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New Approach For Laser Weapons

An anonymous reader writes "Laser guns and other 'directed energy weapons' have remained in sci-fi lore because of their inefficiency, bulkiness, and poor beam quality. Now an MIT Lincoln Lab spinoff called TeraDiode is developing a diode laser that uses 'wavelength beam combining' to create what it calls the brightest and most powerful laser of its kind. The two-year-old company, backed by $3 million from the U.S. Department of Defense and $4 million from venture capitalists, is working on a compact airborne laser system for planes to shoot down heat-seeking missiles. Eventually, the lasers could be mounted on a tank or ship to destroy enemy UAVs or even incoming artillery shells. That's still at least three to five years away, but with advances in semiconductor lasers there seems to be quite a renewed interest in weaponry."

188 comments

  1. okay but... by shaitand · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    But what do the sharks think of the frick'n things?

    1. Re:okay but... by halfEvilTech · · Score: 1

      I concur, we need some sort of shark head mount to be designed as well. Anything short would be a waste of resources.

    2. Re:okay but... by pz · · Score: 4, Informative

      Given the phrasing from the post, "... a compact airborne laser system for planes to shoot down heat-seeking missiles," and the links with research from a Big Technical University, a better cultural reference would be the movie Real Genius. Much better match all-told.

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    3. Re:okay but... by shaitand · · Score: 1

      pzzz buzz off

    4. Re:okay but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously people, every FUCKING time a story comes around that involves a laser the "durrr sharks" meme people come out the woodwork and get moderated up.

      slashdot is just turning into 4chan with 10 year old memes.

    5. Re:okay but... by Annirak · · Score: 1

      Popcorn!

    6. Re:okay but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They think..uhm... know they will profit big with them. Untill some nation develops reflecting balistics. But the profit was made already so, war mongers win, humanity looses.

    7. Re:okay but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The old ones are the best eh!

    8. Re:okay but... by coronaride · · Score: 1

      Ok God...let me have it!!

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    9. Re:okay but... by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      Clearly you don't understand the target demographic of this more compact system, sea bass.

    10. Re:okay but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The old ones are the best eh!

      Well then Real Genius should triumph over Austin Powers. :-)

    11. Re:okay but... by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      How does humanity lose?

      The existence of the vast majority of war weapons has deterred and stopped many more wars and saved many more lives then any war has taken. Wars are shorter now with a far lower percentage of the populations dieing then at any other time in history.

    12. Re:okay but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. That's one of the most boring comments I've ever seen regarding an otherwise amusing post. Way to spoil the joke... I'm sure you hear that a lot when you do that in person.

    13. Re:okay but... by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      "just turning into 4chan", thanks for the old meme

    14. Re:okay but... by shaitand · · Score: 1

      In soviet russia sharks meme you!

    15. Re:okay but... by Roachie · · Score: 1

      The oldies live forever.

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    16. Re:okay but... by Roachie · · Score: 2

      Hey, we'll let the engineers worry about that.

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    17. Re:okay but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm with ya man.. war is peace!

    18. Re:okay but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the question is, could you build a beowulf cluster of soviet russian sharks with lasers?

    19. Re:okay but... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      slashdot is just turning into 4chan with 10 year old memes.

      So you'd agree with Pedobear that 10 year olds are "TOO OLD!"

      You sick bastard!

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    20. Re:okay but... by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Those memes are part of Slashdot culture and have been a hell of a lot longer than 4chan has been around.

      If you don't like the culture of frick'n laser beams on their head, beowulf cluster jokes, soviet russia jokes, nazis the thread is over now, grammar nazis, anti-grammar nazis, Improper Occums razor references, and -1 natalie portman grits comments, maybe you should move along... That shit all started with Slashdot, IRC, NNTP, and/or mailing lists.

      Now take your 4chan and get off our lawn!

    21. Re:okay but... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      But, what would Natalie Portman covered in grits think about the frick'n laser beams?

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    22. Re:okay but... by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Or less violent and deadly wars is more like peace.

  2. New ways to kill people, just what the world needs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    New ways to kill people more efficiently, just what the world needs...

  3. What about a mesh or laser shield? by elucido · · Score: 1

    I would think a shield could be created to protect against UAV's. It would be possible to just create a laser net around a certain area as a defense shield.

    How effective would it be?

    1. Re:What about a mesh or laser shield? by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      I will fail to mention that FLIR cannot see though glass...

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    2. Re:What about a mesh or laser shield? by MacGyver2210 · · Score: 1

      None of this is going to be terribly effective. All you have to do to thwart this system is coat the thing in retro-reflective paint like an industrial version of the striping on traffic cones and stuff. If the target can reflect the incoming photothermal energy instead of absorbing it, the laser no longer works as intended.

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    3. Re:What about a mesh or laser shield? by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      Reflective surfaces tend to be ineffective at the energies employed by a weaponized laser. Even if 99.99% of the energy is reflected, 0.01% is still plenty to raise the temperature of the surface, and even the most reflective surfaces tend to become dull as the temperature increases. Coating every potential target with the premium optics-grade mirrors necessary to deflect enough of the beam to avoid such heating would most likely be far more expensive than the laser you're defending against.

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    4. Re:What about a mesh or laser shield? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'd think a laser defense that could knock out incoming bombs and such would be far worse for the US than for less technological sophisticated nations. The US has become heavily dependant on guided munitions, cruise missiles, etc. If a nation such as China mastered this they could nullify the majority of our weapons and strategies.

    5. Re:What about a mesh or laser shield? by reasterling · · Score: 1

      This may indeed be true but I would certainly hate to be any where within line of site of the target if it is randomly reflecting 99.99% of the weaponized laser beam.

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    6. Re:What about a mesh or laser shield? by Crispy+Critters · · Score: 1
      Laboratory-grade surfaces are needed to reflect laboratory-grade laser intensities, like GW/m^2 cw, or much higher for brief exposures.

      What's the highest power laser you can deploy in the field? What's the tightest beam you can fire a km or so at a target after accounting for diffraction? These are not the kinds of numbers that give you instant vaporization of your target.

    7. Re:What about a mesh or laser shield? by IceNinjaNine · · Score: 1

      What's the highest power laser you can deploy in the field?

      That's classified...

    8. Re:What about a mesh or laser shield? by Radtastic · · Score: 1

      I believe the inverse-square law should give you comfort that unless you're very close, you wouldn't have much to worry about.

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    9. Re:What about a mesh or laser shield? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      IT depends on the power and wave length of the laser, and the heat properties of the material used to deflect it.

      A laser can cut through a mirror in case you were wondering. Not reflective surface will be purely reflective in all wavelengths.

    10. Re:What about a mesh or laser shield? by cavreader · · Score: 1

      China will only have this tech after they steal it from the US. Why waste their time and money on R&D when they can just get the US to do it. "heavily dependant on guided munitions, cruise missiles" A practical and effective laser weapon, and I am not necessarily talking about the one in the article would make guided munitions obsolete. A really good laser could even make ICBMs and cruise missiles obsolete as well. If the enemy can knock down your offensive cruise missiles or any other type of missile why continue building them?

    11. Re:What about a mesh or laser shield? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reflective surfaces tend to be ineffective at the energies employed by a weaponized laser. Even if 99.99% of the energy is reflected....

      Except that Retro-Reflective things reflect straight back to the source - if 99.99% of the energy arrives at the source, the source is going to be pretty well fucked!

    12. Re:What about a mesh or laser shield? by EdIII · · Score: 1

      Not to mention, more than likely, this stuff will be deployed to a desert.

      Those premium optics-grade mirrors better be coated with much better shit than you can get at your local prescription eyeglasses store. Coating each one of them with something harder than any dust particle will be quite expensive indeed.

      Of course, that just means a half billion per drone. From the state of affairs in the US the military industrial complex it gets whatever money it wants anyways......

      Let me know when they figure out how to use this to send up satellites, use it in medical diagnostics, etc. Something peaceful. At this point we just waste all of our money putting ourselves into the poor house to attack a bunch of people that really tangentially related at best to the 6 foot asshole that made one of our pretty buildings fall down.

      To the people that think I am forgetting the nearly 3,000 lives lost that day.... what do you think about the millions that have been lost since?

    13. Re:What about a mesh or laser shield? by delt0r · · Score: 1

      Smoke. What about plain old smoke. Now a smoke grenade is real cover.

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    14. Re:What about a mesh or laser shield? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reflective surfaces tend to be ineffective at the energies employed by a weaponized laser. Even if 99.99% of the energy is reflected, 0.01% is still plenty to raise the temperature of the surface, and even the most reflective surfaces tend to become dull as the temperature increases. Coating every potential target with the premium optics-grade mirrors necessary to deflect enough of the beam to avoid such heating would most likely be far more expensive than the laser you're defending against.

      Dispersion of light on fog or smokescreen, or plasma bubble? Ablation shield to be sacrificed/shedded? All you have to achieve is to intercept the beam before it hits the the target core, or just keep the heat flowing out as fast as it builds. Or, my favorite, analog of broadside duels from 18th century: fight fire with fire, overload attacker's laser by hitting its aperture with your own laser weapon. Bonus damage if you are doing it with target's resonant wavelength.

  4. Be careful... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to be nice to your research students, or next thing you know they'll fill your house with corn kernels and reprogram the laser to aim at your house and blow your roof off with popcorn.

  5. Love it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both Commercial and weapons. Hopefully, the will produce the cutter and welder for us here in America, rather than just giving the tech to China.

    1. Re:Love it by couchslug · · Score: 2

      If China gets it, I can afford the cutter and welder in the same way we afforded the computers we post on.

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    2. Re:Love it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. Once China gets it, they will create/sell it locally for a FRACTION of the price that they will sell it here. Then you will have no need to buy one since your products will already be way too costly.

  6. Obvious Much? by davegravy · · Score: 4, Funny

    They're calling it the most powerful laser of it's kind, and it's a new kind of laser...

    1. Re:Obvious Much? by Shatrat · · Score: 0

      They're making a new solid state laser which will be the most powerful solid state laser to date.
      The really high powered lasers used in industry and by the military are chemical lasers.
      It's really not that difficult to understand.

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    2. Re:Obvious Much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There you go again, assuming the internet isn't populated by self-righteous ignorant think-they-no-it-alls*.

      *What is the plural of this word? Should there be an apostrophe?

    3. Re:Obvious Much? by PPH · · Score: 1

      think-they-no-it-alls*.

      *What is the plural of this word? Should there be an apostrophe?

      Honestly, I don't no.

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    4. Re:Obvious Much? by ewertz · · Score: 0

      I'm making a new laser out of Cocoa Puffs, and it's the most powerful laser of its kind.

    5. Re:Obvious Much? by HappyPsycho · · Score: 1

      New AND Improved!!!

  7. Article two weeks ago on Navy Lasers with Boeing by gubers33 · · Score: 1

    Only Boeing's will cost a litthttp://news.slashdot.org/story/11/07/05/2033259/New-Approach-For-Laser-Weapons#le more than 22 times their 7 million and all paid by the US Government.

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  8. finally, after all these years... by e3m4n · · Score: 0

    I will finally have sharks with friggen laser beams mounted on their heads.

    1. Re:finally, after all these years... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      I will finally have sharks with friggen laser beams mounted on their heads.

      Haww haw hawww hoo hoo hooooo heee heee hee!! GIGGLE!! SNORT!!!

      Has Dreamworks approached you to write another Shrek sequel?

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    2. Re:finally, after all these years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thats not a reference to Shrek, its from Austin Powers dumbass. Maybe if you were a little older you would get pop culture references from the 20th century.

    3. Re:finally, after all these years... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Read it again.

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  9. Popcorn! by Viewsonic · · Score: 0

    Is ready!

    No seriously, listen...if there's ever anything I can do for you, or more to the point, to you, you let me know, okay?

    1. Re:Popcorn! by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Can you hammer a six-inch spike through a board with your penis?

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    2. Re:Popcorn! by Viewsonic · · Score: 1

      Not right now.

    3. Re:Popcorn! by ABadDog · · Score: 1

      A girl's got to have her standards.

    4. Re:Popcorn! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my penis IS a 6cm spike. oh wait..

    5. Re:Popcorn! by mywhitewolf · · Score: 1

      no, but i can hammer a six-inch spike through my penis with a board if that helps.

  10. Re:Article two weeks ago on Navy Lasers with Boein by gubers33 · · Score: 1

    Since somehow my post got messed up here is the other article: http://science.slashdot.org/story/11/06/21/2136203/Boeings-Enormous-Navy-Laser-Cannon

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  11. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by mr1911 · · Score: 2

    Agreed. It is much better when people are killed by the old methods instead.

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  12. Sometimes it rhymes by overshoot · · Score: 0
    With the rest of the economy in the tank, invest in tanks. And guns. And bombs, etc.

    Whatever else happens, killing people is always good business.

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    1. Re:Sometimes it rhymes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, but I think lasers in particular will always have a bright future.

  13. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by neokushan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The main focus of laser technology seems to be shooting down incoming projectiles, SAVING lives rather than killing them. Is that such a terrible thing?
    Plus, lets say for the sake of it that the laser based weapons are eventually used to kill people, what exactly is wrong with being "more efficient" about it? By "more efficient", what do you actually mean? In my mind, this means less collateral damage. I like the idea of a weapon that's powerful, yet exceptionally accurate. I like the idea of being able to pick out a target hiding in a crowd and neutralising him without toasting the person standing next to him. I also don't see that as such a terrible thing.

    War is tragic, but until we have some sort of united earth, it also seems inevitable. Rather than just building bigger bombs, I'm glad someone is investing in alternative ways of fighting those wars, ways that ultimately mean less people have to die.

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  14. becareful what you wish for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    eventually I believe that someone will figure this out. But, as amazing as this technology is... I really hope it doesnt turn out to be one of those things that we wish we could uninvent.

    1. Re:becareful what you wish for... by Amouth · · Score: 1

      i honestly can't think of anything that i wish we could "uninvent"

      I would much rather invent and learn the hard way and progress forward than to bury my head in the sand and ignore the possibilities and not further the understanding of the world.

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    2. Re:becareful what you wish for... by mywhitewolf · · Score: 1

      nuclear power would be the only contender here. but even that has brought many advances to human understanding etc that i personally am very glad we've learned how to access some of the power of an atom.

    3. Re:becareful what you wish for... by Amouth · · Score: 1

      exactly.. most people think of Atomic or bio weapons when they make the "uninvent" comment - but the truth is that the further understanding that came from them goes far beyond the horrors..

      now i'm not a fan of the end justifies the means - if there was a way to learn about the atom and other things without the horrors that happened i can't help but wish we had gone that route - but that would require a change in a fundamental way we as humans think, and i don't see that happening any time soon (research for the sake of research & knowledge - not for other motives aka war/money).

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  15. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know. We haven't had an actual, good population-culling in so long that we're starting to see the sociological problems involved in overpopulation.

    Add to that the fact that there's nowhere to send the disaffected/indigent/criminal populations. We've pretty much filled up the US and Australia haven't we?

  16. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by lpp · · Score: 1

    The main focus of laser technology seems to be shooting down incoming projectiles, SAVING lives rather than killing them. Is that such a terrible thing?

    It is when we're launching humans as projectiles at our enemies. Then even your vaunted DEFENSIVE lasers will undoubtedly be being used to KILL HUMANS.

  17. get ready for sony's yellow-ray drive by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

    only, what cutsie misspelling should they use when creating the marketing name for it?

    sigh....

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    1. Re:get ready for sony's yellow-ray drive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obvious: YellOh! (exclamation must be included in any form of citation)

  18. Wait! You mean the enemy has by Normal+Dan · · Score: 1

    UAVs or even artillery shells?

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    1. Re:Wait! You mean the enemy has by the+linux+geek · · Score: 1

      You mean the current Global War on Terror (tm) theaters are the last wars that will ever be fought by the United States? You're remarkably optimistic... or potentially just an idiot.

    2. Re:Wait! You mean the enemy has by Skywolfblue · · Score: 1

      A lot has changed in the aftermath of WW2 and the Cold War. The political climate today is such that war between superpowers is extremely unlikely/borderline impossible. I kinda see it as the US being a lone kid playing rock, paper, scissors, tank, airplane, nuclear bomb... all the while the rest of the kids in the playground have realized how silly that game was getting and moved on to better things.

    3. Re:Wait! You mean the enemy has by the+linux+geek · · Score: 1

      Of course... there have been no major symmetric conflicts between nation-states since 1991. The Yugoslav Wars, the First Chechen War, the Russia-Georgia War, the Armenia-Azerbaijan war, the Ethiopia-Eritrea war, the continuing Korean conflict, the Peru-Ecuador War, the Kargil War, and the Libya War are just fiction.

      All of the above were fought with large-scale firepower, heavy use of air forces, and heavy weapons. Meanwhile, Russia, China, both Koreas, Japan, and most of the Middle East continue a buildup of modern heavy weaponry. What world do you live in? It must be nice.

    4. Re:Wait! You mean the enemy has by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The political climate today is such that war between superpowers is extremely unlikely/borderline impossible.

      And what about tomorrow?

    5. Re:Wait! You mean the enemy has by Skywolfblue · · Score: 1

      Large Scale firepower? A couple of old soviet jets/tanks doesn't really compare to a full out war between superpowers.

      Exactly how would having laser guns suddenly have helped in any of the above mentioned wars? It's not like we need to spend billions in R&D to beat north Korea for example.

  19. Oh thank goodness... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

    Now we can kill each other better...

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not Pollyanna. I believe we need the ability to defend ourselves against the world's jerks. It's just... sometimes I really wished we could work more towards helping each other than hurting each other. It kind of wears on you after a while.

    1. Re:Oh thank goodness... by MacGyver2210 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Dude, we ARE the world's jerks.

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    2. Re:Oh thank goodness... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dude, we ARE the world's jerks.

      I think that's overly simplistic. The U.S. does lots of jerky things. But I think there's no shortage of non-U.S. jerks who would take over any land that they felt they could successfully conquer. ( China/Tibet and Russia/Georgia are two recent examples. )

    3. Re:Oh thank goodness... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shhhh, don't rock the military-industrial gravy train. Welfare is bad for individuals but good for companies.

    4. Re:Oh thank goodness... by afidel · · Score: 1

      Right now an effective anti mortar and rocket system could be saving a LOT of lives in Misurata and the other cities Ghadafi has been sieging. Heck if we could effectively stop his offense it would even save lives on his side as we wouldn't have a reason to bomb his armor columns.

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    5. Re:Oh thank goodness... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Right now an effective anti mortar and rocket system could be saving a LOT of lives in Misurata and the other cities Ghadafi has been sieging. Heck if we could effectively stop his offense it would even save lives on his side as we wouldn't have a reason to bomb his armor columns.

      I don't doubt that. But I'm just guessing that if that $7M+ could have been spent on malaria research, cancer research, water purification systems, etc., there could have been more lives saved. If Libya was at peace, that is, which goes back to my main point.

    6. Re:Oh thank goodness... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      I think that's overly simplistic.

      Well we do watch a lot of preachy sci-fi. The problem with everybody holding hands and singing songs about peace love and harmony is that the guy with stick gets his way un-challenged. Doctor Who hasn't covered that, yet.

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    7. Re:Oh thank goodness... by mywhitewolf · · Score: 1

      China and Russia are dealing with their boarders, much like the USA's military involvement in Mexico and South America.

      If china went half way around the world and took over a country like Egypt, then i guess you could consider it the same as what America did attacking Iraq.

      face it, America are the jerks of the world.

    8. Re:Oh thank goodness... by graveyhead · · Score: 1

      I think that's overly simplistic

      Pussies think everyone can get along and dicks just wanna fuck all the time without thinking it through.

      But then you got your assholes, Chuck. And all the assholes want is to shit all over everything.

      So pussies may get mad at dicks once in a while because pussies get fucked by dicks.

      But dicks also fuck assholes, Chuck.

      And if they didn't fuck the assholes, you know what you'd get?

      You'd get your dick and your pussy all covered in shit!

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    9. Re:Oh thank goodness... by quetzalblue · · Score: 1

      > USA's military involvement in Mexico and South America.

      Yup, USA is involved but shows no sign of wanting to take over. Why would it ? They're aligned with US's purpose.

      On the other hand, China invading Tibet may (or may not) be addressing territorial issues based in past history, but after Tibet is pacified and repurposed, Tibet becomes China and they can proceed to their next territorial issue.

      As for America attacking Iraq, it was purely for the oil - and that seems to have backfired somewhat so they're building some megabases there to discourage other foreign investment.

    10. Re:Oh thank goodness... by mywhitewolf · · Score: 1

      Yup, USA is involved but shows no sign of wanting to take over. Why would it ? They're aligned with US's purpose.

      Mexico and South America weren't always aligned with US's purpose.

      it appears that the difference could have more to do with the types of government and how each enforce control. (America through finance, china through oppression) but when US policy defines that countries laws, how different is it really? weather the control is gained from show of force or through paying off dictators, its still influencing and operating in someone else back yard for your own purpose at the expense of the citizens.

    11. Re:Oh thank goodness... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best ROI for anti-malaria efforts: $7M+ of DDT

    12. Re:Oh thank goodness... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, Georgia attacked Russia.

    13. Re:Oh thank goodness... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's quite amusing how you reference two of the world communist states and compare them to America.

    14. Re:Oh thank goodness... by delt0r · · Score: 1

      7M in each of these fields wouldn't make much difference. Since well they already get a lot, or already work so well. Sometimes its not a question of money.

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    15. Re:Oh thank goodness... by HappyPsycho · · Score: 1

      Its quite scary that the comparison makes sense...

    16. Re:Oh thank goodness... by HappyPsycho · · Score: 1

      It could work really well when you look at deployment instead of research. Thats allot of vaccines that would reach the people that need it. And every infection stopped potentially stops more infections, except for cancer which does not spread like the dengue, malaria, cholera, etc.

      Even if the 7 mil might not make much of a difference on the research side (I actually think it can) there are other areas where it definitely will. Haiti after the earthquake is one very simple example. I agree sometimes the only thing people will listen to is a bigger gun aimed at them but as the GP said more lives could probably be saved (although somewhere else) by putting the money into "peacetime" research.

  20. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by Moryath · · Score: 1

    Kill 'em in the air, or let 'em hit and die in a splat. Which is more inhumane?

  21. Where's the innovation? by Joshua+Fan · · Score: 1

    No where in that article did I see any new technology. Just semiconductor lasers and optical beam combining. Bit scarce on the hard numbers too.

  22. Terrorists will love it. by wealthychef · · Score: 1

    So, what's the chance this could be used by terrorists to shoot down commercial airliners?

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    1. Re:Terrorists will love it. by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I expect that they will have about the same success with this as with all the other types of weapons they've used to shoot down commercial airliners.

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  23. easy solution for artillery shells. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    Just bring back the New Jersey class and the 16 inch AP shells. I doubt that a laser would have much effect on them :)

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    1. Re:easy solution for artillery shells. by the+linux+geek · · Score: 2

      I think you mean the Iowa class, of which New Jersey was a member.

    2. Re:easy solution for artillery shells. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mean the Iowa class, of which New Jersey was a member.

      Somebody needed a lesson in proper naming of structures along with that OOP course.
      Obviously the class should be named "State."

    3. Re:easy solution for artillery shells. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mean the Iowa class, of which New Jersey was a member.

      Somebody needed a lesson in proper naming of structures along with that OOP course. Obviously the class should be named "State."

      Actually, no. Perhaps you could use "State" as the type but that would exhibit poor programming style making the class battleship specific.

    4. Re:easy solution for artillery shells. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      dang it you are right. My bad thanks.

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    5. Re:easy solution for artillery shells. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Antiship missiles, however, would be very effective.

  24. No actual information by kmac06 · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's no technical information here, just that they can now make a more powerful diode laser. More info here.

    1. Re:No actual information by toppavak · · Score: 1

      Which is still extremely useful tech, even if the weapons application turns out to be just a fruitless route to attract free money for the government if they can make smaller, cheaper, more powerful and more efficient lasers, they'll have no shortage of potential customers.

    2. Re:No actual information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is how it works: http://www.rp-photonics.com/spectral_beam_combining.html

  25. Are you sure? by overshoot · · Score: 1

    I mean, couldn't they be a flash in the pan?

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    1. Re:Are you sure? by mywhitewolf · · Score: 1

      until the future is illuminated, we won't know.

  26. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

    I don't think so. I think they just want to be able to cook giant pans of jiffy pop that they snuck into people's houses.

  27. Where's the wisdom? by gtirloni · · Score: 1

    So much intelligence capable of creating incredible things. So many problems in the world. Why waste time on fricking weapons?

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    1. Re:Where's the wisdom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So much intelligence capable of creating incredible things. So many problems in the world. Why waste time on fricking weapons?

      Because pacifism is a failed model that ignores human nature. Consider what happened when a houseful of flower power hippies met a carload of Manson family hippies. Consider what happened when a group of pacific islanders discovered and colonized a new island, became pacifists, and then were rediscovered by their own not-so-distant relatives a few generations later. Hint: Pacifism for the lose. Sad, but thats the reality that you will find outside the nice safe classroom.

      On the positive side, nothing has accelerated technological development like military research. For instance the medium through which we are now communicating which was originally developed to keep computers at the Pentagon, Cheyenne Mountain, and Strategic Air Command headquarters communicating with each other during an attack.

  28. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 1

    War generally does not really cull the human population. It occasionally does so locally or within a certain group, usually because of genocide, but the number of people who die in war is always small compared to the human population of the planet. Short of going nuclear, something like the Black death is much more effective at population culling.

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  29. We have met the enemy by overshoot · · Score: 1
    ... and he is us.

    The scary part isn't I remember reading that Pogo when it first appeared in newspapers. It's that it's just as true as it ever was.

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  30. Queue Real Genius gags by hellfire · · Score: 1

    That's great! I'll be ready with the massive popcorn pan in 5 years! I should get started soon, maybe Jordan can come over and help me, she never sleeps.

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    1. Re:Queue Real Genius gags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, by the end of the movie it was obvious what her problem was. I assume she sleeps well now.

  31. ObQuirk by overshoot · · Score: 1

    But what do the sharks think

    Objection, Your Honor! Question assumes cognitive processes not in evidence!

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  32. You Degenerate! by hellfire · · Score: 1

    Clearly you were given a great opportunity to be a Chris Knight and you turned it into a moment to be a Kent.

    From now on, stop playing with yourself :P

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    1. Re:You Degenerate! by AgentSmith · · Score: 1

      A big mirror makes a big beam!

  33. A new approach... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

    From the side?

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  34. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Agreed. It is much better when people are killed by the old methods instead.

    There are no "better" ways to kill. Only easier ways.

    I am not convinced that we need easier ways to kill.

    I wonder what the Founders would think of the NRA's position on private ownership of laser weapons, which will certainly be: "You can have my laser gun when you wrest it from my smoldering, dead hand".

    And no, I don't think the NRA's position would be any different on a handheld, semi-automatic anti-matter weapon or a handheld, semi-automatic planet killer for that matter. Nihilism is nihilism, even when it's wrapped in the flag.

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  35. They have them. by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1
  36. Haven't we seen theese before? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm pretty sure I saw a documentary about exactly this kind of defence weapons on Discovery years ago, not sure if they had a working one or if it was just in the planning face but they where close to beeing able to put them on airplanes

  37. Real Genius Not Sharks by glassware · · Score: 1

    I am sad that anything that involves lasers is automatically an Austin Powers Shark joke. Real Genius is by far the better and funnier movie. Please help endorse the correct kind of nostalgic references.

    This is clearly objectively correct and in no way affected by my bias for and love of Real Genius. I don't care that it was probably the only movie I've ever seen that included real hacking and appropriate technology references.

    Won't somebody think of the children?

    Also get off my lawn.

    1. Re:Real Genius Not Sharks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The dog was my favorite character, and by far the most punk rock. I view the whole thing with the laser as just a sideplot.

  38. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by mr1911 · · Score: 2

    I wonder what the Founders would think of the NRA's position on private ownership of laser weapons, which will certainly be: "You can have my laser gun when you wrest it from my smoldering, dead hand".

    Why would the founding fathers reject citizens owning current generation weapons? Remember, these are men that took up arms and fought for freedom against an oppressive government. Many of them owned weapons that were state of their art for the day, similar to modern day ownership of AR-15s and similar firearms. Private ownership of cannons was not uncommon either.

    The 2nd Amendment was not written to protect duck hunters.

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  39. Birds? by MikeUW · · Score: 1

    Eventually, the lasers could be mounted on a tank or ship to destroy enemy UAVs or even incoming artillery shells.

    I can see this resulting in a lot of dead birds in the future.

  40. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by wsxyz · · Score: 1

    The main focus of laser technology seems to be shooting down incoming projectiles, SAVING lives rather than killing them. Is that such a terrible thing?

    But if we have awesome solid state lasers, why not just use the laser to shoot down the planes instead of missiles?

  41. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

    There are better ways to kill. When those ways minimize or even remove collateral damage, that improves the outcome. These methods are often not easier, requiring much more training, maintenance, and sometimes cost to implement at a cost of reduction in unwanted damage.

    Depriving an enemy of the means to fight is the most basic tenet of warfare. Once gunpowder came on the scene, this got much, much messier over the years until guided weapons started getting involved. What used to take a squadron of aircraft to destroy by dropping hundreds of bombs now takes only one or two aircraft dropping one to three bombs each. What used to devastate neighborhoods whether or not it hit the target now involves significantly less collateral damage.

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  42. The Crossbow Project by fatboy · · Score: 1

    The Crossbow Project: There's no defense like a good offense.

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  43. Maritime Laser Demonstrator by TheSync · · Score: 1

    Recently the navy "disabled" (i.e. caught on fire) a small ship using a high-power solid-state laser (video here)

  44. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    New ways to kill people more efficiently, just what the world needs...

    You think you're so creative. You don't know what it's like to really create something; to create a life; to feel it growing inside you. All you know how to create is death...

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  45. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm wondering how they choose which humans to use as projectiles. That sounds suspiciously close to HUMAN SLAVERY to me!

  46. Fusion? by Dadoo · · Score: 1

    I wonder if this would make laser-ignited fusion possible...

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  47. What if... by luizd · · Score: 1

    ...someone just paint the target using silver color (or the respective reflective color for the laser)?

    1. Re:What if... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Someone always has to post a mirror/silver paint comment.

      Silver paint isn't perfectly reflective. It might mean the laser has to be a little bit more powerful, or on for a little bit longer, but you still get fried.

    2. Re:What if... by luizd · · Score: 1

      There must be some material that will reflect the laser beam. Isn't it necessary to generate the laser anyway? What about some lens shield that would use refraction with the help of some silver color? Ideally, it would be cool to see some counter-attack based on reflecting it back to source, varying a little bit around it. There must be something interesting to destroy around a laser cannon.

  48. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by Immostlyharmless · · Score: 1

    The best way to do that has been outlawed as its called an assassination. Think how many people and how much money we could have saved if over this century alone if we could have just assassinated the prick at the top? That's one thing that I've never understood. That we make assassinating a leader unlawful because of some moralistic subterfuge, like somehow its more moral to go kill several thousand, or several million people who aren't really connected to the process because we don't have the balls to shoot one other guy in the head.

    What good is building a purpose built weapon for something if we don't have the moral fiber to use the damned thing because we're stupidly conflicted about it.

  49. Laser Launch Systems? by techcodie · · Score: 1

    sorry, don't have time to RTFA or even all of the comments, but would any of these help in this circumstance?

    been waiting for 35 years for someone to get a handle on this.

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  50. hmmm by TheInternetGuy · · Score: 0

    But wont it look kind of funny when all the marines have to dress in Kylie Minogue sparkly dresses to deflect the lasers???

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    1. Re:hmmm by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      Given that lasers are plasma ablative, ordinary ceramic armors would probably be more effective, and would have the added bonus of also stopping conventional weapons.

    2. Re:hmmm by TheInternetGuy · · Score: 0

      But it won't provide the same comical effect will it now? Unless they look like original star war movie storm troupers

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    3. Re:hmmm by PPH · · Score: 2

      They canceled that "Don't ask, don't tell" policy just in time.

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  51. Counter for antiship missiles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I imagine a big part of the push for developing this technology is to have something that can be mounted on ships to counter anti-ship missiles. Specifically the kind of ballistic anti-ship missiles that China wants to perfect/deploy as deterrent against the US 7th fleet operating in what it sees as its territorial waters/sphere of influence.

  52. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by mywhitewolf · · Score: 1

    if you wanted to fight your government, you really need to invest in getting SAM hardware (which, as far as i know, is still illegal) and RPG's, rifles aren't going to be much use to the sort of war that would be waged on the citizens by the government..

  53. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by mywhitewolf · · Score: 1

    that last line almost sounded like an argument for using nuclear weapons.

  54. Is this a good time to start my company? by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 2

    I'm perfecting a new kind of mirror that's far more efficient than old mirrors...

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  55. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by shermo · · Score: 1

    Probably it's because the people who made it unlawful to kill the pricks at the top are the pricks at the top.

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  56. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    if you wanted to fight your government, you really need to invest in getting SAM hardware (which, as far as i know, is still illegal) and RPG's, rifles aren't going to be much use to the sort of war that would be waged on the citizens by the government.

    Your statement might be true if the government is distant, as in American Colonists vs George III in England. However it is untrue when the government is local, and the government officials live and work near the citizens, as in American Colonists vs George III's governors and institutions located in the colonies. Note that the American revolutionaries began by threatening the local tax collectors and such, not the king and his ministers.

    A more contemporary failing of your logic would be the Arab Spring where portions of an Army with ties to the community defect when unjustly ordered to attack that community.

  57. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by peragrin · · Score: 1

    takes to long,
    Planes have greater maneuverability,
    Planes have pilots that can pick up on such clues,

    to kill a missile you just have to burn through a mm or two of shell, and either detonate the warhead, or destroy hardware inside(a burned out guidance ship is useless.

    To kill a UAV,(slow moving over a fixed area)you simply have to burn through the again thin shell to destroy sensitive electronics or ignite the fuel supply

    To take out any fighter jet or bomber the skin suddenly becomes 2-5 times thicker, armor panels may be present, It is a larger target giving it greater heat dispersal area, It can move around a bit more again making it hard to hold onto one small space.

    will it happen, definitely. but you are limited to line of sight ranges. Which means to take out a target, you launch 3-4 missiles at it and then fly behind them. The laser shoots down the missiles, becoming vulnerable to bomb drops from the plane.

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  58. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    The 2nd Amendment was not written to protect duck hunters.

    And it was certainly not written to protect the individual ownership of handguns outside of a well-regulated militia.

    Tnat view of the law didn't even exist until the late 1970s. Did you know that? Before that, even the most conservative thinkers believed the 2nd Amendment was only to guarantee state militias. No less than Judge Robert Bork, one of the patron saints of today's Right Wing, held that belief publicly as late as the 1980s.

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  59. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    When those ways minimize or even remove collateral damage, that improves the outcome.

    I believe that the notion that wars are meant to "kill bad guys" is a delusion.

    I fear the belief that there are neat and clean ways to conduct warfare to minimize casualties on our side and the "good" people on the other side. It will lead to very bad things.

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  60. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

    Well, once missiles become untenable to use in combat, they won't be fielded as often. At that point, everyone will just be shooting lasers at one another, because it's probably the only weapon aside from bullets (with many advantages and disadvantages) that can't practically be shot down by lasers. Actually, that's pretty awesome.

    We might see stuff like the bomb equivalent of grapeshot to thwart lasers... that's a possibility, I think.

  61. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by lpp · · Score: 1

    Hopefully we do it democratically, by voting. Conveniently, we already have a reasonable quantity of individuals who have already been elected for some purpose or another by the public. I suggest, for the sake of efficiency, we just reuse the same votes.

  62. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by Zenin · · Score: 1

    Reducing collateral damage isn't actually a good thing, holistically speaking.

    For true peace, war needs to be hell, it needs to be bloody, it needs to as brutal and insane as it can be.

    When war is clean, cheap, and easy, it's employed much more indiscriminately, more frequently, and allowed to continue for much longer. War needs to be expensive, yes monetarily but also morally expensive. The images of thousands of innocent people dead and dieing is one of the last true deterrents of war. A deterrent that is already being chipped away quickly by the greatly expanded use of drones over the last couple decades.

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  63. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'I believe that the notion that wars are meant to "kill bad guys" is a delusion.'

    What do you do if bad guys try to attack you? Send good vibes and read poetry to them?

    How likely would it be for bad guys attack you if you had a poor defense? Hint: think of how often African countries are toppled by a military coup.

  64. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The 2nd Amendment was not written to protect duck hunters.

    And it was certainly not written to protect the individual ownership of handguns outside of a well-regulated militia.

    Tnat view of the law didn't even exist until the late 1970s. Did you know that? Before that, even the most conservative thinkers believed the 2nd Amendment was only to guarantee state militias. No less than Judge Robert Bork, one of the patron saints of today's Right Wing, held that belief publicly as late as the 1980s.

    ^ Absurd propaganda.

    Do people challenge your false assertions less when you ask if they knew that? It's an interesting tactic, like you are privy to some little known fact and are doing them a favor by informing them of it. After which, they have to recompute their entire worldview, which just so happens to fall towards your bias, or that of the person who informed you of it. Then they repeat it. Don't be a tool.

    "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
    - George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

    "The militia is the natural defense of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpation of power by rulers. The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of the republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally ... enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
    -- Joseph Story, Supreme Court Justice, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, p. 3:746-7, 1833

    "The right [to bear arms] is general. It may be supposed from the phraseology of this provision that the right to keep and bear arms was only guaranteed to the militia; but this would be an interpretation not warranted by the intent. The militia, as has been explained elsewhere, consists of those persons who, under the laws, are liable to the performance of military duty, and are officered and enrolled for service when called upon.... [I]f the right were limited to those enrolled, the purpose of the guarantee might be defeated altogether by the action or the neglect to act of the government it was meant to hold in check. The meaning of the provision undoubtedly is, that the people, from whom the militia must be taken, shall have the right to keep and bear arms, and they need no permission or regulation of law for the purpose. But this enables the government to have a well regulated militia; for to bear arms implies something more than mere keeping; it implies the learning to handle and use them in a way that makes those who keep them ready for their efficient use; in other words, it implies the right to meet for voluntary discipline in arms, observing in so doing the laws of public order."
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    Did you know that?!

  65. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by eexaa · · Score: 1

    Because, sir, assassination is too efficient. If you haven't noticed, common capitalist likes a full-scale war much better.

  66. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by JosKarith · · Score: 1

    Yeah. When it's just swords and axes the poor sod on the recieving end has a chance to defend themselves (however slim that might be). Plus, the person doing the killing has to watch them die.
    Some 100-lb toothpick pressing a button and killing hundreds of people who are just numbers to him is not progress.

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  67. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by JosKarith · · Score: 1

    Wars are generally two memes trying to wipe each other out by destroying the other's hosts.

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  68. "still at least three to five years away" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Five years away" is code for "we have no idea if and when it will happen.

    Wake me up when you're sorted it out.

  69. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WTF?

  70. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by rich_hudds · · Score: 1

    Why not figure out what you think about it rather than worrying about the Founding Fathers?

    I'm constantly amazed about the American obsession with the constitution. It was written by some very bright blokes but they were far from perfect.

    The American judicial system is basically the same as the English one except for this out of date document that allows you to have guns resulting in massive numbers of murders, suicides and fatal accidents.

    Give up worrying about a document and make your own laws, or do you think a slave is a third of a person etc....

  71. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by Lord+Lode · · Score: 1

    The solution against the lasers: missiles with mirrors on them!

  72. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    The mass bombing of civilians first used in World War Two was a terror technique, not the accidental result of missing prime military targets.

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  73. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    I think because Americans aren't allowed to base their laws on the Bible, they have substituted another holy document in its place.

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  74. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    Being outlawed never stopped the CIA from using assassination. It's only because of their amusing incompetence that Fidel Castro is still alive, not because the US felt morally constrained from trying to kill him.

    Also, the definition of "moral fibre" is not "being prepared to act like a psycopath".

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  75. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    I think because Americans aren't allowed to base their laws on the Bible, they have substituted another holy document in its place.

    That's a really good point and I agree. Too much reverence is given to our constitution.

    On the other hand, I believe there was a period when some very important thinkers lived. It was one of those rare times when the whole world was shifting. It's well worth paying attention to the things they said and wrote.

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  76. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    If you read those quotes instead of just copying and pasting them, you'd see that none of them contradicts my statement.

    They all suppose a "well-regulated militia" not conceal/carry.

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  77. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    What do you do if bad guys try to attack you? Send good vibes and read poetry to them?

    The last time that "bad guys attack(ed)" us and we went to war with them because of it was 1941.

    And even then there were dissenting opinions. I'm sure the Japanese would have had a different view of who the "bad guys" were.

    The notion that war is glorious and honorable is holy horse shit.

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  78. Oblig. xkcd by paperdiesel · · Score: 0

    Obligatory "Researcher Translation" xkcd.

  79. There's only one thing you can do about temptation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right now an effective anti mortar and rocket system could be saving a LOT of lives in Misurata and the other cities Ghadafi has been sieging. Heck if we could effectively stop his offense it would even save lives on his side as we wouldn't have a reason to bomb his armor columns.

    Ah, reason is never the problem, trust me. Let me guess, ... probably something cool-sounding vague phrase marketroid-from-Dilbert-gone-politician would utter, like "delivering a strong message" or "demonstrating our determination" or "reinforcing our credibility" ... it's always cock-swinging and you don't want to care about what happens to the other guy, you are not his momma, you are another, beefier kid who will kick his ass. Your public doesn't pay taxes to see PREVENTION of a perfectly good fight, it wants bloody, smoky VICTORY for its buck. You, personally, are probably above those childish and tragic games, but you are probably neither a high-ranking military commander, nor a politician. Nevertheless, you are engineered into thinking that people in charge actually give a rats ass for humanity and that is because your participation and approval is needed. Those overage hormone junkies can't invent all these cool toys themselves.

  80. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by AgentSmith · · Score: 1

    Mobile . . . said
    You think you're so creative. You don't know what it's like to really create something; to create a life; to feel it growing inside you. All you know how to create is death...

    An Anon Coward said
    WTF?

    AgentSmith
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    Pfft! Meh. Kids these days!

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  81. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by mr1911 · · Score: 1

    Go back to your research and look at the language of the day. What was a well regulated militia? The militia was all able bodied men. Well regulated meant they should provide their own functional firearm with adequate ammunition.

    Pocket pistols were not uncommon. It is absurd to believe that the founding fathers would not have considered concealed as outside of a well regulated militia.

    You can spin it all you want, but at the end of the day you will still be incorrect - just dizzier.

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  82. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes they would. The "sort of war" you're talking about would be one of occupation, and thus fought primarily by infantry. The "tank beats gun" argument that you're making is common, but relies on an understanding of warfare that is far too simplistic to have any connection with reality.

  83. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I did read the quotes. Did you?

    You said: "And it was certainly not written to protect the individual ownership of handguns outside of a well-regulated militia."

    According to George Mason and many others, the militia is "the whole people, except for a few public officials". That makes your original statement specious.

    You said: "Tnat view of the law didn't even exist until the late 1970s. Did you know that?"

    This is clearly contradicted by the quotes I provided from 1788, 1833, and 1898, though you may not comprehend it or you otherwise refuse to acknowledge it.

    "Before that, even the most conservative thinkers believed the 2nd Amendment was only to guarantee state militias."

    Only a guarantee to state militias? "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials". How do you define the militia?

    You said: "No less than Judge Robert Bork, one of the patron saints of today's Right Wing, held that belief publicly as late as the 1980s."

    Careful, your bias is showing through...

  84. Clearly works like the Death Star by LastDawnOfMan · · Score: 1

    I didn't bother to read the article, but I imagine it says a bunch of laser beams come out around a circle and then magically combine into a big beam that goes straight out from the circle. So give the credit to George Lucas' production artists.

  85. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

    There are no "better" ways to kill. Only easier ways.

    There are less painful ways to die. I know *I* would rather get shot in the head than get burned to death.

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  86. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    A better way to kill is not the same as a better way to die.

    Killing != dying

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  87. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

    If you're going to kill somebody, it's more considerate to do it in a less-painful manner. It's all a matter of what your viewpoint is. Like why bayonets were banned.

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  88. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The notion that war is glorious and honorable is holy horse shit.

    Which might be why nobody here has suggested that it is, so leave the poor strawman alone. Also, you didn't answer his question.

  89. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

    There were certainly cases of that (Tokyo, Dresden, etc.) but there were also thousands of missions that targeted oil facilities, ball bearing plants, engine and vehicle manufacturing, arms depots, and many other military targets. However, dropping an iron bomb from 15,000 feet (the low end of precision bombing outside of dive bombing) has a huge CEP measured in the hundreds of feet, and it only gets worse as altitude increases. There were many cases of a target structure being missed completely while surrounding neighborhoods were leveled.

    One of the best examples of combat use (though admittedly outside of an urban environment) of a laser-guided bomb was against a bridge in North Vietnam. Nearly 300 bombs had been dropped over numerous missions but never more than incidental damage was done for the loss of several planes and aircrew. Equipped with laser-guided bombs, a single mission wrecked one of the spans, and two more destroyed it completely. Had it been in the middle of a city, the civilian casualty count throughout that would have been far higher.

    Now we can use an aircraft in a climb to release a bomb on an arc from 30 miles away and let it guide itself into the target with a CEP of only a few dozen feet, if that large. The Air Force has been working on developing the Small Diameter Bomb, a 250-pound munition with a new explosive compound intended to destroy small targets while reducing the traditional blast radius that leads to collateral damage, the idea being that a single house or small building can be hit and, while there would be some damage to other structures, they are less likely to suffer catastrophic damage. Close air support becomes less hazardous for everyone except those in the crosshairs, so to speak. Considering the realities of fighting insurgencies, not killing everyone in the neighborhood is a benefit.

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  90. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    That sounds like something from SWAT Kats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWAT_Kats:_The_Radical_Squadron

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  91. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    If you're going to kill somebody, it's more considerate to do it in a less-painful manner.

    "Considerate"?

    I'm not sure our advanced technology has made us more humane or more considerate. Better ways to kill someone just gives us a way to rationalize our monstrous behavior toward one another.

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  92. Re:New ways to kill people, just what the world ne by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

    I.e., "You're right." Thanks.

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