Mod parent up. This is a ~complete non-story~. Same thing happened to me a few years ago with my old and tatty passport. They routinely do this for damaged passports (for various reasons, the primary one being they don't go through the auto passport readers so well). They'll also do this for passports with 6 months validity on them when you enter (most countries do this). The only 'unusual' thing here is that it happened to someone in the public spotlight.
The TFA also includes a massive non-sequitur, mentioning an unrelated case (that was dropped by the AFP) that has nothing whatsoever to do with the passport issue. I doubt the immigration officer concerned even knew who he was.
Can't believe this actually made the Slashdot front page.
But the Government has a clear mandate here, and now that SA has a new Attorney-General (one who is on record as being a proponent of harmonising game rating with film/tv/book ratings), I think this will actually happen. Might be another year or two (the legislative process is pretty slow) but it will happen.
The govt. does have a point though. If you have a consultation where one 'side' spams you up with 50,000 individual submissions, but the other 'side' consolidates their arguments into a few submissions, it is important not to let the former drown out the latter. It's not a vote - the Government will consider all the viewpoints and their own constitutional obligations re responsible government, and come to a reasoned conclusion. I'm still pretty confident that conclusion will be pro-R18+ rating for games though. It has pretty overwhelming support.
Makes sense to me. America is in a huge economic hole and desperately needs money pumped into infrastructure, health, job creation and other areas of government. America spends more on the military than other developed countries combined, so even a slight reduction in this should reap rewards in other areas. And if the US is smart about how it cuts spending, it does not even mean the military need become weaker as a result. Spend smarter, not 'harder', I guess you could say.
Yes on behalf of Australia I would like to apologise for releasing Murdoch on the world. If it's any consolation he dominates our media as much as he does in the US/UK...
Perhaps not in the traditional way of thinking, but I would dare say employees in the US (at the low end of the jobs market) are far more 'servants' of their employers than in other countries.
In the US you get very little (one or two weeks) annual leave, minimum wages starting in the single digits ($/hr), and health care tied to your employer. I was actually shocked when I learned how little some people in America made (and that some jobs are actually exempt from minimum wage, hence the culture of tipping certain professions in the US).
In my country (which FWIW is Australia but has much the same employment laws as the UK/Europe) the minimum wage is >$14/hour, there is a legal minimum of 4 weeks annual leave (and some enjoy 5 or 6 weeks) and although private health insurance does exist, it's completely unrelated to your employment status and even if you didn't have it, there's a free universal health system there as a safety net.
So OK, the US is the land of the free - technically people ~can~ choose to quit their job at any time they want. But freedom in the US also extends to the freedom of companies to make a lot of money while treating their employees comparatively poorly. And those employees (for health or other reasons) sometimes don't really have a choice to leave. Life as a unskilled/minimum wage employee in the US is more 'servant like' than in most other (developed) countries, I would say.
Not to say I'm actually saying they are servants - that would be pure hyperbole. But I honestly don't think you can say that 'master/servant' thinking is less prevalent in the US than other places...
Seriously? The Westminster system (as practiced in the UK, Canada, Australia, NZ etc.) has its flaws (no democratic system is perfect), but it is no more 'backward' than the US system. In fact, it's actually better in terms of proportional representation and encouraging third and fourth parties than the US system. It also is less susceptible to the "he who has most campaign funding, wins" syndrome that you see in the US (elections in Commonwealth countries genuinely ARE less driven by money and corporate sponsors than in the US).
Personally I like the fact that so much in the Westminster system is left to protocol and convention, rather than hard coded in a written law. Under the Westminster system, governments are instead simply bound to the overarching principle of responsible government, which prevents the 'clever' manipulations of legal holes you might find in hard coded constitutional principles.
I know you're posting in jest:) But just so someone can "whoosh" me:
I'm pretty sure paddock is not slang: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paddock - it may have a somewhat different meaning in Australia but it's a standard English word nonetheless.
It is rather funny actually how well Fosters is known outside of Australia, whereas it's virtually nowhere to be seen within Australia. That 'export quality' tag on the cans is Australia's biggest in-joke...
Hehe you can tell sometimes too. Sometimes you hear a cameraman or production person off-camera speaking and they have an Australian accent. Not that Australians are that rare in California, but there seems to be quite a few 'expert people' that they interview/go and get parts from/etc that are Australian too from what I've noticed...
This is not the only one obviously, but it's a fairly important one, since it is in charge of communications with all deep space vehicles (Mars Rovers, Pioneers, Voyagers, New Horizons etc) for the period of the day when the other side of the world is pointing the wrong way;)
NASA has plenty of bases/facilities in Australia. Is this really surprising considering Australia is well-placed for this kind of activity and is one of the US' closest allies (and by far the most significant ally in the southern hemisphere)? Actually there's a large NASA facility not more than 30 minutes drive from my house (in Australia) and it's quite an interesting place to visit:) Has a nice big sign at the entrance with several US and Australian flags flying together.
Tidbit: the original footage of Neil Armstrong taking his first steps on the moon were received by an Australian tracking station (jointly operated with NASA) then beamed back live to the US? (Not that there was any particular reason for this other than Australia being in the correct position 'facing' the moon at the time). Sadly the site has been leveled now and only the concrete foundations remain - such a shame considering there wouldn't be a person alive not familiar with the signal received at that place.
Just pick up a pre-paid 3G modem from Vodafone or Virgin or someone. Much easier than trying to wrestle with your hotel options. And quite inexpensive too, plans can start from less than $20 a month (although you will have a download limit so no torrenting!).
Can you recommend a good US one? In most countries it seems you can easily just walk up to a shopfront, buy a pre-paid SIM, pop it in your phone and off you go.
But I travel to the US quite a bit and have yet to find anything like that in the US. They all want to sell you actual phone+plan bundles. What's more the phones are all network-locked! They won't just sell you a SIM that you whack in your phone like you can do in 3 minutes in most other countries.
Someone once told me T-Mobile had a prepaid SIM-only deal with some included data but I seriously haven't been able to find it... plus T-Mobile has terrible coverage in the area I travel to most often (upper midwest).
You're right. And to go one step further, the concept of 'domestic roaming' doesn't exist in most countries anyway. A LOT of business travel is still domestic, especially in large countries like the US, Australia etc. Therefore I don't think the "hotel guests don't want to use 3G cause it's expensive" argument holds that much water.
I think the idea of 'domestic roaming' (for data or voice) is mostly a US thing where you have quite a few smallish/local operators. Every other country I've been to, phone providers normally cover the whole country. (Similarly the idea of 'long distance home phone service' as a service you purchase in addition to/separately from a local call service is also, AFAIK, an American thing... elsewhere a phone company just connects you and that phone can call any number on the planet, although you may obviously still be charged differently depending on the distance of the call.).
International data roaming OTOH is as you say a racket. And a danger to unwary travellers, especially if your device likes to do a lot of random 'background' tasks that just use a few bytes here and there, but the roaming provider has something like "100 kB minimum session charge". That can rack up to thousands of bucks very easily. Turn off your 3G data completely when travelling people!
That's nothing. I do a lot of business travel and it seems most of the 'nice' hotels charge absolutely massive amounts, especially outside North America. The US/Canada are good - most hotels have free WiFi and those that require payment are usually $10/day or less.
But I've paid over $25/day at the Intercontinental in Wellington, New Zealand and over $30/day at a 4-star hotel in Singapore. I mean this is ~Singapore~ we are talking about where the entire city is covered by dirt-cheap, lightning fast broadband. It's a tiny island with excellent infrastructure. So it's not like you can attribute this to the cost of delivering the connection. Of course, Singapore has free WiFi virtually everywhere at street level, but it wasn't usable up on the 20th floor unfortunately...
OTOH I've stayed in cheap little motels in Australia (which has notoriously expensive Internet costs due to their isolation, distance from the main hosts of English-language content, large area and small population) where the WiFi has been free and fast. I happily support such places with repeat business, and have let them know it.
So from what I can tell, the "good" hotels worldwide (the 4 and 5 star ones) charge through the nose because they can get away with it. Most of their guests are either wealthy (so don't really care about paying $30 a day for Internet access), or are business travellers (so a company is picking up the bill anyway).
Nah - this is Coles. That'd be one of the "big two" Australian grocery retailers, with thousands of stores nationwide. I expect that 'loss of thousands of dollars' was many, many thousands (either that or it only affected a very small number of stores for a very small time before getting fixed).
Actually I used to work at Coles (it was my first job!). Our store was the smallest one in the state but still had revenue of ~$300,000 a day...
My point was that various other countries have changed from linen/paper -> polymer currencies and managed to deal with the vending machine issue. So it can be done.
Similarly with the $1 coins. As I mentioned in my original post, Australia shifted from using $1 bills to $1 (and $2) coins during the 90s. We obviously also needed to re-design vending machines. Again - yes some work involved, but not an insurmountable problem. For a period of a few months during the transition you might occasionally find yourself at a vending machine with the 'wrong' currency type. Inconvenient, but it's only in the short term.
And regarding the second point... two months using multiple currencies sounds like a pretty short window to me, and would seem to suggest the change was relatively efficient. Besides, in this case we are not talking about changing the actual currency, just the physical format that currency takes. You could leave both old and new bills in circulation for ages if you wished and gradually phase the old ones out over several years.
Basically, I'm not saying people are against it just to be spiteful. I'm saying that, yes, there is ~some~ pain and problems involved, but many other countries went through that and in the end they proved not insurmountable.
PS. And actually, I am American... and Australian. Dual citizenship due to marriage. Spend plenty of time in both countries.
Yeah I don't buy the 'but think of the machines!' argument against changing the design of the US currency. Dozens upon dozens of other developed countries have changed currencies in the last 20 years. Australia switched from paper 100/50/20/10/5/2/1 dollar bills to polymer 100/50/20/10/5 dollar bills and $1 and $2 coins during the 90s. I don't remember any problems occurring with vending machines etc. A bunch of countries now license the Australian technology to print their own polymer money... and they too had no major problems. If you do it over a couple of years and just let banks take the 'old' bills out of circulation when they get them, the transition is easy.
Not to mention half of Europe which not only changed currency designs, but the actual currency (to the Euro) virtually overnight.
Every time I visit the US I remember anew how much the USD bills suck. All the same size. All the same colour. Which means if you have a wad of them in your wallet you have to flick through them looking at the numbers to find the denomination you need. Not to mention the general flimsiness of how they feel (and it also seems they are extremely dirty!). Your coins are fine... but the bills drive foreigners who aren't used to them insane.
Actually the whole situation is analogous to the common arguments against America switching to metric that you hear - "but we'll have to re-engineer machines, we'll have to re-make road signs, we'll have to change our computer systems". That's all true... but other countries didn't seem to have any major disruptions when they did this (including other developed, industralised countries). So I'm pretty sure the US could manage it, with its huge economic resources and can-do attitude towards things (in general!).
I live about ~3km from my exchange (in Australia), which unfortunately reduces my 24 Mbps (max) ADSL2+ service to 6.2 Mbit (without interleaving) or 7.7 Mbit (with interleaving). Any technology that can squeeze a bit more out of my old rusty copper wire sounds nice to me, at least until the national broadband network (fibre) gets rolled out in 3-4 more years.
Having said that I have a funny suspicion this won't help anyone stuck on a longer line (i.e. any line that wouldn't really support VDSL now). The move from ADSL1 to ADSL2 and ADSL2+ improved the 'max' speed of the service for those close to the exchange, but any xDSL technology seems to hit a certain distance where that benefit is lost.
This graph shows this nicely - ADSL2+ (in green) is way faster than ADSL1 (blue) for shorter/less attenuated lines. But beyond around 4km, it offers virtually no improvement at all. And I suspect the laws of physics are at play here such that this new VDSL variant wouldn't be any different.
Yeah so did I. Most people would think the joke was related to the UK's summers being, well, not very warm on average... rather than simply not having visited the UK.
Sounds coincidental. I've had 'disable ads' checked for years and I seem to perpetually have mod points. I really should actually use some of them a bit more... but I like posting in most threads!
Although if we are comparing that to the iPad option, it's still not really a selling point, as you'd be pretty unlikely to leave a nice shiny toy like an iPad sitting unattended in a car. I mean you don't leave your phone or wallet or other valuables in there do you?
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Mod parent up. This is a ~complete non-story~. Same thing happened to me a few years ago with my old and tatty passport. They routinely do this for damaged passports (for various reasons, the primary one being they don't go through the auto passport readers so well). They'll also do this for passports with 6 months validity on them when you enter (most countries do this). The only 'unusual' thing here is that it happened to someone in the public spotlight.
The TFA also includes a massive non-sequitur, mentioning an unrelated case (that was dropped by the AFP) that has nothing whatsoever to do with the passport issue. I doubt the immigration officer concerned even knew who he was.
Can't believe this actually made the Slashdot front page.
On what planet is 'anticompetitive' a noun? O.o
...this just delays it a bit.
But the Government has a clear mandate here, and now that SA has a new Attorney-General (one who is on record as being a proponent of harmonising game rating with film/tv/book ratings), I think this will actually happen. Might be another year or two (the legislative process is pretty slow) but it will happen.
The govt. does have a point though. If you have a consultation where one 'side' spams you up with 50,000 individual submissions, but the other 'side' consolidates their arguments into a few submissions, it is important not to let the former drown out the latter. It's not a vote - the Government will consider all the viewpoints and their own constitutional obligations re responsible government, and come to a reasoned conclusion. I'm still pretty confident that conclusion will be pro-R18+ rating for games though. It has pretty overwhelming support.
Makes sense to me. America is in a huge economic hole and desperately needs money pumped into infrastructure, health, job creation and other areas of government. America spends more on the military than other developed countries combined, so even a slight reduction in this should reap rewards in other areas. And if the US is smart about how it cuts spending, it does not even mean the military need become weaker as a result. Spend smarter, not 'harder', I guess you could say.
Yes on behalf of Australia I would like to apologise for releasing Murdoch on the world. If it's any consolation he dominates our media as much as he does in the US/UK...
Perhaps not in the traditional way of thinking, but I would dare say employees in the US (at the low end of the jobs market) are far more 'servants' of their employers than in other countries.
In the US you get very little (one or two weeks) annual leave, minimum wages starting in the single digits ($/hr), and health care tied to your employer. I was actually shocked when I learned how little some people in America made (and that some jobs are actually exempt from minimum wage, hence the culture of tipping certain professions in the US).
In my country (which FWIW is Australia but has much the same employment laws as the UK/Europe) the minimum wage is >$14/hour, there is a legal minimum of 4 weeks annual leave (and some enjoy 5 or 6 weeks) and although private health insurance does exist, it's completely unrelated to your employment status and even if you didn't have it, there's a free universal health system there as a safety net.
So OK, the US is the land of the free - technically people ~can~ choose to quit their job at any time they want. But freedom in the US also extends to the freedom of companies to make a lot of money while treating their employees comparatively poorly. And those employees (for health or other reasons) sometimes don't really have a choice to leave. Life as a unskilled/minimum wage employee in the US is more 'servant like' than in most other (developed) countries, I would say.
Not to say I'm actually saying they are servants - that would be pure hyperbole. But I honestly don't think you can say that 'master/servant' thinking is less prevalent in the US than other places...
Seriously? The Westminster system (as practiced in the UK, Canada, Australia, NZ etc.) has its flaws (no democratic system is perfect), but it is no more 'backward' than the US system. In fact, it's actually better in terms of proportional representation and encouraging third and fourth parties than the US system. It also is less susceptible to the "he who has most campaign funding, wins" syndrome that you see in the US (elections in Commonwealth countries genuinely ARE less driven by money and corporate sponsors than in the US).
Personally I like the fact that so much in the Westminster system is left to protocol and convention, rather than hard coded in a written law. Under the Westminster system, governments are instead simply bound to the overarching principle of responsible government, which prevents the 'clever' manipulations of legal holes you might find in hard coded constitutional principles.
I know you're posting in jest :) But just so someone can "whoosh" me:
I'm pretty sure paddock is not slang: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paddock - it may have a somewhat different meaning in Australia but it's a standard English word nonetheless.
And I'm pretty sure most people would also be familiar with Uluru: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uluru
It is rather funny actually how well Fosters is known outside of Australia, whereas it's virtually nowhere to be seen within Australia. That 'export quality' tag on the cans is Australia's biggest in-joke...
Hehe you can tell sometimes too. Sometimes you hear a cameraman or production person off-camera speaking and they have an Australian accent. Not that Australians are that rare in California, but there seems to be quite a few 'expert people' that they interview/go and get parts from/etc that are Australian too from what I've noticed ...
Link to the NASA complex near my house: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canberra_Deep_Space_Communication_Complex
This is not the only one obviously, but it's a fairly important one, since it is in charge of communications with all deep space vehicles (Mars Rovers, Pioneers, Voyagers, New Horizons etc) for the period of the day when the other side of the world is pointing the wrong way ;)
NASA has plenty of bases/facilities in Australia. Is this really surprising considering Australia is well-placed for this kind of activity and is one of the US' closest allies (and by far the most significant ally in the southern hemisphere)? Actually there's a large NASA facility not more than 30 minutes drive from my house (in Australia) and it's quite an interesting place to visit :) Has a nice big sign at the entrance with several US and Australian flags flying together.
Tidbit: the original footage of Neil Armstrong taking his first steps on the moon were received by an Australian tracking station (jointly operated with NASA) then beamed back live to the US? (Not that there was any particular reason for this other than Australia being in the correct position 'facing' the moon at the time). Sadly the site has been leveled now and only the concrete foundations remain - such a shame considering there wouldn't be a person alive not familiar with the signal received at that place.
Just pick up a pre-paid 3G modem from Vodafone or Virgin or someone. Much easier than trying to wrestle with your hotel options. And quite inexpensive too, plans can start from less than $20 a month (although you will have a download limit so no torrenting!).
Can you recommend a good US one? In most countries it seems you can easily just walk up to a shopfront, buy a pre-paid SIM, pop it in your phone and off you go.
But I travel to the US quite a bit and have yet to find anything like that in the US. They all want to sell you actual phone+plan bundles. What's more the phones are all network-locked! They won't just sell you a SIM that you whack in your phone like you can do in 3 minutes in most other countries.
Someone once told me T-Mobile had a prepaid SIM-only deal with some included data but I seriously haven't been able to find it ... plus T-Mobile has terrible coverage in the area I travel to most often (upper midwest).
You're right. And to go one step further, the concept of 'domestic roaming' doesn't exist in most countries anyway. A LOT of business travel is still domestic, especially in large countries like the US, Australia etc. Therefore I don't think the "hotel guests don't want to use 3G cause it's expensive" argument holds that much water.
I think the idea of 'domestic roaming' (for data or voice) is mostly a US thing where you have quite a few smallish/local operators. Every other country I've been to, phone providers normally cover the whole country. (Similarly the idea of 'long distance home phone service' as a service you purchase in addition to/separately from a local call service is also, AFAIK, an American thing ... elsewhere a phone company just connects you and that phone can call any number on the planet, although you may obviously still be charged differently depending on the distance of the call.).
International data roaming OTOH is as you say a racket. And a danger to unwary travellers, especially if your device likes to do a lot of random 'background' tasks that just use a few bytes here and there, but the roaming provider has something like "100 kB minimum session charge". That can rack up to thousands of bucks very easily. Turn off your 3G data completely when travelling people!
That's nothing. I do a lot of business travel and it seems most of the 'nice' hotels charge absolutely massive amounts, especially outside North America. The US/Canada are good - most hotels have free WiFi and those that require payment are usually $10/day or less.
But I've paid over $25/day at the Intercontinental in Wellington, New Zealand and over $30/day at a 4-star hotel in Singapore. I mean this is ~Singapore~ we are talking about where the entire city is covered by dirt-cheap, lightning fast broadband. It's a tiny island with excellent infrastructure. So it's not like you can attribute this to the cost of delivering the connection. Of course, Singapore has free WiFi virtually everywhere at street level, but it wasn't usable up on the 20th floor unfortunately...
OTOH I've stayed in cheap little motels in Australia (which has notoriously expensive Internet costs due to their isolation, distance from the main hosts of English-language content, large area and small population) where the WiFi has been free and fast. I happily support such places with repeat business, and have let them know it.
So from what I can tell, the "good" hotels worldwide (the 4 and 5 star ones) charge through the nose because they can get away with it. Most of their guests are either wealthy (so don't really care about paying $30 a day for Internet access), or are business travellers (so a company is picking up the bill anyway).
Well same here, but they do charge you extra for a silent number...YMMV.
Nah - this is Coles. That'd be one of the "big two" Australian grocery retailers, with thousands of stores nationwide. I expect that 'loss of thousands of dollars' was many, many thousands (either that or it only affected a very small number of stores for a very small time before getting fixed).
Actually I used to work at Coles (it was my first job!). Our store was the smallest one in the state but still had revenue of ~$300,000 a day...
I wasn't trolling. :(
My point was that various other countries have changed from linen/paper -> polymer currencies and managed to deal with the vending machine issue. So it can be done.
Similarly with the $1 coins. As I mentioned in my original post, Australia shifted from using $1 bills to $1 (and $2) coins during the 90s. We obviously also needed to re-design vending machines. Again - yes some work involved, but not an insurmountable problem. For a period of a few months during the transition you might occasionally find yourself at a vending machine with the 'wrong' currency type. Inconvenient, but it's only in the short term.
And regarding the second point ... two months using multiple currencies sounds like a pretty short window to me, and would seem to suggest the change was relatively efficient. Besides, in this case we are not talking about changing the actual currency, just the physical format that currency takes. You could leave both old and new bills in circulation for ages if you wished and gradually phase the old ones out over several years.
Basically, I'm not saying people are against it just to be spiteful. I'm saying that, yes, there is ~some~ pain and problems involved, but many other countries went through that and in the end they proved not insurmountable.
PS. And actually, I am American ... and Australian. Dual citizenship due to marriage. Spend plenty of time in both countries.
You're forgetting the cost of the steel reinforcement your table is going to need with six 21" CRTs sitting on it ;) Man those things are heavy...
Yeah I don't buy the 'but think of the machines!' argument against changing the design of the US currency. Dozens upon dozens of other developed countries have changed currencies in the last 20 years. Australia switched from paper 100/50/20/10/5/2/1 dollar bills to polymer 100/50/20/10/5 dollar bills and $1 and $2 coins during the 90s. I don't remember any problems occurring with vending machines etc. A bunch of countries now license the Australian technology to print their own polymer money ... and they too had no major problems. If you do it over a couple of years and just let banks take the 'old' bills out of circulation when they get them, the transition is easy.
Not to mention half of Europe which not only changed currency designs, but the actual currency (to the Euro) virtually overnight.
Every time I visit the US I remember anew how much the USD bills suck. All the same size. All the same colour. Which means if you have a wad of them in your wallet you have to flick through them looking at the numbers to find the denomination you need. Not to mention the general flimsiness of how they feel (and it also seems they are extremely dirty!). Your coins are fine ... but the bills drive foreigners who aren't used to them insane.
Actually the whole situation is analogous to the common arguments against America switching to metric that you hear - "but we'll have to re-engineer machines, we'll have to re-make road signs, we'll have to change our computer systems". That's all true ... but other countries didn't seem to have any major disruptions when they did this (including other developed, industralised countries). So I'm pretty sure the US could manage it, with its huge economic resources and can-do attitude towards things (in general!).
Sounds nice for those with short lines...
I live about ~3km from my exchange (in Australia), which unfortunately reduces my 24 Mbps (max) ADSL2+ service to 6.2 Mbit (without interleaving) or 7.7 Mbit (with interleaving). Any technology that can squeeze a bit more out of my old rusty copper wire sounds nice to me, at least until the national broadband network (fibre) gets rolled out in 3-4 more years.
Having said that I have a funny suspicion this won't help anyone stuck on a longer line (i.e. any line that wouldn't really support VDSL now). The move from ADSL1 to ADSL2 and ADSL2+ improved the 'max' speed of the service for those close to the exchange, but any xDSL technology seems to hit a certain distance where that benefit is lost.
This graph shows this nicely - ADSL2+ (in green) is way faster than ADSL1 (blue) for shorter/less attenuated lines. But beyond around 4km, it offers virtually no improvement at all. And I suspect the laws of physics are at play here such that this new VDSL variant wouldn't be any different.
Yeah so did I. Most people would think the joke was related to the UK's summers being, well, not very warm on average ... rather than simply not having visited the UK.
Sounds coincidental. I've had 'disable ads' checked for years and I seem to perpetually have mod points. I really should actually use some of them a bit more ... but I like posting in most threads!
Good point.
Although if we are comparing that to the iPad option, it's still not really a selling point, as you'd be pretty unlikely to leave a nice shiny toy like an iPad sitting unattended in a car. I mean you don't leave your phone or wallet or other valuables in there do you?