"For far too long the people of Sweden have be living in an opressive society where they are forced to drive Volvos"
Have they bollocks. The gits have got Koenigseggs and Saabs, and won't give me any of them for free, either. Have you seen how nice their cars are these days? Far better off with a Swedish car than a French one, with their flimsy Citroens and Renaults that the interior finish always falls off. I understand that persuading the relevant people that 'liberating' France would be a fun idea would be easier, too.
Yes. I am annoyed that my new car budget won't stretch to a Saab 93.
A few seconds of computing time on what, exactly? My 28MHz Amiga A1200 does a perfectly acceptable job as a Pine station, but I'd really rather not have it solve something the Athlon 2800+ takes 'a few seconds' over every time it sends an email!
To be fair, its entirely possible that Neo could have been captured by the Smiths at that point, leaving Morpheus and Trinity to go rescue him for a change. Getting captured occasionally is all part of the job for heroes.
"Function g() calls function f(), so all the code in g() is derivative. Functions h1(), h2(), and h3() all call, g(), so they are all derivative. etc etc etc."
I'm curious; exactly how many seconds do you believe I leave a PC connected through dialup to my phone without using it for something?
Our work system occasionally likes to insist on downloading updates immediately when connected to the network, too. Attempting to do something as simple as check email from clients when connected over a mobile phone from a laptop at a conference, when Systems want to shove a 30Mb update to me right away is a nightmare.
"GPL invalid 'cause copyright law forbids multiple copies? "
Yep. And the fact that SCO Unix allows itself to be backed up to tape (or, come to think of it, even installed from the CDs) means that the SCO Unix license is just as invalid.
I hereby claim that, because SCO let me copy it once, I am the rightful owner of all System V IP.
Which I now place in the public domain. End of argument.
Ick - I just read that back to myself. I'd like to apologise to everyone for a seriously horrible run-on sentence. Point stands, though - given all they are trying to do to keep Home out of the office, and Pro out of the house, this should have been a no-brainer.
Since 2.2.0 is before all this alleged infringement started happening, according to SCO, and the number of lines of code between 2.2.0 and 2.4.0 went up by 1577055, then, ignoring removal of old lines nearly 2/3 of the changes from 2.2 to 2.4 were stolen from SCO! Surely/someone/ other than IBM contributed something to the 2.4 kernel development?
Meanwhile, over at news.com they are reporting more announcements from the conference:
"The SCO Forum crowd applauded when SCO executives announced that an upcoming version of its OpenServer--code-named Legend--will support the latest releases of Java; include new hardware support, such as universal serial bus (USB) printer drivers; contain expanded security features; and provide better compatibility with Microsoft Windows through version 3 of Samba, which is developed by an open-source group. The OpenServer update is scheduled to debut in the fourth quarter of next year."
So we can safely assume that none of the infringing lines of code come from the (working for years now) USB, Samba or Java support. My goodness I'd forgotten just how monumentally useless SCO Unix is.
If Microsoft want to makee auto-updating default for the clueless without offending business users who would (presumably) want it disabled, so they can control rollout of fixes themselves (both to reduce bandwidth by using the full downloads and the software delivery mechanism of their choice, and just because they want to give things a proper test first), why not do what I think they should have done all along - first only make it the default for XP Home Edition, and second make it a configurable during install.
Sorry if I sounded like I was knocking the Stampers in any way; after all Sabre Wulf was my favorite Spectrum game. Its just that so many of the key members of Rare have left over the years that I don't think we should expect the stunning things of them that the ridiculously large pricetag suggests.
Oh, I don't deny that it was a nightmare to work for, after having the stunning kludges added during development (Help! Playstation is much better than us at 3D! What should we do? Add a second CPU), but there plenty enough games to not call it "shitty", Sega Rally being worth the price of ownership in itself, as another example.
Just ignoring the fact that I was merely going for the cheap +1, Funny, take a look some time at how much money the Gameboy department make compared to the Cube one. Between the original GBA and the SP, sales compare pretty reasonably to the Playstation2, something no-one is going to be accusing the Cube of doing in a hurry.
The whole reason Nintendo keep pushing GBA-GC connectivity is to try and persuade more GBA owners to buy Cubes, not vice-versa.
"Are you retarded? Nintendo was releasing the Gameboy when NEC(?) had a portable Turbographx 16 which played the same games as the console, in color, with 16 bit graphics. Up till a few years ago they were still selling the original gameboy with the same awful graphics.
On your second issue, Nintendo has also always resisted any kind of backward compatibility or cross-platform acceptance (playing console games on handheld). "
Since I'm in a troll-feeding mood, and there's a rare chance that someone might not remember this far back, the handheld version of the PC Engine was indeed a thing of beauty and a joy to behold. It also went through an entire pack of batteries in no time at all, and was sufficiently expensive to make the Nokia NGage look like a sensible pricepoint. Nintendo had the right price, the right battery length and, in Tetris, the right game.
As for backwards compatibility, that self same Tetris cartridge still plays perfectly well on my GBA SP, so you're way off there. They might not have a method of plugging SNES carts into my SP, forcing me to buy Super Mario World all over again, but then I'd do that for the fact that the SNES cart is actually bigger than the entire machine, rather than a tiny little thing. You can get yourself a Gameboy Player for the Cube to go in the other direction, though.
"If you think of the games that Nintendo have become famous for, most people would name those that have had Rare input"
While Goldeneye was a stunning game, and probably the second greatest console FPS ever (yes, I like Halo a lot), its worth remembering that (a) Mario 64, Mario Kart, Zelda etc. were great too, and (b) nearly all the talent at Rare has since left to do other things (Timesplitters 2 was pretty natty, thanks to ex-Goldeneye guys, for example).
Personally, I think Microsoft paid through the nose for Rare, and aren't going to come close to seeing that money back. Kameo was meant to have come out when, for example?
I'd have to disagree, unfortunately. Innovative games just don't sell as well as re-hashes of franchise titles. My Dreamcast is a wonderful bundle of joy, with innovation coming out of its ears and all the crazy peripherals you could ask for (cameras, maracas, fishing rods, dance mats, microphones, dual sticks you name it), but not enough people bought them.
Meanwhile its damn hard to think of a popular PS2 game which isn't a sequel. Their innovative titles (Ico, Frequency, City Of Desperation etc) sold hardly anything.
I'm normally supportive of Sega; both Saturn and Dreamcast had stunning games and were unfairly ignored by the Sony-loving public.
But even I'm not going to say good things about the 32x.
Expansions, from the 32x via the N64DD to the PS2 hard-drive have been consistently ignored by the public. A new system, backwards compatible with the old one, is a much better way to go.
Err, anyone calling the Saturn "shitty" doesn't pay that much attention. Its at least as under-rated as the Dreamcast was, with the best Tomb Raider version, the best version of WipEout 2097, and arguably the greatest shooters of all time between DoDonPachi and Radiant Silvergun.
Plus Nights had a sufficiently groovy analogue pad that Nintendo themselves used it internally when developing Mario64 (though Nights itself didn't make it to general release until just after Mario).
Since The Getaway sucked bigtime, and Ico was really rather good, they seem to be picking on the wrong guys.
The Getaway was an ample demonstration of how to do it wrongly. No explicit display of health, using the battered state of the character instead, was an interesting idea to immerse you in the game's reality. One then broken by watching the blood disappear from the guy's jacket when you lean against a wall (because, catching your breath is enough to not only recover from gunshot wounds but clean your jacket, obviously). Similiarly, the fact that your only clue as to where to drive is by watching your signals on the car meant that you spend have your time lost. Something made far worse by the fact that they did only a reasonable job at modelling London. "A-ha!" you say. He's going to the Tate! I'll cut the corner and dive down the side road." Which doesn't exist in Getaway London, only on the real one. Locals get lost because roads are missing, the rest of the world gets lost because they don't know the place at all.
Meanwhile, sitting on a glowing sofa seems hardly the worst thing you could do.
"At least, that's what the coronor's report will read about 2 hours after the government actually takes notice of this."
Well, they did just tell probably the most well-funded spy organisation on the planet (the NSA) that all those wonderful security enhancements added to the code over the last year or two are SCO property, and they will have to fork over a fortune to get it back.
I'm really curious as to who they can find to piss off as an encore, as the range of more stupid targets is getting pretty small. Maybe McBride will claim that the Qur'an is theirs too, and if anybody wants to read it they'll have to buy a license.
Who is the most prolific user of Linux in the Government? Why, thats probably the NSA, who famously have been supplying a stack of security enhancements to the code.
SCO have just told the nation's spooks that the code they built belongs to the company, and they need to pay $699 a time to use it. I thought picking an IP fight with IBM needed balls, but thats just suicide.
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"For far too long the people of Sweden have be living in an opressive society where they are forced to drive Volvos"
Have they bollocks. The gits have got Koenigseggs and Saabs, and won't give me any of them for free, either. Have you seen how nice their cars are these days? Far better off with a Swedish car than a French one, with their flimsy Citroens and Renaults that the interior finish always falls off. I understand that persuading the relevant people that 'liberating' France would be a fun idea would be easier, too.
Yes. I am annoyed that my new car budget won't stretch to a Saab 93.
A few seconds of computing time on what, exactly? My 28MHz Amiga A1200 does a perfectly acceptable job as a Pine station, but I'd really rather not have it solve something the Athlon 2800+ takes 'a few seconds' over every time it sends an email!
To be fair, its entirely possible that Neo could have been captured by the Smiths at that point, leaving Morpheus and Trinity to go rescue him for a change. Getting captured occasionally is all part of the job for heroes.
"You expect me to talk?"
"No, Mr. Anderson. I expect you to die"
"Function g() calls function f(), so all the code in g() is derivative. Functions h1(), h2(), and h3() all call, g(), so they are all derivative. etc etc etc."
Arrgh! Its like a viral copyright or something!
err. hang on a moment...
I don't doubt you would fail both students if they wrote that code. Not for collaborating, but for both nicking it from 1992-era BSD...
I'm curious; exactly how many seconds do you believe I leave a PC connected through dialup to my phone without using it for something?
Our work system occasionally likes to insist on downloading updates immediately when connected to the network, too. Attempting to do something as simple as check email from clients when connected over a mobile phone from a laptop at a conference, when Systems want to shove a 30Mb update to me right away is a nightmare.
"GPL invalid 'cause copyright law forbids multiple copies? "
Yep. And the fact that SCO Unix allows itself to be backed up to tape (or, come to think of it, even installed from the CDs) means that the SCO Unix license is just as invalid.
I hereby claim that, because SCO let me copy it once, I am the rightful owner of all System V IP.
Which I now place in the public domain. End of argument.
Ick - I just read that back to myself. I'd like to apologise to everyone for a seriously horrible run-on sentence. Point stands, though - given all they are trying to do to keep Home out of the office, and Pro out of the house, this should have been a no-brainer.
Since 2.2.0 is before all this alleged infringement started happening, according to SCO, and the number of lines of code between 2.2.0 and 2.4.0 went up by 1577055, then, ignoring removal of old lines nearly 2/3 of the changes from 2.2 to 2.4 were stolen from SCO! Surely /someone/ other than IBM contributed something to the 2.4 kernel development?
Meanwhile, over at news.com they are reporting more announcements from the conference:
"The SCO Forum crowd applauded when SCO executives announced that an upcoming version of its OpenServer--code-named Legend--will support the latest releases of Java; include new hardware support, such as universal serial bus (USB) printer drivers; contain expanded security features; and provide better compatibility with Microsoft Windows through version 3 of Samba, which is developed by an open-source group. The OpenServer update is scheduled to debut in the fourth quarter of next year."
So we can safely assume that none of the infringing lines of code come from the (working for years now) USB, Samba or Java support. My goodness I'd forgotten just how monumentally useless SCO Unix is.
If Microsoft want to makee auto-updating default for the clueless without offending business users who would (presumably) want it disabled, so they can control rollout of fixes themselves (both to reduce bandwidth by using the full downloads and the software delivery mechanism of their choice, and just because they want to give things a proper test first), why not do what I think they should have done all along - first only make it the default for XP Home Edition, and second make it a configurable during install.
Sorry if I sounded like I was knocking the Stampers in any way; after all Sabre Wulf was my favorite Spectrum game. Its just that so many of the key members of Rare have left over the years that I don't think we should expect the stunning things of them that the ridiculously large pricetag suggests.
Oh, I don't deny that it was a nightmare to work for, after having the stunning kludges added during development (Help! Playstation is much better than us at 3D! What should we do? Add a second CPU), but there plenty enough games to not call it "shitty", Sega Rally being worth the price of ownership in itself, as another example.
Just ignoring the fact that I was merely going for the cheap +1, Funny, take a look some time at how much money the Gameboy department make compared to the Cube one. Between the original GBA and the SP, sales compare pretty reasonably to the Playstation2, something no-one is going to be accusing the Cube of doing in a hurry.
The whole reason Nintendo keep pushing GBA-GC connectivity is to try and persuade more GBA owners to buy Cubes, not vice-versa.
"Are you retarded? Nintendo was releasing the Gameboy when NEC(?) had a portable Turbographx 16 which played the same games as the console, in color, with 16 bit graphics. Up till a few years ago they were still selling the original gameboy with the same awful graphics.
On your second issue, Nintendo has also always resisted any kind of backward compatibility or cross-platform acceptance (playing console games on handheld). "
Since I'm in a troll-feeding mood, and there's a rare chance that someone might not remember this far back, the handheld version of the PC Engine was indeed a thing of beauty and a joy to behold. It also went through an entire pack of batteries in no time at all, and was sufficiently expensive to make the Nokia NGage look like a sensible pricepoint. Nintendo had the right price, the right battery length and, in Tetris, the right game.
As for backwards compatibility, that self same Tetris cartridge still plays perfectly well on my GBA SP, so you're way off there. They might not have a method of plugging SNES carts into my SP, forcing me to buy Super Mario World all over again, but then I'd do that for the fact that the SNES cart is actually bigger than the entire machine, rather than a tiny little thing. You can get yourself a Gameboy Player for the Cube to go in the other direction, though.
Really? I didn't know they stopped production of Pokemon or the GBSP...
"If you think of the games that Nintendo have become famous for, most people would name those that have had Rare input"
While Goldeneye was a stunning game, and probably the second greatest console FPS ever (yes, I like Halo a lot), its worth remembering that (a) Mario 64, Mario Kart, Zelda etc. were great too, and (b) nearly all the talent at Rare has since left to do other things (Timesplitters 2 was pretty natty, thanks to ex-Goldeneye guys, for example).
Personally, I think Microsoft paid through the nose for Rare, and aren't going to come close to seeing that money back. Kameo was meant to have come out when, for example?
I'd have to disagree, unfortunately. Innovative games just don't sell as well as re-hashes of franchise titles. My Dreamcast is a wonderful bundle of joy, with innovation coming out of its ears and all the crazy peripherals you could ask for (cameras, maracas, fishing rods, dance mats, microphones, dual sticks you name it), but not enough people bought them.
Meanwhile its damn hard to think of a popular PS2 game which isn't a sequel. Their innovative titles (Ico, Frequency, City Of Desperation etc) sold hardly anything.
I'm normally supportive of Sega; both Saturn and Dreamcast had stunning games and were unfairly ignored by the Sony-loving public.
But even I'm not going to say good things about the 32x.
Expansions, from the 32x via the N64DD to the PS2 hard-drive have been consistently ignored by the public. A new system, backwards compatible with the old one, is a much better way to go.
Err, anyone calling the Saturn "shitty" doesn't pay that much attention. Its at least as under-rated as the Dreamcast was, with the best Tomb Raider version, the best version of WipEout 2097, and arguably the greatest shooters of all time between DoDonPachi and Radiant Silvergun.
Plus Nights had a sufficiently groovy analogue pad that Nintendo themselves used it internally when developing Mario64 (though Nights itself didn't make it to general release until just after Mario).
Since The Getaway sucked bigtime, and Ico was really rather good, they seem to be picking on the wrong guys.
The Getaway was an ample demonstration of how to do it wrongly. No explicit display of health, using the battered state of the character instead, was an interesting idea to immerse you in the game's reality. One then broken by watching the blood disappear from the guy's jacket when you lean against a wall (because, catching your breath is enough to not only recover from gunshot wounds but clean your jacket, obviously). Similiarly, the fact that your only clue as to where to drive is by watching your signals on the car meant that you spend have your time lost. Something made far worse by the fact that they did only a reasonable job at modelling London. "A-ha!" you say. He's going to the Tate! I'll cut the corner and dive down the side road." Which doesn't exist in Getaway London, only on the real one. Locals get lost because roads are missing, the rest of the world gets lost because they don't know the place at all.
Meanwhile, sitting on a glowing sofa seems hardly the worst thing you could do.
"At least, that's what the coronor's report will read about 2 hours after the government actually takes notice of this."
Well, they did just tell probably the most well-funded spy organisation on the planet (the NSA) that all those wonderful security enhancements added to the code over the last year or two are SCO property, and they will have to fork over a fortune to get it back.
I'm really curious as to who they can find to piss off as an encore, as the range of more stupid targets is getting pretty small. Maybe McBride will claim that the Qur'an is theirs too, and if anybody wants to read it they'll have to buy a license.
Its worse than that, even.
Who is the most prolific user of Linux in the Government? Why, thats probably the NSA, who famously have been supplying a stack of security enhancements to the code.
SCO have just told the nation's spooks that the code they built belongs to the company, and they need to pay $699 a time to use it. I thought picking an IP fight with IBM needed balls, but thats just suicide.
Naaah.
Apart from anything, Thor Heyerdahl got pretty upset when people claimed there was no prior art there...
Rather than make a firebird gag, lets point out that they are delivering it there because the martians called and requested it.
Yes folks, they placed an "Order of the Phoenix".
B'dumph T'sssh.