25,000-Ton Amphibious Spam Relay

hormiga writes "The amphibious transport dock ship San Antonio incorporates the latest quality of life standards for the embarked Marines and sailors, including the sit-up berth, ship services mall, a fitness center and learning resource center/electronic classroom and Unsolicited Bulk E-Mail. Now the Chinese can relay their spam through U.S. military naval vessels." Well, Chinese spammers, anyhow.

Comments

That's an act of WAR!

[Thud457]

I hope http://www.news.navy.mil has a sense of humor about the dreaded /. DDOS attack that they're under!!! /lamer

Re:That's an act of WAR!

[swordboy]

Those damn Chinese Sons of Bitches!

Your tax dollars hard at work

[ForestGrump]

relaying spam to your inbox.

This is the ideal goverment. The tax dollars working directly for its citizens.
-Grump

Re:Your tax dollars hard at work

[$ASANY]

You've got to understand the situation. The Navy-Marine Corps Internet project and BTBest (at least for the MSC) TCP/IP commo suite got thrown at these ships without a lot of regard to the technical resources required to manage the whole ball of wax. Each of these ships has a rack of MS Windows boxes managing LAN, commo, logistics and everything else, and they have some Chief managing the equipment who is decidedly not a network engineer. On top of that he's got to play DBA for Sybase and Oracle databases, manage numerous applications, and deal with backup and disaster management. It's too much to realistically ask a guy who's background is a lot more "sailor" than "LAN/Database/application server adminstrator. At least not while we're paying senior enlisted guys what we are.

These technicial-draftees are extraordinarily busy. They're asked to manage really complex systems that are not terribly reliable. MS Exchange and Win2k require good people to keep them going, but throw database replication systems and the rest of their suite on top, and they spend more of their time crying for help to shoreside contractors than getting things fixed. That their MS Exchange server got penetrated is hardly a surprise given the number of fires these guys are regularly trying to keep under control.

If they can get professional DBA's and Network Engineers on each ship and this happens, then I'd raise hell. But there aren't a whole lot of MSCEs and DBAs that want to go on 9 month sea deployments of 16-hour days with the starting salary of an E-3, which I guess is about $800/month. In the meantime, scream at Lockheed Martin, the contractor for the Navy-Marine Corps Internet (NMCI) project, which has hosed up more than they have fixed. NMCI dictates identical configurations across all systems, which makes it really likely that the vulnerability we see here exists virtually everywhere in the Navy. Lockheed designed it this way, and got paid an enormous pile of cash to do so.

Maybe they owe us a refund?

Re:Your tax dollars hard at work

[ForestGrump]

What is with people modding today?
interesting?
I intended this to be a joke and expected "funny".
-grump

Re:Your tax dollars hard at work

[rabbits77]

Do you really think anybody gets paid $800 a month in the military? Maybe if they had incurred multiple severe fines for screwing up royally. I don't know what it is nowadays but when I was an E-1 about 10 years ago the pay was *struggles to remember* more like $1400 a month for the lowiest of the low E-1 nobody.

Re:Your tax dollars hard at work

[amspencer]

When I was an E-1 (1981), my base pay was $500 a month. Then I got a whopping 10% raise to $550.

Re:Your tax dollars hard at work

[Anonymous Coward]

$1,150.80 / month or just under $14K per year... Of course, I remember that as pretty much spending money - live in BEQ and eat at the mess most of the time.

am I the only one...

[bluenova]

who pictured a giant, floating, can of Hormel's spicy meat concoction, peeling back it's top to release aircraft and attack vehicles? My GI Joe collection never had one of those...

Re:am I the only one...

[phunhippy]

Yes.

Re:am I the only one...

[Anonymous Coward]

i like purty pictures... there is purty pictures at www.evolutionarydeadend.com

too bad when you hit "next" on the last page it screws up the frames....(duplicate home page inside the home page)

Re:am I the only one...

[Odin's Raven]

Am I the only one who thinks that any post starting with "Am I the only one..." is going to contain a thought that nobody else would ever, ever think?

Errrr, hang on a sec...Error: process 'raven' terminated abnormally, infinite recursion detected

Amphibious Spam Relay?

[Kirk Troll]

SOYLENT SPAM IS FROGS!!!

Re:Amphibious Spam Relay?

[limekiller4]

Kirk Troll writes:
"SOYLENT SPAM IS FROGS!!!"

Leave the French out of this.

Wrong move.

[Dark Lord Seth]

2000 gung-ho, pissed of marines with landing craft, naval support and air support vs pasty chinese spammer with goverment welfare support.

Re:Wrong move.

[Uma Thurman]

Another wrong move: Marines hate it when their ship gets slashdotted.

Re:Wrong move.

[dasmegabyte]

pasty chinese spammer with goverment welfare support

Who knows kung fu.

I mean, if we're gonna pull out racist stereotypes, let's pull them all out, huh?

Re:Wrong move.

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes. Most Chinese also have more 'tan' skin than most Americans and certainly most American Linux users. And in China there is no government welfare support. There is no welfare, and despite it being a 'communist' country there are no guaranteed jobs.

It looks like those in the US are the pasty ones on welfare.

Re:Wrong move.

[Anonymous Coward]

Just give me 20 aryan Waffen-SS men with real skills and discipline. Beats that stuff you scratched off the streets ("marines") anytime.

Re:Wrong move.

[Anonymous Coward]

It's not as though the average US marine can actually read the spam to begin with.

Re:Wrong move.

[Anonymous Coward]

"2000 gung-ho, pissed of marines with landing craft, naval support and air support vs pasty chinese spammer with goverment welfare support."

What, it takes 2000 of them?

Best get more men, it's a tough one.

Re:Wrong move.

[Lord_Dweomer]

"Who knows kung fu."

Keanu Reeves isn't chinese you insensitive clod!

Re:Wrong move.

[Anonymous Coward]

"Pasty spammer" is not a racial stereotype (note the difference between "racial" and "racist"). The use of "Chinese" merely identifies him/her by location.
There is no implication of racism or racial stereotyping here.

There is, however, an implication that you're a dork. Why? Because if somebody had written "pasty white American spammer from Boca Raton" you wouldn't have said a word, even though that's just as racial (or not; I expect most of them are both pasty and white, from spending all their time inside spamming).

Re:Wrong move.

[rifter]

Just give me 20 aryan Waffen-SS men with real skills and discipline. Beats that stuff you scratched off the streets ("marines") anytime.

Yeah, those Waffen SS.. they sure showed those Marines a thing or two in WWII... oh wait...

Re:Wrong move.

[Anonymous Coward]

Keanu Reeves is 1/4 Chinese, 1/4 Hawaiian (father), and 1/2 English (mother).

Re:Wrong move.

[Anonymous Coward]

-1 troll? Gimme a break, that was no troll. I really did live in East Asia for years, I really am married to an East Asian woman, and most East Asian guys really do have small dicks. The smallest dicks I've ever seen were on the guys in Thai porno flicks. Go get one and watch it if you don't believe me!

Re:Wrong move.

[Sacks]

in reply to: Just give me 20 aryan Waffen-SS men with real skills and discipline. Beats that stuff you scratched off the streets ("marines") anytime. For Historical fact: The last times that the Germans fought against the Marines was at the battle of Belleau Wood in WWI. The battle is still remembered today in the Marine Corps because that is where the Germans gave the US Marines the title "Teufen Huenden" or "Devil Dogs" (My appologies if I mispelled the german words). So your discription of what Germans would do to US Marines are already proven. If you make posts like that without knowing what your talking about, you will always be proved to be nothing but a fool.

Re:Wrong move.

[paganizer]

Well, technically, the Marines seldom encountered the Waffen SS in WWII, being primarily employed in the Pacific Theatre of operations; I would have to say that I don't recall reading about it ever happening, I think I do remember reading about some Marine units taking part in the invasion of Italy.

I'm certain that any Marine units who encountered the Waffen SS would have held up well, if they had come from the pacific theatre, especially that late in the war.

An interesting read on this sort of subject is a book called QJM:Quantitative Judgement Model, which rates the effective quality of troops; the German Infantryman scored 2nd highest overall the last time I read it, which was the mid 70's; First place was Israeli IDF, which is sort of Ironic when you think about it.

Re:Wrong move.

[Anonymous Coward]

Wow..you are in love.

Re:Wrong move.

[InadequateCamel]

You forgot "Can spin kick horizontally across a room by yelling "Tatsumaki Senpuu Kyaku"". If there is anything I have learned about those Asians it is watch out for Super Fireballs. :-)

Re:Wrong move.

[4ntifa]

Get your facts straight. They don't have welfare in "Red" China.

Re:Wrong move.

[SpaceJunkie]

I thought that was more to do with geeky-spammer asshole stereotypes than racist ones. I hate racism as much as the next guy(being a small part chinese my self). But I also hate pasty, dole-grabbing spammer types too.
Anyway - it is most likely to be an *american* who has found a badly secured chinese server, and used that to go through the vessel. China really needs to educate its computer users about this stuff(virii, security etc)... as they are now rapidly becoming a very large precentage of internet users.

Re:Wrong move.

[Anonymous Coward]

I believe that there was a company of Marines stationed in Iceland at the beginning of WWII. I seem to remember that they were actually transfered to the Army.
To my knowledge, No Marine unit was transfered to the European theatre before the war's end. The Pacific theatre fighting was still going on when Germany surrendered.

Re:Wrong move.

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't know where this idea of a chinese spammer comes from. From what I can see, the vast bulk of spammers are US-based and just use chinese servers to relay their messages through...

Re:Wrong move.

[Wolfrider]

(please forgive spelling)

HADOOOOOOKEN!!

Kokumadina.
( Siegfried, from Soul Calibur )

Yeesh...

[TopShelf]

Obviously, instead of sealing of ports, some poor yoeman went and sealed portholes...

yuk yuk yuk

"Red" Chinese?

[GnrlFajita]

Come on, now, keep up with the times. This spammer seems a little to capitalistic to describe as a "red."

Somebody's watched to many Cold-War-era action movies.

Re:"Red" Chinese?

[Anonymous Coward]

I thought they were yellow.

Re:"Red" Chinese?

[Anonymous Coward]

> Somebody's watched to many Cold-War-era action movies.

Yeah, post cold war the bad guys are Muslims - onscreen and off.

Re:"Red" Chinese?

[Anonymous Coward]

Have you never seen light Chinese skin?

If anything, some Chinese are literally white, and to them WE (the united white nerds of slashdot) are a disgusting brown.

Re:"Red" Chinese?

[capheind]

Thats funny. Lets look at the genecide scores here, Christians...many millions. Muslums ... yet to truely exterminate anyone. note: this is coming from an atheist who wishes the whole lotta ya would wake the hell up and get on with it.

Re:"Red" Chinese?

[Anonymous Coward]

>Thats funny. Lets look at the genecide scores here, Christians...many millions.
>Muslums ... yet to truely exterminate anyone.

Not through want of trying, though? It's just that they're too full of retro bullshit to thikn straight. Any Muslim nobel prize winners? Islam's past is just as violent. You could start with their attempt to eliminate the truly peaceful (rather that just paying lip service to the idea of peace) religion of Buddhism. And Christians haven't killed anyone in the name of Christianity for centuries, whereas ALL muslim terrorism and murder has been in the name of kooky religion.

And no, I'm not a fucking Christian either.

Roll on a French-style ban on displays of religion in the rest of the world.

Re:"Red" Chinese?

[jotok]

Lets look at the genecide scores here, Christians...many millions. Muslums ... yet to truely exterminate anyone

Respectfully suggest you check your facts.
Christians as a group haven't killed "many millions." We can attribute quite a bit of shit to them (including the Inquisition, religious wars, Salem Witch Hunts, etc.) but I would be suprised if the death toll reached any millions.

The greatest murderers in history are and will probably remain secularists: the Holocaust (13 million), Stalin's Gulags (~60 million), Pol Pot (~5 million), etc.

Re:"Red" Chinese?

[capheind]

Problem, Hitler was a devout roman catholic fighting for a non-denominational Christian state. Stalin was just a power mad loon. And for the record lets point out that Stalin government never outright banned religion and re-established the Russian orthedox church, hardly a secularist. I know squat about pol-pot, but ten to one he was a member of one of the semi-secular Asian philosophical belief systems, which while technically atheist is hardly what is usually meant by the term. So I think you need to recheck your terms. And by the way you left out the colonial period, which almost led to the extinction of several of my ancestral peoples.

Re:"Red" Chinese?

[jotok]

Fair enough.

Point of information, however (not to be pedantic)...the "reinstated" Orthodox church was an arm of the KGB. This is well-documented and I wouldn't cite it as evidence that Stalin (or any of those who followed him) were pro-any-religion.

As for Hitler being Roman Catholic...much less devout...hardly. Respectfully suggest you ignore Daniel Goldhagen and move on to some more scholarly works, if you haven't already.

The Big Names of the 20th century all applied the secular ideology of the times (eugenics, atheism, etc.) which is why secularism has a bad name in the first place... Not to sound patronising, but if I may...Suggested reading: The Humanist Manifesto Vols. 1-3. As presented these are all Bad Ideas. They could be made to work but most attempts to date seem to have resulted in mass murder.

Re:"Red" Chinese?

[capheind]

Read Mein Kampf, its a wholly religiose work. Hitler's dream was of a Christian religiose state. In fact both world wars pitted secular states (such as the US) against theocracies. In world war one It was primarily secular states against theocratic monarchies, and in world war two it was secular states against theocratic dictatorships. I think you need to step out of the Christian book store and read some less biased works. Or read Hitler's works directly, if you can stomach them (I barely could) they will give you an insight into both his loonicy and his faith. Here is a page devoted to tearing down the Christian myth that Hitler was an atheist http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm, I know you wont actually read it but its worth a shot. the fact Is Christians often claim a clean slate just by saying "Well they weren't REAL Christians", bullocks.

Re:"Red" Chinese?

[capheind]

From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/Asia-pacific/7898 8.stm Having studied at a Buddhist monastery and a Roman Catholic school, he won a scholarship in 1949 to study radio electronics in Paris.

Hardly an atheistic upbringing. as for your big names most of them in fact followed some religiose ideology, claiming they weren't Christians doesn't make it so, maybe you should actually read some first hand accounts.

by the way just because the church was state controlled doesn't make it any less a religiose institution, thats like saying the British monarchy is atheistic for establishing the Anglican church to con troll the people, or rather remove foreign control.

Re:"Red" Chinese?

[capheind]

As A quick addendum i would like to point out that although he rejected religion in preference to a sort of secular Marxism my point is that he was educated a Christian (and a Buddhist for that matter), as was Stalin, in fact Marxism is in no way inconsistent with Christian tradition, look at south America. In both cases it was Marxist philosophy, which is in no way inherent in secular thought. The fact is I am not claiming all madmen in history were Christians I'm just sick of this "our scat don't stink" attitude. Fundamentalists are the bad guys, people who think there are easy answers to complex problems, be he Marxist, or Christian, or Muslim, or even Buddhist.

Re:"Red" Chinese?

[capheind]

Oh I'm not saying that Muslims have never done anything wrong, I'm just saying that I am sick and tired of this bull that they are a bunch of evil savages and Christians are "the good guys". the fact is that even though Islam is not a religion of peace (there is no such thing) by and large they have a relatively peaceful history, at least compared to Europe.

Jeeze

[zeroprime]

...I just don't even know what to say
Perhaps we need to create a 'great firewall' of our own.

And to think that our tax dollars are being subverted to send spam.

Ignore them..

[Sir Pallas]

Just add the military to your email blacklist. They've been asking for it, I'm sure. I already have to filter most of what they say, anyway. I don't see why email should be any different. (Maybe the next line of ships will come with an oil spill too.)

Re:Ignore them..

[RobertB-DC]

Just add the military to your email blacklist.

Oh, man! Now how will I be able to join the Navy?

On the other hand, we'll always have Xanadu.

Blacklisting the United States Navy?

[tekiegreg]

Well if anyone tries blacklisting the ships, I guess there'd be a Tomahawk in their building in the name of national security :-p

But in all honesty, I'm sure (or at least I hope) more attention is given to the confidential systems than the SMTP server that the troops play around with...

Re:Blacklisting the United States Navy?

[Sir Pallas]

Hey, even though they get paid pretty well and don't pay taxes, those poor Navy guys might still want to make a little extra money on the side. This is just in time for the holidays!

Re:Blacklisting the United States Navy?

[trentblase]

I have my spam filter set to bounce all Tomahawk missles. If one does happen to get through, abuse@navy.mil is going to be hearing from me.

Re:Blacklisting the United States Navy?

[srmalloy]

I have my spam filter set to bounce all Tomahawk missles. If one does happen to get through, abuse@navy.mil is going to be hearing from me.

The Tomahawk's warhead does make for (if you will pardon the clicheed phrase) the 'mother of all DOS attacks', though...

Re:Blacklisting the United States Navy?

[Fjornir]

...that the troops..

Hey! This is about the _Navy_ dammit! They are _not_ "troops"! They're sailors, or bluejackets. Never troops. Even the brother-buggering-marines (My Ass Rides In Navy Equipped Ships) don't deserve to be called "troops".

Re:Blacklisting the United States Navy?

[Anonymous Coward]

That wasn't funny. Not at all.

And no, it's not because I am some kind of fag liberal pacifist. It was just not funny.

Re:Blacklisting the United States Navy?

[furasato]

Thats right!! Dont address Marines as troops. Address them as Marines, darnit!! Or Jarheads, Gyrines, or Devil Dogs. But, never, ever call them Corpsman.

Re:Blacklisting the United States Navy?

[Anonymous Coward]

They should be addressed as what they are: People Who Failed School. Or just FAILURES.

Re:Blacklisting the United States Navy?

[corellen]

Um FYI we pay taxes and have been for years. We only get tax exemption for going into combat zones and that is only for the time spent there. Also we are not atleast on the enlisted side not payed that well, when you consider that most young military familes are below the poverty line and are eligble for WIC and food stamps I fail to see how we are so well paid. Prolly just feeding the trolls with this response but ah well shit happens.

Re:Blacklisting the United States Navy?

[Fjornir]

LOL -- That's right! If they had half a brain in their fucking skulls they'd be Corpsman.

What's the sound shit makes when it hits the fan?

Maaa-reeeeeeen.

Re:Blacklisting the United States Navy?

[gokulpod]

well then, i beleive iraq and afghanistan came under DDoS attacks recently.

Part of the plan?

[Elyjah]

Perhaps the spamming facilities on the ship are part of a US initiative to disable enemy email infrastructure?

Re:Part of the plan?

[spicedhamhawg]

I doubt it. All they'd have to do to disable enemy email infrastructure is give them free copies of MS Exchange.

Inference noted, sarcasm queued

[Anonymous Coward]

Well of course this means we should shut down the entire Navy and scrap the entirety of the US Armed Forces just to be sure, since one ship out of nearly a dozen mailboats was left configured as an open relay.

Cos it's all Bush's fault. Personally his fault, that is. Right?

Re:Inference noted, sarcasm queued

[Anonymous Coward]

"Cos it's all Bush's fault. Personally his fault, that is. Right?"

Didn't Truman have a sign on his desk saying "The buck stops here"? I assume he wasn't refering to deer.

Re:Inference noted, sarcasm queued

[Anonymous Coward]

That doesnt mean the THOUSANDS of people in between Truman and a problem always got skipped over in favor of blaming him 100% of the time forever and ever.

Re:Inference noted, sarcasm queued

[Patrik_AKA_RedX]

Fuckin' libs. You should support the prez, no matter how much he fucks up!

You're a diehard Lemmings fan, aren't you?

Re:Inference noted, sarcasm queued

[Anonymous Coward]

Listen, when the US takes over the world and becomes a fascist country officially, guess what they're going to do with people like you.

Me, however, I'll be safe.

Re:Inference noted, sarcasm queued

[Anonymous Coward]

And ironically, it's a real shame that nothing will ever 'happen' to you if you're wrong about the US. You'll certainly never apologise or give your bullshit rantings a second thought.

Makes me ill knowing our system of government and Constitution actually protect knobs like you. Course, you've got to have the shit after the meal eventually, right? Everyone has their part to play, even you.

Re:Inference noted, sarcasm queued

[Anonymous Coward]

You'll be getting the chair sooner or later, commie.

Re:Inference noted, sarcasm queued

[DankNinja]

I never thought I would be a "conservative" (an ultra-moderate...but still conservative) after all the stereotypes and brainwashing about what conservatives are supposed to look and act like.
But...after I discovered that liberals are basically
childish socialists, I quickly realigned myself politically.

Re:Inference noted, sarcasm queued

[Patrik_AKA_RedX]

guess what they're going to do with people like you.

Me, however, I'll be safe.

Wel, they'll probably shoot me for being an intellectual (I can read, write and count).
You, however, will indeed be safe from that.

Re:Inference noted, sarcasm queued

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm so glad I'm not an irrelevant Belgian. Explain that you're an intellectual to the Tomahawk that'll be hitting your house, eurotrash.

Re:Inference noted, sarcasm queued

[steeviant]

And when the insurgence starts, guess what the guerillas are going to do with people like you. :D

Re:Inference noted, sarcasm queued

[Anonymous Coward]

Even you Bush supporters admit he's a total fuck-up! Hahaha, that's really hilarious.

Re:Inference noted, sarcasm queued

[Patrik_AKA_RedX]

First: I'm not Belgian. I'm from Flanders. Secondly: Where are you going to get a Tomahawk that would actually hit the right target? Before you launch, give me some time to warn the hospitals around here to start evacuating.

slashdotters in the military?

[prgrmr]

Could be:

telnet 205.67.231.235 25
Trying...
Connected to 205.67.231.235.
Escape character is '^]'.
421 avnavfw.AVONDALE Sorry, the firewall does not provide mail service to you.
Connection closed.

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[DJ Rubbie]

421 avnavfw.AVONDALE Sorry, the firewall does not provide mail service to you.

It seems like they can't figure out the difference between a mail server and a firewall. If you can connect to the port it is not firewalled off, rather the mail server prevents you from using it.

Reminds me of the slew of buzzwords used in the movie Swordfish.

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[Anonymous Coward]

if I read that right, it means you attempted to connect on the standard SMTP port and got rejected, meaning it's unable to send mail from an unauthenticated user or unrecognized machine.

in other words, it's a closed relay and this whole story is a non-story.

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[mattdm]

If you can connect to the port it is not firewalled off, rather the mail server prevents you from using it.

How do you know the firewall isn't generating that message? A firewall can dd more than just drop packets.

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[prgrmr]

in other words, it's a closed relay and this whole story is a non-story.

It was closed when I hit it. Can't say how long it had been in that state, hence my speculative subject line.

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[GoofyBoy]

>Reminds me of the slew of buzzwords used in the movie Swordfish.

The tv show 24 really basterizes computer terms.

"Mount the filter to my screen so I can route it through the log files."

Still a good show.

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[prgrmr]

A firewall can dd more than just drop packets.

If you have a firewall that can dd drop[ed] packets, then have I got a deal on a bridge for you!

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[cscx]

Maybe it's an SMTP proxy.

It seems like YOU can't figure out what you're talking about.

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[AKnightCowboy]

It seems like they can't figure out the difference between a mail server and a firewall. If you can connect to the port it is not firewalled off, rather the mail server prevents you from using it.

You sound like a typical "I installed ipchains on my Linux box so I am a firewall admin" n00b. Ever hear of proxy firewalls? Sheesh.

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[schon]

have I got a deal on a bridge for you!

Bridges are passe - tell him it's a router :o)

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[Anonymous Coward]

An SMTP proxy is a gateway to an SMTP server, which is basically a server, if you can connect to it.

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[DJ Rubbie]

Error 421 is an error code returned by a mail server (or an SMTP proxy, if some of you are *that* picky) that means service unavailable.

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[mattdm]

I *swear* I typed "o" and slashdot tr/o/d/'d it.

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[jdreed1024]

It seems like they can't figure out the difference between a mail server and a firewall. If you can connect to the port it is not firewalled off, rather the mail server prevents you from using it.

Um, no. It is possible for a firewall to exist such that if you connect to it on port 25, and you're authorized to talk to that site's mail server, it passes your packets through the firewall and on to the mail server. If you are not authorized, it either drops your packets on the floor, or respond with a message such as this one. 421 is the RFC822 code for "service not available". Just because a machine answers on 25 does not mean it's a "mail server" (tm). What it's saying is "I am not going to provide mail service to you because I don't know your IP address." 'Mail service" simply means "access to some sort of MTA". It does not imply that the machine is in fact a mail server masquerading as a firewall. There are such things a proxy firewalls, and that's clearly what this is.

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[Anonymous Coward]

For the fun, not yet tried an nmap against it? Seems to be an AIX 4.1, some interresting open ports

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[Medieval]

That's a message from Symantec Enterprise Firewall (Raptor Firewall.)

Its an SMTP proxy; if you try to connect to the firewall or an SMTP server on the far side of it on port 25 (or other configured ports) and there's no rule allowing it, you get this message.

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[Anonymous Coward]

A good show?

It makes me want to puke, but it is good enough for me.... TO POOP ON.

I rather like Conan O'Brien's hit TV show "60".

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[MarcQuadra]

I was with a few friends at the bar, one said he was gonna bail to go catch '24' and I asked if it was really that good. He guaranteed that I'd fall in love with it if I gave it an episode, so I left too. We get in and turn on '24' and I could only bear it for about 15 minutes, the mangled geekspeak was too much for me to handle.

There's another 'antiterror' drama on too, one episode they landed a cargo plane on a carrier (which has been done, once). The show was just SO lame though, there was NO regard for proper portrayal of millitary protocol or the technical limitations of ANY equipment. I was just sitting there thinking, "what good is it if the hero's guns never run out of ammo and their cargo planes can dodge missiles?"

I think hollywood would be well served if they hired a kid for $30,000 / year to sit in with the writers and make sure there was enough realism in the shows to make them... acceptable.

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[Anonymous Coward]

"can you pipe that through to my console" is also an often ussed term in 24 As they switched to cisco voip phones in series 3, I think I already know what the next one will be about. jack trying to get a new IOS Version for the crashed telephone system, and making sure he has the correct IOS train for their type of phone system....and all of this must be done within 24 hours!

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[zangdesign]

Hollywood isn't about technical accuracy - it's about making the stuff on the screen interesting by use of special effects, tricks, gags, mummery, and occasionally acting.

When you stare at the production script, there isn't a whole lot of detail there. The things like how many times a gun fires and damage effects and whatnot are not up to the writer in most cases. It's all decided by whoever they've hired to handle effects, or sometimes the director, and occasionally by someone with real expertise in the field, but more likely enough expertise in the field, but more expertise in keeping it interesting.

Or to put it another way

Technical accuracy is boring to most theatre-goers.

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[Anonymous Coward]

well, it may not be the *most secure* way of doing things, but it's not unheard of to find a mail server running on the same box as the firewall...

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[the pickle]

There's another 'antiterror' drama on too, one episode they landed a cargo plane on a carrier (which has been done, once).

That isn't an anti-terror drama. It's JAG.

The original landing of a C-130 Hercules, a quad-turboprop transport plane weighing in excess of 85,000 pounds, on a carrier deck, on which that episode of JAG was (very) loosely based, occurred in October of 1963 and was achieved by Lt. James H. Flatley III. He later received the Distinguished Flying Cross for this amazing feat.

Perhaps the "antiterror drama" you're thinking of is "Threat Matrix" on ABC. It's actually a good show, and doesn't mangle jargon/geek terminology.

p

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[SpaceJunkie]

This means - most of mainstream to which they are pandering would ignore the geekspeak - so they just make up buzzword technobabble. The geeks who would notice this are such a minority that there is no point spending money or time being accurate.

If they did attempt it- theres always a possibility that it would be edited back to nonsense by a non-technical director or producer, who would rather it sounded "impressive" than accurate.

"I would probably need to re-route the primary flux-phased-subspace-inducer..."

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[Anonymous Coward]

Which is funny, cause echo 'tr/o/d/ | tr -d '/' gives you trod, which is of course what slashdot did to your 'o'.

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[drfishy]

I can see it now... "OMG! He's running his Athlon XP 3200 on a 333Mhz FSB, the horror!!!" The kid wouldn't last a week...

Re:slashdotters in the military?

[Wolfrider]

> Technical accuracy is boring to most theatre-goers.

--I find your lack of faith in theatre-goers... Disturbing.

ORBs

[Anonymous Coward]

One US ship just got sent or ORBit.

Server suddenly gone

[Otter]

Hmmm, the elistx.com site seems to have been suddenly obliterated. Probably the Navy got it...

Re:Server suddenly gone

[Otter]

"Score:3, Interesting"?!? I was just making a lame Slashdotting crack -- somebody needs to go join Madeline Albright and Jim McDermott in conspiracy nut rehab!

If I'd said something about SCO and $699, I'd be sitting at +5 by now...

Re:Server suddenly gone

[Anonymous Coward]

"If I'd said something about SCO and $699, I'd be sitting at +5 by now...

Not if the phrase "cock-smoking teabagger" was in your post.

Re:Server suddenly gone

[RLW]

Good Grief.

/. is bogging for the nerds by the nerds. It is self nerding, uh, regulating. The point is to allow the cream of the crop of messages to bubble up in points. Because it is regulated by many different people there will be many mod-ings that appear questionable: which may require wading through a few more comments than one may want.

If all you really care about is getting a +5 then just keep posting about SCO and $699. Throw in some M$FT bashing and you'll have no end of positive moderator comments to boost your ego.

On the other hand if you are interested in a blog for the masses (nerdly masses that is) then /. works pretty well. If you have practical suggestions for making /. work better then write and submit an article about how you would go about doing that. I'm sure we'd all love to hear your suggestions.

Re:Server suddenly gone

[Fjornir]

...if you are interested in a blog for the masses (nerdly masses that is) then /. works pretty well. If you have practical suggestions for making /. work better then write and submit an article about how you would go about doing that. I'm sure we'd all love to hear your suggestions....

I'm the first to admit I'm a /. n00b (hAhA - fr1st pr0st on the subject of Fjornir's n00bness) -- I've been playing this stupid game for a bit less than three years... But what makes you think the /. editors would run such a story?

Re:Server suddenly gone

[1u3hr]

If you have practical suggestions for making /. work better then write and submit an article about how you would go about doing that. I'm sure we'd all love to hear your suggestions.

1) Spellcheck articles
2) Check for dupes.

Since both of these would be trivial to implement, and both have been suggested thousands of times, I conclude that actually suggestions are not welcome.

Re:Server suddenly gone

[RLW]

Well, you got me there. I don't know what would make me think the editors would run such a story. I would hope that the /. powers that be would be open all suggestions which are technically plausible with in the budget they have to run such an operation. It may be that this is already at that level.

Re:Server suddenly gone

[RLW]

I agree it would be nice to have a build in spell checker.

I have no idea how they could implement a check for dupes.

Re:Server suddenly gone

[Anonymous Coward]

Checking for dupes is simple, just look for CowboyNeal as the poster ;)

Too late

[Hoi Polloi]

Judging from my mailbox (aka spambox) at home I'd say that the email infrastructure has already been disabled.

Re:Too late

[XeroDegrees]

No spam filtering method has met my expectations but its so obvious which ones are spam
DAMMIT I'm gonna learn programming and write my own spam filter, and if that doesnt work.....

#include
_
int mouth (_)
{
cout "Brains";
return 0;
}

Save as goodbyeworld.cpp

Re:Too late

[XeroDegrees]

Shoulda read

#include(deserteagle.h)
_
int mouth (_)
{
cout "Brains";
return 0;
}

Save as goodbyeworld.cpp

must use preview button more often

This is a good thing!

[Guano_Jim]

In the event of Taiwan's declaring independence from the mainland, we can instantly flood Beijing with ads for penis enlargement!

That will slow down the PRC armies long enough for us to convince them that they don't really need Tawian and should focus on switching over to an economy based on turkey guts.

Evangelizing turkey guts since mid-2003.

Re:This is a good thing!

[infinite9]

we can instantly flood Beijing with ads for penis enlargement!


What a cash cow! With their average length, that market must be screaming for this product.

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

Re:This is a good thing!

[Anonymous Coward]

Does it matter over there? Because like, their women are smaller, too.

Text of the Article

[iamweezman]

The ship supports the Marine Corps "mobility triad," the LCAC
(Landing Craft Air Cushion vehicle), the "Triple A-V" (AAAV -
Advanced Amphibious Assault Vehicle) and the MV-22 (Osprey
tiltrotor aircraft),

and (apparently) spammers in Guandong. Rd China.

Furthermore, San Antonio incorporates the latest quality of life
standards for the embarked Marines and sailors, including the sit-up
berth, ship services mall, a fitness center and learning resource
center/electronic classroom

and Unsolicited Bulk E-Mail.

Of course, it's possible that one of the OTHER eleven ships, still under
construction, is the Avondale, LA dot-MIL spam relay, or trojaned boat,
or some nice-and-secure Windows box in the construction drydocks, running
Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13

But doesn't it make all Americans feel all fuzzy and secure that a
Red Chinese spammer can abuse a US Naval Vessel of one of the newest
designs, to relay his "business proposition"?

Perhaps it's tied to the USS Green Bay, instead? or USS New Orleans?
http://www.navsea.navy.mil/newswire_content.asp?tx tDataID=8963&txtTypeID=2

The USS Mesa Verde, seems to be in Mississippi, instead
http://www.navsea.navy.mil/newswire_content.asp?tx tDataID=8663&txtTypeID=2

But the E-Mail headers finger the USS San Antonio, LPD 17, already
christened, and due for commissioning some time this coming year.

LPD 17 Looks Like a "Gator"

http://www.navsea.navy.mil/newswire_content.asp?tx tDataID=8596&txtTypeID=2

but from here, it just looks like another spammer.

[SPECIMEN]
H: Return-Path:
H: Received: from avnavfw.lpd17.navsea.navy.mil
H: (avnavfw.pms317.navy.mil [05.67.231.235])
H: by mail.gtcs.com (8.12.10/8.11.3/gtcs-6.3.8) with SMTP
H: id hBG65HO8091853
H: for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:06:39 -0700 (MST)
H: (envelope-from: )
H: X-Authentication-Warning: serv.gtcs.com: Host
H: avnavfw.pms317.navy.mil [205.67.231.235]
H: claimed to be avnavfw.lpd17.navsea.navy.mil
H: Received: from no.name.available by anavfw.lpd17.navsea.navy.mil
H: via smtpd (for [209.181.16.1]) with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 05:53:08 UT
H: Received: from avnavfw.AVONDALE (205.67.231.5 [205.67.231.5]) by
H: swn-email.lpd17.navy.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail
H: Service Version 5.5.2653.13)
H: id YY2BDP4P; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:07:28 -0600
H: From: "HuatonE-ScooterCo.,Ltd"
H: Received: from [61.145.234.62] by avnavfw.AVONDALE
H: via smtpd (for [205.66.99.30]) with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 05:51:47 UT
H: Subject: Re.About our new product
H: Content-Type: text/html
H: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:57:41 +0800
H: X-Priority: 3

[extract from HTML body]
B: Our company specializes in exporting electric & gas scooters, which
B: are most popular with our customers at home and abroad. Now we are
B: writing to offer you an opportunity to develop a mutual trade. If
B: you are interested in establishing business relations with us, please
B: let us know your requirements. Then we would like to forward catalogues
B: as well as detailed information to you, and offer the best price to
B: you. We assure you of our best attention to your any inquiries.
B: We anticipate your early response in respect.

B: Huaton E-scooter Co., Ltd.
B: Room.B-202,Building Si-Hai-Ming-Yuan
B: Burg Weiji,Zone Gongbei
B: City Zhuhai 519020
B: Province Kwangtung,China
B: Tel:86-756-821-6922
B: Fax:86-756-888-3037 ...

Spam support by:
The US Navy, Avondale Lousiana Shipyard, Frewall, a

San Antonio has NOT been compromised

[MyNameIsFred]

I hate to destroy part of a good story. But San Antonio is NOT, repeat NOT the spam relay. LANs on ships are NOT connected to the Internet. The military has its own non-public networks for ships. Furthermore, San Antonio has NOT been delivered to the Navy. It is still under construction. That's the good news. The bad news, is that a Navy site has been compromised. The headers give us some clues. avnavfw.pms317.navy.mil is a Navy address. PMS317 is the Navy program office responsible for building the San Antonio class of ships. Avondale Shipyard is where the ships are built.

Re:San Antonio has NOT been compromised

[RobertB-DC]

I hate to destroy part of a good story.

I think the proper terminology in this case would be, "I hate to torpedo part of a good story."

Then again... maybe not.

Re:San Antonio has NOT been compromised

[Cygnusx12]

"I hate to torpedo part of a good story."

Sure, but anyone else getting the sinking feeling about the navy's networks? (rimshot) .. Talk about scraping bottom...

Re:San Antonio has NOT been compromised

[Anonymous Coward]

avnavfw.pms317.navy.mil


Maybe it was that time of the month?

Re:San Antonio has NOT been compromised

[schon]

anyone else getting the sinking feeling about the navy's networks? (rimshot)

Gawd, but those jokes are all wet.

Better quit before you're all washed up!

Re:San Antonio has NOT been compromised

[jmkaza]

LANs on ships are NOT connected to the Internet

I spent a year on ship, and sent/received email, surfed the web, and filed my maintainance reports and supply requests from the same pc. There was limits on what we could do, but we were definitely connected to the net.

Re:San Antonio has NOT been compromised

[Qrlx]

I agree. You guys have really gone overboard with these jokes.

I was gonna say something funny, but this thread is so bad, I just said frigate.

Re:San Antonio has NOT been compromised

[frkiii]

The ship's network is listing badly, she canna' take no more, Cap'ain.

Re:San Antonio has NOT been compromised

[beefneck9]

Most commands/ships keep a strict separation between personal and official use computers. This includes using completely separate LAN's onboard for each purpose. Surfing eBay or watching Paris get freaky while reading the Steam Plant Manual just won't happen. unclass stuff, sure, go ahead. But if you were doing anything mixing personal stuff on a classified station, you must be talking to us from USP Leavenworth's library.

Re:San Antonio has NOT been compromised

[Phexro]

If you can't start making respectable jokes, I'm afraid I'll have to keel you.

Consider this a stern warning.

Re:San Antonio has NOT been compromised

[Anonymous Coward]

If you can't start making respectable jokes, I'm afraid I'll have to keel you.

Consider this a stern warning.

MIEN EYES!!!! THEY BURN!!!

Special.

[sparkie]

Naval ships have had internet access before this ship. As a Marine I've sent and received E-Mails from more than 1 or 2 ships in the fleet.

Re:Special.

[k3vmo]

Except in most cases they were relayed through land systems to the rest of the net. Not all of these systems(including mail) are private.

Re:Special.

[xyzzy]

Right, but the distinction here is that the Email does not generally come delivered directly from the *ship*, but from some stateside server, probably part of NMCI (the Navy Marine Corps Internet). There are N firewalls between here and there, if for no other reason than the bandwidth from ship to shore is INCREDIBLY small (like: 256kbit for the entire ship, secure, classified, public, you name it). It would make a LOUSY spam relay.

Re:Special.

[Teflonatron]

You were using NIPRNET, which is connected to the Internet at only a few (very controlled) locations in the world...

Any sensitve IP communications are handled over SIPRNET, which is never (or should never be) connected to NIPRNET.

Re:Special.

[borgboy]

Don't say that too loud or some idiot will claim you're wrong

Re:Special.

[fisgreen]

It would make a LOUSY spam relay.

A ship a sea, absolutely. However, bandwidth varies wildly by platform. Carriers (and a few others) have Challenge Athena which is some serious pipe.

On the other hand, pierside, even the smallest ships quite often have T1 quality connections or better. While there are still excellent shore-side firewalls, a poorly managed shipboard network can be badly exploited.

Re:Special.

[Anonymous Coward]

keep believing that. Though they shouldnt be connected (and I wold love meet the ISSM/ISSO that proposes that), sensitive info, up to Secret, is going out over NIPRNET (They have some really neat toys out there that encrypts communication).

I've heard

[Lipongo]

Of spam in a Can, but never spam in a boat.

Re:I've heard

[jamonterrell]

I do not like cans of spam, sam-I-am, and I will not eat them from a boat!

At least .mil servers are good at relaying spam...

[jamonterrell]

...because they certainly aren't relaying webpages very good at the moment.

Someone want to post the article?

Are we sure this isn't SPAM lunch meat?

[Anonymous Coward]

After all, this *is* the Navy.

MAKE IT BIGGER 39586-184=50

[trentblase]

It's true, women prefer men with LARGE GOVERNMENTS. Communism can help you regrow hair, and in communist societies there's no reason to spam!

Secure chat rooms, unsecure email

[Chatmag]

As we reported in our annual report of the top ten Internet chat topics for 2003, the U.S. Navy uses secure chat rooms for communication on board ships.

Apparently they missed securing their email server. I wonder if keelhauling is still allowed.

Re:Secure chat rooms, unsecure email

[Anonymous Coward]

Keel hauled on a 634 foot ship ... man I think the spammer needs that more than the ships sys admin. I know I couldn't hold my breath that far and long...

Man your inboxes...

[Hoi Polloi]

You'd end up with 2000 Marines busy churning through hundreds of penis enlargement, bigger boobs, refinancing, debt-free, horny teens, etc ads. I expect they'd resent the penis enlargement ads the most.

Sure they wouldn't attack Nigeria though? After all, they'd want to collect on those millions they were promised by Mr Sebeko, cousin of the ex-Finance Minister.

Re:Man your inboxes...

[mpe]

You'd end up with 2000 Marines busy churning through hundreds of penis enlargement, bigger boobs, refinancing, debt-free, horny teens, etc ads. I expect they'd resent the penis enlargement ads the most.

Since there are spammers who spam about "anti-spam" tools does this mean arms dealers will be getting in on the act.
"To cut down on yore SPAM you can now buy everything from torpedos to nuklear kruise missiles at a *BARGIN* price..."

Re:Man your inboxes...

[inode_buddha]

Imagine being addressed as "Mr. Sea-Man..." by one of those ads...

ouch*ow! that hurts!

Re:Man your inboxes...

[dagnabit]

that's nukUlar... get it right! :)

Re:Man your inboxes...

[furasato]

No, see, you're wrong and you obviously have never been in the Marines. We do care about our penis size and some of us did buy pumps. Not me, of course. Really, all of those ads you listed could pertain to the Marines. Half are in debt because of spending all of thier money at some buy-me-drinkee bar without ever getting a piece. We bought skin mags all the time, so horny teen ads are free!!

Re:Man your inboxes...

[Anonymous Coward]

nuclear penis enlargement?

Re:Man your inboxes...

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah, you better care about your penis size, because as we all know only small-penised guys join the gay brigade (Marines).

Re:Man your inboxes...

[MAPA3M]

I always found this rather ironic.... penis enlargement emails coming FROM China.....


In the words of John Cleese: "Oh well.. you'll laugh later"

Re:Man your inboxes...

[Anonymous Coward]

>I always found this rather ironic.... penis enlargement emails coming FROM China.....

Why? 'cause their penises are already so large, they wouldn't know if it really works or not?

OIC, cause they all have tiny dinks, it is ironic that they would try to sell snake-oil to make *someone else's* larger instead of using it themselves? ...your post make no sense - have heap-big doodoo on your face.

Re:Man your inboxes...

[Anonymous Coward]

I expect they'd resent the penis enlargement ads the most.

I don't know. The ex-Marine in some of the pictures at this site looks like he could use some of those pills. He's the white guy, not the black guy.

Re:Man your inboxes...

[steeviant]

Oh, I thought it was "new-killer".

Re:Man your inboxes...

[Xugumad]

The best one of these I've seen has to have been the one that came from a UK address. Great move, spam-boy.

slashdotted

[penguinoid]

All your bandwith are belongink to us.

Re:slashdotted

[Anonymous Coward]

[sarcasm]That is possibly the best Russian Chinese accent ever.

[/sarcasm]

You can help stop the spam

[Anonymous Coward]

Whenever you get spam asking for somthing where they call you back. Submit information with a false name so that when they call you you know how they called you.

I did this today and I was called by "Protect America" they said they're in Austin TX.

"Jack" and "Ben Rodrigues" were puzzled why I found their marketting technique rude. They have no SPAM policy whatsoever. Don't believe me ? Call them at 1-877-230-1739 and ask them for their SPAM policy.

Re:You can help stop the spam

[Anonymous Coward]

I find your comment very interesting, yet it only works for those in the US. Why don't these stupid US spammers filter out addresses outside of the US? So much spam is wasted as much asks you to ring 1800 numbers, etc.

Re:You can help stop the spam

[Anonymous Coward]

Call them at 1-877-230-1739 ...

Googling the phone number produces Wells Fargo.

http://www.wellsfargo.com/biz/products/credit/expr essone/cardholder_area/promo.jhtml

Seems like Wells Fargo is behind the spam too.

Sounds like it's time to call the state Attourney.

Text of the Article

[Jonah Hex]

Subject: [IP] 25,000 ton spam relay, with photos of it!]

* From: Dave Farber <dave@farber.net>
* To: ip@v2.listbox.com
* Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:08:55 -0500

At 09:59 AM 12/16/2003, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
[ Doesn't it just make you feel all safe and cozy when the people
responsible for our defense are allowing military hardware to be
hijacked to relay spam?

---Rsk ]

----- Forwarded message from Bruce Gingery <bg7341@GTCS.COM> -----

> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:48:14 -0700
> From: Bruce Gingery <bg7341@GTCS.COM>
> Subject: Spam, Block: 25,000 ton spam relay, with photos of it!
> To: SPAM-L@PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
>
> ANNOUNCING: The amphibious transport dock and spam relay
>
> http://www.news.navy.mil/list_all.asp?id=8488
> Zoom-in
> http://www.news.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=4553
> http://www.news.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=2746
>
> > The ship supports the Marine Corps "mobility triad," the LCAC
> >(Landing Craft Air Cushion vehicle), the "Triple A-V" (AAAV -
> > Advanced Amphibious Assault Vehicle) and the MV-22 (Osprey
> > tiltrotor aircraft),
>
> and (apparently) spammers in Guandong. Red China.
>
> > Furthermore, San Antonio incorporates the latest quality of life
> > standards for the embarked Marines and sailors, including the sit-up
> > berth, ship services mall, a fitness center and learning resource
> > center/electronic classroom
>
> and Unsolicited Bulk E-Mail.
>
> Of course, it's possible that one of the OTHER eleven ships, still under
> construction, is the Avondale, LA dot-MIL spam relay, or trojaned boat,
> or some nice-and-secure Windows box in the construction drydocks, running
> Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13
>
> But doesn't it make all Americans feel all fuzzy and secure that a
> Red Chinese spammer can abuse a US Naval Vessel of one of the newest
> designs, to relay his "business proposition"?
>
> Perhaps it's tied to the USS Green Bay, instead? or USS New Orleans?
> http://www.navsea.navy.mil/newswire_content.asp?tx tDataID=8963&txtTypeID=2
>
> The USS Mesa Verde, seems to be in Mississippi, instead
> http://www.navsea.navy.mil/newswire_content.asp?tx tDataID=8663&txtTypeID=2
>
> But the E-Mail headers finger the USS San Antonio, LPD 17, already
> christened, and due for commissioning some time this coming year.
>
> > LPD 17 Looks Like a "Gator"
>
> http://www.navsea.navy.mil/newswire_content.asp?tx tDataID=8596&txtTypeID=2
>
> but from here, it just looks like another spammer.
>
> [SPECIMEN]
> H: Return-Path: <lugbkbgkd@ms13.hinet.net>
> H: Received: from avnavfw.lpd17.navsea.navy.mil
> H: (avnavfw.pms317.navy.mil [205.67.231.235])
> H: by mail.gtcs.com (8.12.10/8.11.3/gtcs-6.3.8) with SMTP
> H: id hBG65HO8091853
> H: for <[victim]>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:06:39 -0700 (MST)
> H: (envelope-from: <lugbkbgkd@ms13.hinet.net>)
> H: X-Authentication-Warning: serv.gtcs.com: Host
> H: avnavfw.pms317.navy.mil [205.67.231.235]
> H: claimed to be avnavfw.lpd17.navsea.navy.mil
> H: Received: from no.name.available by avnavfw.lpd17.navsea.navy.mil
> H: via smtpd (for [209.181.16.1]) with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 05:53:08 UT
> H: Received: from avnavfw.AVONDALE (205.67.231.5 [205.67.231.5]) by
> H: swn-email.lpd17.navy.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail
> H: Service Version 5.5.2653.13)
> H: id YY2BDP4P; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:07:28 -0600
> H: From: "HuatonE-ScooterCo.,Ltd"

I always wondered

[stoolpigeon]

what the other part of the deal was that Clinton made with the Chinese for campaign funds. I knew it had to be more than just ICBM tech.

The Marines R

[Anonymous Coward]

ON TeH SPOKE!/!/!

Re:The Marines R

[Anonymous Coward]

Whats with teh spoke and the Yoda Doll? I MUST KNOW THESE THINGS!

Re:Military tortures Saddam

[Anonymous Coward]

As a retired American military officer I have to say that this is absolutely disgraceful. We should not be lowering ourselves to his level of human repugnance by torturing him, no matter how horribly he treated his people.

Blocking all email?

[phorm]

Yes, but wouldn't this also mean they couldn't accept incoming emails?

Re:Blocking all email?

[Phaid]

No, because that machine is not the MX server for its domain. The mail server which actually handles mail for that domain relays mail to avnavfw.pms317.navy.mil and is no doubt allowed to do so by the firewall.

Movin' High-Tech to China!

[Anonymous Coward]

****

"We hope the United States will open more to China, especially in the high-tech sector." ****

What was that grade again.....

[common middle name]

Didn't the DOD just get a grade of F
for network security?

Re:What was that grade again.....

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually, I think they were the one group that didn't get an F.

Re:What was that grade again.....

[the pickle]

Didn't the DOD just get a grade of F for network security?

Nope. You're thinking of the Department of Homeland Security, proud owners of a $90 million contract with Microsoft.

Absolutely f*cking brilliant, I tell you. Absolutely f*cking brilliant. Your tax dollars at work.

ARRRRRRRRGH!

p

As soon as..

[herrvinny]

As soon as I saw this on /.'s front page, I went "Oh dear God"... Anyone else think, when glancing at the headline, that spammers had purchased a retired boat, put it in international waters, and spammed away from it?

Then I RTFA'ed. Pretty sad that military servers are compromised by nothing other than some stupid spammers. Makes you think what Chinese or other rogue government sponsored hackers could do to our systems if we even went to war with them....

The next war, if we fight it with a non african or Middle Eastern country, is going to involve cyber assualts. Hope the Pentagon is going to firm up their defenses more, both electronically and physically. Maybe they can even get the services of Akamai; they're practically DDOS-proof.

Re:As soon as..

[grub]

Then I RTFA'ed.

If this is true, you'd be the first one today.

Re:As soon as..

[Derkec]

Yup, that's what I thought as well. The thought "they couldn't afford that" went through my mind so I assumed some enterprising enterprise who needed web connectivity on its boats was being a facilitator. Didn't think that the US Navy would be the guilty part though.

Re:As soon as..

[d-rock]

I have a feeling that the important systems on the ship are completely isolated from anything with Internet access. I knew a guy who installed servers at military bases and each person would have two computers at their desk, one connected to the Internet (through a firewall and some other stuff), and one on the sensitive side. Also something like the screen on the sensitive side had wallpaper like "Danger!Danger!Danger!Danger!", etc.

Derek

Re:As soon as..

[Myrcurial]

Actually, I was having visions of Snow Crash... the raft comes to life, with spammers instead of cable executives...

Re:As soon as..

[LiquidCoooled]

Microsoft want to do this with their Palladiu^K^K^K^K Spywar^K^K^K^K^K^K next-generation secure computing base.

The window frame and cursor over Secured content would make it absolutely clear that you were viewing confidential data.

Scary stuff really, but I for one believe the military should NOT use consumer or even business grade software anyway.

I think its just candy for the bossess of big companies that want to play at James Bond fantasies, and imagine their data is worth anything.

Re:As soon as..

[drinkypoo]

I've done tech support (For Tivoli Systems) for guys at military sites and I basically had three guys on the phone; one guy was at the phone, one guy was at the computer, and there was a third guy standing in a doorway in between them yelling stuff back and forth. Seems that the telephone has to be a certain distance away from the computer they were running TME10 on, and not just that, but in another room, with a self-closing door, and they're not allowed to prop the door open unless they use a human for the purpose. So in some cases, the air gap is required ot be pretty wide.

You will not eat them in a boat?

[Anonymous Coward]

You will not eat them in a boat?

Would you eat them in a goat?

Security policy?

[JawFunk]

Hope this thing never goes into battle, or the enemy would be soial engineering every sailor maning their email whileunder atack to sabotage their maneuvers.

Not to worry

[r_j_prahad]

If these boats are nodes on the controversial new Navy-Marine Corps-Internet, it'll be down for repair most of the time.

Amphi?

[Scrameustache]

What makes the ship amphibious? From looking at the ship, looks like a regular water-only ship.

Or is it what it transport that is amphibious?

Talk about ambiguous!

Re:Amphi?

[Phaid]

LPD-17 class ships (Landing Platform, Dock) are not themselves amphibious, but transport amphibious craft such as LCACs (Landing Craft, Air Cushion) and other vehicles used in amphibious operations.

For more information on these ships, see .

Re:Amphi?

[mgs1000]

On that note...

Now the Chinese can relay their spam through U.S. military naval vessels.

So which U.S. Naval vessels aren't military?

Re:Amphi?

[Scrameustache]

Now the Chinese can relay their spam through U.S. military naval vessels.

So which U.S. Naval vessels aren't military?

Or: witch military vessels aren't naval?

Re:Amphi?

[craw]

Actually with a few exceptions, the bulk of the "blue water" US scientific ships (e.g., AGOR class) are owned by the US Navy and are on loan to various academic institutions. These ships are distinctly different than their military counterparts as their hulls are painted white instead of gray.

Nothing like

[Anonymous Coward]

a bit of anti-China crap on /. now is it?

They have a sense of humor

[muyuubyou]

...when they are using ASP. Let's hope they're using the Apache port, otherwise they would be using *shudder* ISS and winbloze.

Re:They have a sense of humor

[Ianoo]

ISS? Their sites are based on the space station now?! I had heard it was running the mythical WinNT4 SP6...

Re:They have a sense of humor

[daniel23]

according to netcraft www.news.navy.mil runs Microsoft-IIS/5.0 under FreeBSD.

Well, defense is their business, isn't it?

Re:They have a sense of humor

[Anonymous Coward]

That smells like a honeypot...

Re:They have a sense of humor

[ottawanker]

Or like someone who's running a FreeBSD based load balancer/proxy/accelerator.

I doubt that their news site doubles as their honey-pot.

Wasteful military spending

[Uninvited Guest]

25,000 tons?! I'm sure I could build an unsolicated bulk email server that weighs less than 1 ton.
---Okay, so it wouldn't be amphibious.

Re:Wasteful military spending

[k12linux]

I'm betting you could make it amphibious for under a ton too.

Re:Wasteful military spending

[Anonymous Coward]

Sure You can, I have one sitting here..

I'll just use this crane to lift it into the water...

Err.. okay maybe you can't

I do not like it, Sam I Am...

[GeoGreg]

I do not like unsolicited Spam!

I do not like it from a boat

I do not like it from a goat

I don't need a huge torpedo

I don't need help with my libido

I do not like it from Chinese

I do not like it, stop it, please!

I do not like unsolicited Spam,

So please REMOVE ME Sam I Am!

Re:I do not like it, Sam I Am...

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh, you know you like it from a goat. Goat's been talkin'.

Re:I do not like it, Sam I Am...

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh, you know you like it from a goat. Goat's been talkin'.

Don't talk bollocks. Quit yer squawkin'.

Re:I do not like it, Sam I Am...

[futuramarama]

Please Sam wait, I implore,

I've more to offer, much, much more:

I'll slash your mortgage, change your life,

Grant diplomas, or find a wife;

Theres no need to run for the hills,

I only ask for 20 dollar bills;

(Electronic-ally of course,

Its much too slow when carried by horse)

But if its the boat that gets your goat,

I won't send from a thing afloat;

Why, Sam, I can spam from anywhere,

Wherever suits you, I don't care;

Aren't I here to help you out?

Its all for you that I scream and shout;

Please Sam wait, and hear me out,

I only do this to remove your hang-ups,

(But send a fifty and I'll stop the pop-ups).

[with apologies to the good Dr Seuss]

Re:I do not like it, Sam I Am...

[Anonymous Coward]

Finally something creative from the Slashdot crowd! :-)

Re:I do not like it, Sam I Am...

[herrvinny]

Of course you need a torpedo, silly. You need the torpedo to blow the spammers out of the water!

Re:I do not like it, Sam I Am...

[Permission Denied]

I do not want your spam for sure.
I like my mortgage and what's more -
I do not want your stinking toner
or to enlarge my ample ....

Your open relays cause me pain;
I swear that they'll drive us insane.
One day we'll lose it, wait and see,
And then you'll beg, "Oh no, not me!"

While you bloat my .procmailrc,
we check your whois, oh, tee-hee!
A traceroute takes this to your door:
some hits you've never seen before.

We take your name; we find your home.
What's this? A Navy ship with chrome?
A hearty vessel, nonetheless
we send it a DDoS.

And now with us, your greatest foe,
you'll need your San Antonio.
Your Navy admins (what a lot!)
won't help you to survive Slashdot.

Now later, when the smoke has cleared,
your website, it has disappeared!
Because you let some spam relay,
Slashdotting is your world today.

Clickable Link

[halo8]

Help /. the US Navy http://www.news.navy.mil

Re:Clickable Link

[pantycrickets]

Yep.. http://www.news.navy.mil looks pretty hosed to me.

24

[Anonymous Coward]

"Mount the filter to my screen so I can route it through the log files."


Is this really from a 24 script? Ouch.

Just a server with a ship name?

[AchmedHabib]

Don't you think that thy just might use the names of ships etc for the names of their servers.

Re:Amphibious Spam Relay? Nor really

[Neurotoxic666]

It's actualy a new node for warboaters...

Cyber-Terrorism

[darkmeridian]

The NSA and some other assorted government TLA agencies conducted a dry run. The results are not good. Apparently, many physical infrastructure targets can be brought down by cyberattackers.

http://lists.jammed.com/ISN/1998/04/0015.html

Yes

[Anonymous Coward]

Ha ha. Thanks so much for pointing out that the common term for unsolicited bulk email is the same word as a brand of spiced pork and ham. We nerds might not have noticed if you hadn't told us. With intelligence like that, you've certainly come to the right place.

Dear Fellow White Hat Hacker...

[DaneelGiskard]

...you might want to think twice before you try to hack this to "help" them.

Specially if you live near a coast.

Simple Spam Solution...

[Dave21212]

Why not just buy a scooter from the guy - then they will stop emailing you.

;)

Seriously though, it seems to be questionable if any military network was actually compromised...

OK that was a typo. I meant IIS (nt)

[muyuubyou]

(nt) stands for "no text"

Re:OK that was a typo. I meant IIS (nt)

[Anonymous Coward]

You put (no text) in the title, then you go and add a text that explains that "(nt)" means "no text". Not your best days, is it?

Besides, everybody know that NT means "New Technology"... (I'm joking. It doesn't. It means "NET Technology", buahahahaha!)

AC for obvious reasons. Not my best days either.

Re:OK that was a typo. I meant IIS (nt)

[Anonymous Coward]

Slashcode won't let you post with no body text -- annoying if you can communicate in the subject header alone.

Re:OK that was a typo. I meant IIS (nt)

[EvilTwinSkippy]

A fellow User Friendly Fan I see.

non african or Middle Eastern country

[glrotate]

I agree. The ragheads and junglebunnies just aren't bright enough to pull something like this off. But we do have to watch out for the gooks.

zerg

[Lord Omlette]

Remember when that Kuro5hin poster was concerned about the safety of the Vice President, and he got a visit from the Feds because they thought he was making threats against the VPs life? If they've got the time (and money!) to deal with ridiculous shit like that, then surely they can take care of an issue like this, right?

I mean, seriously, spam costs money, right? It doesn't cost the spammers anything, but the compromised relays must be losing out from cost of bandwidth and deterioration of service, right? w/ Halliburton fucking taxpayers recently, surely someone at the military must be keeping an eey out for other people trying to take advantage of us, right?!

Does that make sense?

Re:zerg

[circletimessquare]

when did a kuro5hin poster get a visit from the feds, really?

Re:zerg

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually Kuwait was f-cking Halliburton, and auditing did it's job. But, by all means, don't let facts get in the way of your rant.

Re:zerg

[fyeles]

It's not supposed to make sence, you're talking about the military!

They're missing the most important service...

[Anonymous Coward]

The amphibious transport dock ship San Antonio incorporates the latest quality of life standards for the embarked Marines and sailors, including the sit-up berth, ship services mall, a fitness center and learning resource center/electronic classroom

What about skanky HOs? Marines & sailors are not satisfied without skanky ho service.

Re:They're missing the most important service...

[s4ltyd0g]

What do you think the sit up berth is for?

this thing supports LCACs and Ospreys?

[Anonymous Coward]

Good to see the Navy centralizes control of their boondoggle projects.

Saw it Coming, but no one listened

[Anonymous Coward]

I swear I tried to bring this up as a Sgt in the Marines back in early 90's. I was attached to the Marine Corps element that had decision making on what computer operating systems to use. The Officers in charge started going the way towards Microsoft. The Marines at that time had Banyan servers and had to worry over virus infections, but not on the servers.
I told the Officers that if we get Microsoft servers, we will have nothing but cracking and virus infections on the servers. No one wanted to listen. Microsoft pretty much snowballed them and sold them a bill of goods that are leaving the military open to attacks.
I can bet that someone loses their job over this one. I just hope it isn't a person who turns out to be a fall guy.

Re:Saw it Coming, but no one listened

[Anonymous Coward]

Why the fuck do people join the military when all they can be there is a lame sergeant?! A lieutenant should be the absolute minimum for anyone with a little self-respect!

Re:Saw it Coming, but no one listened

[Anonymous Coward]

It is because I wanted to work for a living instead of shine a seat with my A$$. But as for you, adjust your necktie, your foreskin is showing.

Re:Saw it Coming, but no one listened

[SkewlD00d]

"Sounds like someone has a case of the Croynies."
Shameless "Office Space" ripoff.

1) It's sorta interesting that Win NT 4.0 w/ SP6a + hotfixes + C2 patch suite can actually attain C2 certification, but that's not very secure. M$ft has since not applied 2k/XP/2k3 for C2 certification. Obviously, this is because of "mission creep" within the OS, "integrating" everything from IE to office to .NET/DCOM/ActiveX/RPC-DCE. Not to mention that there are many other commercial OSes out there that could do the job.

2) BTW, the DoD is soo massive, why didn't they develop their own proprietary kernel / tool suite / dev system (prob using Ada/ASM, i bet) for use in embedded systems and app/transaction servers? A combination of security-through-obscurity and peer-reviewed protcols/standards/algorithms would produce a superior product than allowing a small cadre of gov't geeks to toil away in an ivory tower.

3) The rainbow security books need to be kept reasonably up-to-date to take advantage of newer proven protocols/standards/etc., i.e., 64 bit DES and 3DES are not sufficient, multiple layers of differing security measures on all 7 ISO layers that automatically increase key size over time (future-resistant). Interoperability is good, as long as security is not compromised (e.g., trust-based security system doesnt allow a hacker into everything w/ one password).

4) The DoD needs a real, independent technical project review body that can asses a proposed implementations, and provide cost and technical guidance. (maybe something like this already exists, im not familure w/ the DoD's procurement process).

Maybe I'm too optimistic to assume that anything the government does will either be cost-controlled, intelligent, or not involve croynism. P.S.: My mom worked for the Navy as a civ accountant back in the 70s, she said it was a mess, that they lost track of expensive aircraft parts all the time.

I wonder, I bet I could make buku dinero doing as a DoD IT/IS security consultant. Security is a economically inelastic product... entities will pay $$$$$$$$ for real security, not airport TSA-brand of security.

TSA Agent: "Excuse me ma'am, is your baby a terrorist?"
Confused Parent: [Amazed looks] "... Umm, no."
TSA Agent: "Alright, but I still have to frisk her to make sure... and you'll have to leave your purse here, it might be an explosive device."

Re:Saw it Coming, but no one listened

[Anonymous Coward]

I tend to agree with you, but you underestimate the red tape that DOD can come up with. If I am correct, Win NT 4.0 w/ SP6a + hotfixes + C2 patch suite can get C2 certified, but only in a non-networked environment. There is a regulation or something that states that no non-C2 certified operating system will be purchased without a authorization. Well, as you can see, most DOD and GOV organizations did not pay attention to that. When I was in, security was almost always sacrificed for interoperability. I did not like it, nor did I agree with it.
Basically, I was told to shut-up. Now we see the results. I only hope that the real people in charge who made these stupid decisions get the axe instead of the operators. But I know that won't happen.

Re:Saw it Coming, but no one listened

[jotok]

I wonder, I bet I could make buku dinero doing as a DoD IT/IS security consultant. Security is a economically inelastic product... entities will pay $$$$$$$$ for real security, not airport TSA-brand of security.

DOD Cert

Re:Saw it Coming, but no one listened

[SkewlD00d]

Correct on that non-networked environment. But what good is that? If you have physical access to a machine, it can be hacked anyways (key loggers, reset button, etc.) We gotta have real, proven security standards not relying completely on security-through-obscurity for our supposedly secure, critical networks. Example: I bet mucho dinero that give the protocol used for encrypting comms and satellite data links, brute-forcing is relatively easy nowadays.... system analysts 10, 20+ years ago did not scale their security to account for increase in computing power. Example, cracking P-channel of GPS is easy.. anyone with sufficient knowedge can get the same as a keyed GPS receiver w/o SA. 32-80 bit keys are common on these protocols, which means that white-box (attack knowing the algorithm in the box) attacks could be optimized (algorithms developed in secret arent always as good or as secure as open ones) to silicon ASICs (custom chips) for fast cracking. You can crack triple DES (3DES, three different keys) in less than a few hours using the right hardware (racks and racks of massive parallel cracking nodes). Worse yet, less secure ancillary systems, protocols and standards are vulnerable to brute-forcing and other newer disruptive technologies and methods.

Holy crap! who'd thunk that network security would be sacrificed on the altar of politics and bureaucracy?

Sounds like a good candidate for whistle-blowing, since the chain-of-command doesnt seem to be working.

Hopefully, someone (you?) will step up to these fools and show them a better way to do things, even if it costs a little more. Paper-pushers dont care about real security; and introducing insecure systems into a secure network is a major security threat Someone's got to do something, because I don't want some operators in Iraq getting killed because some terrorists hacked into siprnet through a random windows xp box running IIS 5.x w/o the lock-down tool. (Granted, that's a contrived, slippery-slope example.)

New Orleans ? Green Bay ???

[Anonymous Coward]

They name their ships after NFL teams that choke???

Had to take a second look

[Chatmag]

If you click on the San Antonio link in the story, and read down the first picture description, you find a link: www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-l pd.htm

chinfo??? chin as in China???

Re:Had to take a second look

[tupshin]

No...quoting from their site:
"The Navy Office of Information is headed by the Chief of Information (CHINFO), a Rear Admiral, who is the direct representative of the Secretary of the Navy and the Chief of Naval Operations for Navy-wide public affairs matters."

Re:Had to take a second look

[Chatmag]

I know, but it still looked funny, given the subject of the article :)

Re:which military vessels aren't naval?

[Avihson]

All the Army Watercraft are not navy!
The Army Transportation Corps (wo)man the tugboats. They handle the ship to shore transport of equipment and supplies.

Not sure of the numbers now, but back in the 80s, the US Army has more watercraft than the Navy, more aircraft than the Airforce, and more grunts than the Marines.

Check FAS.org for more info on the "Army's navy"
Another good place for information on the Transportation corps is Ft Eustis

spammers move offshore

[Sabalon]

See...just one day after Bush signs the dma spam law and the spammers have gone and moved their operations off-shore.

Re:which military vessels aren't naval?

[Sacks]

The Army may have more grunts than the Marines, but as in this case, Quality makes up for Quantity. The Marines may be part of the Navy Department, but by GOD, they're the Men's Department. The Marines stole the eagles wings from the Air Force, the anchor from the Navy and the rope from the Army Mountain warfare school and proceeded to conquer the world.

DON'T LET THE ARMY OR AIRFORCE FIND OUT!!!

[wizkid]

They'll want bigger faster spam relays!! :)

Ooh rah!

[Anonymous Coward]

Marines don't read. And sailors are too busy buggering each other to read email. Besides it was join the Navy or go to prison. So no one noticed if their boats could relay spam. On a side note. Pacific Islanders like physical spam because it tastes like long pig.

Geeee! 25'000-ton amphibia!

[grmb1]

I for one welcome our new giant-frog overlords!

Re:which military vessels aren't naval?

[Anonymous Coward]

they're the Men's Department

Hehe, yeah. I bet they fuck each other up the ass all time time!

Eh?

[suwain_2]

I've been known to be kind of dense before, but can someone explain this? I read the article, and found it to be completely incoherent; as if someone took an article and randomly threw "spam" into the middle of it. Maybe I'm just really tired, but that article made _no_ sense to me.

Re:which military vessels aren't naval?

[Sacks]

Unlike you who can't find their package with a microscope. My crap has more substance than you.

Theft of service?

[FattMattP]

Does this mean the American military will go after the spammers for theft of service?

Ummmm...no.....

[tekiegreg]

From: the Dictionary

1. A group or company of people, animals, or things. See synonyms at band2. , flock1. 2a. A group of soldiers. b. troops Military units; soldiers. c. A unit of cavalry, armored vehicles, or artillery in a European army, corresponding to a platoon in the U.S. Army. 3. A unit of at least five Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts under the guidance of an adult leader. 4. A great many; a lot.

Doesn't mention anything about "army" or "navy" just "millitary" :-)

Re:Ummmm...no.....

[tekiegreg]

Actually on closer inspection, it does, but still can be used both ways so I still rest my case...

Re:Ummmm...no.....

[Fjornir]

Ummm... What am I supposed to say? "Congratulations, you're as ignorant as your dictionary?"

Re:Amphibious Spam Relay? Nor really

[ckaminski]

Better be careful... this is one access point that can fight back...

Let's hope...

[cmdrwhitewolf]

that the Email adminstrator takes the Captains order to "Nuke that Spam." literally.

Tell it to the marines.

[SmallFurryCreature]

Angry email user: You damn spammers flooded my inbox making me miss my kids email.

Spammer: tell it to the marines.

Angry email user: WE ARE THE MARINES!

Spammer: Oops.

Spammer serves useful purpose, gasp

[phiz187]

Im going to have to rethink one of my basic mantras, these spammers actually found and highlighted a useful vulnerability before, somone untowards could misuse it. -PHiZ

Re:Wrong move. Black choppers

[mousse-man]

Or maybe they'll get a visit by the dreaded black helicopters first? But for this, they need some real carrier, I suppose....

Re:which military vessels aren't naval?

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah. You should really go on "conquering the world". Or was that just your bunk buddies asshole?

Pah.... Black choppers....

[Dr. GeneMachine]

I'd say we nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be really sure.

I am looking for the spamming wessel

[jelton]

Can you direct me to the spamming wessel?

Re:I am looking for the spamming wessel

[Anonymous Coward]

Can you direct me to the spamming wessel?


Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home ('paraphrased')

Yes, one of the 2 best Trek feature films with the original cast. The other film being:

Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan

Re:I am looking for the spamming wessel

[Anonymous Coward]

an explanation is not required, just a few mod points...

Re:Military tortures Saddam

[steeviant]

It never fails to amaze me how many former navy seals, marines, snipers, covert operatives, counter-terrorist agents and military officers frequent internet forums which are otherwise used mostly by nerds.

Umh, not exactly...

[OneFix at Work]

This is still in the Northrop Grumman dry dock in New Orleans...

If anyone's at fault for the open relay, it's probably Northrop Grumman, but I'ld say it's just someone with a Linux box in the ship yard (I'm not gonna scan a .mil address to find out) :)

Anyhow, this is likely a non-issue, as the .mil will probably install their own systems once Northrop Grumman is done with it...the only thing that is likely to be left over in the end is their ship control systems (no need for a mail server there)...

This is probably just a workstation on someone's desk at the docks...but the post makes it sound like it's an actively commissioned ship...

Re:Umh, not exactly...

[Anonymous Coward]

Correction, it's sitting UNDER a desk!

Re:which military vessels aren't naval?

[Sacks]

At least I have the balls to post with my login, not hiding behind an anonymous login. Take the rubber that your father should have used and place it over the head until it cuts your airflow. Then this world will be a better place because now you can practice safe sex - dickhead!

Re:Military tortures Saddam

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah. Wondering about that the whole time, too.

Re:Military tortures Saddam

[Sacks]

Unless some of us veterans did computers before in the military, which would lead me to say that nerd stuff is no longer nerdy. It finally has been found to be what it is - Intelligence. Disclaimer: This is meant in NO WAY to denote that the millitary is intelligent. Sometimes they have the best deals on frontal labotomies.

Is the ship that...

[Anonymous Coward]

is this the same ship that runs windows?

Re:Is the ship that...

[Sacks]

The destroyer that you are refering to was back in the 90's. They scrapped that operating system and now they look like they forgot that lesson.

Re:which military vessels aren't naval?

[Anonymous Coward]

Of course, since your login "Sacks" doesn't mean shit, your balls must be pretty small as well.

Anyway, thanks for the tip, but I'm not into those dirty mansex games you practice with your uniformed friends.

Re:which military vessels aren't naval?

[Sacks]

Yet, again. Keep hiding. If I have small balls, you must have none. Do the world a favor - don't reproduce. There are enough dickhead in China.

Why Marines on Navy ships

[nsaspook]

Because sheep would be too obvious.

You forget ...

[1000baseFX]

The one important point of Spamming, many (majority) are spoofed, as in entire headers.
We get 20k to 30k per day where I work, that's pieces of spam not bytes.

Of that I successfully filter 75%, only because when I had it down to 99% success rate people bitched that they were not getting enough mail. Go figure!
I have personally analyzed well over half a million spam messages over the last 8 months and have found less than 5% that were not spoofed.

Re:which military vessels aren't naval?

[Sacks]

Your brain is as non existant as your balls. I'm through with you. You have nothing worthwhile to add to a discussion. Go play with your dolls.

Re:Military tortures Saddam

[Anonymous Coward]

To call a computer dork who served in the military a veteran is an insult to real soldiers everywhere.

Quoth the Raven...

[EvilTwinSkippy]

Nevermore. SIGCONT

kill -9 raven

...I do NOT want Spam from Uncle Sam!

[Anonymous Coward]

But if you do not secure a boat

Which can be hacked and run remote

Make sure you only fit a cam

Or the Spartan Scout

Could make us JAM!!!

news.navy.mil

Re: Your Sig

[AlphaSys]

Typical GNU zealot, reinventing the wheel. Alzheimer's disease has been feature-complete for decades -- why do it again?

Had to do it.

[capheind]

I christen the the IIS Spaminator. Screw the nukes we got spam!!

Re:MAKE IT BIGGER 39586-184=50

[capheind]

I nearly wet myself, good show

EMCON: Re:San Antonio has NOT been compromised

[Anonymous Coward]

LANs on ships are NOT connected to the Internet.

Well no shit. I wondered when someone would realize this. Think about it - ships go under EMCON (emissions control) during wartime. So all the enemy would have to do is ping a ship's website, then they know if that ship is sneaking around (i.e. dangerous), or not... and they can do it using the enemy's infrastructure rather than their own.

I would *like* to believe that the USN - and the armed forces in general - are smart enough to prevent something like that!

Re:Military tortures Saddam

[PHoliday]

Right... except that (s)he had to fight through basic training/boot camp/etc also. Being a nerd doesn't get you a free pass on the difficult training.

They may not be risking their lives, but there are a ton of "fake soldiers" who will never be stationed in a war-zone but are absolutely imperative to ensure that "real soldiers" have the best odds of survival possible and the country has the best odds of victory.

Implying that the enlisted men and women who don't serve in combat aren't "real soldiers" is a cheap and ignorant thing to do... maybe why you posted as AC, perhaps?

Mmm yummy....

[Uplore]

Chinese spam has that distinct oriental flavour and now comes in low fat single serve tins.

With apologies to Dr Seuss

[Anonymous Coward]

I do not like green eggs and spam,
I do not like it Uncle Sam

I do not like it on a boat
I do not like it with a goat.cx

I do not like green eggs and spam
I do not like it Uncle Sam :)

Sara
a Macgrrl in an NT World

Louisiana

[Anonymous Coward]

Anyone notice that this dock is about an hour drive from this spammer? That's a lot of down-south spam.

Re:Your tax dollars hard at work ADDENDUM

[rabbits77]

Also, I must add, the pay has been increased a bunch since then. While not the best salary wise overall being in the military is , from my experience, a valid and competetive option to civilian employment. The experiences that you get beyond the simple pay and working hours are immeasurably greater.
Oh, and given the whole current situation and also given that this is ./ which means some mouthy 14 year old may post some snotty uninformed pinko rant in reply I will also add that about 90% of the military spends 100% of its time many many miles away from shots being fired in anger.

Re:which military vessels aren't naval?

[Avihson]

It's good to be proud of your branch, but you have been brainwashed! The Marines were the First Armed force, so they must have preemptivly stolen all that!

I've worked and trained with the devil-dogs and know that I can trust ANY marine with my life. It takes someone special to do the dirty jobs, and I Salute you across the digital divide!

Semper Fi man!

(Don't you love the cowards comments?

Must feel strange to live their lives being protected by men that are better than they are.)

Nobel Prizes?

[aarin]

While I do agree with this:

> Islam's past is just as violent.

However, this next one is wrong. Just plain wrong. Look up what 'islam' means sometime. It might be enlightening.

> Any Muslim nobel prize winners?

Yes there are. Look Herefor the 1994 award and much more recently (...as in accepted the award 8 days ago) is a Muslim woman from Iran.

Just for the hell of it, I'll add one more. I don't care if you are Christian or not, but a statement such as the one you made take less than 90 seconds on Google to prove or disprove. It would not surprise me if there are more; I just did a very quick glance.

Re:Nobel Prizes?

[Anonymous Coward]

> Look up what 'islam' means sometime. It might be enlightening

How would the definition of the word help me? The very nature of religion is mindless obedience to another human beings irrational inconsistant pronouncements? Look up the meaning of NAZI sometime, and see if that throws any light on 30's Germany.

>Herefor the 1994 award and much more recently (...as in accepted the award 8 days
> ago) is a Muslim woman from Iran.

Two. Well done. It's not all amusing beards and throwing stones at pregnant women then. Now, how many have Jews won?

Re:Finally

[Ba3r]

Hah, I love it when people just itching to write 3 paragraph arguments hop onto a clearly senseless and stupid comment i write. Face it: Bush is an idiot, Saddam is a sadist, US is concerned for iraq because of its economic importance alone, as is France, and torpedoing a floating ship-o-spam is clearly not as controversial as invading a nation, and should be done asap. Slashdot is hardly a worthwhile forum for anything beyond insightful *short* points and funny quips.