Yes, I suspect that $M is looking for the oportunity to bait-n-switch, but Rosen has to look at what they've put on the table so far. When the terms change, I would expect him to comment on it publicly and let us know. He's not one that $M is gonna buy off (I Hope).
W.Kid
We only get a 20-30% discount, which leaves office at just under $200, and $139 for XP Pro. I've never seen office for $20. Even 6-7 years ago. The $100 computer tax is about what vendors pay to put XP and an officeworks type package on a system. Of course, I don't have a code for the site you pointed to, so I can't confirm your price. Corporate licensing includes being able to load one copy at home, and I suspect that this is just a copy of media you get for that price. I do have a copy of $M office at home, in my vmware instance I use for work stuff. Everything else is and will stay on openoffice. I just hope the next version uses a little less memory.
W.Kid
Yep, it dos's linux's firefox:( Oh Well. I guess I can't bash $M on this one, although I've noticed everyone else is. Maybe I'll Bash $M anyway, just outta principle! LOL
To make sure that either: 1) Nobody patches it till next week Or 2) Someone has to work on a holiday.
I'll bet some Mozilla.org hacker writes a fix in the next day or so though, just fer fun! I wonder if the DoS is a windows only or Windows and Linux DoS. I may have to read the FirSt report again just to find out.
Google used to be a great search engine for UseNet. As of late, thier new group interface has screwed it up royally. Ow Well. Back to yahoo groups, which sucks also.
I remember the good old usenet days. Chestering a news group feed, cat'ing and uudecoding files, etc. Now days, it's 99.99% CRAP!
And don't forget that they filter out what they don't want you to see. A few years ago, we did a search on linux, and it had about 1000 links, and all you could see was the fud type links you'd expect from microsoft. At the same time, google had about 10 million links. I don't remember the exact numbers, but non the less, I don't trust there search engine, because they will always try to push back what they don't want you to see.
My experience with gentoo is way different. Building the system is always a pain, cause there's always the one emerge that fails. Once I get the system built, it's always rock solid. It's been much more stable then any fedora box I've owned. Every once in a while I get an errant just updated ebuild error, but even then, it's always been easier to fix then rpm based systems. Once I get a system built and stable though, it just runs and works.
Yea, right! Congress uses the US Constitution for toilet paper. If you expect them to respect the foundation upon which this country was founded, then you need to beat yourself with a clue stick. The only thing that matters in washington these days is the almighty greenback. This bill is being supported by Corporate America, so they can rob the little guys blind.
Laura Dildio's previous articles have been so innacurate that it's obvious they were written to Microsoft specifications. I haven't read this article (yet), but that's where the slashdot hostility comes from. from some of the/. reviews, this sounds like a good article to read. This could be a pleasent change from previous articles LD articles.
It's also someone who wants to not loose the marketing revenue to another company. The days when $M can push/buy/crush other products and technologies out of there competitive market place are gone. They can still do this a little bit in the US, but the EU, etc won't put up with this anymore. One other factor limiting there search engine is that it favors IIS websites and vendors that pay $M money. Other products are filtered or given a lower priority. A year or two ago, a search on MSN for linux came up with less then 2000 hits, and the top of the list was $M's marketing FUD. They filter it less now, but guess what's still at the top of the list.
I don't want a search engine that shows me only what $M wants me to see, I want to see results that show everything that's available. Google puts 2-3 paid for items on top, but the rest is unfiltered. So what, let them make some money to pay for there work, but leave the rest alone.
W.Kid
I think the reason is as you stated. Selling dvd sets is likely to turn into big money. If they had there way, dvr's would be illegal also. If you've paid via dish or cable, I don't think they should have an issue. But they'll sue anyway.
I live in the bottom of a valley, and I can't recieve the local channels otherwise. TheWeatherChannel does the east coast weather, with a short update on the west coast, and about once a month, they accknowledge that there's a bunch of states inbetween. Of course, any news channel/show, be it local or national is a waste, but their is some local pbs stuff that I couldn't get otherwize. By the way, COMCAST SUCKS!!
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Go ahead, use 4.0 to compile your gentoo system! In about 3-4 Months, when you've reloaded a couple of times, and worked the bugs out, I'll upgrade my gentoo system with 4.0.x, the stabilized version:)
We should have limits on patent life to enable people to inovate on old ideas. Unfortunately, our seriously broken patent system has all but eliminated these time limits. This is something else that needs to get fixed on our patent system. Of course you have companies with big bucks, like disney that our buying off our congressmen to do what they want with patent laws.
If someone develops something, they should have enough time to make, sell and profit from it, to recoup thier expenses, and make some money before the patent expires. This is the motivation behind patents. And they should expire soon enough, so others can inovate and get there chance at making bucks. Unfortunately, Corporate america wants to eliminate this, so they can keep all the money, and not let the small businessman get a chance at competing.
10000 companies out there (actually lots more) that have good valid patent ideas.
a few hundred companies out there are abusing the patent laws. By limiting patents to 500 patents says that the thousands of valid patents out there can't be patented, cause there's only 500 slots. Cutting off your nose dispite your face will not fix the problem
Software patents are bad, and are protected by copyright, and shouldn't have patents. Soon, EU, China and Russia will surpass the US in software development, unless we fix this. That's another story though.
Being a US citizen, I want Europe to make software patents. That way they won't bury us in our own stupidity. Unfortunately, this will leave China as the only country free to inovate. There's no good solution to the patent crisis at this point, accept maybe to shoot all the lawyers. Even this isn't good, cause I'm sure there's at least 1 or 2 good ones in the pack of vermin.
Yes, both sides are preposterous. Of course patent laws are out of control also. Our forfathers made time limits on patents for a reason, and now corporate america is squashing them. If things keep going the way they are, there will be the upper class (lawyers) and the lower class. And of course China, who will be the technological leaders.
No one in the US will be able to write software, because you can't write software without violating patents. The functions intertwine too much, and it's way to easy to get trivial patents.
There is alot of FUD going around, but Software Patents are not fud. When the EU passes SW patent laws, if they do, you will see the $M lawyers kick into action, sueing everyone that's writing OSS software (or more accurately, everyone who can't afford to defend themselves against their lawyer army). Alot of these people are holding off, in my opinion until the EU passes patent law. If they see alot of bogus cases burying all the small S/W houses that can't afford to defend themselves, then they won't pass S/W patents.
The point is now that they've bought another anti-linux article, they have another article to create FUD from. FUD creates FUD which creates FUD whi.......... etc.
Slashdot Mirror
Yes, I suspect that $M is looking for the oportunity to bait-n-switch, but Rosen has to look at what they've put on the table so far. When the terms change, I would expect him to comment on it publicly and let us know. He's not one that $M is gonna buy off (I Hope).
W.Kid
We only get a 20-30% discount, which leaves office at just under $200, and $139 for XP Pro. I've never seen office for $20. Even 6-7 years ago. The $100 computer tax is about what vendors pay to put XP and an officeworks type package on a system. Of course, I don't have a code for the site you pointed to, so I can't confirm your price. Corporate licensing includes being able to load one copy at home, and I suspect that this is just a copy of media you get for that price.
I do have a copy of $M office at home, in my vmware instance I use for work stuff. Everything else is and will stay on openoffice. I just hope the next version uses a little less memory.
W.Kid
Yep, it dos's linux's firefox
Oh Well. I guess I can't bash $M on this one, although I've noticed everyone else is. Maybe I'll Bash $M anyway, just outta principle! LOL
To make sure that either:
1) Nobody patches it till next week
Or
2) Someone has to work on a holiday.
I'll bet some Mozilla.org hacker writes a fix in the next day or so though, just fer fun! I wonder if the DoS is a windows only or Windows and Linux DoS. I may have to read the FirSt report again just to find out.
Google used to be a great search engine for UseNet. As of late, thier new group interface has screwed it up royally. Ow Well. Back to yahoo groups, which sucks also.
I remember the good old usenet days. Chestering a news group feed, cat'ing and uudecoding files, etc. Now days, it's 99.99% CRAP!
And don't forget that they filter out what they don't want you to see. A few years ago, we did a search on linux, and it had about 1000 links, and all you could see was the fud type links you'd expect from microsoft. At the same time, google had about 10 million links. I don't remember the exact numbers, but non the less, I don't trust there search engine, because they will always try to push back what they don't want you to see.
Fear is the mind killer I will not fear etc-update
lol
When I see a config file that has to many changes, emacs, with buffer compare takes over!
EMACS RULES -- VI DROOLS
oh-oh, more editor wars!
My experience with gentoo is way different. Building the system is always a pain, cause there's always the one emerge that fails. Once I get the system built, it's always rock solid. It's been much more stable then any fedora box I've owned. Every once in a while I get an errant just updated ebuild error, but even then, it's always been easier to fix then rpm based systems. Once I get a system built and stable though, it just runs and works.
I second that! In a platonic way of course :)
The current trend of the Supreme Court has not been promising. I do hope your right! but I'll get the clue stick ready to send, just in case.
Yea, right!
Congress uses the US Constitution for toilet paper. If you expect them to respect the foundation upon which this country was founded, then you need to beat yourself with a clue stick. The only thing that matters in washington these days is the almighty greenback. This bill is being supported by Corporate America, so they can rob the little guys blind.
Laura Dildio's previous articles have been so innacurate that it's obvious they were written to Microsoft specifications. I haven't read this article (yet), but that's where the slashdot hostility comes from. from some of the
All 3 copies of GenToo Linux that I'm running are pirated from Gentoo.org. I'm about to pirate the gentoo software at work on my new workstation too
It's also someone who wants to not loose the marketing revenue to another company. The days when $M can push/buy/crush other products and technologies out of there competitive market place are gone. They can still do this a little bit in the US, but the EU, etc won't put up with this anymore. One other factor limiting there search engine is that it favors IIS websites and vendors that pay $M money. Other products are filtered or given a lower priority. A year or two ago, a search on MSN for linux came up with less then 2000 hits, and the top of the list was $M's marketing FUD. They filter it less now, but guess what's still at the top of the list.
I don't want a search engine that shows me only what $M wants me to see, I want to see results that show everything that's available. Google puts 2-3 paid for items on top, but the rest is unfiltered. So what, let them make some money to pay for there work, but leave the rest alone.
W.Kid
I think the reason is as you stated. Selling dvd sets is likely to turn into big money. If they had there way, dvr's would be illegal also. If you've paid via dish or cable, I don't think they should have an issue. But they'll sue anyway.
I care.
I live in the bottom of a valley, and I can't recieve the local channels otherwise. TheWeatherChannel does the east coast weather, with a short update on the west coast, and about once a month, they accknowledge that there's a bunch of states inbetween.
Of course, any news channel/show, be it local or national is a waste, but their is some local pbs stuff that I couldn't get otherwize. By the way, COMCAST SUCKS!!
Go ahead, use 4.0 to compile your gentoo system! In about 3-4 Months, when you've reloaded a couple of times, and worked the bugs out, I'll upgrade my gentoo system with 4.0.x, the stabilized version :)
Load Gun, Aim, Execute (emerge --emptytree world)
No spell checker in slashdot. inovate should be innovate
Yea, disney did the extensions on copyright, not patents. Crossed my wires there. They have extended both, but the copyright extensions are ludicrous.
We should have limits on patent life to enable people to inovate on old ideas. Unfortunately, our seriously broken patent system has all but eliminated these time limits. This is something else that needs to get fixed on our patent system. Of course you have companies with big bucks, like disney that our buying off our congressmen to do what they want with patent laws.
If someone develops something, they should have enough time to make, sell and profit from it, to recoup thier expenses, and make some money before the patent expires. This is the motivation behind patents. And they should expire soon enough, so others can inovate and get there chance at making bucks. Unfortunately, Corporate america wants to eliminate this, so they can keep all the money, and not let the small businessman get a chance at competing.
10000 companies out there (actually lots more) that have good valid patent ideas.
a few hundred companies out there are abusing the patent laws. By limiting patents to 500 patents says that the thousands of valid patents out there can't be patented, cause there's only 500 slots. Cutting off your nose dispite your face will not fix the problem
Software patents are bad, and are protected by copyright, and shouldn't have patents. Soon, EU, China and Russia will surpass the US in software development, unless we fix this. That's another story though.
This will seriously hamper inovation BAD IDEA
Being a US citizen, I want Europe to make software patents. That way they won't bury us in our own stupidity. Unfortunately, this will leave China as the only country free to inovate. There's no good solution to the patent crisis at this point, accept maybe to shoot all the lawyers. Even this isn't good, cause I'm sure there's at least 1 or 2 good ones in the pack of vermin.
Yes, both sides are preposterous. Of course patent laws are out of control also. Our forfathers made time limits on patents for a reason, and now corporate america is squashing them. If things keep going the way they are, there will be the upper class (lawyers) and the lower class. And of course China, who will be the technological leaders.
No one in the US will be able to write software, because you can't write software without violating patents. The functions intertwine too much, and it's way to easy to get trivial patents.
There is alot of FUD going around, but Software Patents are not fud. When the EU passes SW patent laws, if they do, you will see the $M lawyers kick into action, sueing everyone that's writing OSS software (or more accurately, everyone who can't afford to defend themselves against their lawyer army). Alot of these people are holding off, in my opinion until the EU passes patent law. If they see alot of bogus cases burying all the small S/W houses that can't afford to defend themselves, then they won't pass S/W patents.
The point is now that they've bought another anti-linux article, they have another article to create FUD from. FUD creates FUD which creates FUD whi .......... etc.
Denver has lots of air, if you want deprivation, move to the high camp at mt everest. It's to damned crowded here in denver anyway.