Re:If Mutt is "command line" then so is Pine
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Ok.You are right. It is not command line based in the same way as,say, "more" is. As to the lack of understanding Unix-style programming.Hmm... I am not going to argue with you but there is nothing, absolutely nothing that prevents Unix software to be fully GUI based. In fact, Unix is just about only popular system which has GUI that allows users to log on remotely and still avoid command line. I am not saying that command line (or more correctly, text based)interfaces are evil. I simply cannot understand people fascination with text based intefaces - it was used for decades mainly because there was no hardware powerfull enough to allow any other interraction with the machine. Now, in my opionion, the only reason why many people use commmand line based tools is fear of change. Simple as that and furthermore, this "force" won't take you to any new frontiers. I hate to say that, but it is Microsoft creating future... they stumble, make mistakes but create new stuff - while Unix doesn't really bring anything new to the table ( I am talking about workstation world... servers is a different story.)
After years of development command line (sic)email client finally hit version 1.0 Is that news or what ??!!
Email is strictly client side application and therefore there is absolutely no reason to use command line tool. Of course, some of you will argue that GUI is bullshit and the only true way is the command line. In that case you are no different than these people from the begining of the century who first dismissed cars as an evil machine and then same madness hapened when first planes came out.
You are not the future. You are slowly dying past... that eventually will disapear.
At least they knew how to name chips... It is so much more interesting to talk about Paula,Denise etc. Certainly beats "G200 SuperTerminator" or crap like that...
What did you expect ?./ is primarly Linux zealots meeting point and consequently,hardly ever, reasonable opinion has any chance of being recognized as such. Specially, any disputes involving MS end up being heavily censored by mostly clueless moderators.
The Source is indeed very usefull but generally, it is much more effective to have valid and up to date API documentation. This is what Linux is missing most.
You mind sensless killing ?? Don't play Quake. Without this Quake is pointless. On the other hand, if you like nudity,don't play games - browse the web... hehehe
Re:So what I want to know is when my TNT works...
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That's the problem with Linux. It is very hard to create something that will have reasonable chance of running out of the box on most Linux systems out there. If this issues is not resolved, Linux will not gain popularity as the platform for serious gamers ( whatever that term means.. )
Of course he belives that. He has every right to claim that. For better or worse, MS did bring computing to the masses. Something that Unix vendors were unable to do for almost 20 years. The only reason that SUN and other workstations are getting cheaper is incredible onslaugth of afforable Intel based NT workstations. Whatever we might think, 90 % of the time it is Windows software that is being used to read,write,transfer most of the stuff on the internet ( client side , that is) To summarize, I don't see anything wrong with BG perception of reality.
Yes. That's a good question. However, possible answer might be that MS is,at this time,simply the best when it comes to this type of applications. Almost every major Office suite tries to follow GUI/usability schema developed by MS Office authors and I don't think this is is only because it is what users are expecting. Maybe, nobody at this time has anything better to offer - this is real possibility, that should at least be considered.
I have noticed KOffice reference in your sig. I don't have anything against KOffice but don't you think it is a bit amusing when people who consider MS to be the root of all evil in the industry, advocate free software that tries to be almost exact copy of MS Office...
I wonder what's so funny about it.. Microsoft is just protecting its investments. They would be stupid not to do so. This./ type mentality is getting a bit old. Anything, even remotely embarasing happens to MS,it imidiately ends up as a story. If this is a news for geeks and MS topic is making up almost half of all stories then why you don't all just dump Linux and go back to Windows machines. You will get to deal with Microsoft stuff all the time...
What is Linux ?? It is 30 years old idea done difrently. That's all it is. It is trying to imitate branded Unix and , for God's sake, it isn't even as good as things like Solaris or HP Unix. It is not. There is nothing revolutionary about Linux OS. What is new is the way it is being developed. That's all that matters here. If Open Source fails, Linux won't matter anymore because there is nothing inovative about Linux OS. Most of the time it simply tries to catch up with commercial offerings. I have yet to see single innovative technical idea come from Linux. Don't look at this as a flamebait, stop for a second and think about what I just wrote...
Good for you guys. I still wouldn't move to Holland or practically any other place in Europe with possible exeption of GB or Switzerland. It is nice and dandy now there but who knows when 1940s will repeat all over again.
CW is targeted at people who prefer IDEs and Debian is not the distribution one would expect find a lot of people fitting this profile. In my opinion, typical Debian users will never replace his favored vi or Emacs enviroment no matter what.
This system was deliberately designed to prevent corruption. It deals with this problem in very unique way. You are allowed to "currupt" politician as long as it is public knowledge.
I have tried Debian and as far as installation, it is simply Linux so there were no problems there.The only thing that pissed me off real bad was dselect. It is probably on of the most confusing tools ever created... I gave up trying to install couple of packages.
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Ok.You are right. It is not command line based in the same way as ,say, "more" is. ... I am not going to argue with you but there is nothing, absolutely nothing that prevents Unix software to be fully GUI based. In fact, Unix is just about only popular system which has GUI that allows users to log on remotely and still avoid command line. I am not saying that command line (or more correctly, text based)interfaces are evil. I simply cannot understand people fascination with text based intefaces - it was used for decades mainly because there was no hardware powerfull enough to allow any other interraction with the machine. Now, in my opionion, the only reason why many people use commmand line based tools is fear of change. Simple as that and furthermore, this "force" won't take you to any new frontiers. ... they stumble, make mistakes but create new stuff - while Unix doesn't really bring anything new to the table ( I am talking about workstation world ... servers is a different story.)
As to the lack of understanding Unix-style programming.Hmm
I hate to say that, but it is Microsoft creating future
After years of development command line (sic)email client finally hit version 1.0
Is that news or what ??!!
Email is strictly client side application and therefore there is absolutely no reason to use command line tool. Of course, some of you will argue that GUI is bullshit and the only true way is the command line. In that case you are no different than these people from the begining of the century who first dismissed cars as an evil machine and then same madness hapened when first planes came out.
You are not the future. You are slowly dying past... that eventually will disapear.
You are wrong. "doc" is not a secret - you can get the specs from MS site.
At least they knew how to name chips ... ...
It is so much more interesting to talk about Paula,Denise etc. Certainly beats "G200 SuperTerminator" or crap like that
He,hehe ..
I like you.
Unfurtunately, I am almost "dashingly handsome"
and since you seem not to care about this, I will stop here...
:-)
What did you expect ? ./ is primarly Linux zealots meeting point and consequently,hardly ever, reasonable opinion has any chance of being recognized as such. Specially, any disputes involving MS end up being heavily censored by mostly clueless moderators.
I think this post should be moderated way up.
It deserves that.
Yes, I would assume this term is popular among tree-huggers and related crowd.
What's XMAME ?
I wonder if they are goin to move the site to StoryServer as they did with others.
The Source is indeed very usefull but generally, it is much more effective to have valid and up to date API documentation. This is what Linux is missing most.
There is nothing undocumented about COM,OLE etc...
Check your facts. In fact, there is much more "undocumented" stuff on Linux then it is on Windows.
You mind sensless killing ?? Don't play Quake. Without this Quake is pointless. ...
On the other hand, if you like nudity,don't play games - browse the web
hehehe
That's the problem with Linux. It is very hard to create something that will have reasonable chance of running out of the box on most Linux systems out there. If this issues is not resolved, Linux will not gain popularity as the platform for serious gamers ( whatever that term means .. )
I seem to unable to see any comments to stories ?? What's up with that ?
Of course he belives that. He has every right to claim that. For better or worse, MS did bring computing to the masses. Something that Unix vendors were unable to do for almost 20 years.
The only reason that SUN and other workstations are getting cheaper is incredible onslaugth of afforable Intel based NT workstations.
Whatever we might think, 90 % of the time it is Windows software that is being used to read,write,transfer most of the stuff on the internet ( client side , that is)
To summarize, I don't see anything wrong with BG perception of reality.
Yes. That's a good question. However, possible answer might be that MS is ,at this time,simply the best when it comes to this type of applications. Almost every major Office suite tries to follow GUI/usability schema developed by MS Office authors and I don't think this is is only because it is what users are expecting.
Maybe, nobody at this time has anything better to offer - this is real possibility, that should at least be considered.
I have noticed KOffice reference in your sig. ...
I don't have anything against KOffice but don't you think it is a bit amusing when people who consider MS to be the root of all evil in the industry, advocate free software that tries to be almost exact copy of MS Office
Propaganda ?
Heh, it is now considered propaganda to educate people about law ?
It is still illegal to pirate software, isn't ?
I wonder what's so funny about it .. ./ type mentality is getting a bit old.
Microsoft is just protecting its investments.
They would be stupid not to do so. This
Anything, even remotely embarasing happens to MS,it imidiately ends up as a story. If this is a news for geeks and MS topic is making up almost half of all stories then why you don't all just dump Linux and go back to Windows machines. You will get to deal with Microsoft stuff all the time...
Lets step back and think !!!
What is Linux ??
It is 30 years old idea done difrently. That's all it is. It is trying to imitate branded Unix and , for God's sake, it isn't even as good as things like Solaris or HP Unix. It is not.
There is nothing revolutionary about Linux OS. What is new is the way it is being developed. That's all that matters here.
If Open Source fails, Linux won't matter anymore because there is nothing inovative about Linux OS.
Most of the time it simply tries to catch up with commercial offerings. I have yet to see single innovative technical idea come from Linux.
Don't look at this as a flamebait, stop for a second and think about what I just wrote...
Good for you guys.
I still wouldn't move to Holland or practically any other place in Europe with possible exeption of GB or Switzerland.
It is nice and dandy now there but who knows when 1940s will repeat all over again.
CW is targeted at people who prefer IDEs and Debian is not the distribution one would expect find a lot of people fitting this profile.
In my opinion, typical Debian users will never replace his favored vi or Emacs enviroment no matter what.
This system was deliberately designed to prevent corruption. It deals with this problem in very unique way. You are allowed to "currupt" politician as long as it is public knowledge.
I have tried Debian and as far as installation, it is simply Linux so there were no problems there.The only thing that pissed me off real bad was dselect. It is probably on of the most confusing tools ever created ... I gave up trying to install couple of packages.