Have you seen the footage of the google car? It has 360 degree vision via lasers mounted on the roof, it's gonna see that fallen tree before any human would.
Apparently it has already racked up 190,000 miles on real roads without an accident.
I like your thinking but as long as most people commute every day at pretty much the same time we are going to need one car per commuter which probably means individual ownership.
Of course America is an empire, and I do know what the word means.
You have troops in the middle east that support puppet regimes that serve your interests.
Just because you don't rule those countries directly does not mean they are not part of your empire. The British used a mixture of direct rule and puppet regimes, there is little difference in reality.
The only place you have withdrawn from recently is Saudi Arabia in 2003 pretty much in response to 9/11. You also moved your position on Palestine at the same time thus conceding the two main points made by the terrorists. This seems to have been largely overlooked by the American media as they concentrated on the Afghan war.
The troops in Saudi Arabia were moved largely to Qatar which is basically under Saudi control anyway though so it was more of a gesture concession than a real one. If Saudi Arabia was attacked you can be pretty sure they would help out.
Of course you can pretend that the Saudi government is a real government and you are helping out a friendly country for democratic freedom loving reasons if you so wish. I think that's probably what you'd argue.
I'm not necessarily saying having an empire is a bad thing by the way, but if you have one it's probably better if you acknowledge it.
Gandhi wasn't a coward but he was certainly no saint
When pressed on what the Jews should do in response to Hitler he suggested they should all commit suicide.
When his wife got ill he refused to allow her 'Western' medicine and she died. When he himself got ill he had a rethink and decided that 'Western' medicine wasn't so bad after all.
Anyone who expects you to wash their feet is probably a bit flawed imho
Pacifism is not necessarily cowardly but it isn't necessarily ethical either.
Well 223 years doesn't seem that long from an English perspective to be perfectly honest. You pretty much inherited your Free Speech laws from the British Bill of Rights of 1689 itself seen as a supplement to Maga Carta from 1215. Admitteldly the language and sentiment is more akin to the French Declaration of the Rights of Man from 1789. Your own laws are from 1791 by the way which I make out to be 220 years.
History suggests that the slippery slope you worry about actually seems to slide towards greater freedom not less by the way. Cases like this are usually the starting point for a new argument or interpretation of the laws and generally we end up strengthening our rights. I'm not entirely sure where I stand in this case, it doesn't seem to me to fall under the auspices of freedom of speech, he was basically being an anti social arsehole and upsetting people. I do worry that it could set a precedent that might be used in situations where freedom of speech really is involved but I doubt it.
Another thing that America inherited from us that they don't have in most of the world is a jury system. We tend to rely on that as a bulwark against the government abusing laws. Perhaps if you didn't have lawyer dictated jury selection, ridiculous plea bargaining that encourages the innocent to plead guilty and atrocious inhumane prisons which work people like slaves, you could rely on it too.
I'm accusing you of trivialising them because you did. Your grand parents are irrelevant.
75% of the Gestapo were in the SS. The Stasi killed very few people. You said 'the Gestapo were no where near as bad as the Stasi'.
Anyway your basic premise that the Gestapo weren't involved in the actual killings is utterly wrong. This is pulled from a random site but if you could be bothered to look around you'd find plenty of similar material.
The very first mass "action" for the annihilating of the Polish intelligentsia, the so-called "Operation AB," was conceived by Frank, approved by Hitler, and directly perpetrated by the Gestapo. It was the agents of the Gestapo who, with the aid of several SS units and under the direction of the SS and Police Chief for Poland, Obergruppenfuehrer Kruger, as well as Brigadefuehrer Strechenbach, exterminated several thousand Polish intellectuals in the execution of this savage mass operation.
In accordance with Frank's decree of 9th October, 1943, "Standgerichte" (Summary Courts) of evil fame, created "to suppress attacks on German construction in the Government General," also included agents of the Secret Police, i.e., the Gestapo.
Again it was the Gestapo in Poland which put into effect as far back as January, 1941, the terrible reprisal against the clergy which resulted in the murder of some 700 and the imprisonment of 3,000.
As is thoroughly proved by the documents submitted by the Soviet prosecution, the Gestapo established on Polish territory special mass extermination centres for the Jewish population.
In contrast to extermination camps such as Maidanek and Auschwitz, which were under the jurisdiction of the Administrative and Supply Command of the SS, the secret extermination camp in Chelmno, where over 340,000 Jews were done away with in the death vans, was both founded by and directly subordinate to the Gestapo and was known as "Sonderkommando Kulmhof."
This Gestapo Sonderkommando was under the supervision of Braunfisch, Gestapo Chief of the city of Lodz.
It was also the Gestapo which founded Treblinka, prototype of all subsequent extermination camps.
Eichmann's "Essay" for the extermination of the Jews in Europe by special extermination camps created for the purpose by Section "D" of the SS originated in the Gestapo where Eichmann worked as a direct subordinate of the Gestapo Chief Muller.
It was the Gestapo that was responsible for the annihilation of 3,200,000 Jews in Poland, 112,000 in Czechoslovakia and 65,000 in Yugoslavia.
It was the Gestapo that introduced and practised, in the occupied territories of Eastern Europe, the criminal system of hostages and the principle of collective responsibility, thus arbitrarily and constantly widening the circle of persons liable to reprisals. For instance, it was the Gestapo that, together with defendant Frank, issued the notorious decree of mass reprisals with regard to the "families of saboteurs," the decree which stated that "not only should the saboteurs seized be executed on the spot but also that all male relatives of the offenders should be shot immediately and all female relatives over 16 years of age be confined in concentration camps."
What went on in Poland does not typify the Gestapo behaviour in Poland alone, but applies in the same degree to Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia.
200,000 persons passed through the Gestapo prison in Brno, Czechoslovakia, during the period of occupation alone. Only 50,000 of these were freed, and the others were killed or sent to a lingering death in the concentration camp.
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This is complete bullshit.
China's record is pretty exemplary when it comes to international aggression. The last time they were a global superpower they build oceanic ships, took a look around and then decided they were quite happy with what they had.
Sure they've got disputes about Taiwan and Tibet but historically they have been in and out of Chinese control. Put them aside and China has to be one of the least bellicose nations on Earth.
This is coming from a Brit and we've been at war with more countries than anyone else.
I was actually being polite and genuinely assuming you had a valid point that was being misconstrued.
Now you've explained yourself a bit though you clearly are an actual arsehole.
You ever thought that once the CO2 'trapped' the heat by stopping it re-radiating, it could then pass that 'trapped' heat onto other gases in the atmosphere?
Don't know what 'Aww, so butthurt' means, but I do know you are a wanker.
Well assuming that you are not an idiot, maybe you get modded down because you're using the term 'heat capacity' in an unusual way?
I assume you are meaning that the heat capacity of the whole atmosphere is too low to ever really heat up despite the Greenhouse effect which in itself has nothing to do with heat capacity?
Maybe if you explained yourself a little more clearly you wouldn't get called an idiot.
This idea that everyone died young is completely wrong.
If you made it out of your teens you had a pretty reasonable life expectancy.
Take a look at some old English churchyards and you'll see that people lived into their 70's and 80's.
Think about it, why would people drop dead at 40? Not many 40 year olds nowadays require modern medicine to keep them alive and people's lifestyles back then were most likely healthier than now.
Why not figure out what you think about it rather than worrying about the Founding Fathers?
I'm constantly amazed about the American obsession with the constitution. It was written by some very bright blokes but they were far from perfect.
The American judicial system is basically the same as the English one except for this out of date document that allows you to have guns resulting in massive numbers of murders, suicides and fatal accidents.
Give up worrying about a document and make your own laws, or do you think a slave is a third of a person etc....
What we have here is a classic "wag the dog" where you use something completely unconnected to what you are trying to do to ram something through. Saudi terrorists attack New York? Blow up Iraq. What does one have to do with the other? Not a fucking thing except the first event was helpful in getting an agenda pushed.That is the difference my friend.
Well surely the first demonstrated that an Islamist terrorist group would happily kill as many people as they possibly could, unlike say the IRA or Basque terrorists which were seen as 'typical' in the past.
That in turn led to a reassessment of the danger levels involved in having a rogue state with access to WMD being left in pace threatening the West. Iraq would quite possibly have given such a group some WMD if they could.
You may not agree with the invasion but it definitely had a coherent logic to it.
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Have you seen the footage of the google car? It has 360 degree vision via lasers mounted on the roof, it's gonna see that fallen tree before any human would.
Apparently it has already racked up 190,000 miles on real roads without an accident.
I like your thinking but as long as most people commute every day at pretty much the same time we are going to need one car per commuter which probably means individual ownership.
We already do tax on road usage, we just do it through petrol consumption.
When exactly are the Muslims taking over? You been watching Fox news?
Of course America is an empire, and I do know what the word means.
You have troops in the middle east that support puppet regimes that serve your interests.
Just because you don't rule those countries directly does not mean they are not part of your empire. The British used a mixture of direct rule and puppet regimes, there is little difference in reality.
The only place you have withdrawn from recently is Saudi Arabia in 2003 pretty much in response to 9/11. You also moved your position on Palestine at the same time thus conceding the two main points made by the terrorists. This seems to have been largely overlooked by the American media as they concentrated on the Afghan war.
The troops in Saudi Arabia were moved largely to Qatar which is basically under Saudi control anyway though so it was more of a gesture concession than a real one. If Saudi Arabia was attacked you can be pretty sure they would help out.
Of course you can pretend that the Saudi government is a real government and you are helping out a friendly country for democratic freedom loving reasons if you so wish. I think that's probably what you'd argue.
I'm not necessarily saying having an empire is a bad thing by the way, but if you have one it's probably better if you acknowledge it.
What do you mean by saying the British invented the telescope?
We did a lot of stuff before we lost our nerve but I don't remember reading anything about that.
Gandhi wasn't a coward but he was certainly no saint
When pressed on what the Jews should do in response to Hitler he suggested they should all commit suicide.
When his wife got ill he refused to allow her 'Western' medicine and she died. When he himself got ill he had a rethink and decided that 'Western' medicine wasn't so bad after all.
Anyone who expects you to wash their feet is probably a bit flawed imho
Pacifism is not necessarily cowardly but it isn't necessarily ethical either.
You really think that the Germans would have invaded France and Russia, and undertaken the holocaust if it wasn't for Hitler?
History certainly has a momentum about it due to prevailing forces but to say that individuals don't really matter is ridiculous.
And do you think that unto such as you
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew
God gave a secret, and denied it me—
Well, well, what matters it? Believe that too.
Well 223 years doesn't seem that long from an English perspective to be perfectly honest. You pretty much inherited your Free Speech laws from the British Bill of Rights of 1689 itself seen as a supplement to Maga Carta from 1215. Admitteldly the language and sentiment is more akin to the French Declaration of the Rights of Man from 1789. Your own laws are from 1791 by the way which I make out to be 220 years.
History suggests that the slippery slope you worry about actually seems to slide towards greater freedom not less by the way. Cases like this are usually the starting point for a new argument or interpretation of the laws and generally we end up strengthening our rights. I'm not entirely sure where I stand in this case, it doesn't seem to me to fall under the auspices of freedom of speech, he was basically being an anti social arsehole and upsetting people. I do worry that it could set a precedent that might be used in situations where freedom of speech really is involved but I doubt it.
Another thing that America inherited from us that they don't have in most of the world is a jury system. We tend to rely on that as a bulwark against the government abusing laws. Perhaps if you didn't have lawyer dictated jury selection, ridiculous plea bargaining that encourages the innocent to plead guilty and atrocious inhumane prisons which work people like slaves, you could rely on it too.
Why don't you just sign up with a VPN provider for a few $ each month then?
Set up Comodo as a firewall to block utorrent unless the VPN is connected and you are good to go.
I'm accusing you of trivialising them because you did. Your grand parents are irrelevant.
75% of the Gestapo were in the SS. The Stasi killed very few people. You said 'the Gestapo were no where near as bad as the Stasi'.
Anyway your basic premise that the Gestapo weren't involved in the actual killings is utterly wrong. This is pulled from a random site but if you could be bothered to look around you'd find plenty of similar material.
The very first mass "action" for the annihilating of the Polish intelligentsia, the so-called "Operation AB," was conceived by Frank, approved by Hitler, and directly perpetrated by the Gestapo. It was the agents of the Gestapo who, with the aid of several SS units and under the direction of the SS and Police Chief for Poland, Obergruppenfuehrer Kruger, as well as Brigadefuehrer Strechenbach, exterminated several thousand Polish intellectuals in the execution of this savage mass operation.
In accordance with Frank's decree of 9th October, 1943, "Standgerichte" (Summary Courts) of evil fame, created "to suppress attacks on German construction in the Government General," also included agents of the Secret Police, i.e., the Gestapo.
Again it was the Gestapo in Poland which put into effect as far back as January, 1941, the terrible reprisal against the clergy which resulted in the murder of some 700 and the imprisonment of 3,000. As is thoroughly proved by the documents submitted by the Soviet prosecution, the Gestapo established on Polish territory special mass extermination centres for the Jewish population.
In contrast to extermination camps such as Maidanek and Auschwitz, which were under the jurisdiction of the Administrative and Supply Command of the SS, the secret extermination camp in Chelmno, where over 340,000 Jews were done away with in the death vans, was both founded by and directly subordinate to the Gestapo and was known as "Sonderkommando Kulmhof."
This Gestapo Sonderkommando was under the supervision of Braunfisch, Gestapo Chief of the city of Lodz.
It was also the Gestapo which founded Treblinka, prototype of all subsequent extermination camps.
Eichmann's "Essay" for the extermination of the Jews in Europe by special extermination camps created for the purpose by Section "D" of the SS originated in the Gestapo where Eichmann worked as a direct subordinate of the Gestapo Chief Muller.
It was the Gestapo that was responsible for the annihilation of 3,200,000 Jews in Poland, 112,000 in Czechoslovakia and 65,000 in Yugoslavia.
It was the Gestapo that introduced and practised, in the occupied territories of Eastern Europe, the criminal system of hostages and the principle of collective responsibility, thus arbitrarily and constantly widening the circle of persons liable to reprisals. For instance, it was the Gestapo that, together with defendant Frank, issued the notorious decree of mass reprisals with regard to the "families of saboteurs," the decree which stated that "not only should the saboteurs seized be executed on the spot but also that all male relatives of the offenders should be shot immediately and all female relatives over 16 years of age be confined in concentration camps."
What went on in Poland does not typify the Gestapo behaviour in Poland alone, but applies in the same degree to Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia.
200,000 persons passed through the Gestapo prison in Brno, Czechoslovakia, during the period of occupation alone. Only 50,000 of these were freed, and the others were killed or sent to a lingering death in the concentration camp.
If you're going to comment on a subject involving the deaths of millions of people can you please do a little research first?
You are insulting the dead by in any way defending the Gestapo.
The Stasi were horrible but they didn't butcher millions so how do you get that the Gestapo were nowhere near as bad as the stasi?
You'd probably want to encase it in plastic
This is complete bullshit.
China's record is pretty exemplary when it comes to international aggression. The last time they were a global superpower they build oceanic ships, took a look around and then decided they were quite happy with what they had.
Sure they've got disputes about Taiwan and Tibet but historically they have been in and out of Chinese control. Put them aside and China has to be one of the least bellicose nations on Earth.
This is coming from a Brit and we've been at war with more countries than anyone else.
I was actually being polite and genuinely assuming you had a valid point that was being misconstrued.
Now you've explained yourself a bit though you clearly are an actual arsehole.
You ever thought that once the CO2 'trapped' the heat by stopping it re-radiating, it could then pass that 'trapped' heat onto other gases in the atmosphere?
Don't know what 'Aww, so butthurt' means, but I do know you are a wanker.
Well assuming that you are not an idiot, maybe you get modded down because you're using the term 'heat capacity' in an unusual way?
I assume you are meaning that the heat capacity of the whole atmosphere is too low to ever really heat up despite the Greenhouse effect which in itself has nothing to do with heat capacity?
Maybe if you explained yourself a little more clearly you wouldn't get called an idiot.
This idea that everyone died young is completely wrong.
If you made it out of your teens you had a pretty reasonable life expectancy.
Take a look at some old English churchyards and you'll see that people lived into their 70's and 80's.
Think about it, why would people drop dead at 40? Not many 40 year olds nowadays require modern medicine to keep them alive and people's lifestyles back then were most likely healthier than now.
huddsit at gmail.com if you're not fed up already. Would be much appreciated.
huddsit at gmail please?
Could you invite me to google+ please?
Why not figure out what you think about it rather than worrying about the Founding Fathers?
I'm constantly amazed about the American obsession with the constitution. It was written by some very bright blokes but they were far from perfect.
The American judicial system is basically the same as the English one except for this out of date document that allows you to have guns resulting in massive numbers of murders, suicides and fatal accidents.
Give up worrying about a document and make your own laws, or do you think a slave is a third of a person etc....
Yeah Sorry thought I had responded to the parent to be honest.
The cold war was started because ideological claims of events that had no bearing on reality..
Err, the cold war started because Russia controlled half of Europe and had an explicit commitment to expanding their regime throughout the World.
What we have here is a classic "wag the dog" where you use something completely unconnected to what you are trying to do to ram something through. Saudi terrorists attack New York? Blow up Iraq. What does one have to do with the other? Not a fucking thing except the first event was helpful in getting an agenda pushed.That is the difference my friend.
Well surely the first demonstrated that an Islamist terrorist group would happily kill as many people as they possibly could, unlike say the IRA or Basque terrorists which were seen as 'typical' in the past.
That in turn led to a reassessment of the danger levels involved in having a rogue state with access to WMD being left in pace threatening the West. Iraq would quite possibly have given such a group some WMD if they could.
You may not agree with the invasion but it definitely had a coherent logic to it.