In response to point #2 - I never used a scroll wheel and resented them because they always felt intrusive and annoying sitting there in the center of the bloody mouse.
I finally decided about 3 months ago to try actually getting one of them to work (I only have unix systems) and after about 20 minutes had it working quite well using imwheel.
Now, not only does this work on web pages but it gets bound with the PageUp/PageDown so it's very handy with tons and tons of other applications (IRC, terms, editors, hell.. I even have used it with vi)
Now I'm stuck buying damn wheel mice because I found them to be very useful - you sound like you really haven't used them that much, or given them a fair chance - I know this because I used to sound just like you, before I got used to them.
I now have a mental imagery of a Catholic nun walking down the cubicle rows slapping young online bidders on the wrists to keep them in line with other eBay users.
Interesting way to think. Keep that same thought in mind as you go back and read your response to the first poster.
My original response was telling him if he gets no respect no matter where he goes, he should look at himself. Goes into the old philosophy, if 100 people tell you that you are wrong chances are you are. Not always, but most of the time.
The whole reason I actually go in and look at nice cars, not usually to buy them but it is to get that transparent respect that I oh-so-love. It's a sample of social engineering.
Also, don't forget about ARIN databases and other international databases to find out the general location.
Each IP address is allocated to a certain ISP or individual, if you can find that IP from an ISP you generally have a good idea as to where they are logging in from.
Personal IP blocks (for example, if I lease a T1 line and rent out a class C) also must have your address associated to them.
The major problem with this solution (Which VisualRoute solves, I use it at work all the time to solve this) is that with companies like AOL and other megacorps most of their IP addresses are based in a central location (Virginia in this case) - and then you have to default to a traceroute via VisualRoute or something else.
Harsh judgement considering you do not know me. Because I look at a car that has a sticker of $89K doesn't make me a sucker. It makes me appreciate what I can purchase because of the choices I have made in life.
Do I own the car? Nope, I have a Camry and I'm buying a Jeep in feb. -- it's just fun to tinker around with a Mercedes sports car, but in realism the only sport vehicle I'll have is a motorcycle.
For 20 mil I'd let him sit in my closet with a bunch of blinking lights and play 2001 music all day long while occasionally flashing pictures of the solar system through the crack in the door.
Then why don't you take your own actions into accountability?
To qualify myself, I am 20 years old.
I walked into a local auto mall, sat down in a Mercedes 430 CLK loaded that had a sticker of $89,000 -- you know what? They knew I could afford the damn car because of how I acted. I wasn't dressed that nice. Wearing a black leather jacket, a pocket linux tshirt, a pair of casual pants and boots.
But, I act like I'm not some kid who is just there to waste there time. I was there because I wanted to look at a CLK 430.
Same thing with the Honda S2000, my motorcycle (that I bought in favor of the S2000) - I get asked, "Are you going to be paying in cash" more times then I get a cold shoulder while looking at expensive toys. And I purchased my motorcycle while I was 19.
The only time I get brushed off is while I'm looking at a $400 suit - ironic, eh?
Your the fool in this circumstance, because me and my younger friends (16-20) all have no problems because we know how to act. Take accountability in your own actions.
The funniest portion of looking back at ESR's response is at the current moment his stock portfolio isn't even at 1.5 million now - that must hurt losing $40 million dollars that was yours on paper but you never saw.
Fixing bugs and gaining status from improving security is
proper. Punishing folk for being able to demonstrate a security problem is improper. Perhaps vile is
a better word.
This is the same thing as having lil Billy tell lil Sam that Sam can borrow Billy's parents car. Then Sam getting pissed off that he's in jail for grand theft. I'm not saying it's correct to punish people for authorized activity -- but if you do something that is not authorized by the proper person, it is against the law. Now, teachers are not the final say in what can and cannot happen in class. Just because a teacher says the sky is purple doesn't make it so, and likewise, if a teacher says go crack this security system and you do it the admins have every right to get pissed at you.
If some specific reward is
promissed, then this should be considered a contract.
Under state law (in most US states) you cannot bind into a legal contract under the age of 18. Therefore he could have promised him the moon, the students actions were his own; as no legal establishment was there. The worst that would happen is conspiracy to commit a crime, and possibly coercion on the adults part.
And, alerting them to a security problem is one thing but actually exploiting it is another. Saying, "Yes there is a hole" is much different then going "Let me show you the hole" -- granted, the end result is that there is a security hole -- but the variation is what happens to the messenger. It goes into the lack of accountability and responsibility people have for their own actions; everyone is so quick to blame other people without looking at themselves.
If you are not told by an authorized (not someone you think is authorized, ignorance is not bliss) it's ok to do something, it is wrong. Don't piss and moan because you were too infantile to actually check with someone who was in a position to authorize it.
Education may be unimportant to the extreme few who are lucky enough to be smart, talented, motivated and provided with advantages from birth (smart parents who provide for their kids, access to computers, books, musical instruments, etc.).
Hogwash.
I do not consider school to be part of my education -- Mark Twain.
I did something similar, after advancing 2 grades I dropped out because running my own web programming firm wasn't considered a "real job" from our work experience teacher and I would have to be held back from graduating over.5 credits.
Unfortunately, most high school teachers and staff do not understand when they have bright kids who know what they want to do in life and do it. Often times they tend to punish them for it.
However gloating about your success in your career doesn't mean anything above them. And if you are talking about college teachers I know one who would put you to shame (He's in a special niche, played his cards right and owns a lotus and a ferrari.)
The ironic thing, in my school everytime I rooted the servers they just asked me how I did it so they could patch it and let me on my way -- I earned a lot of respect from the computer department in my high school because of my maturity through everything. Maybe you should look at the actions of you - an aid is nothing, they mean jack. You should take the responsibility to talk to admins about it, as they are the final word.
You were not authorized to gain that access from someone who was capable of authorizing you -- therefor you were punished accordingly. Don't bitch about how unfair the system is if you aren't being fair with it.
I was actually referring to the internet, as people say the US is it is very lacking. I am from Oregon originally, and some of my family still lives up there.
It is very common to see rebel flags and racist groups.. that's not a melting pot. Only in metropolitan areas is there any degree of cultural diversity from my experience.
But on what planet are devices 1-10
millimeters in size "smaller than the width of a human hair"?
Human, n.: Silly looking earth based creature
Through deductive reasoning, I conclude that the answer to this question is... Earth!. Seeing that Earth is the only planet that has humans. This could help you
Not too long ago, there was some common system package where the original distribution files
were replaced with hacked binaries.
Use better terminology, you do not "hack" a binary. You corrupt it. It still has absolutely nothing to do with the argument of Binary Vs. Source -- the same thing can (and did happen) with source distributions, that was why your argument was absurd. It really is, saying binaries are bad because of the possibility of infection. Both are. That is my point.
And yes, it is KDE1 that I was referring to as KDE is still known as KDE1 and KDE2 referred commonly as KDE2. Yes, for those who don't want to dedicate an overnight compile for KDE2 should use binaries. As for myself, it's quite easy to write a shell script to recursively compile directories and check for errors and even start "xmms No_Satisfaction.mp3" on an error to wake me from my slumber.
First off, wasn't talking baby-science. Was telling him he said something that was wrong. Sue me, if he is a scientist he will go, "Hey great, I learned that Europa doesn't have a glass-like surface".
Also, I am bilingual does that mean I get special treatment too?
Definitely agreed. I should setup a nice little canned email response, "This is pre-alpha, that is what is causing your problem. Bugger off".
I like screenshots, good eye candy. Me and another developer who are working on different methodologies for gradients have shown back and forth about 5 different screenshots to see what has the best result.
This is just really absurd. A binary cannot be trojaned unless there is already something on the system as long as you download from the actual site or a trusted mirror.
Don't blame a binary, blame a stupid user for downloading something from an untrusted site. Same logic goes when talking about why their are no virii for linux. It all goes into, "Only run what you trust", if you don't do that then you deserve what you get.
And as far as KDE goes, I really have no idea what you are talking about -- I just downloaded it and compiled from scratch and it was a) significantly bigger than linux-2.2.17 and b) took about 1.5 hours on a 500Mhz to build everything
This goes into my original point though, if you want to see what it's about use a binary so you don't have to muck with compilation. If you want to use something, compile it because you'll get the best product out of it.
Does it really cause a huge havoc to release the binaries? Lets see, it's not that much more work - it's easy and doesn't require any additional effort than releasing a properly setup tarball.
The benefits of this, if I think the idea behind the project is cool and it's been in an active development state and I download the source tarball and try to compile it and it fails I will probably desert the project. However if I look at something that actually runs to see if the time they've spent has been good and that it looks pretty solid and has a good start, then I'll wrestle with getting their CVS/alpha/pre package to compile and build on my machine.
Whoever thinks binaries are a bad thing, with no good merits I feel sorry for them. However, any application that I use on a regular basis will be compiled from source and optimized for my platform if possible.
First off, it is Europa not Europe. One is a continent, one is a moon. And also, Europa does not have a glass-like surface. If you have ever seen a picture of it you would know this. It has what more looks like scars running all across it. If that's glass-like, that's pretty poor quality glass.
But, the reason that Europa has the scars and canyons running through it is that scientists suspect that it is an ice surface, with liquid water under the surface pushing and proding upwards. This ice surface is more than likely what is keeping the majority of the liquid water on the moon so that it doesn't dissipate into the atmosphere.
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I finally decided about 3 months ago to try actually getting one of them to work (I only have unix systems) and after about 20 minutes had it working quite well using imwheel.
Now, not only does this work on web pages but it gets bound with the PageUp/PageDown so it's very handy with tons and tons of other applications (IRC, terms, editors, hell.. I even have used it with vi)
Now I'm stuck buying damn wheel mice because I found them to be very useful - you sound like you really haven't used them that much, or given them a fair chance - I know this because I used to sound just like you, before I got used to them.
My original response was telling him if he gets no respect no matter where he goes, he should look at himself. Goes into the old philosophy, if 100 people tell you that you are wrong chances are you are. Not always, but most of the time.
The whole reason I actually go in and look at nice cars, not usually to buy them but it is to get that transparent respect that I oh-so-love. It's a sample of social engineering.
Each IP address is allocated to a certain ISP or individual, if you can find that IP from an ISP you generally have a good idea as to where they are logging in from.
Personal IP blocks (for example, if I lease a T1 line and rent out a class C) also must have your address associated to them.
The major problem with this solution (Which VisualRoute solves, I use it at work all the time to solve this) is that with companies like AOL and other megacorps most of their IP addresses are based in a central location (Virginia in this case) - and then you have to default to a traceroute via VisualRoute or something else.
Harsh judgement considering you do not know me. Because I look at a car that has a sticker of $89K doesn't make me a sucker. It makes me appreciate what I can purchase because of the choices I have made in life.
Do I own the car? Nope, I have a Camry and I'm buying a Jeep in feb. -- it's just fun to tinker around with a Mercedes sports car, but in realism the only sport vehicle I'll have is a motorcycle.
Now, that really sounds like a sucker right?
For 20 mil I'd let him sit in my closet with a bunch of blinking lights and play 2001 music all day long while occasionally flashing pictures of the solar system through the crack in the door.
To qualify myself, I am 20 years old.
I walked into a local auto mall, sat down in a Mercedes 430 CLK loaded that had a sticker of $89,000 -- you know what? They knew I could afford the damn car because of how I acted. I wasn't dressed that nice. Wearing a black leather jacket, a pocket linux tshirt, a pair of casual pants and boots.
But, I act like I'm not some kid who is just there to waste there time. I was there because I wanted to look at a CLK 430.
Same thing with the Honda S2000, my motorcycle (that I bought in favor of the S2000) - I get asked, "Are you going to be paying in cash" more times then I get a cold shoulder while looking at expensive toys. And I purchased my motorcycle while I was 19.
The only time I get brushed off is while I'm looking at a $400 suit - ironic, eh?
Your the fool in this circumstance, because me and my younger friends (16-20) all have no problems because we know how to act. Take accountability in your own actions.
I know that would suck from my point of view.
The whole thing seems silly to me
echo "."
sleep 1
done
He still will have to pay for his bandwidth too.
I think the best illustration of this thread shows that a lot of people can just be plain stupid regardless of what operating system they use.
This is the same thing as having lil Billy tell lil Sam that Sam can borrow Billy's parents car. Then Sam getting pissed off that he's in jail for grand theft. I'm not saying it's correct to punish people for authorized activity -- but if you do something that is not authorized by the proper person, it is against the law. Now, teachers are not the final say in what can and cannot happen in class. Just because a teacher says the sky is purple doesn't make it so, and likewise, if a teacher says go crack this security system and you do it the admins have every right to get pissed at you.
If some specific reward is promissed, then this should be considered a contract. Under state law (in most US states) you cannot bind into a legal contract under the age of 18. Therefore he could have promised him the moon, the students actions were his own; as no legal establishment was there. The worst that would happen is conspiracy to commit a crime, and possibly coercion on the adults part.
And, alerting them to a security problem is one thing but actually exploiting it is another. Saying, "Yes there is a hole" is much different then going "Let me show you the hole" -- granted, the end result is that there is a security hole -- but the variation is what happens to the messenger. It goes into the lack of accountability and responsibility people have for their own actions; everyone is so quick to blame other people without looking at themselves.
If you are not told by an authorized (not someone you think is authorized, ignorance is not bliss) it's ok to do something, it is wrong. Don't piss and moan because you were too infantile to actually check with someone who was in a position to authorize it.
Hogwash.
I do not consider school to be part of my education -- Mark Twain.
Unfortunately, most high school teachers and staff do not understand when they have bright kids who know what they want to do in life and do it. Often times they tend to punish them for it.
However gloating about your success in your career doesn't mean anything above them. And if you are talking about college teachers I know one who would put you to shame (He's in a special niche, played his cards right and owns a lotus and a ferrari.)
The ironic thing, in my school everytime I rooted the servers they just asked me how I did it so they could patch it and let me on my way -- I earned a lot of respect from the computer department in my high school because of my maturity through everything. Maybe you should look at the actions of you - an aid is nothing, they mean jack. You should take the responsibility to talk to admins about it, as they are the final word.
You were not authorized to gain that access from someone who was capable of authorizing you -- therefor you were punished accordingly. Don't bitch about how unfair the system is if you aren't being fair with it.
Hi, I was born on Power the 13th. Just doesn't sound right.
I have been looking at it and can't come up with anything that any normal sane person would say a few times a day.
It is very common to see rebel flags and racist groups.. that's not a melting pot. Only in metropolitan areas is there any degree of cultural diversity from my experience.
Human, n.: Silly looking earth based creature
Through deductive reasoning, I conclude that the answer to this question is ... Earth!. Seeing that Earth is the only planet that has humans. This could help you
Use better terminology, you do not "hack" a binary. You corrupt it. It still has absolutely nothing to do with the argument of Binary Vs. Source -- the same thing can (and did happen) with source distributions, that was why your argument was absurd. It really is, saying binaries are bad because of the possibility of infection. Both are. That is my point.
And yes, it is KDE1 that I was referring to as KDE is still known as KDE1 and KDE2 referred commonly as KDE2. Yes, for those who don't want to dedicate an overnight compile for KDE2 should use binaries. As for myself, it's quite easy to write a shell script to recursively compile directories and check for errors and even start "xmms No_Satisfaction.mp3" on an error to wake me from my slumber.
First off, wasn't talking baby-science. Was telling him he said something that was wrong. Sue me, if he is a scientist he will go, "Hey great, I learned that Europa doesn't have a glass-like surface".
Also, I am bilingual does that mean I get special treatment too?
I like screenshots, good eye candy. Me and another developer who are working on different methodologies for gradients have shown back and forth about 5 different screenshots to see what has the best result.
Don't blame a binary, blame a stupid user for downloading something from an untrusted site. Same logic goes when talking about why their are no virii for linux. It all goes into, "Only run what you trust", if you don't do that then you deserve what you get.
And as far as KDE goes, I really have no idea what you are talking about -- I just downloaded it and compiled from scratch and it was a) significantly bigger than linux-2.2.17 and b) took about 1.5 hours on a 500Mhz to build everything
This goes into my original point though, if you want to see what it's about use a binary so you don't have to muck with compilation. If you want to use something, compile it because you'll get the best product out of it.
The benefits of this, if I think the idea behind the project is cool and it's been in an active development state and I download the source tarball and try to compile it and it fails I will probably desert the project. However if I look at something that actually runs to see if the time they've spent has been good and that it looks pretty solid and has a good start, then I'll wrestle with getting their CVS/alpha/pre package to compile and build on my machine.
Whoever thinks binaries are a bad thing, with no good merits I feel sorry for them. However, any application that I use on a regular basis will be compiled from source and optimized for my platform if possible.
But, the reason that Europa has the scars and canyons running through it is that scientists suspect that it is an ice surface, with liquid water under the surface pushing and proding upwards. This ice surface is more than likely what is keeping the majority of the liquid water on the moon so that it doesn't dissipate into the atmosphere.
I think I missed that era completely.