"He who would give up some freedom for a little temporary safety deserve neither." --Benjamin Franklin
So, you want to model it on the GPL.
In other words, you want to model your employment contract on a software license which contains some questionable provisions, vague language, and has not been tested in court.
Ummm. Excuse me. Lots of legislation is written before it is tested in a court of law. Actually that is required. I don't understand how you can restrict your faith in the rules of your government to those that have already had judical review. I mean hello.There are two other branches of government (in the US and several other big democracies).
You want to base your personal intellectual freedom and your ability to earn a living on the ivory-tower utopian principles of one RMS.
Benjamin Franklin didn't live in an ivory tower. He was busy asking the French for some money to kick British Butt. It seems to me that the boilerplate contract stuff (AKA the topic at hand) is all about freedom not CRAZY LOW PRICES.
This isn't about getting a good price on a VCR, Home Stereo, or Washing machine from Crazy Eddie's Home Electronics. These documents can help organize workers. They provide a line in the sand that employers can see. Employers can be invited (cordially) to participate. This is the "Yearning to breath free" kind of freedom.
You do, of course, understand that if RMS had his way, you would be coding for free. You would instead make your money answering support questions for your software or (like him) you would become a tenured professor.
Uhhh. No. That is what Microsoft wants to do. They want to have your monthly subscription automatically deducted from your account.
Hmmmm.... Since it's all about information wanting to be free, maybe RMS should offer his courses free of charge. I digress, however.
Again you confuse you wallet with your vote.
My point is this: Until all provisions of the GPL are upheld by a court in my locale, I would rather not rely on some boilerplate derivative when my ability to provide for my family is at stake.
And your refrigrator warrenty has more ambigous language than the General Public License. You still own a refrigerator. You still expect to get help with faulty workmanship from the manufacturer. Guess what! It is likely that wasn't tested in a court of law either.
This isn't about information at a nice low price. This is about the ability to have a school play that is an adaptation of Shakspere. This is about having a mountain of software with the source code; with the ability to redistribute the code changes you have made.
This is about the Benjamins (no pun intended) that we must find in each of us. We have to recognize when change is at hand. We have to act upon it. We must act before further rights are taken away! We must take back the rights already taken!
I would really rather not find out the hard way that provisions which are perfectly acceptable in, say, Kalifornia, are not binding in my state.
If it isn't binding, then big whoop. It just means that you have to not distribute what you wrote.
In short, I'll trust a local attorney retained on my own dime before I'll turn my career over to some fresh-from-the-bar-exam night law school grad with stars in her eyes and visions of intellectual freedom in her head.
Sounds like you prefer the crack house to the bar. These contract snipets aren't about things that can get you killed or put in jail.
I hope you don't vote.
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"It hurts when I pee" -- Benjamin Franklin
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He would offer to kick anybody's (teacher, principle, kid, parent) ass. That was the best thing about my dad's problem resolution skills.
This motivated me to solve my problems by using the school systems large bureaucratic rule book to roll over any little shit that tauted me too much. (Teasing is teasing. If the situation grows to regular stealing and poking, it is time for someone to go down.) Since I was normally a good kid, I would just get both the punk and myself in trouble. The twit usually had more offenses than me. He got more punishment and learned not to do anything that could get him into trouble.
It makes me want to say BOOYA! just thinking about this.
Here at the University of Louisville we have the (advertising) slogan "Dare to be Great". This has sparked parodies such as "Dare to be Stupid".
Some how those parodies don't have the irony of "America's Next Great University". It brings a message of "Eeehh, we are not so great yet. But by the time you graduate, we will really kick ass!"
Besides, we have Pitino now. So I don't think that UK deserves basketball.edu. Although we might get pitino.edu and rename the school to University of Pitino.
I like being able to have the source code to programs. Having the source means I can make changes and modifications that a binary wouldn't let me.
If I want to change the way my windows manager places titles, I have only to change the source. This is a simple example.
One of the reasons BSD style sockets are so popular is because the source was given away. It took "2-3 years" (or some large measure of effort) to develop and mature BSD sockets (when they were in just BSD). But now that code (especially source level interfaces) is in a lot of different operating systems. Yes, you can see the letters BSD in socket.h of a MS C development environment.
So you see the ablity of using other people source code is important. It can be important even for games. Imagine if the next video conferencing was done with the quake engine.
The factory installed DIMM (or any DIMM to be installed in the lower (harder to get to) socket requires an Low Profile (skinny ceramic on the ICs) SO-DIMM.
Actually ownership of land was a werid idea to the Navtive Peoples of America. That is why that island in the Atlantic that most of New York City sits on was originally purchased for some beads and bells. The Natives didn't understand how people could own land.
I also don't understand what makes people think that fair use should be increasingly limited. All of this new technology should allow more fair use not less. Why is that idea so repulsive to some?
They can't take copyright laws from my cold dead fingers
Actually they can take copyright from your cold dead fingers. That is how the founders of this country insured property rights. They killed people and took their land. Or killed those who tried to take the land away from them. This is true for what ever country you are from. This has always been true. (America hasn't always felt as it does now about copyright.)
Taking things away from cold dead people is really easy. That is why real freedom has to be kept by the viligent few willing to fight (war or lawsuits) for their rights.
At one point, I was using NT at work, Unix (AIX, HPUX, Linux) at school, and a purple iMac at home (that ran MacOS, LinuxPPC (for a while), and YellowDog (for the other part of the while)). I can even feel your pain about that whole 'not popular but better' situation. (I really liked the macintosh useablity and hardware monopoly/integration.)
And I agree with your statement that Bob could say something worthwhile (with or without any intent of doing so).
But.. The whole point of trolling (baiting) a discussion forum is to get obvious and/or empassioned responses. (I liken this to peeing just to see the bubbles.) Ideally we are looking for insightful, well formed, thought out, or funny thoughts and responses.
In other words, posting goat sex repeatedly is one thing. Get someone to click the goat sex link expecting something entirely different, is a second level. Getting one of the authors (esp CmdrTaco) to post a story that has an irelevant link is a third thing.
Actual Point of my original post:Actually trolling one of the subjects of a slashdot interview may not be the holy grail of trolling, but it has got to be up there on the relic heirarcy with a sliver of the crucifix. He will probably get double word score just for the +5.
I'm pretty sure that stocks price (or value) has nothing to do with the persistance of an operating system.
All those stocks you listed where pretty worthless before the companies existed. Hell, Apple stock price (according to an analysis by cringelyhere) at one time had very little to do with the value of the company.
Stock price isn't a good indication of how successfully a company's strategy. Stock price is a good indication of ignorance.
Tech stocks are the best example of the idiot margin. (where this is probably some idiot who will pay more money for your stock than you.)
Imagine that someone calls the cops because there is screaming or shooting noises coming out of your house (even if it is the TV). You can be sure that the cops are going to take a look-see without waiting for a warrant. Exclaimation!
Even the Strict Contstructionists (on the supreme court) are likely to agree with that practice.
If you don't want to read, watch more Law and Order. It is accurate enough to make canadian leaders mad because teens learn more about the US justice system than the canadian justice system.
Currently, legal entanglements make it impossible for a university to censor the child porn newsgroups. If they do censor, they can get sued for all (netnews, ftp, http, blahp) content that the is on the university network storage.
DMCA sucks.
The therory is that if you control one part of the content on a network, you are responsible for all the content. This is prohibitively expensive for a university to keep squeaky clean.
In this way people who support censor legislation have in effect widdled a niche for child abusers to exist. No special (computer) protocal needed.
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"He who would give up some freedom for a little temporary safety deserve neither." --Benjamin Franklin
So, you want to model it on the GPL.
In other words, you want to model your employment contract on a software license which contains some questionable provisions, vague language, and has not been tested in court.
Ummm. Excuse me. Lots of legislation is written before it is tested in a court of law. Actually that is required. I don't understand how you can restrict your faith in the rules of your government to those that have already had judical review. I mean hello.There are two other branches of government (in the US and several other big democracies).
You want to base your personal intellectual freedom and your ability to earn a living on the ivory-tower utopian principles of one RMS.
Benjamin Franklin didn't live in an ivory tower. He was busy asking the French for some money to kick British Butt. It seems to me that the boilerplate contract stuff (AKA the topic at hand) is all about freedom not CRAZY LOW PRICES.
This isn't about getting a good price on a VCR, Home Stereo, or Washing machine from Crazy Eddie's Home Electronics. These documents can help organize workers. They provide a line in the sand that employers can see. Employers can be invited (cordially) to participate. This is the "Yearning to breath free" kind of freedom.
You do, of course, understand that if RMS had his way, you would be coding for free. You would instead make your money answering support questions for your software or (like him) you would become a tenured professor.
Uhhh. No. That is what Microsoft wants to do. They want to have your monthly subscription automatically deducted from your account.
Hmmmm.... Since it's all about information wanting to be free, maybe RMS should offer his courses free of charge. I digress, however.
Again you confuse you wallet with your vote.
My point is this: Until all provisions of the GPL are upheld by a court in my locale, I would rather not rely on some boilerplate derivative when my ability to provide for my family is at stake.
And your refrigrator warrenty has more ambigous language than the General Public License. You still own a refrigerator. You still expect to get help with faulty workmanship from the manufacturer. Guess what! It is likely that wasn't tested in a court of law either.
This isn't about information at a nice low price. This is about the ability to have a school play that is an adaptation of Shakspere. This is about having a mountain of software with the source code; with the ability to redistribute the code changes you have made.
This is about the Benjamins (no pun intended) that we must find in each of us. We have to recognize when change is at hand. We have to act upon it. We must act before further rights are taken away! We must take back the rights already taken!
I would really rather not find out the hard way that provisions which are perfectly acceptable in, say, Kalifornia, are not binding in my state.
If it isn't binding, then big whoop. It just means that you have to not distribute what you wrote.
In short, I'll trust a local attorney retained on my own dime before I'll turn my career over to some fresh-from-the-bar-exam night law school grad with stars in her eyes and visions of intellectual freedom in her head.
Sounds like you prefer the crack house to the bar. These contract snipets aren't about things that can get you killed or put in jail.
I hope you don't vote.
---
"It hurts when I pee" -- Benjamin Franklin
He would offer to kick anybody's (teacher, principle, kid, parent) ass. That was the best thing about my dad's problem resolution skills.
This motivated me to solve my problems by using the school systems large bureaucratic rule book to roll over any little shit that tauted me too much. (Teasing is teasing. If the situation grows to regular stealing and poking, it is time for someone to go down.) Since I was normally a good kid, I would just get both the punk and myself in trouble. The twit usually had more offenses than me. He got more punishment and learned not to do anything that could get him into trouble.
It makes me want to say BOOYA! just thinking about this.
Here at the University of Louisville we have the (advertising) slogan "Dare to be Great". This has sparked parodies such as "Dare to be Stupid".
Some how those parodies don't have the irony of "America's Next Great University". It brings a message of "Eeehh, we are not so great yet. But by the time you graduate, we will really kick ass!"
Besides, we have Pitino now. So I don't think that UK deserves basketball.edu. Although we might get pitino.edu and rename the school to University of Pitino.
I like being able to have the source code to programs. Having the source means I can make changes and modifications that a binary wouldn't let me.
If I want to change the way my windows manager places titles, I have only to change the source. This is a simple example.
One of the reasons BSD style sockets are so popular is because the source was given away. It took "2-3 years" (or some large measure of effort) to develop and mature BSD sockets (when they were in just BSD). But now that code (especially source level interfaces) is in a lot of different operating systems. Yes, you can see the letters BSD in socket.h of a MS C development environment.
So you see the ablity of using other people source code is important. It can be important even for games. Imagine if the next video conferencing was done with the quake engine.
iMacs use 144 pin DIMMs as well.
The factory installed DIMM (or any DIMM to be installed in the lower (harder to get to) socket requires an Low Profile (skinny ceramic on the ICs) SO-DIMM.
Actually ownership of land was a werid idea to the Navtive Peoples of America. That is why that island in the Atlantic that most of New York City sits on was originally purchased for some beads and bells. The Natives didn't understand how people could own land.
I also don't understand what makes people think that fair use should be increasingly limited. All of this new technology should allow more fair use not less. Why is that idea so repulsive to some?
They can't take copyright laws from my cold dead fingers
Actually they can take copyright from your cold dead fingers. That is how the founders of this country insured property rights. They killed people and took their land. Or killed those who tried to take the land away from them. This is true for what ever country you are from. This has always been true. (America hasn't always felt as it does now about copyright.)
Taking things away from cold dead people is really easy. That is why real freedom has to be kept by the viligent few willing to fight (war or lawsuits) for their rights.
At one point, I was using NT at work, Unix (AIX, HPUX, Linux) at school, and a purple iMac at home (that ran MacOS, LinuxPPC (for a while), and YellowDog (for the other part of the while)). I can even feel your pain about that whole 'not popular but better' situation. (I really liked the macintosh useablity and hardware monopoly/integration.)
And I agree with your statement that Bob could say something worthwhile (with or without any intent of doing so).
But..
The whole point of trolling (baiting) a discussion forum is to get obvious and/or empassioned responses. (I liken this to peeing just to see the bubbles.) Ideally we are looking for insightful, well formed, thought out, or funny thoughts and responses.
In other words, posting goat sex repeatedly is one thing. Get someone to click the goat sex link expecting something entirely different, is a second level. Getting one of the authors (esp CmdrTaco) to post a story that has an irelevant link is a third thing.
Actual Point of my original post:Actually trolling one of the subjects of a slashdot interview may not be the holy grail of trolling, but it has got to be up there on the relic heirarcy with a sliver of the crucifix. He will probably get double word score just for the +5.
Bob Abooey is a Howard Stern/goat sexing troll. This account is hardly ever doing anything but spewing flamebait.
Why is it that the moderators don't remember his previous antics as the guy that says
Another poster has already pointed out the technical reasons Bob Aboobey has his head up his butt.
The only thing more annoying would be
'Imagine a beowulf cluster of Bob Abooey(s)'
Please! Stop the insanity. Bury Bob Abooey.
Or Ghandi
Or nader(although I liked exploding cars)
George Washington didn't put up with crap. We do I?
This isn't idealism. This is the everyday struggle that good men must fight to keep from having a jack boot on your throat.
I'm pretty sure that stocks price (or value) has nothing to do with the persistance of an operating system.
All those stocks you listed where pretty worthless before the companies existed. Hell, Apple stock price (according to an analysis by cringelyhere) at one time had very little to do with the value of the company.
Stock price isn't a good indication of how successfully a company's strategy. Stock price is a good indication of ignorance.
Tech stocks are the best example of the idiot margin. (where this is probably some idiot who will pay more money for your stock than you.)
Imagine that someone calls the cops because there is screaming or shooting noises coming out of your house (even if it is the TV). You can be sure that the cops are going to take a look-see without waiting for a warrant. Exclaimation!
Even the Strict Contstructionists (on the supreme court) are likely to agree with that practice.
If you don't want to read, watch more Law and Order. It is accurate enough to make canadian leaders mad because teens learn more about the US justice system than the canadian justice system.
DMCA sucks.
The therory is that if you control one part of the content on a network, you are responsible for all the content. This is prohibitively expensive for a university to keep squeaky clean.
In this way people who support censor legislation have in effect widdled a niche for child abusers to exist. No special (computer) protocal needed.