it seems to me that few of the children really understood the content of the paper, writing it in children voices seems like a gimmick to hide the fact that most of the real thought work was done by an adult (probably their teacher). a good thing, however, that will come out of this is that it might get a couple of students interested in science.
Actually (I have been running minefield since beta4): * several of them at least were actual full browser crashes * others were partial crashes (eg youtube stopped working for a few days in there because the flash plugin kept crashing) * odd bugs like the addon bar disappearing (and without it there was no way to get to some extensions) * bad UX in the panorama functionality (you could close panorama and lose all of the tabs you had open) * app tabs were (and might still be, I haven't verified it yet) loading the page that they saw out of cache instead of online (resulting in when/. is an app tab me seeing the stories from weeks ago every time the browser is restarted)
agreed. these are serious bugs. although it is surprising that so many crash bugs have been fixed only in the 8th beta, but okay.
@2: Bull. The JM engine (JM+TM actually) is only currently beaten by the last few revisions of the v8 engine trunk repository, and only in the v8-bench tests (which feature very repeated tests that are benefited most by the v8 optimization set, which progressively further optimizes as lines of code are repeated): http://www.arewefastyet.com/awfy2.php [arewefastyet.com]; the IE9 beta engine doesn't actually appear to be any faster than the IE8 engine, but it does have some new dead code matching algorithms so that it seems faster on the benchmarks (that is to say it looks much faster on sunspider because a lot of that code never even gets run due to it being recognized as dead code, but on a site with heavy js usage the changes are insignificant).
you are saying that sunspider test results are bull. that's a new one, because i thought everyone considered that to be a real test of js performance. the whole reason why chrome is considered to be fast is that it scores way ahead on sunspider and sunspider-like tests. i find firefox 3.6 to have the same load times as chrome on almost every page. and then there are some pages (like slashdot discussions with >1000 comments) that load and scroll much faster on firefox 3.6 than chrome. so, if you disregard sunspider scores then you can't compare js performance objectively at all.
@3: Perhaps I don't understand what is so great here. Could someone enlighten me as to why we should care (as users and as web developers) about what particular windows specific hardware acceleration tech is being used?
its important because windows users are the people firefox owes its success to. the only way for firefox to continue its success is to keep its userbase happy, to provide them with a browser that better utilizes their hardware. in fact i think that mozilla knows this. that is why they've let firefox on linux stagnate. imo on linux, chromium is clearly miles ahead of firefox. on windows, firefox continues to be the browser of choice for me.
Actual new features that matter IMO in ff4: . . . multitouch api . ..
multi-touch apis exist only on windows 7. so firefox supports multi-touch only on windows 7. when you acted all arrogant about direct2d support saying you don't care about windows specific improvements, how could you point out to me a feature that is even more hardware and software specific? that stinks of double standards and just a compulsive need to defend firefox without thinking about the matter. i use firefox as my main and only browser, even on linux where i find it bloated and slow compared to other options. but i have the ability to identify major shortcomings in the development of ff4, without fanboyism clouding my judgment.
i really think you should read the story before commenting. the point is that humanity has forgotten all about mental math, and this guy rediscovers it.
i bet all of those 1415 bugs are just minor issues that won't hurt anyone. the benefit to coming out of beta is that extensions will start supporting ff4, which many of them do not right now. also, they've been delaying release for a long time. the new features ff4 has over the current stable version are: 1. ui-which i can already get through a theme. 2. JägerMonkey engine- which has already been beaten by the current stable version of chrome, and which is closely followed by the current beta of ie9. 3. Direct2D acceleration- ie9 beta's been doing that since forever.
now i understand that ff4 beta also has these features, but that leads us to the conclusion that ff4 development has slowed down enough to match the glacial pace of microsoft.
okay, but they should have a schedule. right now, they're just coding and coding without even having a tentative release date. 2011 is not a release date. also, since they've delayed ff4 for perhaps a year now, they should hurry and fix the remaining bugs in later patches.
you could say the same about.net and.org. the thing is, you should be allowed to choose whatever comes after the dot. and it need not be related to the content of the website. just like you're free to name your tech blog 'the pink unicorn'.
yeah well i hate it when i wake my lappie up in the morning, and realize after 15 minutes that 25% of the 6 hour battery has been consumed by a full system scan. i wouldn't have minded a once a week scan. but this thing performs a full scan every day and partial scans every fucking 8 hours. the worst part is that it doesn't care about being on battery power. imo, auto scans should be done only when connected to ac power. so, if you can tell me of any difference between forefront and mse i'd be very thankful.
i have on my uni provided laptop forefront client security. it seems to be identical to MSE. the only problem is that these idiots have made it impossible to change the auto scan schedule. does anybody know of a good reason not to uninstall forefront and install MSE?
but then no company can claim to have an 'internet' or 'data' plan. they can name it something like 'skype plan' or 'youtube video plan'. you simply can't call it data, if you're not treating all data the same. what's sad is that now it has become acceptable to have an unlimited mobile internet plan 'upto 5gb'. wtf??!!
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placebo effect==actual benefit
its dice not die.
placebo effect isn't just about the patient feeling better. the disease or infection or whatever in question is measurably better, or cured.
well played sir, well played!
it seems to me that few of the children really understood the content of the paper, writing it in children voices seems like a gimmick to hide the fact that most of the real thought work was done by an adult (probably their teacher).
a good thing, however, that will come out of this is that it might get a couple of students interested in science.
Actually (I have been running minefield since beta4): /. is an app tab me seeing the stories from weeks ago every time the browser is restarted)
* several of them at least were actual full browser crashes
* others were partial crashes (eg youtube stopped working for a few days in there because the flash plugin kept crashing)
* odd bugs like the addon bar disappearing (and without it there was no way to get to some extensions)
* bad UX in the panorama functionality (you could close panorama and lose all of the tabs you had open)
* app tabs were (and might still be, I haven't verified it yet) loading the page that they saw out of cache instead of online (resulting in when
agreed. these are serious bugs. although it is surprising that so many crash bugs have been fixed only in the 8th beta, but okay.
@2: Bull. The JM engine (JM+TM actually) is only currently beaten by the last few revisions of the v8 engine trunk repository, and only in the v8-bench tests (which feature very repeated tests that are benefited most by the v8 optimization set, which progressively further optimizes as lines of code are repeated): http://www.arewefastyet.com/awfy2.php [arewefastyet.com]; the IE9 beta engine doesn't actually appear to be any faster than the IE8 engine, but it does have some new dead code matching algorithms so that it seems faster on the benchmarks (that is to say it looks much faster on sunspider because a lot of that code never even gets run due to it being recognized as dead code, but on a site with heavy js usage the changes are insignificant).
you are saying that sunspider test results are bull. that's a new one, because i thought everyone considered that to be a real test of js performance. the whole reason why chrome is considered to be fast is that it scores way ahead on sunspider and sunspider-like tests. i find firefox 3.6 to have the same load times as chrome on almost every page. and then there are some pages (like slashdot discussions with >1000 comments) that load and scroll much faster on firefox 3.6 than chrome. so, if you disregard sunspider scores then you can't compare js performance objectively at all.
@3: Perhaps I don't understand what is so great here. Could someone enlighten me as to why we should care (as users and as web developers) about what particular windows specific hardware acceleration tech is being used?
its important because windows users are the people firefox owes its success to. the only way for firefox to continue its success is to keep its userbase happy, to provide them with a browser that better utilizes their hardware. in fact i think that mozilla knows this. that is why they've let firefox on linux stagnate. imo on linux, chromium is clearly miles ahead of firefox. on windows, firefox continues to be the browser of choice for me.
Actual new features that matter IMO in ff4: .
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multitouch api
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multi-touch apis exist only on windows 7. so firefox supports multi-touch only on windows 7. when you acted all arrogant about direct2d support saying you don't care about windows specific improvements, how could you point out to me a feature that is even more hardware and software specific? that stinks of double standards and just a compulsive need to defend firefox without thinking about the matter.
i use firefox as my main and only browser, even on linux where i find it bloated and slow compared to other options. but i have the ability to identify major shortcomings in the development of ff4, without fanboyism clouding my judgment.
i've seen a handful around the city. but they all were less 'car' than 'two enclosed seats and a steering wheel'.
i really think you should read the story before commenting. the point is that humanity has forgotten all about mental math, and this guy rediscovers it.
i bet all of those 1415 bugs are just minor issues that won't hurt anyone. the benefit to coming out of beta is that extensions will start supporting ff4, which many of them do not right now.
also, they've been delaying release for a long time. the new features ff4 has over the current stable version are:
1. ui-which i can already get through a theme.
2. JägerMonkey engine- which has already been beaten by the current stable version of chrome, and which is closely followed by the current beta of ie9.
3. Direct2D acceleration- ie9 beta's been doing that since forever.
now i understand that ff4 beta also has these features, but that leads us to the conclusion that ff4 development has slowed down enough to match the glacial pace of microsoft.
okay, but they should have a schedule. right now, they're just coding and coding without even having a tentative release date. 2011 is not a release date.
also, since they've delayed ff4 for perhaps a year now, they should hurry and fix the remaining bugs in later patches.
i seriously need them to release ff4. enough beta-ing around already!!1
you could say the same about .net and .org. the thing is, you should be allowed to choose whatever comes after the dot. and it need not be related to the content of the website. just like you're free to name your tech blog 'the pink unicorn'.
poor encryption==stored in the clear
i deleted my account.
imo, engadget is much better than gizmodo. though i do find useful lifehacker page when searching for specific software.
no, it was meant to be used against a website not a user.
sucky browser, mate!
because european commies will fine them for $billions.
on my system msmpeng sometimes starts taking 20-25% cpu for no reason at all. you just have to wait it out and maybe it stops after 10 minutes or so.
yeah well i hate it when i wake my lappie up in the morning, and realize after 15 minutes that 25% of the 6 hour battery has been consumed by a full system scan. i wouldn't have minded a once a week scan. but this thing performs a full scan every day and partial scans every fucking 8 hours. the worst part is that it doesn't care about being on battery power. imo, auto scans should be done only when connected to ac power.
so, if you can tell me of any difference between forefront and mse i'd be very thankful.
i have on my uni provided laptop forefront client security. it seems to be identical to MSE. the only problem is that these idiots have made it impossible to change the auto scan schedule. does anybody know of a good reason not to uninstall forefront and install MSE?
no cure for good old greed.
but then no company can claim to have an 'internet' or 'data' plan. they can name it something like 'skype plan' or 'youtube video plan'. you simply can't call it data, if you're not treating all data the same.
what's sad is that now it has become acceptable to have an unlimited mobile internet plan 'upto 5gb'. wtf??!!
does not have good performance==iphone does not have processing power to run flash
I have a higher-end quad core i7 and 12GB ram .. playing a flash video makes all 4 cores work and uses a rediculous amount of ram.
that really can't be true. maybe crysis is running on another monitor??