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ZDNet Response to Gore2000
Enucite writes "ZDNet
has an article entitled "Gore's 'open
source' blasphemy". It talks about the Gore 2000 website,
then goes on to talk about the response on Slashdot"
I wish articles referring to Slashdot comments would
link the comment so that their readers could read the whole
thread and not just the 2 sentances the story writer felt
like sharing. And I wish they could figure out who
"Anonymous Coward" really is.
Ah well, nice to see we made some waves, but the offending
passage still apears on the web site.
Give it a rest.. at least ridicule him for something real, like Tipper's holier-than-thou views on music and art. Dont think that his are going to be too different
Good one ZDNET! You can quote me personally on that.
Anyway, This is funny, I laughed my ass off, but again, it is fucking annoying, who duh hell makes that site, we know it is not Al Gore, I bet he has even looked at it, perhaps the made a tape of the site, and sent it to him to watch, but I think that is all...Anyway, uggh ya, screw him! screw politicians.
Is he trying to get the marshmallow Easter candy vote?
I resemble that remark.
I know you can't hear it, but I'm banging my shoe on my desk right now. Honest.
To view a list of Al Gore's other "technical accomplishments" check out Serious Times Demand A Truly Funny Man on Segfault.org.
It's a blast!
Personal politics aside (I happen to like the democrats), Al Gore has no right whatsoever to use the term Open Source unless he means it. From reading the web site, I think he means "Contrib-Source" which is, they are happen to have you contribute your source code for free.
So here's my idea. As long as he uses the term Open Source, lets treat it like Open Source. I.e., anybody can copy the source code and modify it for their own uses, provided of course that they follow all the rules like attributing the original code to the original writer, but of course the public won't understand this. So we can have a bunch of web sites, which use the basic HTML from Al Gores site, but then modify it by adding whatever we want. These are the rules of Open Source.
To summarize, as a civil protest action, go copy the HTML code from the "Open Source" Page, and make your own web site with your own modifications. Don't blame me for the law suits.
Let's not forget the titanic amount of money that will likely be expended just to get the satellite on station. ...um... "excessive" would be an understatement.
The usual way to optimize trajectories and thereby minimize fuel requirements is to play with the launch and orbit insertion dates. However, "GoreSat" mission constraints include only being able to launch on July 4th, and arriving on Columbus day (both arbitrary and obviously political dates).
The cost in delta-v to get into the orbit they want, using those dates, is
And I'd say AlGore is as good a place as any.
:-).)
(Is the site name *really* "algore2000"? That's
funny. Rush Limbaugh as been calling Al Gore
"algore" for *years*. I *don't* think he meant
it to be complementary
Folks,
look at what Gore has to say about Linux in his web page code. The following was coppied directly from his "open source" page code, and pasted here for your viewing pleasure.
"A special message for Open Source Software enthusiasts: We are very interested in developing content that takes advantage of Open Source software such as Linux. For starters, we are conducting a Gore 2000 Linux Screen Saver design competition among volunteers to see who can build the best Gore 2000 Linux screen savers. If you would like to submit a Gore 2000 Linux screen saver for consideration, or if you have ideas for this project, please send an e-mail to:
opensource@algore2000.com
Watch this space for more Open Source ideas and volunteer opportunities." --from the Gore2000 web page (4-8-99, 11:46am)
He wants us to make screen savers for him? I want to know what his web is server running (maybe it is Linux, but I bet not).
Rob, do me a favor--and everyone else--and provide us with an area where we can upload/download the screen savers that don't win. Heh, heh.
Let the fun begin.
CopR-qtl
I already sent him a civil, non flammitory response through his hotmail account. I doubt he'll read it, with all the flamage he'll recieve. /.! :))
That was one of the most insulting, ignorant, and arrogant posts to a news article I've seen in a long time (except for here on
Respectfully,
Kevin Christie
kwchri@maila.wm.edu
It's very intereting Al Gore's site runs on a NON open source platform.
I actually meet non-techno savvy people who believe that Gore invented the Internet, thanks to that claim. He's the ultimate poseur-- see how he claimed to Courtney Love to be a big fan, but couldn't name a single song. Since it's doubtful we would get a real techie as president, I'd at least rather have someone who understands his limitations than a clueless guy pretending to know everything, and pushing the Clipper Chips plus restrictive encryption.
How can you be mad at Algore? He skewed the meaning of Open Source, which is itself a skewed meaning of "Free Software". Open source is NOT free, and Algore's web site is NOT open source. I think it is sweet justice.
http://www.zdnet.com/talkback/22_35522_149833.html
It was announced today that Microsoft will stop producing its Windows operating system and will instead use Linux as a foundation for all of its future software applications. Bill Gates is selling all of his MS stock and will buy an island in the Carribean, where he will spend the rest of his life in seclusion. Asked for a comment on this suprising turn of events, Al Gore said "As one of the original founders of Microsoft, I've been lobbying Bill Gates very hard to join the open source community. I myself have made several contributions, such as the Apache web server. It can be a very rewarding experience."
(ZDNET, please feel free to use any of the above for future news articles. If you need more ideas, I post here all of the time, so check back often).
I believe he was referring to ZDnet's practice of grabbing a few lines from a post... Or perhaps one or two posts that support what they feel is being said.
In the root post CmdrTaco said: "I wish articles referring to Slashdot comments would link the comment so that their readers could read the whole thread and not just the 2 sentances the story writer felt like sharing."
I just visited the Gore2000 website and the Open Source message was gone from the front page. Although if you view the source the message from Al Gore is still there.
I just visited the Gore2000 website and the Open Source message was gone from the front page. Although if you view the source the message from Al Gore is still there.
It still just goes on what seems to be alot more false statements.
Umm, I think the original poster was trying to use humor to make a point about ZDNET using Anonymous Coward quotes from Slashdot. Of course the statements are false. I think he/she was just trying to be a little sensational to make a point that ZDNET will print just about anything, without doing their homework on it first. If you read the last sentence at the bottom, I think you'll be able to figure this out yourself.
If you don't get the Al Gore quote, then you really haven't been paying attention much lately. Better see your doctor, I think you've lost your funny bone.
How about, "Nice to meet you, congratulations on your success, sorry about your husband, how's the baby?" That's a small, polite lie--he doesn't care how the baby is and isn't at all sorry about what's-his-name, and probably isn't even sure if being in Hole counts as success. "I'm a big fan" is a big, stupid lie.
But thank you for playing our game.
It's still on the site... it is just moved down one level. Click on the link that is like "How you can help" or something like that.
What is the big fucking deal? Gore is a politician, that means he lies for a living, like all politicians do. Dan Burton calls Clinton a scumbag, but has gotten his son out of a mandatory drug sentencing when he was caught hauling $6K worth of MJ from Kentucky to Indiana, again when he was caught growing 30 plants in his basement, has fathered an illegitimate child all the same time when he's the head of the "ethic's commitee". Does anybody care? No. Why? Because he's a politician and because he's from Indiana; you know the the HQ of the KKK and birthplace of Jim Jones' Church?
Don't get bent out of shape over this stupid thing. Sure Gore is trying to appeal to the populace in any way that he can, that's his job. Get over it. It doesn't matter who you elect, your life will get worse. Haven't you figured out that the main difference between the 2 major parties is their lip service and not their agenda? How stupid do you have to be to think that Clinton is a liberal when he's much closer to centrist? And here's news for you, Nixon was more liberal than Clinton ever was - he proposed National Health Care Reform but resigned before he made it happen but he did work with Clinton to try to make it happen again.
Welcome to the real world, it's nothing like MTV's.
[flame]
...that way you can sit back on your big jelly-donut butt whine all day about the big bad U.S. not doing things your way.
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Does this mean that RMS will refuse to vote for AlGore unless he changes his campaign name to GNU/Gore?
It's scary, but I like the sound of it better than M$/Gore, or ChineseBuddistMonk/Gore.
I think AL meant by open source that it was available to anyone as opposed to classifed. This is government speak, nothing to do with computers
Linux is crap I know I run it, and will be dead in five years.
Remember his wife Tipper Gore? She was the one who got those blasted parental stickers on CDs.
:)
He may call himself a Democrat, but that sounds pretty Republican in philosophy to me. The only tax that should be put on the 'net is the "Idiot tax", which would keep Al Gore in check.
Not only are his pages *not* open source, but a quick check with Net Craft shows his server as MS IIS 4.
:-)
You'd think he could at least use an Open Source server.....after all he did 'invent' the Internet, surely he knows about these things
Ummmmm, nope.
Netcraft still shows MS IIS 4.0 here....are we checking the same server? www.algore2000.com?
Time for someone to own algore200 if you take my drift
Great!
Fill in the box and submit it a *few* times
to make sure they get the message.
"Using 'Open Source' in wrong context"
:-)
There is a Gore sponsored project called "Triana", to stick a satellite out at the sun-earth L1 point, and send back pictures of earth to be broadcast live on the web for kids to look at.
It's informally known as "GoreSat" (at least among people I know), and is a totally politically motivated mission.
I'm not sure if we are talking about the same thing (MSN sat) or not.
Most of what Gore's been doing is just posturing, but he still is pro-technology and science. What real alternatives are there? Bush? He'll just eliminate the NEA, slash NASA funding, and support a CDA III.
While I'd prefer RMS for president, Gore is as close as we're going to get in 2000.
I think you make some valid points - but the part that's scary is that he is a professional trying to get elected to the Presidency on a topic that has, is and will change the world dramatically. Yes, he is VAGUELY informed, a dangerous place for the counrty that he wishes to lead.
If you're willing to accept Al Gore as 'one of the best' I can only hope you don't vote. Not only does he not understand what he talks about - he doesn't ask to get with it before he talks about it. That is stupid.
If you're willing to accept Al Gore as 'one of the best' I can only hope you don't vote. Not only does he not understand what he talks about - he doesn't ask to get help with it before he talks about it. That is stupid.
http://www.freespeech.org/kryptzone/GoreSpoof/Gore 2000.html
...What about semi-clueless ZDnet which spotted the comments on Slashdot, but failed to realize that "Anonymous Coward" is a default post name?
There's plenty of screwups around for everyone to share. This kind of juvenile flammage is lots of fun, but is ultimately just irritating noise. The point is that Gore is a professional politician trying to get elected President, not a 24/7 netizen who knows every detail of the Open Source movement and politics. The fact is that he is engaged with technology to some extent and that is a plus (in contrast to those clueless dorks that regularly introduce legislation to outlaw or tax the net or create a Federal Internet Regulatory Agency).
If he wants to take credit for creating the Internet, let him. If he wants to run on an open source platform, let him. So what if he takes too much credit, the truth is the truth. The truth is he (and several hundred million other people) DID create the Internet or at least make it what it is today. It is absolutely astounding what you can accomplish if you're willing to let other people take the credit. Thus saith I, Anonymous Coward.
I don't expect a politition to be a programmer. In fact, I don't care if s/he knows the difference between the internet and a hairnet. What is important is that they surround themselves with people that ARE familir with the issues.
Obviously Gore didn't sit down and hack out the website (well, maybe he did, after all it is running on IIS) but he did have a choice as to who designed it, wrote it and did the factual checking of it.
IMHO his choice of people reviewing tech strategies sucks.
It is interesting to note that their so called "open source" website is using a proprietary webserver...
For one thing you should be happy that "Open Source" is even mentioned in politics. It means people are starting to pick up on the idea, even if they haven't got it quite right yet.
The "Open Source" advocates have only themselves to blame. They were the ones that wanted to dilute the requirements so nonsense like the Apple, Mozilla, QT, etc. licenses could be classified as "Open Source." Now it is so diluted that its only meaning to the public is "if you can see the source code, then it's open source." This is because there are such a variety of licenses classified as "open source" that they don't know any better!
When someone says "Free Software" you know exactly what they mean, because you know what type of license "Free Software" is required to have.
PS: I know there is an "Open Source Definition." I am talking about the public's perception of these things, not our perception of them. Just like to the public "hacker" == "cracker" -- if you want to complain about the public's perception of things, you have to talk to them using their usage of the word.
My suggestion: Call free software "Free Software" and let "Open Source" mean "you can look at the source." "Open Source" as having that definition is already out of its cage; there is nothing we can do about it now. Just like people will continue to call 'crackers' 'hackers'..
Irina Romanov
Real journalists do their homework and wouldn't make such silly errors as referring to a "person" named AC.
Since there seem to be so few real journalists left in the world, why not put together a FAQ list for the press? Explain what slashdot is about, whatever is known of the user demographic (I think we know occupation and age, don't we?). Fill the clueless in on the identity of this mysterious, hyperkinetic "Anonymous Coward" person who seems to suffer from Attention Deficit Disorder and Tourette Syndrome, but sometimes shows signs of brilliance.
The FAQ could also direct writers to various sources of information on Linux, the BSDs, BeOS, etc.
slashdot broke my sig
I saw that post as well. You know, one would tend to think that professors of history would be a bit more mature than that. But I suppose not. At least, not in this particular case.
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do the obvious if you want to email me
As for Al Gore, I am not voting for him until he invents something really usefull like oxygen or water. Better get busy, Al!
-Brett.
Yup. And if he's elected, and the economy goes south, it won't be Al who did it -- it'll be the fed chairman he appointed. And if war breaks out, it won't be Al who did it -- it'll be the secretary of state he appointed. Al's a good guy!
Please, there is no excuse for the empty politics of appeal. You know why Ventura was elected: because he's a real person who says exactly what he thinks, not an empty automatron whose positions are injected into the campaign by staffers looking for keywords that the public will bite on. I'm so happy there are only a tiny minority of apologists on Slashdot. It means that reality is far more important than appearances amongst the geek culture.
Not for people who know what the internet is, you're not.
Media Lie: Gore Claimed to 'Invent' the internet. He didn't,
He did; the original story was written from a CNN transcript, not a reporter's idea of what was said.
Gore did two things which helped the Web take off. The first was to authorize the www.whitehouse.gov website. Before that went online closed proprietary systems such as Acrobat and Hyper-G were much more visible. The Whitehouse site legitimized the web. The other thing Gore did was to make all the agencies go on line first.
What kind of crap is this? What kind of idiots do you take us for? If there is one person now reading this who started participating on the I'net because of www.whitehouse.gov, please reply to this message and say so. If there is one person who believes that www.whitehouse.gov has done more for the acceptance of the net than any of the 100 top web sites out there... enough said.
Be especially cautious of the media - me included.
Thanks for the tip. Here's my tip in return: G E T - O V E R - Y O U R S E L F .
Posted by Kragen:
All that this "open source" web site will cause is
confusion, Not all publicity is good, if it
confuses the issues (Which politicians enjoy) then
it will hurt the open source movement, imagine all
the hard core Republicans that must now despise
open source because Mr. Gore is publicly waving it
about.
Posted by Buffy the Overflow Slayer:
Well of course, the G in GNU stands for Gore.
-buffy
If the titanic filled with lawyers, it would not
have been a disaster.
Posted by US Marine:
Al Gore once again shows his stupidity and utter arrogance. He thinks he can use the magic words "open source" to win over the technical communities? I just can't wait to see what utter nonsense he utters during the campaigns. What a dufus.
Posted by GrapefruitJuice:
Sue 'em
Posted by GrapefruitJuice:
Al Gore invented algorithms didn't he?
Posted by 1funnyguy:
If you go back and check your Net Craft, he's now running "Apache/1.2.0 Ben-SSL/1.8 on Linux"
Maybe someone there actually reads? (Can't spell worth potatoes but...
Pot kettle black, holmes. That PMRC stuff and related junk was just the maneuvering of a power couple with their eyes on the White House. I think even Uncle Frank (RIP) understands. Unfortunately that power couple still insists on mentioning it on their campaign homepage, in their continuing bid to grab a piece of the lucrative "family values" market. Their actual views are far more sane, I guarantee you.
Tipper has a bit of a rock'n'roll background, y'know -- she could have been a Mo Tucker. She shouldn't be ridiculed for the PMRC; that's just the business of politics and marketing. Set your fangs instead on the bastards the PMRC enabled, like Wal-Mart and the censors at MTV.
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Zhu Rongji -- the prime minister of China -- is in Washington today, being given the (uh) red-carpet treatment. I'd feel a whole lot better if Al Gore understood what "human rights" means, and told us what he'll do about sweatshops, prison labor (both Chinese and American), and Tibet; whether or not he gets "open source" right or understands TCP/IP isn't quite as weighty an issue. And it's not like he's the only politician in the world who suffers from foot-in-mouth disease or cluelessness.
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Short answer: no. Long answer: read the other posts. I'm saying it's a typical piece of political dishonesty and powerlust, things that are just as not-OK as censorship.
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Then why harp on the PMRC? Those infamous hearings took place 15 years ago or so. A bipartisan coalition of pandering idiots went on a crusade that ended up with record companies (our friends the RIAA) putting "Parental Advisory" warning stickers on anything that said "booger" on its lyric sheet. The Gores moved on to the Gore '88 campaign and kept it as an item on their resume. They didn't ban anything. Other entities did the censoring and banning.
If it's the content that counts, why does /. always devolve into script-kiddie-hood on the subject of politics (KDE v GNOME, MS v DOJ, Gore v Dole/Bush/Browne, ...)? To inaccurately single out Al and Tipper for "censorship" is no better than singling out Quayle for his spelling. There are more substantive reasons to dislike all of them.
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There you go. A history lesson for today. Though I will confess to a little fuzziness of memory, since that was a long time ago, and I was probably on the road for a good deal of those hearings (rather than veged out in front of my beloved C-SPAN 24/7 :)
If you can remember the 80's, then you weren't having as much fun as I was :)
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I can't say I've read every post, but I haven't seen one single apologist or pro-Gore post today. You don't seem to get the point of your own Ventura reference; his appeal was based on plain-speaking, but we can't tell if it's "empty" or not based on a campaign. Ventura's shtick is much more honest than a professional politician's shtick, but the bottom line is still the same: we need to judge on performance, not personality. Even plain-speaking is shtick if its "empty appeal" isn't backed up with action once elected.
What about the recent furor about Governor Body signing a deal to manufacture Jesse Ventura action figures at a sweatshop in China? I don't follow Minnesota events at all, so someone can tell us if he has responded to the complaint(s) about that [see the Star-Tribune opinion page of 25 March]. Or has he gone into a song-and-dance? How has this played with the Reform Party?
This is truly the golden age of anti-advertising advertising. Keep your heads up and your eyes and ears open.
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I think Bob Zelnick has been saying something similar on his book tour (he has a new Gore biography out). Al Gore was born into a rich, political family, and maybe he does feel like he has to pad his resume a bit, so he can look like he's done more than coast his way to national prominence. There is a grain of truth in all of Al's tall tales -- he was more tech-clueful than most members of Congress; he may have been a vague inspiration for one of the characters in Love Story, or at least a fragment of dialogue; in Tennessee, the Gore family owns lots of farm land -- they're now notorious for growing tobacco, thanks to Al's speech at the 1996 Democratic convention.
He's no more or less a tall-tale spinner than the average politician; it's just that he has this knack for doing it in front of large audiences :)
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I agree, to a point. But the censorship tends to give bad signals, that's my complaint. MTV makes an issue of a marijuana leaf logo while being suckers for tits'n'ass (their censorship of "Justify My Love" was essentially a high-profile way to "disprove" that); they also condone product-placement for some items (a Mercedes, for instance) and not others (a shoe company logo on a t-shirt).
As far as Wal-Mart, do they inform customers that they sell censored (as in re-recorded -- not banned) items? I think they still have a policy of selling "cleaned-up" versions of CDs. If it's not plainly stated, it's a deceptive practice. Not all consumers are informed consumers, which brings us back to the original topic: we who take potshots at Mister Internet are just as clueless as Mister Internet himself.
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I don't like the idea of censorship, but I also don't think you can fault Wal-Mart or MTV. They are privately owned companies. They have the freedom to sell/show what they choose.
If I owned a record store I wouldn't want people coming in and saying I had to have copies of the album XYZ by Holier Than Thou because I sell album ABC by CrakHoSmakrs. Come on. If you like a large selection of music, you probably don't shop at Wal-Mart or watch much MTV already.
You can't even use the excuse that it's the only store in a small town anymore. Thanks to the internet you can order CD's over the web and have them home delivered.
Later,
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The thing that bothers me about the Al "Open Source" Gore thingy is that this is precisely how definitions get skewed; ie hack/crack. Some bonehead starts using the term incorrectly in public, others follow suit, and pretty soon the original meaning is gone.
"shop smart:shop s-mart" ash
That was a very good article. Thanks for the link!
"shop smart:shop s-mart" ash
RMS should demand a retraction.
Gore seems to have topped Quayle's hoof-in-mouth disease, and may even pass Reagan's.
Qualye at least realized he said stupid things (and later added, "I stand behind all my mistatements.")
Gore defends them, though. I'm becoming more convinced that the Gore in reality is pretty close to Quayle's media image . . .
Aside from the obvious technical blunders (such as Stallman's 1984 debut of Linux), ZDNet has missed the point.
It's not just that we're geeks who want to be sure you use the phrase Open Source right, but it's the fact that Open Source is a registered certification mark. The Open Source Definition sets conditions for its use, and as many of us pointed out in emails to Gore and friends, he's not even close to following those guidelines.
A certification mark isn't worth the electrons coming out of my radiating monitor if we don't call others on their misuses of it.
There has been too much media hype about Open Source, and with that media hype comes misunderstandings. And with any buzzword or catch phrase comes others trying to profit off of it in some way.
Gore's web pages are about as Open Source as a carrot.
As expected, Slashdot's readers gave Gore 2000 a shellacking for appropriating "open source" -- a tech reference for nonproprietary, open-to-all software systems, such as the Linux OS, that has attained mythical status since it was touted by the Free Software Foundation's Richard Stallman in 1984.
Of course, the sentence is horribly unwieldy even with that change. It needs simplification.
Okay, enough nitpicking...we now return you to your regularly scheduled flame-fest...
I'm not sure exactly what was meant by "bottom of the barrel", but I'm guessing that it didn't refer to you specifically. I think the point is that when a journalist uses anonymous comments posted on slashdot (and we are ALL anonymous) it seems like a lot of filler or bottom of the barrel reporting.
When people are quoted in news stories, it is usually because they have some relation to the story. (Mr. X's attorney said... Witness Y saw... Spokesperson Z felt that...) Otherwise, little value is added, other than reporting what the general feeling about an event is. If that is the case, then I think the reporter should report the anonymous quote is representative and not authoritative in any way.
-Derek
Speeling doesn't mater. ;-)
If Quale put's an E in potato, but know's what a potato is, and how to use it, then at least he only put his foot in his mouth, and shouldn't choke on it.
If Al and Tipper want any respect, they have to realize they are not "our saviour" and because they think something is right, they force it upon us.
Let's redefine Open Source. Let's ban some records. Hmm, not even logically consistant. What if I put profanity and lude statements in the comment lines of my source code? Should we censor open source then too? Why don't Al and Tipper just go burn some books or something they would enjoy as a couple and leave the US population out of it.
Back the truck up, I think we missed a road sign when we ran over that guy....
WHAT? Your saying that censorship and banning content of music and art is acceptable IF it was done to get a position of power?!?
I must have miss understood that, because if that is true, it only makes matters worse. They were all for doing something they knew was wrong so they could gain power to rule more people... Hmm.. Even the worst villian's in history believed what they were doing was right, so, doing something you know is wrong to gain power would be what, super evil?
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:04:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: rob@current.nu
To: skelcher@hotmail.com
Subject: That's TM
Just so you know,
Open Source is a trademarked term I believe, not a copywright.
Be carefull what you say on the net, history will not teach you how widely you can distribute your ablility to put your foot in your mouth now, and in the future ;-)
We are consirned with politics, and a leaders ability to comment on matters intellegently. Tipper's PMRC is probably worse than Al's ability to insult the importance of technology and science.. but both are something to worry about.
Oh, and, speaking for most people in Science, if you have that little respect, please return your light bulbs and any other technology you have at your nearest conveniance.
PS: Secret Codes that you don't understand may exist on your computer monitoring your every move... maybe you should learn them.
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http://chem20.chem.und.nodak.edu - work stuff
http://www.current.nu - personal web site
"Hey mister, turn it on, turn it up, and turn me loose." - Dwight Yoakam
They also have a number of different site names for their e-mail to go to. Some mail is directed to gorewebsite.com and bounces.
@whee. =)
I noticed this comment on "poor ol' Al's" webpage:
"If Gore2000 selects your material for use on our website we will contact you with further legal requirements."
You don't suppose they're going to send a copy of the GPL . . .
Sean
RFC2119
So now ZDNet is some kind of exalted reference? /.ers are just looking for something to flame. Like newbies on Usenet. Personally I think anyone who speaks out unambiguously for education, technology, and decent attitudes deserves some respect and a whole lot of latitude when it comes to technology. Unlike ZDNet, and like Al. Think of him as a case for gentle reeducation. And don't let your flaming right-wing ideologies show, it's unbecoming of the 'net.
From the flood of vituperation pouring out on Al Gore, it looks as if most
"...The masses, and in politics the only thing that is important is the masses, will eat up what Gore has to say. In this way will he win. "
And that will be a good thing all around.
This "Anonymous Coward" is some sort of supergeek, posting near 24-hours a day!
He never stops!
Soon he will destroy us all!
Run for the hills!
I can't find what Rob is referencing about the Anonymous Coward deal. The only two anonymous quotes I see are referred as "Slashdot reader" and "anonymous reader". I don't see the big deal.
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Aaron Gaudio
"The fool finds ignorance all around him.
"Every man is a mob, a chain gang of idiots." - Jonathan Nolan, Memento Mori
Though it wasn't the best sentence ever, they were not claiming Stallman introduction of *Linux* in 1984.
As expected, Slashdot's readers gave Gore 2000 a shellacking for appropriating "open source" -- a tech reference for nonproprietary, open-to-all software systems such as the Linux OS that has attained mythical status since it was touted by the Free Software Foundation's Richard Stallman in 1984.
Parse the sentence. Everything following the dash is a definition of "open source". That which has "attained mythical status" and was "touted" is not the Linux OS, but the "tech reference for nonproprietary, open-to-all software systems" *SUCH AS LINUX*. All they're saying is that Stallman touted OSS (though they should have used the "free" term) since 1984.
The Glass is Too Big: My Take on Things
The phrase "such as" is usually considered a parenthetical, and they should have included the commas to indicate meaning. The closer one is usually intended, except that the "such as" marks it off as a parenthetical statement.
I most wholeheartedly agree that the author needs to learn some simple communication skills.
The Glass is Too Big: My Take on Things
Just about every book/journal article/whatever has the restriction about reproduction "in whole or in part." They still get quoted like crazy by students and other writers and anybody who quotes (and, obviously, acknowledges the source) from the text. There's probably some restriction on length of the quote, but...
:)
somebody said fair use earlier. yeah. what he said
Considering the legal line he is walking (perhaps drunkedly), what do you think about perhaps getting an interview with him? It would be good to hear him address our concerns, as well as hereing if he actually wants to use Opensource in government or just as an electorial buzzword.
This is a really good piece from the Merc about the whole thing. It includes some suggestions about what Al should do instead to actually gain support from tech-heads like us, instead of just using buzzwords he clearly knows next to nothing about.
~Luge
IAAL,BIANLY
Both rely on and encourage open standards and openness in general. No hypertext system whose renderers and browsers prohibited viewing source could ever have taken off the way the Web has.
It is good to see that ZD Net is starting to get their sources from /. instead of repeating Micros~1 press releases as "news". If they are not careful, some actually informative and accurate reporting might slip through despite their Berst^H^H^Hst efforts to the contrary.
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I've actually heard a speech with him at some southern church, and I swear he was trying to sound like Jesse Jackson... it was the strangest thing I'd heard in a long time.
The relationship and similarity between "Open Source" on the web and OSS was studied by Lawrence Lessig of the Berkman Center of Internet and Society (Harvard Law School). One can download a pdf file of his lecture (Open Code and Open Society: Values of Internet Governance) from Lessig's web site. I would also suggest that ppl read some of the other things that Lessig has written.
/. posted an article this past week about "Open Code" and the H20 project. These projects are Berkman Center initiatives and Lessig is the Berkman Prof. for Entrepreneurial Legal Studies.
In this lecture, Lessig talks about the growth of Linux and of the WWW. He makes some comments about HTML and HTTP being "Open Source" as one can view the code of someone else's web page. This, he explains, helped the early expansion of the WWW. I'm probably not doing Lessig any justice by trying to summarize his lecture, so I strongly suggest that you read it.
Why is this of interest to the Linux community? If you remember,
No, I understand the outrage at Gore's publicity stunt. And it was not the purpose of my post to pour more gasoline on the fire. However, I do feel that OSS will benefit more from Gore's use of "Open Source"; free high level publicity will only increase the level of curiousity in "Open Source." On a more humorous side, my actual 1st reaction to this was, "Wow, Gore must also hate Microsoft!"
As for Gore himself, I just would like to point out that he has been instrumental in IT^2, which will dramatically increase government spending in R&D in high performance computing and communications. According to administration statements, about 60% of the funds of this program will support university research.
As for Lessig's article, I strongly feel that everyone should read it given the recent inquiry from the H20 project to the open source community. (note: Lessig is not listed as one of the developers of H20). Furthermore, the message in the speech is important. If Gore has read this, then it may explain this latest course of action.
Gore has completely fucked any chance he has of winning any elections. If the democrats nominate him as their presidential candidate, they're fucked. 95% of normal voters (and media as well) have no idea what open source is, much less who came up with the idea, so I'm sure he'll slip by on this one. But, the whole invention of the internet fiasco isn't going to be easy on him when everyone goes into heavy duty campaign mode. The republicans are going to be all over him.
Between the democrats inventing everything and the republicans shitting on civic rights, the independent vote is looking pretty good.
Just like on USENET you own your comments here on slashdot. They are *yours*. If you see one of these news sites pilfer your comments without giving you attribution (even if you post with a handle) then let them have it. This is theft, pure and simple. Its time we let these hokey, wish they were real media outlets, know that we won't stand for them stealing our voices.
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Didn't you know that Al Gore is responsible for both Linux and the Free Software Foundation? Take a gander at Recap's Column: Serious Times Demand A Truly Funny Man.
Al Gore stance on encription is basically what the
law enforcement wants, not to spy on you or I but
to retrieve suspect terrorists or drug dealers.
Not that I agree with the idea but this is not
something that bothers me as much as the approach
of the religious right who want to control our
personal lives.
The Republican's balls have been controlled by the
fundies for years, at least with Clinton and
Gore our personal lives are left alone. Whatever
Tipper comes up with will never stand in court
so I'm not too concerned about that, she wouldn't
be the president anyway. Any democrat knows damm
well that fundies aren't liked very much by
the majority of voters so they know where to
stand on this issues on personal freedoms.
The republicans need the fundies to keep their
political seats.
Ideally we would need someone down the middle
but there is no such beast. Bush looks good
but he'll have to kiss the fundies' asses to
get elected. If he does that I will not
hesitate to cast my vote for Al Gore.
In politic we must choose the least of two evils.
As for getting people who know what they're
doing for the Gore web site, this will take
time, remember that the campaign is just starting.
Your dislike of the vice president is blinding
you. Everyone knows that politicians aren't
hackers let alone programmers. You must credit
Al Gore for supporting the internet though.
As for the term "Open Source" I fail to see
the sacrilege here. Now one owns those two words
just as no one owns the word windows despite
Microsoft's claim.
Just get a life and get over it.
Despite his strange wife's agenda Al Gore is
good for the technological world, he may have
some things to learn but in comparision to
other politicians he ranks as one of the best.
I don't really see this article as the big deal that others see it as. My feelings can pretty much be summed up as "Those Boneheads"
I think Gore is going for the intellectual vote. We are only showing our ignorance by assuming that Open Source only means what we want it to mean.
Take the original latin "nopea cesoura." What Al was really trying to say was that he is not a Ceasar when it comes to posting info on his site.
They've evidently changed it, then -- when I read the story a few minutes ago, it attributed the remark to "An anonymous reader."
Wow, the great ZDNET actually corrected a mistake! Of course, if they did that to all of Jesse Berst's columns, they'd lose 2/3 of their content... ;-)
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When will you end the U.S. Government's current Most Antidemocratic Undertaking, namely, the War On Drugs?"
If I posted that question to AlG2K's Town Hall page along with my home email addy and zipcode, just how long do you think it would be before someone wearing a badge showed up at my door to investigate? Or perhaps that should be rephrased as, "Do you think it would take (a) weeks (b) hours (c) minutes for someone with a badge to show up at my door to investigate?"
(For the record, I have NO illegal drugs in my possession at this time and am not fscking likely to at any point in the near future.)
Just asking...
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The scary thing is that you only say, "This is so wrong," to those things on topics you know well.
Think of all the articles on topics you DON'T know well where you tend to take what the journalists say for granted.
THAT's the scary part.
If something becomes popular, they steal it. Its the way of political parties. First, they call the people who come up with the ideas "radicals".
Later, when it becomes a well known, or important item, the politicians appropriate it for their own needs, claiming prior references as fact that they helped it succeed.
Gore isn't the President for the new Millenium. He cannot be that, because he is obviously forever trapped by being a politician of the past.
His attempts to become the "technology" President are only showing to the really people in technology that he is nothing short of an idiot looking for the village he deprived.
Slogans, catch-phrases, and fad words are what he is, there is no substance.
. * Did aliens forget to remove your anal probe?
Hey, it's Open Source (TM), right? That means we can create "derived works".
--Tom
Tom Geller
Amen. That little nugget of knowledge (use the lowest common denominator for development) is dangerous when people forget about the higher factions. In their defense, however, at least they didn't just develop it in UXGA and say "need at least 1280x1024 to view this page". That would have been worse. Jesse
that just make me wonder how Gore is even a possible Democratic candidate.
I'm still upset that he wants to launch a satellite with only a camera to overlook earth so anyone on the Internet can look at our planet at any time. Let's at least include SOME real science on the mission.
And if we can afford something like that, why does much of ISS's science budget have to be severely reduced after Clinton's redesigns....
Yes, I'm venting, but Gore just seams like a waste of attention. This just has to be embarassing for the Democratic party. And I thought they already plenty.
~afniv
"Man könnte froh sein, wenn die Luft so rein wäre wie das Bier"
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"Man könnte froh sein, wenn die Luft so rein wäre wie das Bier"
Richard von Weizs
Jesse Ventura did get elected as govenor based largely upon a very successful Internet campaign. Gore is a politician through-and-through. He has seen this medium used to great success and only a fool would ignore the Internet in these days. Recall that in one speech Gore reported that the tobacco companies must all be held liable for the great harm they have done to the American public, and in a speech the following week he took great pride in saying that he came from a family of tobacco growers.
I heard that when he met Courtney Love, he told her he really liked her band, Hole. She asked him to name one song. He couldn't.
-- Don't Tase me, bro!
Not a GNU/Linux fan since '84, just Linux!
Compared to the ZDNet article, Al Gore doesn't look so bad after all...
-- Don't Tase me, bro!
I am one of the people Gore is meant to be stealling the credit for "inventing" the Internet. Like much of what passes for news in the media it makes a good story, but the truth is much more interesting and it is not hard to find
Media Lie: Gore Claimed to 'Invent' the internet
He didn't,he said he 'took the initiative in creating the Internet'. now invention and creation are not the same thing. I am one of the authors of HTTP, I spent 3 years working with Tim B-L 'inventing' the Web. I didn't create the Web though and neither did Tim we all did that together.
Gore played a significant role. Back in 1992 I was trying to evangelise the Web beyond the High Energy Physics community. I had been involved with Mallery and Hurwitz who were running the political participation project at MIT at the time. The Clinton Gore '92 campaign had been the only one to take them or Internet seriously. So I sold them the Web as the future of politics, media etc. We had about 100 users.
Gore did two things which helped the Web take off. The first was to authorize the www.whitehouse.gov website. Before that went online closed proprietary systems such as Acrobat and Hyper-G were much more visible. The Whitehouse site legitimized the web. The other thing Gore did was to make all the agencies go on line first.
The Web is an Operating System
When we were designing the HTTP protocol and the related security systems the only useful models I could find tended to be from the operating system world. But I fail to see the relevance to open source, open source was arround years before Linux, ask Linus T. if you don't believe me.
Open Source
Linux did not invent open source, nor for that matter did Stallman. RMS certainly started the ball rolling with GNU but anyone who has worked with RMS knows that there is a big difference between FSF and Linux! The GPL is completely wedged with a lot of unnecessary political positions aimed at coercing the rest of the world to partake of the RMS world view. Linux and the Web are much more open, thats why Red hat and Netscape could exist.
I trace the 'open source' movement as distinct from the GPL ideas as being the emergence of the apache group.
Will the Gore site be trully 'Open Source'
Hey I really hope so!
Don't discount the possibility. About 80% of politicians on the Hill live up to the media stereotype, they are interested in power and their own personal status. The country can go to the dogs.
A few politicians on both sides remember why they got in. These people really want to talk about the issues but the media only want to talk about Monica, or whatever the scandal of the day happens to be. Political journalism in the US is treated like sports reports, who scored most hits against the other side. I know your politicians are all weasels, I have worked with them. I have also worked with your press, they rank way, way down bellow weasel.
The politicians who actually care about politics and issues want to debate them and be elected on their positions on the issues - not what the media claim their positions to be. The media mutation of 'initiative' into 'invention' is just one example. The Time 'cyberporn' story which spawned the CDA and COPA is an example we would all agree on, one journalist knowingly uses an undergraduate term paper to misrepresent the entire Internet community. Why - to sell copies of Time magazine.
The politicians that care about issues have good reason to arm other politicians. The real enemy is the media.
Its About Power
The media want you to let them do your thinking for you. Don't let them./i>
You don't have to be a Gore supporter to want to check the facts before you flame about them. It is easy enough to get the original Gore quote. If the New York Times doesn't give a URL you can check its probably because they want to pull a fast one.
We built the Web understanding how communication and power are connected. It is not a coincidence that the Web is damn near censor proof. Along with many others I worked damn hard to make it that way.
Don't just be cautious of politicians, be cautious of everyone who is trying to tell you what to think. Be especially cautious of the media - me included. If anyone wants to they can go to www.ietf.org and pull out the HTTP 1.1 spec and you will see my name in the acknowledgements.
What are the legal aspects regarding ownership of the comments on this page and should we be asking Rob for a stronger copyright to keep this sort of thing from happenning? Personally, I don't care, but since people are fussing about it I thought I'd ask.
Davo -- Free speech, free software, AND free beer.
No we don't. Vote Libertarian and break this "Two party becoming one party" system.
There IS no lesser evil. BOTH the republicans and the Democrats want larger government.
You ask "those in the know" to correct not only the DNC's leading candidate but also the news media? /.'s rise in popularity in 1998 during the days of the Clinton scandel to right wing extremists collaborating online at sites like /.. Legislation would be presented to censor such inflammatory sites.
I can read the headlines now "Right Wing Conspiracy Perpetrated Online." It would continue to link
We better just give up and help Gore clarify historical records pertaining to his creation of the National Parks Act.
I take offense at /. comments being called "the bottom of the barrel." I don't post anything without a painstaking quality check. I want my comments to be the scum that fouls the surface of the water, not the dregs which have sunk out of sight.
And don't blame ZDNet for their poorly researched articles. They have to hire journalists because geeks cant spel. Or make complete sentences.
My, my... The Slashdot community is quick to judge someone guilty. I guess it's more fun to ride the perceived bandwagon than to find out what really happened.
Do you really think Al Gore had anything to do with placing "Open Source" on his web site? More than likely, his campaign team hired someone to make a web page and the webmaster included the text -- thinking it would impress the technophiles.
(Now it's time for the conspiracy theorists to say the webmaster intentionally placed the phrase there to make Gore lose the geek vote.)
Rich
I still feel pretty offended by the whole Gore thing. He invented the Internet. He's Open Source.
He's just trying to get his techno-ignorant self into the minds of the cyber-demographic... Like our votes will make a difference? He's trying to appear to be cutting edge technoid, so the ignorant public will think that he's good for their internet experience?? Is that the tack?
It's almost as offensive as him slipping a "YO! Peace to my peeps!" into a speach, just to get into the 'boys'n'da'hood' demographic. I'm surprised he wasn't shown on TV at Easter, coloring eggs, just to get those valuable Christian Lithuanian votes.
Poser!
-- What you do today will cost you a day of your life.
Have they ANY idea that it's not a handle?
-- What you do today will cost you a day of your life.
Linux is the product of a super-human intelligence - that of a large number of human intelligences.
A super-human intelligence must have cpabilities greater than the average human; i.e. time travel.
Stallman may be right - we are just behind schedule for sending Linux back in time to kill that 'other OS'..
I'll be baaack!
-- What you do today will cost you a day of your life.
And somebody has to call him on it!
/.??
You are completely WRONG, oh prolific AC, in letting Gore take credit for something he did not do. It is setting a dangerous precedent, letting someone take credit for something they have no claim to - just because it doesn't hurt you.
Not speaking out and not informing the public, that the presidential heir-apparent is lying^H^H^H^H^Hmisrepresenting himself, is wrong. Claiming that he (et al) is responsible for the state of the internet is like saying that I (et al) am responsible for the health of the US economy. I go shopping now and again, infusing cash into the system, therefore I claim responsibility for the 10k DOW!!!
I am appalled (dons Johnny Cochran mask) and chagrinned that the informed minority is willing to stand by while another professional politician makes a mockery of the facts. And I am further dismayed and even shocked, that those here 'in the know' are not vocally correcting the 'news media' butchery of the truth.
Yes, we know it's BS, but Joe Schmoe Voter does not. Through silence, we are letting the less informed be duped into electing someone who is willing to lie to get a job!
Would you hire someone if he claimed to have invented the internet? We're talking INTEGRITY here, not marketing. And just because the odds are overwhelming, does not mean we just shrug and say 'he's just trying to get elected'. Bull! We have a responsibility and an obligation, to ourselves and the world we want to live in, to speak up.
And since when have odds scared the likes of people that frequent
It's not about getting something done by letting him take credit. This is not about us being diplomatic, as everyone exchanges a knowing wink. Most people don't know he's full of it, and they're the voting majority. If he's so blatant about bending the truth, Clinton has trained him well, and we're off to a bad start in 2000.
-- What you do today will cost you a day of your life.
As I read more of the scored postings on /., I see how valuable the OSS approach is, and how everyone here prizes the openness of information, and the self-correcting nature of such development.
But, when it comes to politics, social issues and anything non-code, heads get stuck in the sand. It's disappointing, since even as a teen I held the view that "The Idea is the immortal virus". I forget who said it first, but I completely agree. Ideas evolve much like open source code. Bad ones are not propagated to the next revision, good ones are optimized and become programming cliches and near-dogma, but are never exempt from critique.
It is much like this with politics and news and facts. If they are not questioned, and the bad ones are not exposed for what they are, they become socio-political cruft that we'll have to deal with later. Not forcing politicians to be accountable for their claims is like advocating binary distributions of software, and then wondering why 50 people got an important document from you.
The problem is that all the people who buy into this media propaganda are too busy watching Ricky Lake to question anything they hear. The truth makes their head hurt, so they change the channel.
-- What you do today will cost you a day of your life.
The surprising thing is not the fact
that Anonymous Coward is such an asshole,
it's that ZDNet has such a brand new shiny
HARD-ON for what Slashdot user's have to
say. Since most of us are just clowns
and assholes anyway. But I guess it's easy
to pile through our bullshit when you are
using one of ZDNet's T3 lines or something.
linuxnewbie.com
I think you are missing the point of our outrage/stunned by people in high power idiocy.
It's not that the web isn't "open source"
That's what View->Source is for. All HTML is open sourced.
Al Gore is using the certified mark "Open Source" for political gain. He tries to take credit for other peoples work and gain momentum by using the "in" phrases.
It's just not right. In ZDNet's article they post a quote:
"The Vice-Presidents office should set an example for kids..."
What the hell is he doing now? Think about that.
Dacels Jewelers can't be trusted.
Get a grip. #1, you're posting in a public space. #2, public reactions are news (unless you're saying that ZDNet should write everything off press releases?). #3, quotes are fair use. Especially in a news story.
The ability of geeks to get up in arms about this sort of thing is really, really, not attractive.
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We wouldn't vote anymore. We'd govern by flame.
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Will wonders never cease? Al Gore invented the Open Source Web Site, Al Gore invented the electron, and now... Richard Stallman has been a Linux fan since 1984! Those ZDNet reporters are really unearthing some long-buried secrets!
Ellis-
You've posted a remarkable amount of commentary on this article. However, I have to wonder, do you know the definition of the word "Troll" ?
It doesn't take much effort to compare the rantings of Skelcher@hotmail.com to the text of the homepage of a Professor Skelcher (a Google search reveals a number of links regarding him) and realize "Gee, these two don't really match up."
I'm inclined to agree with the post that you replied to, and assert that Skelcher@hotmail.com is someone attempting to impersonate the real "Professor Skelcher", perhaps in the hopes that people on ZDNet (or even Slashdot) would see the post,' get angry enough to search for the Professor online, and flood his university account (for which, wisely, no one has posted the address here yet, though it is easy to find).
So perhaps you should sit back and consider how much time you're wasting arguing with some lame-ass guy who doesn't care about politics *or* software but instead merely intends to screw over Prof. Skelcher.
This is one of the longest Trolls I've seen in a while. Perhaps I'll send email to Skelcher@hotmail.com congratulating the author for a remarkably simple way to aggravate everyone on Slashdot.
-Felix
arvind rulez
Normally, Gore's as intersting as a dead tree.
but for the last couple of weeks,
he's shooting scandals all over us,
making noises (funny noises) and using ou-of-conext buzzphrases.
HE DOESNT COUNT ON THE GEEKS!
He count's on the geeks TO LAUGH AT HIM, thus, GIVING HIM MEDIA COVERAGE!
Although I remember how laughable was Perot 3 years ago,
he was a clown, he mocked himslef to everyone.
people today have no idea what open source is,
and who invented the internet,
but if the geeks are mad at him, it must be important thing.
(thinking redneck: whooo, geeks hate him? he must be good!)
We're just giving him attention,
that's what he wants.
if we ignored the whole thing,
then nobody would know about it, and nobody would care.
btw,
i think Segfault ran a piece about "anonymous coward is not one person".
They should have read it.
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Yes, you may have a point, however his past track record isn't good... The whole "inventing the internet" thing came out of his own mouth, remember....
---- Dave
The fine print clearly says the respective posters own their comments. I wonder if ZDNet got permission from "Anonymous Coward" to quote his stuff?
My other Slashdot ID is much lower.
We may be looking at a choice between Al "CDA" Gore and Dan Quayle. Is Corel hiring? Canada is looking damn good about now.
Was it Gore or RMS who invented the Linux kernel?
When you complain to them. This seems like exactly the sort of thing they are looking for. Flame the webmaster directly and maybe it'll get fixed. Even if you plan never to visit the site again, the web designer may end up going to Linux.org and remembering his toasting at your hands and avoid font sizes in HTML like the plague.
Internic leads back to a law firm called Sidley and Austin, based out of Chicago. Well.. atleast one of the contacts in Gore's site has an e-mail address at Sidley. Funny thing is that this firm coins itself as a a whole section on Cyberlaw.
If you use the word "Windows" in relation to a computer program, in a disengenuous way, or maybe any way at all, MS can sue you for infringing on their trademark. ``Open Source'' is a trademark relating to source code, Gore's use of it violates that trademark. You may not like the concept of trademarks, but, in the relevant jurisdiction, they are a part of law.
Gore's New Universe!
But isn't it true that Linux (or GNU/Linux or Gnulix or whatever) was the goal of the FSF? A completely free operating system? Linux looks like what RMS was advocating, Linux acts like what RMS was advocating, Linux appears (at least to me) to actually be what RMS was advocating. I would accuse the writer of over-generalizing, but not of being incorrect. Though your analysis the writer's intended meaning is more likely to be true than mine :)
I'm sorry, but that Courtney Love thing is so overblown. What's he supposed to say? "Hey, Ms. Love, I think your music sucks!"? He lied for the sake of politeness. If you have to say something, you often have to tell small polite lies, since it is socially unacceptable to be painfully honest about trivial things. In telling a small lie, he was essentially saying to Ms. Love "While I personally don't really like your music, I respect you enough not to insult you by saying so." I mean, come on! This is Tipper Gore's husband, the lady who practically wants to ban music entirely - did you ever really think that Al Gore was a fan of Courtney Love?
Yep, the republicans will be all over him with candidates that don't know jack about computers beyond microsoft. At least Al is trying.
You mean politians would say things they think that particular crowd would want to here? Never.
:)
Let's face it, the man is trolling for votes and attention, nothing more. Guess he's trying to shake off that "dead oak-tree" look/feeling he's got about him, by trying to change his whole image... and let's face it.. it's 1999... tech is in this year.
Family Values? I know it's the kick ass band from Cali, which I know personally. But any other status of the word is no longer valid..
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
I was so hoping that my posts would be included.. Oh well, at least i'm getting closer to my goal.. *muhahaa* Wait, I don't have a goal.. Some one toss me one!
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
I thought that most of us are not part of the wing.. I thought we had our own setup.. IE Middle Key..=P
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
If ZD net releases the link to out threads, it will show how much we bashed him and his wife. Also we bashed Bush a lil' bit too.. Umm That sound kind of like a sex issue, but oh well you know what I mean..
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
"I'm still upset that he wants to launch a satellite with only a camera to overlook earth so anyone on the Internet can look at our planet at any time."
Hey, leave the internet accessable satelite photos out of this.. That's a cool toy.. Oh big deal, if i'm out side they can see me.. I don't care.. That is why it called 'Being out in public'
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
The words "Protect the kids" looks good in black in white alone. If you read into and actually think about what it is doing, most of it is not helping them do what U.S. was estiblished for. Freedom, free of thought and freedom from major government control. American society is starting to convert back to what we originally faught for and it is sickning to think of that. What we need to focus on are the real crimes like rape. I feel like that should be manitory death on that one, if there is enough evidence against you, like dna. But what do I know, they make them seem like they stole a candy bar becuase they get out in 20 years. I feel rape is more worse than murder. But what do I know?
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Boy, where were you doing yesterday's post?? =P
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Anyone know of any company making artifical islands??? Now that would be cool.. Be your own country!!
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This was posted on ZD Net
Name: Bradley Skelcher
Email: Skelcher@hotmail.com
Location: Carbondale, Illinois
Occupation: Professor of History
Idiot geeks at it again. I can't believe that the idiots spending all of their time on the internet suddenly are outraged by VP Albert Gore stating his campaign site is open source. What gives the idiots who spend no time informing themselves about politics the right to claim obvious computer geek jargon as their own little phrase of stupidity anyway. Hey, computer geeks get a life; stop your stupid secret codes that remind of pig latin when I was in grade school. Speak English and stop claiming your jargon as your own private little language or else copyright it. Look, one of the things we learn in university classes is that jargon is an idiotic attempt to keep your little stupid secrets
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Hmmm.. Hmm.. Now we code everything.. It's all private, that is interesting...
So Brad, how's that ENIAC?
If wasn't for us geeks, we would be back in stone age.. We don't privately code anything, everything is there, you just have to search for the meaning and read on it.. Oh wait, that might take some time and advance your knowlage.. Is this why you teach history, becuase it's all already known, and barely help us advance.. Just tells us what not to do, and that we should run faster and faster away from it...
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Well spoken. People that attack the group which makes life more livable must be 1.)Insane 2.)Quaker (Even thou they usaully don't attack us, and if he is one, he's one hell of a hypocrate)
3.)A major religious freak that is against computers and new technologies, featured on some tv news show
4.)a history teacher!
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-=Ellis (D)25=-
Ok.. How many times are we going to go over the damned screen saver deal.. Big deal, at least that seems sound..
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I thought we were heading towards the MSN Satelite photo project... Some one correct me here!
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It's really funny.. I was seeing if they posted a link to the thread, and boom, there it was.. I saw and I was like, how dare he attempt to attack us on something he has no idea about..
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Rob, what about those shirts.. I think people would buy alot of them!! I sure would, well I did come up with the idea!
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We should gather up all the media and invite them to look at these 2 threads.. Boy I wonder how bad they would make us look.. Muahaha...
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Ok. Ok.. Ok.... I can't spell. No flames needed.
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A$$holes and clowns...Hmmm.. I think of my self to be nice, sometimes I can be a bit rude but that is just becuase i'm pointing out the obvious. Since I don't wear a squeeky nose and big silly shoe, i'm not a clown...
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If he wanted to learn, all he would have to do is ask.. Oh boy that was simple.. Yeah, we might make fun of him a little becuase he would of wanted us to teach him, but at least he would be actually trying to learn what everything in the computer world is, or at least enought to get him upto speed.
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'A war against the media'
I think we should start publizing these mishaps and make the world notice that we are not a force that is not heard. I know we are heard, but they try to push us back in the background, while pitching our voices. I think this should really be brought up to the people of the world.. Yeah, it doesn't seem much to some people, but some people it means the world.
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I stated yesterday that we should invite him to speak his mind..
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Ok.. 1st, we were not attacking the Democrats, we are fine w/ them. We were attacking his tactics in which he was using to gain ground in which he lost a part from us, and yet screwed up again.
2nd, we attacted the ethics in which he has been involded w/ that seem be compromising technology and the growth of the internet.
3rd, we critized him a lil' for being democratic since his affairs have had alot of religous background, in which democratics are trying to move government away from these issue.
4th, we talked about his fine ass daughters for a couple of posts.
5th, this poster on ZD is most likely a scared little cock sucker and has nothing to do but attack the people that are showing the wrongs in things and trying to make them betters.
6th, i have no idea where i'm taken this.....
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Umm.. WTF did that have to deal w/ this? Arrrrgggg.. I'm so sick of people posting in the wrong thread...
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MadDog wrote: ..... source mewans..... Not very geekie is it? Also open source is just the oposit of secret in geekdom.
The relpy should go along the line of" in the dictonarry the word open
means
the other thing is a web site in by vertue of being on the web subject to
geekisums. IE if you go to Mexico and say Nova people there will think "no go" not a Chevy.
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Only one page, not the site? Oh come one!! Kill this to death!!
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K, that is stating that he helped MS start from the ground up. It still just goes on what seems to be alot more false statements.
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Guess what, Kids are property according to our laws. Anyone under 18, are not guarentied rights..
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Well I didn't see that part.. It's just that i'm tired and ready to fall asleep at the keyboard.. And also i'm trying to make another 300 post section..hehehe.. Yeah, i'm wierd, so what?
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What is the most important issue facing the United States today?
Hehehe..
Other:protection from religion!
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Hey, that would probably be more fun.. No more stupid lil' booths, just do it from home..
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Anonymous is sooo fat, he/she engulf the world.
Anonymous is sooo intelligent, they post all over the place..
Ok, I know lame jokes... Submit yours now!
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I was sort of compairing it to a slap on the wrist.. Oh 20 years, that will show them, and most of them will get out in 10 for 'good behavoir'.. Sometimes I wish that 8th admendment wasn't there.. Flogging for all 2000!!
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Becuase cencorship affects us all on the net.. What if you were censored and you could let anyone see your expressed ideas, or /. was broken down to censoring and not allowing us to post?
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Well I didn't mean to throw any bad vibes that way. I love the quaker way off life, a working communism (communism is not evil.. It's a form of economics...) I was just stating that they do not believe in the use of advanced technologies in their way of life. They are lovable people!
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Why are we going off, becuase he's not doing his job good and he's trying to run for president in 2000.. Look, I don't want some one that doesn't know much about the subject, and I don't want someone who can't lie worth a da....Wait a minute.. If he can't lie worth a damn, the wall can crumble down.. *MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*
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Doh! Sorry, I was thinking quaker and pictured the oatmeal (I know that's bad) and had the thoughts of the Amish (Amish paradise is an awsom song =P)... I know what i'm talking about, but, my fingers are stupid!!
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What's green, white and red all over?
Sorry had to do it..
Maybe we can start rumors about Gore and Love..hahaha
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ChineseBuddistMonk/Gore
Hmm.. That sounds really good.. As long as he takes his wife with him..
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He's the average american.. Clueless.....
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I'm 19 and from Silicon Valley. So I have seen all this cencorship stuff going on when I moved to Texas. SV is so uncencored it's lovable. But Tipper was the one who got them off the ground with the publicity. One of these days the will all die off, but untill then i'm going to make fun of them.
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I hate that.. Some of the Canadians bitching about US and saying how much better they are. The fact is that, the US is their platform of economy... It would be funny to start doing what we do to mexico and japan as far as borders and trade..
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The logical answer would be, no they couldn't do anything about asking that question.
The real answer is that they would a.)spy on you 24/7 or b.)bust you asap and put on trial for being a suspected drugie and sell off all your items before trail (which is illegal according the constitution.)
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Ok.. So which politician should we pick on now?
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Linux dead in 5 years.. I say that would be a bad statment.. I think it will be on at least 1/2 the pc in the world..
With improvements I have seen in the past 3 years, I truely feel that alot more people will convert over, even the people that don't know what it is at the moment...
(after 5 years watch this come back and hit me in the face like a cream pie, mmmm pie mmmm)
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Felix, /. people, to let the people see what we really had to say. I find it very unprofessional. I don't claim to the most knowalagable person here, I do post replies w/ out thinking, I just speak my mind, which make me seem quite stupid at time. But I also like to bitch alot, specially when i'm posting on here, becuase i'm at work and I do phone support (which hopefully I can get out of that and get some where else this company), and it's just all the simplist calls that people should know what to do just tick me off. Instead of taken those issue and bich about them, I find something more meaningful to whine about and reduce my strees..
Well you have to understand that alot of my posts are just all fun and games. I'm just out to make people laugh.. But this guy was just harping on a community which made the world livable today. I'm surprized that ZD net actually allow to post. ZD is not one my list of 'stupid media'. They allow these guys to slam us, but they wont allows us, the
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Isn't HTML open source whether you like or not. Maybe we should take all of the HTML pages on the site and make some changes. Some code changes here, some ideas we like better there, maybe some new graphics smattered about the site. Then submit (via e-mail) all of open source changes to the web master. I wonder how long it would be before they decided it was a bad idea. Probably about the same time their mail server kicked the bucket.
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InstantCool
... HELL NO!
Just as an exercise
lawyers real soon.
You would be in violation of copyright if you posted whole articles outright without permission.
However, quoting a sentence or two from one of their articles in something you write (and giving them credit) is a textbook example of "fair use". It's 100% legal and you would not be contacted by any lawyers.
Hell, posting links to and breif quotes from copyrighted news articles is the reason for
First of all it runs on MS IIS 4.0. Even if you ignore that and say he is talking about the html of the site you still have two problems ;)
1) That is a really stupid argument, and I doubt it is true, e.g. can I freely copy the images on the site? Are they copyrighted? In what way?
2) The site uses ASP pages which are NOT open in anyway, if he wants us to help develop his site he has to open up those ASP scripts too
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By not letting kids tell people their names and email addresses, they are discriminating against children.
20 years in prison for stealing a candy bar?
Watch out! If you swear, Tipper might censor you!
Journalists. You'd think they're the ones that are supposed to show the truth, but somehow most of the stuff that they say has been "polished" so it sounds good. I'm very disappointed in the media of today.
How many times have you read something, and with every word you read, you're thinking "This is just wrong".
Mina
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I'm out of my mind, leave a message.
But "such as" doesn't always tell you where the parenthetical statement ends.
This is just another example of him being far more into the politics of things instead of the issues at hand. He'd rather be percieved to be a technological advocate than to be one. Machivelli wrote about this kind of behavior.
If he's the candidate then it's just going to be another election where everybody loses.
This is my signature. There are many signatures like it but this one is mine..
News.com is running a short story about this too. They mention slashdot and some of the comments that were made. http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,3 4816,00.html
-Emilio
And don't blame ZDNet for their poorly researched articles. They have to hire journalists because geeks cant spel. Or make complete sentences.
I'm a geek with a journalism degree. I suppose that makes me overqualified for a job with ZDNet. Darn.
Accually he stated during his initial 1992 (I think it was 92?) vice presidental campain that he had been a tobacco farmer. But then the minute the tobacco lawsuits and what not started, he spoke against tobacco, and all the people behind it.
Accually if you stopped and paid attention to the information you where dumping, the contact information for the two domains are completly different, as well as the sites themselves. If you look at gore2000.com you will see what is oviously a site put up by his supporters, but doesn't seem to carry the air of officiality. While algore200.com (or gore200.org) which takes you to the same site, his offical website, which runs IIS
...but doesn't walk the walk.
Trying to fit in with a subculture simply by using their jargon just makes you appear silly. If you were to visit East London and start talking in rhyming slang because you thought it'd make you fit in, you'd just end up sounding an idiot (and would probably attract the attention of some burly Cockney lads who thought you were taking the mickey). So it is with Al.
"As expected, Slashdot's readers gave Gore 2000 a shellacking..."
they should have added:
"...not unlike ZDNet receives on a regular basis"
:^)
[We don't come from a planet. We come from a grid sector.]
Hey, did anyone actually look at the source on that page? There's a little letter from AG that starts by saying "
:-)
Thanks for checking out our source code!"
Scrolling down a bit will take you to the "Attention Open Source Enthusiasts" section where they want people to develop a Linux screensaver:
"A special message for Open Source Software enthusiasts: We are very interested in developing content that takes advantage of Open Source software such as Linux. For starters, we are conducting a Gore 2000 Linux Screen Saver design competition among volunteers to see who can build the best Gore 2000 Linux screen savers. If you would like to submit a Gore 2000 Linux screen saver for consideration, or if you have ideas for this project, please send an e-mail to: opensource@algore2000.com
Watch this space for more Open Source ideas and volunteer opportunities."
Not being American I'll bow out of the competition, but I imagine a lot of you should have something whipped up in a jif... get to it
[We don't come from a planet. We come from a grid sector.]
As do I.
wait.... Richard Stallman wrote Linux, didn't he? or was that Al too...
Gorix?
-krog
Cretin - a powerful and flexible CD reencoder
Gore may not be as dumb as he seems, politically speaking. Technologically, he is incompetent, but then, so is the vast majority of the electorate. Gore's recent mistakes have alienated but a small portion of the population: those who actully know what the Internet is and where it came from. I would contend that his mistakes have drawn far more people to him than they have driven away.
We live in an age where the most popular computing books can be described by "* for Dummies." It might as well be "* for Al Gore." People can relate to him. The majority of computer users think Gore is on their level, the "Dummies". His mistakes prove it. The people do not want a hacker controlling the Internet. Joe "AOL/Microsoft" Newbie wants to be able to pretend he understands computers, or that he doesn't have to. Gore, by being the political figure for all things computerish, provides that illusion, and more.
It's not just Internet neophytes who want Gore in control. Most of those people who don't use computers, and who have an opinion about
regulation, want the computer industry regulated. This is a vast voting block. Mention the word "Internet" to these people and images of promiscuous sex and child molestation flash across their minds. Mention "hacker" and you'll get the image of a teenage punk causing terror and destruction with a computer instead of a knife and spray paint. Gore is the cadidate who appears to have just enough knowledge to be able to control the Beast, therefore he will get the votes.
Who has he alienated with his untruths and mis-used jargon? The hacker comminity is one block. It is also tiny, and not necesarily very politically active. There are those on the fringe of the aforementioned group, but not really a part of it: those who know what the Internet is and how
it came about, who know what open source software is, and think they are both good things, but can't code anything worth while. A good cross section of this group is provided by sampling the readers of Slashdot. This may be a slightly larger block, but still not as significant as those that Gore is pulling towards him.
Gore is a politician, not a hacker. Hackers make things work while politicians get enough people to believe that they work. Mr. Vice President is doing an excellent job at the second. That he cannot do the first alienates those who can tell the difference. This is a small group, politically not worth appeasing. "I was tired," is not a valid apology. The masses, and in politics the only thing that is important is the masses, will eat up what Gore has to say. In this way will he win.
Gore2000 - an Open source site that runs Apac^H^H^H^H IIS 4.0.
ugh.
As I understand it, Al Gore was one of the main pushers of the Clipper Chip. In general, he's never seemed to me to be the greatest friend of free and open expression on the internet. He's the sort of guy who can be dangerous when he's championing your cause, because you just know he isn't on the same page as you.
In any case, we live in an age of gross misrepresentation of science and technology and their associated experts by the media (I tend to lump campaigning politicians in with the rest of the media). For example, have you ever seen the movie "Deep Impact"? Despite some things I read that insisted that it was well fact checked, I was hard pressed to find anything in the movie that they actually got right, aside from the fact that a large comet hitting the earth makes a big boom. The thing is, most people beleive this stuff, and I think Al Gore would probably be one of them. At the very least I'd hope that, if he were president in such a situation he'd have at least enough sense to evacuate the coastal areas before the last minute.
Anyway, that's how Gore stikes me. Like the average professional American who wants to think of himself as a Power User and thinks that it makes him an expert. The average American wants to think of him/herself as techno-savvy and living in a country that is technologically (and politically and spiritually and intellectually and militarily, but I won't get into that) superior to all other countries. At the same time, the average American doesn't want to learn anything if it can be avoided. If a device takes more than a minute to learn to use, it's too complex. Most people just don't want to deal with any of the details, but still want to celebrate the technology.
managed to report with reference to /. but without links. CNet often does include links in stories.
Actually I do use ZDNet and CNet and Gilder Technology Reports, and MIT Technology Mag, and a great number of other print and web based sources in addition to Slashdot. While the dynamics of Slashdot (speed of happenings) is unique, there is nevertheless more to the technology world than can be discovered here alone.
Right, so now Anonymous Cowards are making the headlines at ZDNet!
:)
Whatever next?
Richard Stallman has been a Linux fan since 1984! Those ZDNet reporters are really unearthing some long-buried secrets!
I think they were referring to when RMS first started touting the open source model.
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I emailed the campaign. I noted that, between the positioning as the "online" candidate and the reaction he is eliciting out of the software community, he will have a similar problem to a law-and-order candidate that can't get approval from the cops. I suggested that he either back off on the online stuff (I don't know his stances elsewhere), or hire a hardboiled geek as a point of reference. Maybe he should just listen to his own Webmaster... There's no need to shock or get angry at Gore or the Gore campaign. If this hurts nothing but Gore and his campaign, all we should do is inform the fool of his folly. If they listen, Gore may become the online candidate, or at least give up the idea altogether. If not, he marches off the precipice alone.
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This is somewhat off-topic, but I find this author to be an interesting individual since for me his post raises more questions about the author than about its content. I am, at first glance, inclined to believe that the author is not who he says he is.
I find the author's excessive use of "idiot" to be a bit tiring. Perhaps it is an example of one of those "stupid secret codes" he is complaining of? An opening of "Idiot geeks at it again," is arguably too strong and untempered an expression of indignance to attribute to a typical university professor. (Most have learned to be slippery with their rhetoric so as not to be caught in the bind of having a documentable opinion on anything). Perhaps Deleware State University hires faculty who are only marginally literate? A more likely possiblity is that this individual is attempting, for whatever reason, to resemble the "idiot" he targets.
I also find it revealing that the author does not list an affiliation with his title, though certainly one with the mental capacity to acquire a tenured faculty position at a reputable university must understand that "idiot geeks" such as myself who are intrigued by his "Professor of History" will find his affiliation quickly enough. A quick search reveals that a Prof. Bradley Skelcher does indeed hold a full professor faculty position in the Department of History and Political Science at Delaware State University. One questions, if this post is legit, whether his university knows that he represents himself (and by extension his employer) publicly in this manner.
(As an aside, after perusing his CV he seems to have only six journal publications. I'm not familiar with the historical and political science fields, and I realize the number of journal publications an individual has is perhaps not an appropriate gauge of his contribution to the field, but is this typical of faculty in these disciplines?)
My gut reaction is to assume this is a troll written by another and intended to somehow defame this Professor Skelcher, however Professor Skelcher appears to have a strong involvement with the Democratic party, so this comment may have been made made more as a public declaration of loyalty to that party and an attack on "idiot geeks" who are not "Gore2k" supporters.
Anyone know who this bloke is?
The difficulty here is one of semantics. Politicians have long been known for taking a turnip and calling it an apple, turnipness notwithstanding. What matters is not the content of what is said but rather the affective qualities. Does Gore make you feel all cozy and warm now that he appears to be on the technotwink side? Go to Iowa at the time of the early caucuses and you'll see the same techo-Gore wearing a seed-corn cap and riding a tractor. Like any modern politician, he's after the image of "Gore the Computer Hacker" (original meaning intended), "Gore the Farmer," "Gore the Transexual Plumber From Boise." Whatever images he has to plant to get the votes, that's what he'll do.
The inherent difficulty arises when the same politician tries to appeal to a community, such as the scientific communities, the medical community, or the computer/info tech communities, who expect and rely upon precision of speech. Gore simply had bad advice from his staff, I'd guess. He saw the technologically savvy as a virgin to woo; he (or more likely, his staff) underestimated just how anal this same group of people can be when it comes to language, though the incessant sparring over whether it should be called Linux, GNU/Linux, LiGNUx, or Linux/GNU should have clued them in had they done a little legwork.
To take his "Open Source" offer at face value could be a dangerous legal move; it's doubtful Gore or his staff understand what those words mean to this community, and I doubt they'll toss away any of their perceived legal rights just because they are ignorant of what they said.
Incidentally, I don't see this snafu as being any worse than Kennedy's eating pizza with a fork. Kennedy alienated those in the community he was trying to reach, but as a side effect he probably impressed scads of wasps out there with his impeccable table manners. My prediction is that Gore will not only survive but will likely gain more votes by wowing housewives with his techo-laced Newspeak than he'll lose from this community.
I think Gore has an inferiority complex.
I don't doubt that he and his wife have something to do with the internet. But why does it always have to be against the privacy and freedoms of the citizens?
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True, I must. If he did. But he doesn't.
"Exporters of 56-bit DES or equivalent encryption products would make commitments to develop and sell products that support the key recovery system that I announced in July. That vision presumes that a trusted party (in some cases internal to the user's organization) would recover the user's confidentiality key for the user or for law enforcement officials acting under proper authority. Access to keys would be provided in accordance with destination country policies and bilateral understandings. No key length limits or algorithm restrictions will apply to exported key recovery products.
from Gore's 10/1/96 press statement, emphasis mine.
This is one example. I located it in about two minutes. If you'd like, I can produce much more documentation of Gore's support for impractical and unconstitutional government control of communications, hidden behind a warm fuzzy "do it for the children!" attitude. Simply put, yes, he knows the Internet exists. But he's probably one of the worst things that ever happened to it.
> Despite his strange wife's agenda Al Gore is good for the technological world
I'm sorry, but in light of his stance and actions regarding privacy and his tendency to think that he's got to "make the Internet safe for kids" (as though he had more control over children than their own parents), I cannot believe the last statement. He is simply an opportunist politician who latches onto an idealistic view of something he really does not understand.
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The Quaker religion, aka the Society of Friends, is a religion that promotes and practices equality and nonviolence. They have no prohibitions against anything technological, in fact, one of the only things they vehemently oppose is passing judgement on another person.
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No offense was taken by either the Mac-usin' dirty Jew or his backwards Quaker girlfriend ;) Just wanted to clear this up.
By the power of Grayskull... offtopic begone!
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A public place is defined as somewhere that anyone can assemble and speak freely without unreasonable limitation.
... HELL NO!
... take some of ZDNet's articles and repost them on your site. You'll be contacted by their lawyers real soon.
A website can limit it's visitors, remove users at will, and control all speech on that site for ANY reason the owner feels necessary.
This is NOT a public place such as a public sidewalk or the courthouse steps.
If I post something on my site, does that give ZDNet the right to post parts of it on their site without my permission
Just as an exercise
I'll simply quote their copyright notice:
Reproduction in whole or in part in any form or medium without express written permission of ZDNet is prohibited.
Notice the "whole or in part" section. I guess I just violated that. heh.
I find this more and more troubling each time I see it. News organizations taking quotes from slashdot comments (sometimes, out of context) and posting them to a news story. To me it seems they are scraping the bottom of the barrel for sources, so they leech from what we say here.
On the Gore2000 topic, I sent an email to him stating that he is violating a trademark that is only licensed to project that meet the open source requirements which his does not. I also let him know that he is losing MANY voters over this and we'd be better off with Ross Perot in the whitehouse. (The Ross Perot thing was just to get a reaction, heh.)
I wonder how many other people have emailed them about this?
I doubt the various idiotic remarks were
intended for the slashdot audience. For better
or worse, the avg American voter is clueless and
they will likely be fooled by Gore. The
housewife in Peoria probably thinks Gore
is 'cutting edge', 'plugged into the Info Highway', etc.
I hope some slashdot readers have/will send
emails to mainstream news organizations so
they might start potraying Gore accurately as
the ignorant oppotunist that he is.
-Lin
>> Between the democrats inventing everything and the republicans shitting on civic rights, the independent vote is looking pretty good. ... http://www.lp.org/
...
Maybe Libertarian is where you (we all?) should be
AngusSF
"A gun is a tool, Marian. No better, no worse than any other tool. An axe, a shovel, or anything." Shane (1953)
Don't tell me that I don't program websites and I work too hard to conceal our source code to not respect what Gore is doing.
Don't let ignorami tell you any different.
Open Source for Al Gore to "Compile"
Run Campaign 2000
If Polls GoTo Worthless Promises
If Worthless Promise=Everything then goto 1600 Penn Ave
If not Worthless Promise Begin Lie
If Lie goto 1600 Penn Ave
If Lie Caught then Deny
End United States of America
You don't need permission for quotes, as far as i know. As long as you're not quoting, say, the entire text and calling it a quote, you're fine. For instance, when you write a paper and quote a few lines from some other paper, you don't need permission. All that is required is that (besides it being relevant) you reference it.
Demonstrant's Open Source Tools
I can't believe the retard level this site is operating on, would somebody have at least told them that websites are inherently 'open source' (if you can call it that at all ?)
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In any case, its quite obvious that he doesnt care about any technology issues at the moment, or he would be risking his politcal career on more contreversial issues such as cryptography, mpeg3 audio and channels of distribution, Microsoft and the Justice Department, etc
Its also kind of funny that all these politicians are using the internet as a kind of miracle tool for education, most likely if those kids do get fibre and fast workstations at school, they'll be '3133tly hax0ring' or downloading pr0n.
Just my
Dumb and Dumber.