lure the typically open source developer to even spend the bandwidth to download it, much less develop it.
This is well within their means -- in fact probably would be cheaper for them to bring out a few hunder OSS developers than paying for in house development
The major problem is not from that - but from the media hype that would ensue.
The major argument against 'open source' is that it's not commercially backed -- if Microsoft releases something that they are calling open source, regardless of it's actual license (I'd die of a heart attack if I saw wince under the GPL)
As the media says, "Microsoft is doing Open Source, you should too" the open source craze could get magnified by a thousand times, and Microsoft could shoot themselves in the foot with this. That would rock.
Of course it could just be another method to show that Microsoft is better than *nix/open source software/et al. because they have their own open source.
Either way if this actually happens some serious changes will occur in the community -- I'm hoping Microsoft shoots themselves
-= Making the world a better place =-
Currently I am working on for a DNA sequencing company that does similar things :) /. archives if you don't know what I'm talking about)
The company's primary focus is sequence a genome, find the function, if it's something 'commercially viable' than patent it and sell it to pharmacutical (I can't spell, i'm a programor) companies to develop cures and what not.
I was initially opposed to this, but after thinking about it for a while I figured that it's employing a lot of people, and saving a lot of people.
In most casees, ifthere is no commercial interest to do something, it will not get done (excluding Linux/OSS of course) -- that's the bottom line. If someone finds the cure for AIDS and patents it and does not grant licenses for the patent they will go under and wont afford the lawyer to enforce the patent rights anyway
Biomedical research is quite expensive and typically requires commercial support
Unfortunately as time goes on more and more patents are coming out -- instead of thinking, "hey there isn't an app that does xyz" we're being forced to think, "Hey -- is there a patent for xyz".
Limits should be placed on what you can patent -- patenting the idea for something should not be allowed, patenting the method should be. If you actually come up with something specifically unique than it's yours -- bottom line. But you should never be allowed to patent concepts and general idea's. (Like One click shopping for instance, check the
Patents are a great thing and a bad thing -- which seems to mirror the majority of things about our economy.
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And think of L0phtcrack. Think of Microsoft s security.
It was that easy to break. Is this L0pht's fault for pointing it out, or is it the responsibility of Microsoft to produce decent software that isn't full of security flaws?
-= Making the world a better place =-
The wonderful place that it was with quaint shops and farmlands.
Throw in some people who were slightly different than everybody else. We now have a witch hunt.
To me it seems as though the DoJ amongst other government agencies is attempting to not educate the children about the proper use of computers and the internet, but to plant a subliminal message that the ultimate enemy is the
As time goes on, those who walk around with proud "Linux is the shit" stickers on their laptop they will be identified as hackers. C'Mon.. how many real hackers (including standard code-jockey, mis-interpreted crackers) run windows anyway?
All of this can be analyzed through a bit of comparisons
It is our right to have private conversations
The government is directly violating that right as I type this
It is not illegal to exploit a computer. Assuming that you are authorized to do so.Through decent software and bug-fixes, this should be irrelevant
Instead of attempting to find a way to put the skills of people to good use, they attempt to break them.
We're turning into the witches and warlocks of Salem. The communists of the cold war. As this attitude progresses, as our children get a horrible taste in their mouth when the word "hack" is mentioned, the true nerds will be the targets of unfair persecution
I don't want this to happen. I like my linux box, I like finding security holes for my company -- and they like me doing it. Instead of bashing a particular site bash the entire ideology between the proper etiquete they are pushing, and the reality. We are the software world. We are the strongest force on earth, our software powers everything that matters in our civilization. Now they want to turn us into targets if we even slightly derivate from the choosen path. Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I don't want to live in a world without the freedoms I've grown so accustomed to.
If you have children, please inform them that hackers are what push the industry. Hackers find the bugs that should have never been released in the first place. If you are a child -- understand the difference between benefiting society, and harming it. As far as cDc and L0pht go, they did wonderful things, they've proven without a doubt that micrsoft products should have never left Redmond.
Keep it up.
-= Making the world a better place =-
Hey -- just wanted to let you know that at the bottom you requested Janet to send her info for the shirt. Her name is Janice :)
-= Making the world a better place =-
I found Kinesis Ergo somehow a few years back (I don't really remember where or why) has been making probably the most advanced keyboards I've seen in a while. A totally cross platform design with Mac/PC/Sun support that allows switching on the flying between most major keysets, including Dvorak and Qwerty I have been using a qwerty keyboard for about 12 years now, since I was 6 or 7 years old. I naturally adapted to touch typing with it and now I can type a sustained 120wpm on it. I still have yet to try a Dvorak keyboard layout because I haven't had a need -- I type more than fast enough, and typically when I'm programming I don't hit my peak 120wpm just because I'm either thinking while I'm typing or the key combo's are virtually impossible to hit while I'm speeding along. My peak recorded speed has been at 144wpm, without falling below 90% accuracy. The QWERTY Vs. Dvorak debate seems to me to just be a simple case of personal preference -- while the Dvorak is a superior layout design (15% more efficient) it's mostly due to the person controlling it. Thank you, total is $0.02, pay at the first window.
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First occurance: Movies like "The Matrix". That doesn't sound like a quote or skepticism to me. There are many many of these through your article, perhaps you should go back to school and learn a bit more english before continuing to write misguiding and insulting articles.
P.S. And MLA format specifically addresses the use of quotes to indicate skepticism as being incorrect. If I carried my book (Reasoning why college is bad for programmers.. they teach them english) I would point out the exact verbage. xerithane.karma--; xerithane.gratification++;
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Good point -- but I think you should pick up a MLA book on correct english writing styles.
Over using quotes is not a good way to write. Quotes are for quoting, not for emphasizing a point.
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The so called "journalist" who wrote this should take some english classes. First off, according to MLA format, quotes should be used when you are quoting something, not accentuating a point. (And yes, I am making fun of him with the "journalist" remark) /dev/null. I used to crack/hack/phreak and all that good stuff -- I almost got busted, and I quit and used my powers for good instead of evil. In that time I actually found the most dependable and trust worthy friends I've made in my lifetime. Mostly due to an us-against-them attitude. And for all of the drooling idiots that populated DEF CON, they have a good purpose. To make people realize that there are security problems, and that those drooling idiots can get into their systems. If you want security, don't connect your box to the internet. That is the only security. While this article is talking about how malicious these hackers are, and how they are just a bunch of ruffians who had no parents (ok, I'm improvising) to teach them any better he's missing the point of computer security and DEF CON. As long as there is a reason -- there will be someone doing it. And hackers do have a code of ethics -- the real ones, not in it for the chicks.
Ok, now that I feel better about that I can say what I think about him and the article. Most of his points were fairly
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I'm not sure if anyone else noticed this -- but he seemed to only quote the experiences he has had with a limited range of companies. While he admits this it still seems like he's caught up on the experiences he's had with only a few companies. Currently, I run a small network off of a 1.5/384 DSL. I pay $60/month and that includes a block of IP's (8,6 usable). The premiere cable service around here is @Home which seems very lacking. I've had people tell me that during peak hours they're bandwidth cuts down to only twice that of a dialup modem, and they pay twice as much as a standard dialup account (~$40-$50). I don't use PBi (Pacific Bell Internet) because they're government regulated and also extremely lacking in the technical department, but I do use their lines. The routing is done through a Southern CA company called Orconet. I have never had any downtime while using Orconet, ever. My latency times are typically 15ms. I have no microfilters on my phone, and I don't ever hear any static on my lines. I'm not saying DSL is better than cable -- but this article seemed slightly lobsided because this guy got stuck with a poor DSL carrier. If anybody is still debating whether to go with cable or DSL -- don't listen to much this article has to say. Most of it is so isolated to the region that unless you are in Boston it's not much good. $0.02 deposited.
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[begin offtopic sarcastic comment] .ps or .pdf? What's wrong with you? ASCII or HTML is the only way to submit a resume. [end of offtopic comment] I think that you should have read the previous 50 comments saying pretty much the exact same thing you said. Granted, it's a good point but c'mon.. it's a game -- the only reason why I have windows on any of my computers is to play games, battle.net fails under wine; tribes isn't available (yet) so dreamcast is really no difference.
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I think you are missing the point of our outrage/stunned by people in high power idiocy.
It's not that the web isn't "open source"
That's what View->Source is for. All HTML is open sourced.
Al Gore is using the certified mark "Open Source" for political gain. He tries to take credit for other peoples work and gain momentum by using the "in" phrases.
It's just not right. In ZDNet's article they post a quote:
"The Vice-Presidents office should set an example for kids..."
What the hell is he doing now? Think about that.
If we look at the DoJ case against the Microsoft Corp, we realize it's against Microsoft Corp. If this is truly a re-org where they seperate into different companies, that still act as one large company, is the DoJ going to file antitrust suits against all 5?
This is news worthy, and I still fail to understand why you people insist on saying otherwise.
It's news. It's a software company. Nerds make software. It's news for nerds.
Can't be much simpler than that. I was personally interested at this, probably a lot of other people were too, and I think that this was the whole reason why Rob is setting up the filtering systems. Turn off M$ stories if you don't like it.
How many people who are in college expect to be able to pass a class by merely moving their arm. If figures of speech are now fair ground for a lawsuit by any person not intelligent enough to read the catalogue than we are in a tremendous amount of trouble. If you are in support of this, I hope you are the target of a pointless greedy lawsuit. That's all these types are.
I go to a really bad college, and I'm not graduating this term even though the counselor told me I was going to, and I'm not going to sue. It's my own fault. That's it. It's these people's fault that they failed. It is not the universities.
I'm afraid of America and American's. Lets kill all the lawyers while we still have a chance.
Our beloved Tux is there because he got bit because he made his finger look like a herring at a zoo.
Penguins don't/can't run anywhere near 100mph.
Some guy thought it'd be a funny excuse for a linux penguin.
Talk to Larry Ewing about it, He drew Tux and Linus saw it and liked it. That's it. Linus is fond of penguins tho.
As far as the article goes, Rob is right. It's not worth any time writing to him.
"Those who can can, and those who can't teach (or write slanderous non-accurate critique's)"
The guys a loser, who likes his sound effects and a FLAG (want to talk about a stupid logo.. I could see a window but a f*'in flag?) in every free corner of his desktop. He'll be out of a job in a few years if Linux keeps on gaining momentum like it is.
That's a thought to keep your dreams happy.
(And Bill being forced to use Linux when he has to get a real job because M$ crumbles)
delusions.. no, just wishful thinking.