I, for one, could put forward the argument that it is the responsibility of the poster to fully disclose to the public, (after first notifying the offenders and waiting a reasonable amount of time), so that those of us who are vulnerable to such a social engineering attack, can know about it and react accordingly.
What so you can wear the cost and disruption of moving to another provider that he didn't test and will probably do the same thing anyway?
Wouldn't he be better off just posting a list of providers that didn't fall for it?
Then again, either list might not be entirely useful. From just one test per provider, how do you know how common either successes or failures are for them?
Not to mention completely ignoring the largest damning piece of evidence: lack of accelerated upper atmospheric warming. All of the climate models that predict warming also predict that the upper atmosphere will warm FASTER than the lower, since that's where the gases are that are absorbing the extra energy. We warm from the top-down due to greenhouse gases (GHGs). But that's NOT HAPPENING. The data SHOWS that it is warming at EXACTLY the same rate as the lower atmosphere, which completely proves that GHGs are NOT the current warming cause.
Are you sure about that? I thought it was supposed to be the other way around.
ie (correct me if I'm wrong) During the day solar radiation of all kinds of wavelengths makes it through the atmosphere and gets absorbed by the ground/oceans etc. The ground/oceans warm up a little, and at night as they cool down release that energy back into space via the atmosphere as a narrower band of radiation (IR). It is the change from a wide spectrum to a narrow spectrum that means the absorption on the way out is different to what it was on the way in. And it just so happens that carbon dioxide and methane etc like to absorb IR so catch more energy on the way out rather than the way in.
So the main effect isn't driven so much by trapping radiation on the way in (lots of different wavelengths), but by trapping radiation on the way out (mainly IR). So the denser lower atmosphere plays a big part that case.
You're mistakenly trying to use Kerberos as an example of why BSD licenses are bad - you'll need to find other examples. Yes MS were assholes with the way the first went about implementing Kerberos and their 'embrace and extend' attitudes - but if MIT used the GPL for their implementation of Kerberos it wouldn't have changed anything as MS didn't base Active Directory off MITs code.
If you have evidence that there is MIT code in Active Directory, I'd love to see it.
But to make that a moot point anyway - if hypothetically MIT had've used the GPL for their Kerberos implementation, that would've guaranteed that MS would write their own implementation from scratch (using the RFCs) and would've done nothing to prevent MS pulling the same bullshit.
I'm fairly neutral on the whole BSD vs GPL argument, I like and use both. I just get a little bewildered at GPL advocates claiming the BSD license is harmful.
That doesn't sound like the way I understood it...
MS wrote their own proprietary Kerberos 5 implemention based on the published specifications (RFCs) - code licenses weren't part of it. A lot of random people seem to assume/claim Active Directory used MIT's codebase, but I haven't seen any concrete evidence of that. None of MITs vulnerabilities seem to ever apply to MS and vice versa - although MIT and Hiemdal sometimes share vulnerabilities. MS probably didn't want any of MITs legacy kerberos 4 code anyway.
Those published specifications allowed for extensions of the kind they made, which were extra bits for authenticating Windows PCs on Active Directory. MS Kerberos was still compatible with the specifications, and non MS software could still use an MS KDC just like they could other KDCs so it was still compatible with existing kerberos software. But it is an extension that only really Samba 4 (as it is the only thing attempting to emulate AD) would need to make use of.
Where MS were assholes is that they took so many years to document what their extensions were.
But the MIT/BSD style license on Kerberos isn't at fault for this. MS could've extended Kerberos exactly the same way even if MITs implementation was GPLed. Kerberos isn't a codebase it's a set of protocols defined by RFCs.
That kind of analysis might work when the station has the ability to spend $20k if it needs to.
When a rural community based outfit like this (I live in NZ, and I'd never heard of them) would struggle to find $20k even when it wants to, they need to look for alternatives.
The effort they spent fine tuning their cheap solution will pay off when they need to add extra links. Is one expensive connection (single point of failure?) more reliable than many cheap ones anyway?
The way to break the cycle is to stop granting stupid patents.
Yeah, but his point was that will never happen while the patent office is funded by the granting of patents. There is an incentive to grant stupid patents.
Umm... the "bugger" ad mentioned in the comments you replied to was a Toyota ad from a few years back (ie not the recent Hyundai ad the main story is about).
Well that maybe the case for an American listener. All the Filipinos I've met (only a handful to be honest) sounded to me like they had American accents:)
But just to agree with you, all of them had very good spoken english (if a little quiet).
Hell, I'd be happy with just named constants for colors and numbers (and maybe even for whole or partial selector expressions?).
And now that we're dreaming here I'd be extra happy with math expressions for numbers especially if they could reference properties from other elements. That is starting to get a little like duplicating the DOM scripting stuff though.
And, redundantly, most atheists -- or better, most or all of the vocal and active atheists -- are really involved emotionally with atheism just as theists are involved in their respective theisms.
And? Does vocal, active and emotional involvement in something equate to theism?
Are political parties now religions? Are supporters of sports teams religous groups?
Is there a difference between a atheist vocally and actively refuting eg astrology and a theist vocally and actively refuting the same thing? Are the same thought patterns and methods of reasoning behind each of their arguments?
Would those atheists be vocal and active athesists if they had never come into contact with a theist? Would there even be such a thing as atheism without theism? Conversely, would those theists still be theists if they had not come into contact with atheists? Does it work both ways?
You can go to school to learn to be a bridge builder and come out of it knowing all the exact specifications to build a bridge and probably design a fairly good bridge, or with a bit of creativity and some extra architectural skills a really cool bridge. Software design isn't really taught in this manor, sure your taught how all the bridge building tools work, and even a lot of the engineering specifications. But I have yet to see the software design school that covered more than a class or two into truly how to design software
Ummm... that sounds a awful lot like how engineers at taught at engineering schools. Get a civil/structural engineering degree and you'll come out of school with a lot of math, physics and theory about materials and how they behave under loads etc. It's the equivalent of future programmers getting taught theoretical computer science. If your school was at the applied or 'trades' end of the spectrum you might swap some of the more advanced theory for stuff about the local building codes etc - but those types of graduates usually end up doing drafting or project management anyway.
Nobody gets taught how to design a bridge at university - just a huge amount of theory. Then they get chucked in the deep end at their first job and have to pick up a vast amount of real world knowledge on the job from the more experienced engineers. About the only difference is that legally the engineering graduates have to get someone else to sign off on their work until they get registered.
Yeah, Microstation sounded great until I actually had to use it for a while. I (happily) haven't done any drafting for about 10yrs now, so don't know what the current state of play is though.
For all of AutoCADs many flaws, at that time it's mouse/keyboard integration was done very well IMO.
Ahh, the good old "who do you sue" chestnut. How's suing Oracle working out for you whenever you find bugs in their database, or if you got bad advice from their support techs?
That's not the reason they want it. They want it so that if a screwup happens and the shareholders etc are baying for blood, they can divert the blame to the vendor.
5. Maybe the jaw is from some kind of early bat -- it's a mammal, yet it does what birds do, like flying and eating insects and fruits. I'm not sure a bat could make it to NZ from anywhere, nor that any bats evolved by that point. It's probably as feasiable an explanation as #4 until there's a reason to believe otherwise.
New Zealand already has two native species of bat. They were the previously only known native mammals in NZ. This is why these articles are concentrating on the 'land mammal' angle.
"Web Standards" changes constantly with what is "in" and "cool."
You do realise that more time has passed since the publication of CSS2 (yes the latest released version), than passed between the invention of the web itself and said publication date? ie the latest version of that standard spec has been out for over half the webs entire lifetime. That standard was published before the majority of web designers these days even started designing websites.
Until just recently, there was no movement at all in the level of standards support in the majority browser for over 5 years.
Because "Standards" never actually stay put, I have this to say:
Yeah its a real bitch when they redesign HTML4 halfway through a project.
And since when was AJAX ever any kind of standard? Maybe you've just confused the concept of "standard" with "state of the art" in terms of techniques used. Because the majority of designers have only recently started using standards based design or worrying about AJAX, you could say the "state of the art" is changing. But that has nothing to do with whether the standards are changing - they are still as stagnant as they were years ago.
Agreed, it isn't computer novices that find Linux Desktops any harder to use than Windows. It's the more experienced Windows users that generally find Linux harder to use. They have preconceived notions about how computers are supposed to work and have forgotten how long it took them to pick up their current Windows knowledge. They underestimate how much new stuff they will need to learn when moving to a different system.
eg: I'm very experienced with both Linux and Windows, but still get lost and confused with OSX because I'm still very new to it. Even so I'd accept that OSX is probably the easiest to learn after watching my wife buy an iMac and pick it up without much knowledge of any other systems.
It's not a dialect of French. It's the polynesian language spoken in French Polynesia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tahitian_language ), similar to other polynesian languages eg "hello" is "kia ora" in Maori, "kia orana" in the Cook Islands etc
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What so you can wear the cost and disruption of moving to another provider that he didn't test and will probably do the same thing anyway?
Wouldn't he be better off just posting a list of providers that didn't fall for it?
Then again, either list might not be entirely useful. From just one test per provider, how do you know how common either successes or failures are for them?
Are you sure about that? I thought it was supposed to be the other way around.
ie (correct me if I'm wrong) During the day solar radiation of all kinds of wavelengths makes it through the atmosphere and gets absorbed by the ground/oceans etc. The ground/oceans warm up a little, and at night as they cool down release that energy back into space via the atmosphere as a narrower band of radiation (IR). It is the change from a wide spectrum to a narrow spectrum that means the absorption on the way out is different to what it was on the way in. And it just so happens that carbon dioxide and methane etc like to absorb IR so catch more energy on the way out rather than the way in.
So the main effect isn't driven so much by trapping radiation on the way in (lots of different wavelengths), but by trapping radiation on the way out (mainly IR). So the denser lower atmosphere plays a big part that case.
You're confusing different issues.
You're mistakenly trying to use Kerberos as an example of why BSD licenses are bad - you'll need to find other examples. Yes MS were assholes with the way the first went about implementing Kerberos and their 'embrace and extend' attitudes - but if MIT used the GPL for their implementation of Kerberos it wouldn't have changed anything as MS didn't base Active Directory off MITs code.
If you have evidence that there is MIT code in Active Directory, I'd love to see it.
But to make that a moot point anyway - if hypothetically MIT had've used the GPL for their Kerberos implementation, that would've guaranteed that MS would write their own implementation from scratch (using the RFCs) and would've done nothing to prevent MS pulling the same bullshit.
I'm fairly neutral on the whole BSD vs GPL argument, I like and use both. I just get a little bewildered at GPL advocates claiming the BSD license is harmful.
That doesn't sound like the way I understood it...
MS wrote their own proprietary Kerberos 5 implemention based on the published specifications (RFCs) - code licenses weren't part of it. A lot of random people seem to assume/claim Active Directory used MIT's codebase, but I haven't seen any concrete evidence of that. None of MITs vulnerabilities seem to ever apply to MS and vice versa - although MIT and Hiemdal sometimes share vulnerabilities. MS probably didn't want any of MITs legacy kerberos 4 code anyway.
Those published specifications allowed for extensions of the kind they made, which were extra bits for authenticating Windows PCs on Active Directory. MS Kerberos was still compatible with the specifications, and non MS software could still use an MS KDC just like they could other KDCs so it was still compatible with existing kerberos software. But it is an extension that only really Samba 4 (as it is the only thing attempting to emulate AD) would need to make use of.
Where MS were assholes is that they took so many years to document what their extensions were.
But the MIT/BSD style license on Kerberos isn't at fault for this. MS could've extended Kerberos exactly the same way even if MITs implementation was GPLed. Kerberos isn't a codebase it's a set of protocols defined by RFCs.
So to give geeky VCR time setters lifetime employment, are you saying that VCRs clocks are made deliberately hard to change?
I dunno, back in the day it seemed that Linux kernel development stories and release announcements were the mainstay of Slashdot news.
No, that's the sound of pork
Hmmm.... visions of Miss Piggy singing 'the hills are alive...' came to mind
Even better!!!
That kind of analysis might work when the station has the ability to spend $20k if it needs to.
When a rural community based outfit like this (I live in NZ, and I'd never heard of them) would struggle to find $20k even when it wants to, they need to look for alternatives.
The effort they spent fine tuning their cheap solution will pay off when they need to add extra links. Is one expensive connection (single point of failure?) more reliable than many cheap ones anyway?
You missed his point.
The way to break the cycle is to stop granting stupid patents.
Yeah, but his point was that will never happen while the patent office is funded by the granting of patents. There is an incentive to grant stupid patents.
Umm... the "bugger" ad mentioned in the comments you replied to was a Toyota ad from a few years back (ie not the recent Hyundai ad the main story is about).
They have no discernible accent--none.
:)
Well that maybe the case for an American listener. All the Filipinos I've met (only a handful to be honest) sounded to me like they had American accents
But just to agree with you, all of them had very good spoken english (if a little quiet).
Where does the (people who can order their companies to switch software) set fit in?
Yes, I wish CSS had support for if statements.
Hell, I'd be happy with just named constants for colors and numbers (and maybe even for whole or partial selector expressions?).
And now that we're dreaming here I'd be extra happy with math expressions for numbers especially if they could reference properties from other elements. That is starting to get a little like duplicating the DOM scripting stuff though.
And, redundantly, most atheists -- or better, most or all of the vocal and active atheists -- are really involved emotionally with atheism just as theists are involved in their respective theisms.
And? Does vocal, active and emotional involvement in something equate to theism?
Are political parties now religions? Are supporters of sports teams religous groups?
Is there a difference between a atheist vocally and actively refuting eg astrology and a theist vocally and actively refuting the same thing? Are the same thought patterns and methods of reasoning behind each of their arguments?
Would those atheists be vocal and active athesists if they had never come into contact with a theist? Would there even be such a thing as atheism without theism? Conversely, would those theists still be theists if they had not come into contact with atheists? Does it work both ways?
You can go to school to learn to be a bridge builder and come out of it knowing all the exact specifications to build a bridge and probably design a fairly good bridge, or with a bit of creativity and some extra architectural skills a really cool bridge. Software design isn't really taught in this manor, sure your taught how all the bridge building tools work, and even a lot of the engineering specifications. But I have yet to see the software design school that covered more than a class or two into truly how to design software
Ummm... that sounds a awful lot like how engineers at taught at engineering schools. Get a civil/structural engineering degree and you'll come out of school with a lot of math, physics and theory about materials and how they behave under loads etc. It's the equivalent of future programmers getting taught theoretical computer science. If your school was at the applied or 'trades' end of the spectrum you might swap some of the more advanced theory for stuff about the local building codes etc - but those types of graduates usually end up doing drafting or project management anyway.
Nobody gets taught how to design a bridge at university - just a huge amount of theory. Then they get chucked in the deep end at their first job and have to pick up a vast amount of real world knowledge on the job from the more experienced engineers. About the only difference is that legally the engineering graduates have to get someone else to sign off on their work until they get registered.
Yeah, Microstation sounded great until I actually had to use it for a while. I (happily) haven't done any drafting for about 10yrs now, so don't know what the current state of play is though.
For all of AutoCADs many flaws, at that time it's mouse/keyboard integration was done very well IMO.
Don't worry, all is not lost despite the PNG alpha channel being fixed. As far as I'm aware IE7 still screws up gamma on PNGs.
Why do I sense the creation of a new slashdot meme.... sigh
Ahh, the good old "who do you sue" chestnut. How's suing Oracle working out for you whenever you find bugs in their database, or if you got bad advice from their support techs?
That's not the reason they want it. They want it so that if a screwup happens and the shareholders etc are baying for blood, they can divert the blame to the vendor.
5. Maybe the jaw is from some kind of early bat -- it's a mammal, yet it does what birds do, like flying and eating insects and fruits. I'm not sure a bat could make it to NZ from anywhere, nor that any bats evolved by that point. It's probably as feasiable an explanation as #4 until there's a reason to believe otherwise.
New Zealand already has two native species of bat. They were the previously only known native mammals in NZ. This is why these articles are concentrating on the 'land mammal' angle.
If you are really lost though - you won't know which hemisphere you are in.
Huh? You have to be trolling.
"Web Standards" changes constantly with what is "in" and "cool."
You do realise that more time has passed since the publication of CSS2 (yes the latest released version), than passed between the invention of the web itself and said publication date? ie the latest version of that standard spec has been out for over half the webs entire lifetime. That standard was published before the majority of web designers these days even started designing websites.
Until just recently, there was no movement at all in the level of standards support in the majority browser for over 5 years.
Because "Standards" never actually stay put, I have this to say:
Yeah its a real bitch when they redesign HTML4 halfway through a project.
And since when was AJAX ever any kind of standard? Maybe you've just confused the concept of "standard" with "state of the art" in terms of techniques used. Because the majority of designers have only recently started using standards based design or worrying about AJAX, you could say the "state of the art" is changing. But that has nothing to do with whether the standards are changing - they are still as stagnant as they were years ago.
Agreed, it isn't computer novices that find Linux Desktops any harder to use than Windows. It's the more experienced Windows users that generally find Linux harder to use. They have preconceived notions about how computers are supposed to work and have forgotten how long it took them to pick up their current Windows knowledge. They underestimate how much new stuff they will need to learn when moving to a different system.
eg: I'm very experienced with both Linux and Windows, but still get lost and confused with OSX because I'm still very new to it. Even so I'd accept that OSX is probably the easiest to learn after watching my wife buy an iMac and pick it up without much knowledge of any other systems.
It's not a dialect of French. It's the polynesian language spoken in French Polynesia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tahitian_language ), similar to other polynesian languages eg "hello" is "kia ora" in Maori, "kia orana" in the Cook Islands etc