No doubt Dirac is far better. VP3 is quite old now, and Theora hasn't made any significant improvements over VP3.
I think the horse to cheer for is snow. It's developing quite nicely, unlike both Dirac and Theora, which seem to be dragging on very slowly.
The whole idea of Theora is a poor one. We had an open source VP3 codec in 2001, and instead of promoting it, adding 2-pass support, etc., they spent the past several years re-writing it, and now, when the codec is looking old, they still aren't ready to release the new one, with currently no real advantages over the old one... Xiph clearly missed the boat on Theora. I'd rather use MPEG-1 at this point (also patent-free).
I bought an Epson C82, which was $150 when it first came out, but I got it for the cheap ink (the C62 and cheaper models have cartridges that hold half as much ink, but sell for the same price).
First problem was that the head was crap to begin with. You have to hit the cleaning button after every 3 pages, or you'll get random drops of ink on the pages.
When I ran out of ink, I went to the local Staples and got some new ones. Put them in, and they didn't work. I messed around with all the options for a few days, then called Epson support. They checked the numbers, and said they were the wrong cartridges. After a couple more days, I returned to Staples, got the right cartridges, and installed them the next day. Too late, the ink was dried, and no cleaner in the world would remove it.
The warranty was over, so I have a $150 door stop, reminding me just how incredibly crappy Epson products have become.
I've looked around at other printers, but HP inkjets have incredibly expensive ink, and Canon has no interest at all in releasing drivers or just specs for their printers, so no Canon printers for anything but Windows.
After not finding any inkjet printers with reasonable ink prices that would work, I gave up. Haven't printed *anything* in a couple years now...
I even went as far as checking out solid ink/wax Xerox/Tektronics printers, but I generally don't like my printouts to be destroyed by any scratching. Not to mention the prices.
Laser printers are the only option, and at this point, color is too expensive for home use. I'll probably get a B&W laser printer again, but not soon. Color printing costs so much you need to do it in significant volumes to make it reasonably priced. Stick with Kinkos and the like, even for one-off prints.
Boot cds are wonderful, but many times older equipment (the stuff that fails that I'm being asked to troubleshoot) just cannot handle them;
Then you make yourself exactly one boot floppy... Use something like Syslinux on a floppy, that will give you a menu, and allow you to chose to boot from CD, the second floppy, any hard drive, etc., without needing BIOS support.
No, what you don't understand is why someone would want an LCD projector. Whether it's homebrew or commercial, the picture quality will be basically the same. In fact, because of the larger form-factor of most home-brew projectors, you have the possibility of using a much, much higher-res LCD panel for your projector.
I bought mine on ebay for 600 dollars, and it has a remote control, will mount to the ceiling, and does NOT sound like a vacuum cleaner.
The noise can be easily fixed by replacing the fan.
The main issue that concerns me was addressed in the article. Commercial projectors tend to use very expensive bulbs, for no good reason. Your $600 projector may have a bulb that will need to be replaced several times a year, which costs $100+ each time...
Point me to a $600 projector that uses a $10 bulb... Haven't seen them yet.
No, you cited why you believe AMD wouldn't have the same problems as IBM.
...and you didn't bother to argue the issue at all.
There's little I hate more than the imperical "I'm right, you're wrong." After all, most of the times I hear it, it's from someone that doesn't know what they are talking about.
You can't make a EV that Has all the safety items the Gov wants, does highway speeds, gets 100 miles a charge and cost under 30g.
Are you paying attention? Those were the specs for the GM EV1 and the Ford Th!nk. The problem is, they weren't willing to sell them, crushing them instead.
But if you say it can't be done, we must all have been imaging those cars. You clearly know lots about the subject...
This is why I ignore everyone with a UID above 800,000...
they didn't know how they would proform in the long run and as you know in Ca. people love to sue big.
Okay, then sell them in Arizona and Nevada (the two other states where the EV1 was released).
It's a pretty ridiculous claim to make, anyhow. The electric cars surely had far more testing than any others, and were released to the public for years anyhow. The fact that they didn't make more indicates there wasn't any problem with the first ones. There is NOTHING about electric that makes it harder to make a safe car, so give up the anti-electric ranting already.
Why would Apple go through all the sturm and drang of switching processors, and place themselves back in the very same mess they have with IBM?
Did you even bother to read past my FIRST SENTENCE? I just explained why AMD would not have supply problems like IBM.
and backing the underdog didn't make business sense.
They aren't buying stock, they are paying for a product. If AMD can provide a better product for less money, there's no reason not to go with them.
Besides, the switch from PPC to x86 is the big one. Once you're there, it's only a matter of a different motherboard to switch between different x86 processors, and that has to be done every time Intel comes out with a new CPU anyhow.
Keep your fingers crossed. My whole point was that these B-movies just might end up being decent. We'll have to wait and see, but the idea is still a good one.
Of course I don't have one, the car companies have NEVER SOLD THEM. They leased them in small numbers, even though thousands of people were requesting them. When the lease period was over, instead of allowing their owners to buy them outright, they (GM/Ford) decided to have them all crushed. In fact there were major petitions to convince GM/Ford to sell their current stock, rather than crushing them.
Tell me where I can find an electric car, $30,000 or less, that gets a 100 mile range (like the EV1/Th!nk), and I'll buy one. In fact, I bet thousands upon thousands of people would buy them. Unfortunately, all I've been able to find are poorly done mods, that only get about 30 miles.
AMD makes some better desktop offerings, has some better prices, but doesn't have Intel's product range, especially in laptops.
Nonsense. AMD has some extremely low-power processors that happen to be much faster than anything Intel makes, while still being cheaper.
AMD doesn't have a seperate line for their mobile chips, but Intel won't either as soon as they adapt their Pentium Ms into their desktop/server lines, which they are currently working on.
No one makes anything as good as the Pentium M for laptops. Not AMD.
No, AMD just makes processors that are better than the Pentium M for laptops. 64-bit, faster, just as low-power, cheaper, etc.
One thing that Apple knows they're going to get from Intel, is reliable supply of all the CPUs they can use.
Okay, then why didn't they sign a contract with AMD?
Brand new second fab opening... Agreements with a 3rd party to produce cores when needed, etc.
I'm no tin-foil hat type, but the timing of Apples switch to Intel, and AMD's antitrust lawsuit against Intel for their incentive programs (and the like) sure does seem suspicious.
When the manufacturer of your car releases an updated version, do you equally get upset?
If I found out my car company had brakes that could stop my car 10Xs faster, or an engine that could get 4X the fuel-mileage, that doesn't cost any more than the crap they gave me, I'd be very angry.
Similarly, people who buy DVDs, expect that there isn't going to be a better one comming along soon. They expect that if there's any extra content available (deleted scenes, interviews, etc) it will be included on the DVD they bought. Finding out that you were sold crap, and the studio intentionally held-back content they had available and could have given you, tends to piss someone off.
Movies are not like cars. You can't go to a different manufacturer and get what the first one was holding back from you for their next model.
Make no mistake, I agree with your sentiments in general. However, the specifics are a different matter.
For example, can people see more detail on a 42" screen if one is 480p and the other is 720p?
Sure can. 42" is quite large, really. Not that people would think the 480p video would look like crap, but the 720p video would look much better.
The aliasing (and digital artifacts) of broadcast really bother me greatly. I believe the only real solution to those issues is going to mean having a video format that is something like double the resolution of the best display, and downsampling in intelligent ways to make it look as nice as a (perfect) analog HD signal would.
NO MORE FUKING "COPYWRITE" WARNINGS THAT CAN NOT BE FAST FORWARDED AND NO DISABLING OF THE MENU BUTTON DURING PREVIEWS!!!
Your problem is that you're willing to put up with it. Personally, I don't even use a DVD player. Setup a computer with a DVD-ROM and TV-out, and you never have to see an FBI warning again.
For those who aren't willing to do that, you can find a large number of DVD players out there have hacked firmware that disables the macrovision, forced track 0, etc.
None of my VHS tapes lock up or pixilate, they keep playing.
Well, lock-ups should not happen if the DVD-player manufacturer had designed for that. That said, VHS tapes have FAR worse artifacts than DVDs do. They wear out, the quality is very poor, they get "eaten", etc.
I almost wish the S-VHS caught on with near dvd quality.
I don't. Digital video is freeing me from the whims of electronic device makers (like Sony, Toshiba, etc) who decide that you can't record from this output. The hardest part is digitizing analog material like TV and radio. If videos were analog, it would take far longer to digitize/save/re-encode them. Not to mention the inherent issues tapes have, or the inherent issues analog has. If something analog was going to catch-on, it would have to be DVD-based LaserDiscs, and even that isn't perfect, as copies wouldn't look as good as the originals, and digitizing would be a huge hassle.
or lies like no anaolg source could have the same resolution, which it could.
The truth is that lossy digital video codecs have made DVDs (as we know them) possible. Sure, analog video could be as high-res, but they would take up much more space, meaning you'd have to swap your analog DVDs frequently.
They could do some amazing things with analog, but the whole world has been focused on developing digital for quite some time, so that's where the technological advancement is. Such compression methods for analog just haven't been developed, and they likely wouldn't rivial digital anyhow.
They canceled FarScape and Lexx, WTF? Those where good shows and they flushed them down the toliet!
Lexx was a damn good show, up until the last season (4), which was mostly quite bad.
Farscape had the same problem. They were doing good for about 4 seasons, IIRC, then it got to be nothing but a stupid love story, and went down the tubes very quickly.
Now SciFi is buying movies that I can rent for $1 at the local video stores because they are B-Movies that hardly anyone wants to see, so they got marked down.
Actually, I like SciFi B-movies. I liked the ones they used-to play on Sci-Fi late at night. B-Movies like "Hell Comes to Frogtown" are better than anything else on TV 90% of the day...
Now what they've got aren't B-movies, they're crappy AND low-budget movies. The fast few months, SciFi has been nothing but the latest low-budget "horde-of-deadly-creatures" channel, even during prime-time. Something well-written, which just happens to be low-budget, can be quite good.
You mention Lexx as a good show, but it was really quite low-budget for a TV-show from the beginning. It was the TV series equivalent of a B-movie.
It's sad what's been happening to many of the good cable channels lately. TLC used-to be very good. Discovery used-to be FAR better. SciFi (even recently) used-to be far better. etc.
There's a reason that the Li-ion Prius+ conversion has a 30 mile electric range, and the lead-acid Prius+ goes 10 miles.
They might just be using very good li-ion batteries versus poor lead acid batteries. I don't know.
About a year ago was the last time I compared, and lead-acid batteries were about 2/3rds as powerful al li-ion in the same space, and the price for lead-acid was much, much lower.
But besides that, when you are talking about cars, you actually DO want plenty of weight to it. I wouldn't ever buy a 1,000 lbs car, even if it had a 500 mile range, and was fully electric. Cars need some real weight to them, or just the force of wind gusts can lift it off the road. Aerodynamics can only do so much, cars NEED to weigh over 2,000lbs at a bare minimum, and even that might not be safe (particularly in snow).
At that rate, prices fall by half every 4 years. A Prius-equivalent battery pack of Li-ion cells would be a couple thousand bucks today, and under $1000 in 2009. That's definitely the future.
Well, I certainly hope you're right, but I wouldn't be willing to bet on it.
That's why hydrogen isn't the answer. You can put enough lithium-ion batteries into a fairly small car to get 300 miles range, and the Toshiba electrodes have cut the charging time from hours to minutes.
The prices for large lithium ion batteries are still a bit insane, and lead-acid batteries are nearly as powerful.
Why are we allowing our governments to waste money on this expensive, bulky, volatile and lossy gas?
Because car companies need an excuse as to why they aren't producing electric cars right now... When they crushed all the fully electric cars, they decided to launch a media circus over something else that wouldn't be ready for the next 20+ years, so they could claim they're trying to switch to alternative fuels, all the while producing the same old gas guzzlers, and ignoring the practical alternatives.
But whats really sick is the fact that the violent reaction against nuclear energy has in turn created a larger dependance on coal, which in turn emits far more radiation,
What's so wrong with your nice little rant there is that people aren't worried about a little atomic material leaking out. The problem is that nuclear power plants get built in the back yards of heavily populated cities, so when something goes wrong (3 mile island), a hell of a lot of people may be killed. What's really sick is that they put people's lives at risk just to save 1% of the power from transmission losses. If nuclear power plants were always built 10 miles away (downwind) from populated areas, nobody would have been that upset about 3 Mile Island, and the majority of this country's power would be nuclear by now. We can only hope the current administration, when trying to push new nuclear power plants, doesn't make the same stupid mistake.
You can easily read the GPL yourself and see what is and is not legal.
I did try ffdshow, but the size of the codec (pretty big compared to xvid)
Well of course it's big. It includes dozens of audio and video codecs, not just one like Xvid. No doubt you could build your own version of ffdshow with only MPEG-4 to save space if you wish.
That way, I can share my software, and if someone doesn't want to share they can pay for a commercial license.
It's amazing that this seems to be the majority opinion here on/. while the arguments over P2P are always about the "street performer protocol" and things of that nature. When it's yours, you want to be able to force people to pay you for it. When it's something you want, you don't want someone to be able to force you to pay for it. (I'm not refering directly to Bruce, here)
I've seen plenty of cases where a company adopted BSD-licensed software, added a lot of features onto it, and released 90% of them under the BSD license. If the code was GPL'd, they wouldn't have been able to keep their 10% secret, and so they would have done everything propritary in the first place, releasing nothing to the public.
There are also plenty of cases where companies have used BSD licensed software, and not released it back to the public, but happily donated money back to the project.
A large BSD project like FreeBSD is probably filled with several examples of both of these cases.
The idea that everyone should be required to give their changes back seems all too much like commercial software, IMHO. And people are acting like the GPL gives them some sort of freedom of speech.
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A heavy-duty AC/DC adapter would be more expensive. When you're running on 120v AC, you really should use a 120v AC bulb for many reasons.
However, there certainly ARE 120v projector bulbs that only cost $10 or so.
In my experience, car headlights don't last all that long, and they don't come close to being as bright as most projector bulbs.
No doubt Dirac is far better. VP3 is quite old now, and Theora hasn't made any significant improvements over VP3.
I think the horse to cheer for is snow. It's developing quite nicely, unlike both Dirac and Theora, which seem to be dragging on very slowly.
The whole idea of Theora is a poor one. We had an open source VP3 codec in 2001, and instead of promoting it, adding 2-pass support, etc., they spent the past several years re-writing it, and now, when the codec is looking old, they still aren't ready to release the new one, with currently no real advantages over the old one... Xiph clearly missed the boat on Theora. I'd rather use MPEG-1 at this point (also patent-free).
I bought an Epson C82, which was $150 when it first came out, but I got it for the cheap ink (the C62 and cheaper models have cartridges that hold half as much ink, but sell for the same price).
First problem was that the head was crap to begin with. You have to hit the cleaning button after every 3 pages, or you'll get random drops of ink on the pages.
When I ran out of ink, I went to the local Staples and got some new ones. Put them in, and they didn't work. I messed around with all the options for a few days, then called Epson support. They checked the numbers, and said they were the wrong cartridges. After a couple more days, I returned to Staples, got the right cartridges, and installed them the next day. Too late, the ink was dried, and no cleaner in the world would remove it.
The warranty was over, so I have a $150 door stop, reminding me just how incredibly crappy Epson products have become.
I've looked around at other printers, but HP inkjets have incredibly expensive ink, and Canon has no interest at all in releasing drivers or just specs for their printers, so no Canon printers for anything but Windows.
After not finding any inkjet printers with reasonable ink prices that would work, I gave up. Haven't printed *anything* in a couple years now...
I even went as far as checking out solid ink/wax Xerox/Tektronics printers, but I generally don't like my printouts to be destroyed by any scratching. Not to mention the prices.
Laser printers are the only option, and at this point, color is too expensive for home use. I'll probably get a B&W laser printer again, but not soon. Color printing costs so much you need to do it in significant volumes to make it reasonably priced. Stick with Kinkos and the like, even for one-off prints.
Then you make yourself exactly one boot floppy... Use something like Syslinux on a floppy, that will give you a menu, and allow you to chose to boot from CD, the second floppy, any hard drive, etc., without needing BIOS support.
No, what you don't understand is why someone would want an LCD projector. Whether it's homebrew or commercial, the picture quality will be basically the same. In fact, because of the larger form-factor of most home-brew projectors, you have the possibility of using a much, much higher-res LCD panel for your projector.
Point me to an $800 projector that can handle 1080i (1920x1080).
It's easy to replace the fan.
The noise can be easily fixed by replacing the fan.
The main issue that concerns me was addressed in the article. Commercial projectors tend to use very expensive bulbs, for no good reason. Your $600 projector may have a bulb that will need to be replaced several times a year, which costs $100+ each time...
Point me to a $600 projector that uses a $10 bulb... Haven't seen them yet.
There's little I hate more than the imperical "I'm right, you're wrong." After all, most of the times I hear it, it's from someone that doesn't know what they are talking about.
Are you paying attention? Those were the specs for the GM EV1 and the Ford Th!nk. The problem is, they weren't willing to sell them, crushing them instead.
But if you say it can't be done, we must all have been imaging those cars. You clearly know lots about the subject...
This is why I ignore everyone with a UID above 800,000...
Okay, then sell them in Arizona and Nevada (the two other states where the EV1 was released).
It's a pretty ridiculous claim to make, anyhow. The electric cars surely had far more testing than any others, and were released to the public for years anyhow. The fact that they didn't make more indicates there wasn't any problem with the first ones. There is NOTHING about electric that makes it harder to make a safe car, so give up the anti-electric ranting already.
Did you even bother to read past my FIRST SENTENCE? I just explained why AMD would not have supply problems like IBM.
They aren't buying stock, they are paying for a product. If AMD can provide a better product for less money, there's no reason not to go with them.
Besides, the switch from PPC to x86 is the big one. Once you're there, it's only a matter of a different motherboard to switch between different x86 processors, and that has to be done every time Intel comes out with a new CPU anyhow.
Keep your fingers crossed. My whole point was that these B-movies just might end up being decent. We'll have to wait and see, but the idea is still a good one.
Of course I don't have one, the car companies have NEVER SOLD THEM. They leased them in small numbers, even though thousands of people were requesting them. When the lease period was over, instead of allowing their owners to buy them outright, they (GM/Ford) decided to have them all crushed. In fact there were major petitions to convince GM/Ford to sell their current stock, rather than crushing them.
Tell me where I can find an electric car, $30,000 or less, that gets a 100 mile range (like the EV1/Th!nk), and I'll buy one. In fact, I bet thousands upon thousands of people would buy them. Unfortunately, all I've been able to find are poorly done mods, that only get about 30 miles.
Nonsense. AMD has some extremely low-power processors that happen to be much faster than anything Intel makes, while still being cheaper.
AMD doesn't have a seperate line for their mobile chips, but Intel won't either as soon as they adapt their Pentium Ms into their desktop/server lines, which they are currently working on.
No, AMD just makes processors that are better than the Pentium M for laptops. 64-bit, faster, just as low-power, cheaper, etc.
Okay, then why didn't they sign a contract with AMD?
Brand new second fab opening... Agreements with a 3rd party to produce cores when needed, etc.
I'm no tin-foil hat type, but the timing of Apples switch to Intel, and AMD's antitrust lawsuit against Intel for their incentive programs (and the like) sure does seem suspicious.
If I found out my car company had brakes that could stop my car 10Xs faster, or an engine that could get 4X the fuel-mileage, that doesn't cost any more than the crap they gave me, I'd be very angry.
Similarly, people who buy DVDs, expect that there isn't going to be a better one comming along soon. They expect that if there's any extra content available (deleted scenes, interviews, etc) it will be included on the DVD they bought. Finding out that you were sold crap, and the studio intentionally held-back content they had available and could have given you, tends to piss someone off.
Movies are not like cars. You can't go to a different manufacturer and get what the first one was holding back from you for their next model.
Sure can. 42" is quite large, really. Not that people would think the 480p video would look like crap, but the 720p video would look much better.
The aliasing (and digital artifacts) of broadcast really bother me greatly. I believe the only real solution to those issues is going to mean having a video format that is something like double the resolution of the best display, and downsampling in intelligent ways to make it look as nice as a (perfect) analog HD signal would.
Your problem is that you're willing to put up with it. Personally, I don't even use a DVD player. Setup a computer with a DVD-ROM and TV-out, and you never have to see an FBI warning again.
For those who aren't willing to do that, you can find a large number of DVD players out there have hacked firmware that disables the macrovision, forced track 0, etc.
Well, lock-ups should not happen if the DVD-player manufacturer had designed for that. That said, VHS tapes have FAR worse artifacts than DVDs do. They wear out, the quality is very poor, they get "eaten", etc.
I don't. Digital video is freeing me from the whims of electronic device makers (like Sony, Toshiba, etc) who decide that you can't record from this output. The hardest part is digitizing analog material like TV and radio. If videos were analog, it would take far longer to digitize/save/re-encode them. Not to mention the inherent issues tapes have, or the inherent issues analog has. If something analog was going to catch-on, it would have to be DVD-based LaserDiscs, and even that isn't perfect, as copies wouldn't look as good as the originals, and digitizing would be a huge hassle.
The truth is that lossy digital video codecs have made DVDs (as we know them) possible. Sure, analog video could be as high-res, but they would take up much more space, meaning you'd have to swap your analog DVDs frequently.
They could do some amazing things with analog, but the whole world has been focused on developing digital for quite some time, so that's where the technological advancement is. Such compression methods for analog just haven't been developed, and they likely wouldn't rivial digital anyhow.
Lexx was a damn good show, up until the last season (4), which was mostly quite bad.
Farscape had the same problem. They were doing good for about 4 seasons, IIRC, then it got to be nothing but a stupid love story, and went down the tubes very quickly.
Actually, I like SciFi B-movies. I liked the ones they used-to play on Sci-Fi late at night. B-Movies like "Hell Comes to Frogtown" are better than anything else on TV 90% of the day...
Now what they've got aren't B-movies, they're crappy AND low-budget movies. The fast few months, SciFi has been nothing but the latest low-budget "horde-of-deadly-creatures" channel, even during prime-time. Something well-written, which just happens to be low-budget, can be quite good.
You mention Lexx as a good show, but it was really quite low-budget for a TV-show from the beginning. It was the TV series equivalent of a B-movie.
It's sad what's been happening to many of the good cable channels lately. TLC used-to be very good. Discovery used-to be FAR better. SciFi (even recently) used-to be far better. etc.
I've gotten quite a few replies like yours.
I think the advertising blitz just has to wear off...
They might just be using very good li-ion batteries versus poor lead acid batteries. I don't know.
About a year ago was the last time I compared, and lead-acid batteries were about 2/3rds as powerful al li-ion in the same space, and the price for lead-acid was much, much lower.
But besides that, when you are talking about cars, you actually DO want plenty of weight to it. I wouldn't ever buy a 1,000 lbs car, even if it had a 500 mile range, and was fully electric. Cars need some real weight to them, or just the force of wind gusts can lift it off the road. Aerodynamics can only do so much, cars NEED to weigh over 2,000lbs at a bare minimum, and even that might not be safe (particularly in snow).
Well, I certainly hope you're right, but I wouldn't be willing to bet on it.
The prices for large lithium ion batteries are still a bit insane, and lead-acid batteries are nearly as powerful.
Because car companies need an excuse as to why they aren't producing electric cars right now... When they crushed all the fully electric cars, they decided to launch a media circus over something else that wouldn't be ready for the next 20+ years, so they could claim they're trying to switch to alternative fuels, all the while producing the same old gas guzzlers, and ignoring the practical alternatives.
What's so wrong with your nice little rant there is that people aren't worried about a little atomic material leaking out. The problem is that nuclear power plants get built in the back yards of heavily populated cities, so when something goes wrong (3 mile island), a hell of a lot of people may be killed. What's really sick is that they put people's lives at risk just to save 1% of the power from transmission losses. If nuclear power plants were always built 10 miles away (downwind) from populated areas, nobody would have been that upset about 3 Mile Island, and the majority of this country's power would be nuclear by now. We can only hope the current administration, when trying to push new nuclear power plants, doesn't make the same stupid mistake.
The big one you missed is COAL.
That's right, Bush is actually spending government money to encourage the use of coal.
You're just overly sensative. 15 years is a long time, whether you want to accept it or not. (Yes 1990 was when FRHs were introduced)
I don't know how you could have missed that. Have you had any experience with audio/video codecs at all?
Well, then he probably misunderstood how you were going to be using it. See here: http://www.xvid.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=F
You can easily read the GPL yourself and see what is and is not legal.
Well of course it's big. It includes dozens of audio and video codecs, not just one like Xvid. No doubt you could build your own version of ffdshow with only MPEG-4 to save space if you wish.
It's amazing that this seems to be the majority opinion here on
I've seen plenty of cases where a company adopted BSD-licensed software, added a lot of features onto it, and released 90% of them under the BSD license. If the code was GPL'd, they wouldn't have been able to keep their 10% secret, and so they would have done everything propritary in the first place, releasing nothing to the public.
There are also plenty of cases where companies have used BSD licensed software, and not released it back to the public, but happily donated money back to the project.
A large BSD project like FreeBSD is probably filled with several examples of both of these cases.
The idea that everyone should be required to give their changes back seems all too much like commercial software, IMHO. And people are acting like the GPL gives them some sort of freedom of speech.