The only commercial OSF that went anywhere was DEC OSF-1, the operating system previously known as Ultrix then Digital Unix - Subsequently known as Tru-64 Unix. Unix for VAX and DECStation and AlphaStation! Unix from the company that swore "Unix is snake oil"! Unix form the company that built the HW platform on which all significant original development occurred - without their involvement!
Metheny is so obviously an authority on technique and style. It really comes home from someone like him, rather than my own words - my authority is just a good set of ears!
If you did the weird pop/jazz crossover stuff, there's also Dobie Gray. Into him bigtime, but not everybody's taste. Me, I can get behind a Jazz pianist who digs Archie Bell and the Drells!
Rahsaan Roland Kirk needs to be added here. Wow, where do you start with this guy? Maybe Domino, with Herbie Hancock as a sideman, too.
On another track: Brother Jack McDuff. Really, almost the most laid-back of the Hammond B3 players. Once you listen close, and see where he's going with the band...
It's hard to go wrong with The New Boss Guitar of George Benson, with the Brother Jack McDuff Quartet. Benson's debut at about 21. McDuff has him lead the group, and you can see just what He built his original reputation on.
Oh Yeah, Herbie! How come no one's mentioned Herbie Hancock so far? I know he doofed bad in the '70's (like Benson) but c'mon! Takin' Off!
Question: Pat, could you tell us your opinion about Kenny G - it appears you were quoted as being less than enthusiastic about him and his music. I would say that most of the serious music listeners in the world would not find your opinion surprising or unlikely - but you were vocal about it for the first time. You are generally supportive of other musicians it seems.
Pat Metheny's Answer: Kenny G is not a musician I really had much of an opinion about at all until recently. There was not much about the way he played that interested me one way or the other either live or on records. I first heard him a number of years ago playing as a sideman with Jeff Lorber when they opened a concert for my band. My impression was that he was someone who had spent a fair amount of time listening to the more pop oriented sax players of that time, like Grover Washington or David Sanborn, but was not really an advanced player, even in that style. He had major rhythmic problems and his harmonic and melodic vocabulary was extremely limited, mostly to pentatonic based and blues-lick derived patterns, and he basically exhibited only a rudimentary understanding of how to function as a professional soloist in an ensemble - Lorber was basically playing him off the bandstand in terms of actual music. But he did show a knack for connecting to the basest impulses of the large crowd by deploying his two or three most effective licks (holding long notes and playing fast runs - never mind that there were lots of harmonic clams in them) at the key moments to elicit a powerful crowd reaction (over and over again). The other main thing I noticed was that he also, as he does to this day, play horribly out of tune - consistently sharp.
Of course, I am aware of what he has played since, the success it has had, and the controversy that has surrounded him among musicians and serious listeners. This controversy seems to be largely fueled by the fact that he sells an enormous amount of records while not being anywhere near a really great player in relation to the standards that have been set on his instrument over the past sixty or seventy years.
And honestly, there is no small amount of envy involved from musicians who see one of their fellow players doing so well financially, especially when so many of them who are far superior as improvisers and musicians in general have trouble just making a living. there must be hundreds, if not thousands of sax players around the world who are simply better improvising musicians than Kenny G on his chosen instruments. It would really surprise me if even he disagreed with that statement.
Having said that, it has gotten me to thinking lately why so many jazz musicians (myself included, given the right "bait" of a question, as I will explain later) and audiences have gone so far as to say that what he is playing is not even jazz at all.
Control of Java standards - something they have a grave and compelling interest in. IBM was one of the most bitter and dissapointed when Sun failed to complete motions towards submitting a Java spec for standardization by ECMA, a few years back. When the were close to $2 last November, I was almost sure they'd bite!
If they didn't do it at that time, I don't know if ever they would. But there IS a good reason, easily worth 2 bucks a share!
Re:Where is my last generation Broadband?
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The local cable "service" has a TOS agreement that forbits NAT, and any form of tunnel or VPN - enforced with active filtering. Ouch.
I get 1.5Mbps down, 768Mbps up on DSL, plus Speakeasy are generally cool folks. Run their own RPM-find mirror. Now, all they need are.debs!
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Take a look at the terms-of-service for and cable-modem service.
These are cable TV people. They view multiple hosts behind NAT as theft-of-service; the functional equivalent of illegal secondary cable-boxes!
Re:Yeah, yeah, whatever (Score:1)
by MisterFancypants (615129) on Wednesday June 11, @05:50PM (#6177148)
Your reasoning is flawed. To put it in a situation that is easier to understand:
If I buy a counterfeit copy of Windows for $5 at a flea market, I have no legal right to actually use it, even if I bought it in good faith and thought it was a genuine copy and even if it included a nicely printed duplicate of a Windows license.
But your flea-market counterfeiter never had a legal, good-faith contract and license to sell a derivative product under his own label.
That is the situation for IBM and its downstream customers. SCO is unilaterally dictating a remedy for a breach of contract that is still a mere assertion. They are also doing so on the alleged actions of a possibly unrelated third-party, in regards to a different product than that which was licensed.
SCO will get the big, "Boot In Ass" award this year - Boies or no Boies.
I wonder if all the script-kid 1337 unabombers out there will manage to obliterate SCO's presence from the Inet on Friday. Their whole corp website was unavailable in the recent past...
I don't think SCO understands that some of Linux's biggest fans are guys who 'make the wires work'.
I actualy built my firewall on a WinChip C6 board. Cheap at auction/sacrifice.
My point is about the HD. I use a 10GB 2.5in notebook harddrive in here, for noise and heat considerations. My Exim SMTP proxy and Squid run GREAT, no real issue aboutthe form-factor. This has served me for 2-plus years. I tar the whole thing up nightly - via SSH - onto my big workstation. Even if the drive blows, I pop another cheapie in the box, boot with Knoppix, and restore!
Because Tridge is pretty conservative on releases. Beta really means BETA 'though. Not semi-functional Alpha. AD- support! Goodbye Windows at my house...
Yeah - Probably the Sr. Techs who will be on the line. In a non-dysfunctional corporate culture, you'd want Directors and VP's who'd rely on tech staff to provide the expert technology advice for dilligence and care.
In reality these people are more often "facing-up" on budgets, etc. They won't improve process 'til they get their fingers burned. First time: fire your staff. Second time: try and get the new staff to avoid a second-time!
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Iggy Pop in the .sig! I like it. Still can't get used to Nissan using Iggy and the Velvets to sell SUVs to the offspring of yuppies 'though...
The only commercial OSF that went anywhere was DEC OSF-1, the operating system previously known as Ultrix then Digital Unix - Subsequently known as Tru-64 Unix. Unix for VAX and DECStation and AlphaStation! Unix from the company that swore "Unix is snake oil"! Unix form the company that built the HW platform on which all significant original development occurred - without their involvement!
Metheny is so obviously an authority on technique and style. It really comes home from someone like him, rather than my own words - my authority is just a good set of ears!
This is pretty cool for an ask /. !!
If you did the weird pop/jazz crossover stuff, there's also Dobie Gray. Into him bigtime, but not everybody's taste. Me, I can get behind a Jazz pianist who digs Archie Bell and the Drells!
Rahsaan Roland Kirk needs to be added here. Wow, where do you start with this guy? Maybe Domino, with Herbie Hancock as a sideman, too.
On another track: Brother Jack McDuff. Really, almost the most laid-back of the Hammond B3 players. Once you listen close, and see where he's going with the band...
It's hard to go wrong with The New Boss Guitar of George Benson, with the Brother Jack McDuff Quartet . Benson's debut at about 21. McDuff has him lead the group, and you can see just what He built his original reputation on.
Oh Yeah, Herbie! How come no one's mentioned Herbie Hancock so far? I know he doofed bad in the '70's (like Benson) but c'mon! Takin' Off!
Pat Metheny's Answer: Kenny G is not a musician I really had much of an opinion about at all until recently. There was not much about the way he played that interested me one way or the other either live or on records. I first heard him a number of years ago playing as a sideman with Jeff Lorber when they opened a concert for my band. My impression was that he was someone who had spent a fair amount of time listening to the more pop oriented sax players of that time, like Grover Washington or David Sanborn, but was not really an advanced player, even in that style. He had major rhythmic problems and his harmonic and melodic vocabulary was extremely limited, mostly to pentatonic based and blues-lick derived patterns, and he basically exhibited only a rudimentary understanding of how to function as a professional soloist in an ensemble - Lorber was basically playing him off the bandstand in terms of actual music. But he did show a knack for connecting to the basest impulses of the large crowd by deploying his two or three most effective licks (holding long notes and playing fast runs - never mind that there were lots of harmonic clams in them) at the key moments to elicit a powerful crowd reaction (over and over again). The other main thing I noticed was that he also, as he does to this day, play horribly out of tune - consistently sharp.
Of course, I am aware of what he has played since, the success it has had, and the controversy that has surrounded him among musicians and serious listeners. This controversy seems to be largely fueled by the fact that he sells an enormous amount of records while not being anywhere near a really great player in relation to the standards that have been set on his instrument over the past sixty or seventy years.
And honestly, there is no small amount of envy involved from musicians who see one of their fellow players doing so well financially, especially when so many of them who are far superior as improvisers and musicians in general have trouble just making a living. there must be hundreds, if not thousands of sax players around the world who are simply better improvising musicians than Kenny G on his chosen instruments. It would really surprise me if even he disagreed with that statement.
Having said that, it has gotten me to thinking lately why so many jazz musicians (myself included, given the right "bait" of a question, as I will explain later) and audiences have gone so far as to say that what he is playing is not even jazz at all.
More right here...
And I've just hijacked my own /16!
If they didn't do it at that time, I don't know if ever they would. But there IS a good reason, easily worth 2 bucks a share!
I get 1.5Mbps down, 768Mbps up on DSL, plus Speakeasy are generally cool folks. Run their own RPM-find mirror. Now, all they need are .debs!
These are cable TV people. They view multiple hosts behind NAT as theft-of-service; the functional equivalent of illegal secondary cable-boxes!
I don't care if it's 10x speed at .5 price...
DEC PDP-11/60.used? Some Honeywell Mainframe with Mag-Core memory. Less than 4K - bigger than a 'Fridge!
I can see how you'd read it this way...
How do you NOT develop for SCO? They are POSIX, and have a GNU toolchain..
Yeah. 'Caus EVERYBODY knows SCO owns it!
Had I not posted to this thread, I would have modded you through the ceiling.
But your flea-market counterfeiter never had a legal, good-faith contract and license to sell a derivative product under his own label.
That is the situation for IBM and its downstream customers. SCO is unilaterally dictating a remedy for a breach of contract that is still a mere assertion. They are also doing so on the alleged actions of a possibly unrelated third-party, in regards to a different product than that which was licensed.
SCO will get the big, "Boot In Ass" award this year - Boies or no Boies.
It is to laugh!
I wonder if all the script-kid 1337 unabombers out there will manage to obliterate SCO's presence from the Inet on Friday. Their whole corp website was unavailable in the recent past...
I don't think SCO understands that some of Linux's biggest fans are guys who 'make the wires work'.
Think about it - one platform, only one place to assert master key escrow .
My point is about the HD. I use a 10GB 2.5in notebook harddrive in here, for noise and heat considerations. My Exim SMTP proxy and Squid run GREAT, no real issue aboutthe form-factor. This has served me for 2-plus years. I tar the whole thing up nightly - via SSH - onto my big workstation. Even if the drive blows, I pop another cheapie in the box, boot with Knoppix, and restore!
Because Tridge is pretty conservative on releases. Beta really means BETA 'though. Not semi-functional Alpha. AD- support! Goodbye Windows at my house...
HUGE performance increase is possible, just by ommiting the optional EVIL bit.
NGSCB is FreeNetNG!
Goodbye Troll.
In reality these people are more often "facing-up" on budgets, etc. They won't improve process 'til they get their fingers burned. First time: fire your staff. Second time: try and get the new staff to avoid a second-time!