Michael better be careful! He'll have the EOC coming down on him!
In the mean time, I hope they get spirit fixed. Maybe we should have put some speakers on it and have it play country music, just in case there are martians!
I read that the editor cut it out. I'm not necessarly disagreeing with him. The article is what I'm disagreeing with. It sounds like the original work was acceptible, and I can understand where the writer was coming from. All of his explination on why he used an old version was cut out. The editor re-wrote the article to bias torwards there advertizers, thereby taking the original writers intent out of context. I no longer read infoworld because they are an advertizing firm, with bias in everything they publish. Want a good review, go to infoworld. You can buy one.
Yes, but slashdot doesn't have a team of journalists writing bogus articles putting down extremely good tools that work well in favor of commercial products that pay to advertise in their magizine/website. In this case, the commercial tools don't any better then spamassassin. Spamassassin rocks!!
Infoworld.com Do you think there going to put their advertisers products down? I could tell after the first three paragraphs that the article was a sales brochure.
I was referring to an OpenSource project sharing code for a calendering function. Of course $M is sharing code within exchange for the email and calendaring servers.
I don't disagree with getting off of Exchange and Outlook. I'm making suggestions so Corporations have viable options to do so. Most won't do so unless they have mail clients that can do this. Evolution has a client that can do this, but there are currently no back-end calendar servers that I know of that it will talk to.
This brings up a thought. I wonder how hard it would be to 1) port Suns Ical stuff into evolution, and 2) get it talking over an SSL connection, instead of the POS rpc connection it currently uses?
I know the people here that run the exchange servers lock them down tight. But there is a large number of people that don't. I've been dealing with Unix and avoiding dealing with Microsoft systems for close to 20 years. Yes, there are some good people running $M systems. But there are a hell of alot of paper tigers that went to a boot camp, got there mcse and there bit $60K jobs that can just barely log into a system. These are the idiots that cause the problems.
Corporations get locked into having certified people, and there's the mis-conception that $M systems are easy to run. This is not the case. You can put the cd in and install the software, and it runs. Experienced people know that all because it is operational, it still will need some configuration to lock it down and make it run properly and securely. You know how to use TechNet. I've used technet. There are lots out there that don't. If they did, slammer wouldn't have happened, along with most the other virus's. Almost all the worms and virus's out there had patches out long before the virus's hammered the internet. I never said $M administrators are missing chromosomes, etc. But if you look at all the worms that have hit, they've been $M worms. I'm a UNIX dude, who started on the path to get my MCSE. The only reason I didn't is I got into a disagreement with my boss at the time, who tried to wedge me into a position as the NT Lead administrator. When I refused the job, he pulled my training and testing out of spite. I never complained about that though. Unix is easy. $M is a pain in the butt. Ever tried to debug a blue-screen? If you do, better make sure your $M support account is paid and up to date.
I've never run an exchange server. I've run many mail servers. Mail is a complex application to run. Every shop I've ever delt with always puts a unix mx in front of Exchange, and I've run these before. There's a reason they put a Unix box in front of exchange. Notice that I said UNIX and not Linux. I like linux, but I've also run HPUKE, Slowaris, IRIX, BSD (Several veriants), and on an occasion NT, and W2K. To run a hetrogenious environment securely, I've found that the $M boxes are the hardest to secure. Good $M administrators are not missing a cromazone. They need to be smart, because there are so many little caviots with $M boxes to secure them, set the ACL's correctly and lock down the registry that dummies as NT administrators cause problems. Like SLAMMER, REDCODE, etc. It gets old, but it keeps happening.
This is partially true. The calender function needs to be integrated into the email client. Much of the information for the calendaring function shares properties with email and directory services also. The group/dept/phone/email aughta be in LDAP, which is read by the Email and Calendar servers.
If this function is integrated with an existing package, then much of the code can be shared, reducing the development effort. The servers don't need to be combined, but there is some code that can be shared, so it would reduce the development effort.
$M's email application is a legacy app. You can tell by the legacy bugs that show up from there past programming skills. And the fact that there email client wants to execute everything it sees in an email message. Of course $M has been putting out a constant stream of patches to close these down as the virus writers find them. Funny, I remember in 1988, when the first worm showed up. We had our sendmail.cf files set up so you couldn't use the pipe to execute the worm, and a month later, everyone else did also. Now, since $M supplies most the email clients, worms and virus's are the daily norm. And since exchange is rampant in Corporate email servers, the spam problem is not going away. Most of the paper tigers out there running the exchange servers haven't got a clue on how to lock down a system.
Corporations run exchange not just for mail, but for groupware functions. I'm forced to use it at work, because the use the calender functions heavly. The old Sun Calender tool worked better, but wasn't integrated into mail as well as Exchange does. This is the one weakness of the Open Software solutions.
The open source community needs to address this if we want to get a better solution then $M's exchange. Exchange is a pig, that's hard to back up, doesn't follow the SMTP protocals worth a damn, and doesn't scale. Integrating a Calender in a tool like Cyrus/Imap would be an exchange killer.
W.Kid
With SCO screaming SUE-SUE-SUE and Microsoft hollering WERE BETTER CAUSE WE HAVE PATCHES FASTER (What a Laugh!), the timing of this couldn't have been worse.
Did you consider the fact that your doing as much to chase Corporate America away from linux as much as Microsoft is? How do you explain your timing on this announcement.
You Said: "So overall, yes, LOTR doesn't have as much philosophy."
I disagree. The LOTR is filled with philosophy."
It points out the stupididy of war, and how the world is a place of give and take. Frodo fights to save middle earth, and yet ends up having to leave it. A true lesson in irony. There's so many philosophical lessons in the LOTR I couldn't begin to name them all. They've been blended into the story so seamlessly that they don't always stand out though.
The books are a literary masterpiece. To make a movie with the details in the books would take 25-30 hours. The movies have hacked out most the details, and are not following the storyline that closely. I've heard talk about doing a movie on this series of books for 30 years, and I never, and still never believe they will be able to make a movie that captures the imagination and imagery created by the Lord of the Rings books.
I have to admit that the movie's a bad hack at the story line. If you really want to know what the story is about, read the books. I still enjoyed the movie, but the books are better.
Most of the pieces are in SMTP. Rather than scrapping SMTP, add better authentication up front. I hate to see anything relaying mail on the internet having to be registered, but it may come down to this. I'm recieving over a hundred spams a day. This is pathetic.
GATOR IS SPYWARE gator is spyware GATOR IS SPYWARE gator is spyware GATOR IS SPYWARE gator is spyware GATOR IS SPYWARE gator is spyware GATOR IS SPYWARE
COME SUE ME YOU STUPID MORONS
And what's with this stupid SlashDot Lame filter! The reason I wanted to use all caps is because I was SHOUTING.
Note: posts like this only happen after To Many Beers!
Sounds like the Patriot act to me. They have a similar provision in the Patriot act. They also have clauses saying they can snoop on anyone, etc in the name of protecting us against terrorists.
But, who's going to protect us from Wacko FBI/Bobby/Unit/HMSS/CIA associates? Protecting our freedom, by eliminating it? Something is wrong with this picture.
It won't be the end, but it won't last long after that. Sco has no money. I figure that there will be about 3 months fighting over what's left of sco's money after they loose the case, And only 3 months cause that's about when they'll go chapter 7.
McBribe will probably be somewhere outside of the US and Europe by then, with all his cashed out stock profits. Unless, of course the fed's pick him up and throw him in with Bubba. I think McScum needs to spend some Quality time being Bubbas new Bo!
Most Investors read the Press Releases. Most of them are still licking there lips in antisipation on all that Linux Revenue.
When McThief skips outta the US, living in some tropical zone out of the US's and FTC's reach, assuming that the FTC and powers to be figure out what thier doing, then the investors will be SOL.
There is a slight difference between gates and mcbribe.
gates made his money by squashing little companies and stealing there products. Then going to court and burying them in legal costs till they gave up.
McSlime is doing the the stock price grab and run. I just hope the FTC figures out what he's up to before he moves out of the US, so he can go to jail, and be Bubba's little bo.
1) They make a plan to sell the stock (beforehand) and register this with the SEC. This is front loaded as much as possible to get the most $$$. It's registered with the SEC, before anything is done.
2) They discover SCO code is in the Linux Kernel. But its our IP, so you have to sign this non-disclosure so you can't ever touch LINUX again. Of course anyone involved with Linux won't sign it.
OH NO SUE IBM --- SUE EVERYONE. HEY WE GOTTA SELL SCO UNIX LICENSES TO ALL LINUX USERS, CAUSE THERE USING OUR IP!
3) SCO STOCK SOARS YEA, WERE MAKING MONEY AGAIN. And buy the way, all that stock were selling, was per a pre-arranged schedule that has nothing to do with this IP issue.
4) Judge looks at all the code. When it's put in court, (a year or two later of course), it's discovered that some of the code is actually stolen BSD code, some of the code is IBM/Dynawhowever code, and some of the code was inserted by Caldera.
5) Opps, Our mistake. Our lawyers said it was a valid IP issue. There bad.
6) SCO goes Chapter 7. Company Officers however, have sold BOATLOADS of stock at outragious profits.
7 SEC investigates. No WrongDueing. The stock selling plan was in place Long before any lawsuit was started. There good Company officers, taken in by a bunch of confused lawyers. McBribe is a honest CEO.
So much for a bunch of stupid stockholders's money.
Hey, some company bought SCO Linux Licenses, but SCO didn't disclose who it was. It was probably a company with $M in there name. But SCO would never publicly admit this.
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Michael better be careful! He'll have the EOC coming down on him!
In the mean time, I hope they get spirit fixed. Maybe we should have put some speakers on it and have it play country music, just in case there are martians!
They'll want bigger faster spam relays!!
I read that the editor cut it out. I'm not necessarly disagreeing with him. The article is what I'm disagreeing with. It sounds like the original work was acceptible, and I can understand where the writer was coming from. All of his explination on why he used an old version was cut out. The editor re-wrote the article to bias torwards there advertizers, thereby taking the original writers intent out of context. I no longer read infoworld because they are an advertizing firm, with bias in everything they publish. Want a good review, go to infoworld. You can buy one.
Yes, but slashdot doesn't have a team of journalists writing bogus articles putting down extremely good tools that work well in favor of commercial products that pay to advertise in their magizine/website. In this case, the commercial tools don't any better then spamassassin. Spamassassin rocks!!
Look at where the article is from!!
Infoworld.com Do you think there going to put their advertisers products down? I could tell after the first three paragraphs that the article was a sales brochure.
722 articles on the famous "windows linux" search on MSN, vs 1700++ on google. Better then msn search, but...
I don't trust MSN They will edit content.
I was referring to an OpenSource project sharing code for a calendering function. Of course $M is sharing code within exchange for the email and calendaring servers.
I don't disagree with getting off of Exchange and Outlook. I'm making suggestions so Corporations have viable options to do so. Most won't do so unless they have mail clients that can do this. Evolution has a client that can do this, but there are currently no back-end calendar servers that I know of that it will talk to.
This brings up a thought. I wonder how hard it would be to 1) port Suns Ical stuff into evolution, and 2) get it talking over an SSL connection, instead of the POS rpc connection it currently uses?
I know the people here that run the exchange servers lock them down tight. But there is a large number of people that don't. I've been dealing with Unix and avoiding dealing with Microsoft systems for close to 20 years. Yes, there are some good people running $M systems. But there are a hell of alot of paper tigers that went to a boot camp, got there mcse and there bit $60K jobs that can just barely log into a system. These are the idiots that cause the problems.
Corporations get locked into having certified people, and there's the mis-conception that $M systems are easy to run. This is not the case. You can put the cd in and install the software, and it runs. Experienced people know that all because it is operational, it still will need some configuration to lock it down and make it run properly and securely. You know how to use TechNet. I've used technet. There are lots out there that don't. If they did, slammer wouldn't have happened, along with most the other virus's. Almost all the worms and virus's out there had patches out long before the virus's hammered the internet. I never said $M administrators are missing chromosomes, etc. But if you look at all the worms that have hit, they've been $M worms.
I'm a UNIX dude, who started on the path to get my MCSE. The only reason I didn't is I got into a disagreement with my boss at the time, who tried to wedge me into a position as the NT Lead administrator. When I refused the job, he pulled my training and testing out of spite. I never complained about that though. Unix is easy. $M is a pain in the butt. Ever tried to debug a blue-screen? If you do, better make sure your $M support account is paid and up to date.
I've never run an exchange server. I've run many mail servers. Mail is a complex application to run. Every shop I've ever delt with always puts a unix mx in front of Exchange, and I've run these before. There's a reason they put a Unix box in front of exchange. Notice that I said UNIX and not Linux. I like linux, but I've also run HPUKE, Slowaris, IRIX, BSD (Several veriants), and on an occasion NT, and W2K. To run a hetrogenious environment securely, I've found that the $M boxes are the hardest to secure. Good $M administrators are not missing a cromazone. They need to be smart, because there are so many little caviots with $M boxes to secure them, set the ACL's correctly and lock down the registry that dummies as NT administrators cause problems. Like SLAMMER, REDCODE, etc. It gets old, but it keeps happening.
This is partially true. The calender function needs to be integrated into the email client. Much of the information for the calendaring function shares properties with email and directory services also. The group/dept/phone/email aughta be in LDAP, which is read by the Email and Calendar servers.
If this function is integrated with an existing package, then much of the code can be shared, reducing the development effort. The servers don't need to be combined, but there is some code that can be shared, so it would reduce the development effort.
$M's email application is a legacy app. You can tell by the legacy bugs that show up from there past programming skills. And the fact that there email client wants to execute everything it sees in an email message. Of course $M has been putting out a constant stream of patches to close these down as the virus writers find them. Funny, I remember in 1988, when the first worm showed up. We had our sendmail.cf files set up so you couldn't use the pipe to execute the worm, and a month later, everyone else did also. Now, since $M supplies most the email clients, worms and virus's are the daily norm. And since exchange is rampant in Corporate email servers, the spam problem is not going away. Most of the paper tigers out there running the exchange servers haven't got a clue on how to lock down a system.
It keeps the security folks in a job though
Corporations run exchange not just for mail, but for groupware functions. I'm forced to use it at work, because the use the calender functions heavly. The old Sun Calender tool worked better, but wasn't integrated into mail as well as Exchange does. This is the one weakness of the Open Software solutions.
The open source community needs to address this if we want to get a better solution then $M's exchange. Exchange is a pig, that's hard to back up, doesn't follow the SMTP protocals worth a damn, and doesn't scale. Integrating a Calender in a tool like Cyrus/Imap would be an exchange killer.
W.Kid
With SCO screaming SUE-SUE-SUE and Microsoft hollering WERE BETTER CAUSE WE HAVE PATCHES FASTER (What a Laugh!), the timing of this couldn't have
been worse.
Did you consider the fact that your doing as much to chase Corporate America away from linux as much as Microsoft is? How do you explain your timing on this announcement.
You Said:
"So overall, yes, LOTR doesn't have as much philosophy."
I disagree. The LOTR is filled with philosophy."
It points out the stupididy of war, and how the world is a place of give and take. Frodo fights to save middle earth, and yet ends up having to leave it. A true lesson in irony. There's so many philosophical lessons in the LOTR I couldn't begin to name them all. They've been blended into the story so seamlessly that they don't always stand out though.
The big deal isn't the movies. It's the books.
The books are a literary masterpiece. To make a movie with the details in the books would take 25-30 hours. The movies have hacked out most the details, and are not following the storyline that closely. I've heard talk about doing a movie on this series of books for 30 years, and I never, and still never believe they will be able to make a movie that captures the imagination and imagery created by the Lord of the Rings books.
I have to admit that the movie's a bad hack at the story line. If you really want to know what the story is about, read the books. I still enjoyed the movie, but the books are better.
Most of the pieces are in SMTP. Rather than scrapping SMTP, add better authentication up front. I hate to see anything relaying mail on the internet having to be registered, but it may come down to this. I'm recieving over a hundred spams a day.
This is pathetic.
GATOR IS SPYWARE
gator is spyware
GATOR IS SPYWARE
gator is spyware
GATOR IS SPYWARE
gator is spyware
GATOR IS SPYWARE
gator is spyware
GATOR IS SPYWARE
COME SUE ME YOU STUPID MORONS
And what's with this stupid SlashDot Lame filter!
The reason I wanted to use all caps is because I
was SHOUTING.
Note: posts like this only happen after To Many Beers!
Sounds like the Patriot act to me. They have a similar provision in the Patriot act. They also have clauses saying they can snoop on anyone, etc in the name of protecting us against terrorists.
But, who's going to protect us from Wacko FBI/Bobby/Unit/HMSS/CIA associates? Protecting our freedom, by eliminating it? Something is wrong with this picture.
You seem to have forgotten the Patriot Act in the
US. The UK isn't alone in the Government Fight against Freedom.
This data is GONE!!!
http://www.singsingsing.com/has3/drivewithslug.
Of course it matters! The Apple Bigots need the Apple cluster to be faster, and the Intel Bigots need the Intel cluster to be faster.
;)
One positive note though, Both the Apple and Intel clusters will be faster then the Microsloth cluster
It won't be the end, but it won't last long after that. Sco has no money. I figure that there will be about 3 months fighting over what's left of sco's money after they loose the case, And only 3 months cause that's about when they'll go chapter 7.
McBribe will probably be somewhere outside of the US and Europe by then, with all his cashed out stock profits. Unless, of course the fed's pick him up and throw him in with Bubba. I think McScum needs to spend some Quality time being Bubbas new Bo!
Most Investors read the Press Releases. Most of them are still licking there lips in antisipation on all that Linux Revenue.
When McThief skips outta the US, living in some tropical zone out of the US's and FTC's reach, assuming that the FTC and powers to be figure out what thier doing, then the investors will be SOL.
There is a slight difference between gates and
mcbribe.
gates made his money by squashing little companies and stealing there products. Then going to court and burying them in legal costs till they gave up.
McSlime is doing the the stock price grab and run. I just hope the FTC figures out what he's up to before he moves out of the US, so he can go to jail, and be Bubba's little bo.
This makes perfect sense.
1)
They make a plan to sell the stock (beforehand) and
register this with the SEC. This is front loaded as much as possible to get the most $$$. It's registered with the SEC, before anything is done.
2)
They discover SCO code is in the Linux Kernel. But its our IP, so you have to sign this non-disclosure so you can't ever touch LINUX again. Of course anyone involved with Linux won't sign it.
OH NO
SUE IBM --- SUE EVERYONE. HEY WE GOTTA SELL SCO UNIX LICENSES TO ALL LINUX USERS, CAUSE THERE USING OUR IP!
3)
SCO STOCK SOARS YEA, WERE MAKING MONEY AGAIN. And buy the way, all that stock were selling, was per a pre-arranged schedule that has nothing to do with this IP issue.
4)
Judge looks at all the code. When it's put in court, (a year or two later of course), it's discovered that some of the code is actually stolen BSD code, some of the code is IBM/Dynawhowever code, and some of the code was inserted by Caldera.
5)
Opps, Our mistake. Our lawyers said it was a valid IP issue. There bad.
6) SCO goes Chapter 7. Company Officers however, have sold BOATLOADS of stock at outragious profits.
7 SEC investigates. No WrongDueing. The stock selling plan was in place Long before any lawsuit was started. There good Company officers, taken in by a bunch of confused lawyers. McBribe is a honest CEO.
So much for a bunch of stupid stockholders's money.
This is what's going on IMHO.
Hey, some company bought SCO Linux Licenses, but SCO didn't disclose who it was. It was probably a company with $M in there name. But SCO would never publicly admit this.
You can't because you can't look at it without signing a NDA. Once you've signed the NDA, you can't write code for linux.
Anyway, I'll bet that at least 95% of the contributed code will be thrown out, and the remainder can be replaced very quickly.
The case is against IBM, not everyone else. Their letter will fall on deaf ears because any lawyer worth a hill of beans will see through there FUD.