May I, kick a little something for the G's (yeah) and, make a few ends as (yeah!) I breeze, through 2 in the mornin and the party's still jumpin cause my momma ain't home...
I got bitches in the living room gettin it on
And they aint leavin till six in the mornin'
So what you wanna do, shit
I got a pocket rull of rubbers and my homeboys do too
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Rollin down the street, smokin indo, sippin on gin and juice (beeyatch!)
Cars, are smelly, murderous, obs1337 industrial equipment
So that's why I like them!
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ObSpandexIsFuglyNoMatterHowTonedYourAssIs:
One pro to cars even you can agree with: people don't wear neon spandex while driving them.
Why do cyclists feel the need to wear that crap?
You're just riding a damn bike, not being jammed into a giant anime robot.
(Yes, I know that's not a robot. But it's close enough.)
But it's way too expensive a hobby for me to actually do anything aside from basic maintenance.
So, I change my oil, flush my coolant, replace worn parts, but that's about it, I don't have the time, money or space for a project car, as much as I'd like to have one.
Biggest negative - I paid for it and I can't register it because I would have to get a Passport
Just outta curiosity, why do you want to register it? Is it forced?[1]
I've never felt the need to voluntarily submit my contact info[2] to some corporation - I paid for the software, it's a done deal.
After all, it's not like the software has a warranty.
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[1] Even if it is, there's most likely a crack.
[2] Data which will probably eventually end up on some spammer or junkmailer's list...
NextStep as the dominant unix UI would've been a bad thing in that it is proprietary
I don't view the world from the same good/bad, black/white point of view you do.
If NeXTStep had become the dominant UNIX GUI years ago, I might have UNIX, not windows on my PCs now.
(Background on why I prefer win/mac on non-servers: I loathe X. See my posting history for why.)
Now tell me, which would you rather have people using? NeXTStep, or Windows?
Had OS X become Apple's default years ago (presumably in the form of NextStep), perhaps Gnome and KDE wouldn't have gotten off the ground and *Step would've become the single dominant Unix UI. Now there's no holding back Gnome or KDE.
X...and...X.
That is a choice?
At least with win the GUI doesn't suck/too/ bad, and on mac the GUI kicks my ass.
The closest thing to a consistent GUI in *NIX is CDE...how sad is that?
For example, a Yes/No dialog appeared on the screen so I naturally hit "Y" on the keyboard instead of clicking the button. It didn't work. I also found myself trying to hit ALT-F4 to close the current window...it didn't work either.
And this is why I do all my lightweight (non-server, non-net analysis) stuff under Windoze or Mac.
Inconsistency bugs the hell outta me, and X is inconsistent by design.
Only on X do you have hundreds of toolkits, all with different look, feel, and keyboard shortcuts.
(Strangely enough, X devotees see this as a benefit. I'll never grasp that concept.)
Gnome and KDE are pointless, because they don't fix the inherent lack of UI standards,
instead they just add one more possible UI variant, and just end up creating even more inconsistency.
Near as I can tell, the only really nice feature X has is the network capability, everything else X does is just a poor copy of windows or mac.
So, until something better comes along (Berlin?), I'll continue using win/mac on my desktop.
It does what I need it to do (I even have the excellent CLI UNIX tools, thanks to CygWin), and doesn't irritate me like X does - in fact, the only drawback is I can't be all elitist about using the same thing everyone else does.
Ever notice that a lot of piracy is of big-ticket, high-end software packages (Maya, Lightwave, Photoshop, Visual Studio, etc)?
And that a lot of it is done by college students?
People that, by and large, like to play with things, but don't have much money?
No college student or tinkerer is going to drop $2500 on a software package that he/she is only going to play with.
Many companies offer "educational" licenses, but usually the discounts are only a couple hundred bucks off the retail, so legal software is still out of reach of most people, not to mention the discount is only applicable to students.
My solution?
Non-commercial use licenses.
Sell licenses that basically just offsets the cost of the media, with the restriction that the software can't be used for commercial purposes.
Corporations (the main market for high-end software) still pay full price, but students and tinkerers get the software for virtually nothing.
The software companies lose nothing (since people that can't afford the software at retail prices won't buy it anyways) and create a huge base of (mostly young) people that will potentially become commercial customers in the future.
Enforce non-commercial use the same way we enforce educational use now, with EULAs and, when necessary, feds.
Yes, there will be cheaters, but there are cheaters now, and I don't see the software industry suffering.
The way I see it, everyone wins.
Big companies pay big money, kids making weird flash movies in their parents' basement, don't.
Get a well-stocked bar, some good food, a decent DJ that
plays a wide variety of (good) music[1], and a few
game consoles with multiplayer party-friendly games[2].
If people dig the games, set up a projector and have contests. Remember, tho, this is a/party/ not a videogame tourney.
Above all, do NOT play dumb, forced-interaction party games.
The only thing these will do is either annoy or freak out the people you're trying to entertain.
Gift exchanges are dumb, too. No one wants to go shopping, let alone shop for something that means nothing to them.
Basically, don't force people to do anything, just make a fun environment where people will/want/ to do stuff.
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[1] No Britney Spears or similar cheesy pop-dance music. I have yet to meet a nerd that likes that stuff.
[2] Kung-fu fighting games, racing games, shooters, etc.
N64 has prolly the best selection of 'party' games right now, and it's cheap to boot.
Believe what you like.
I'm not even sure the OS race has started yet, let alone ended.
Besides, not everyone is after "world domination", some people just want a secure, reliable OS.
The same can be said of cute ncurses-based installers. Why not just make everybody edit a text file on the boot floppy?
Some things (NIC detection, for example) are better when interactive, and a console-based installer provides that capability with a minimum of work on the coder's end, and maximum compatibility for the user.
(But in some cases (like setting up a bunch of identical boxes) a text install config file can be/really nice/ for automation.)
Or of EMACS; why not just use ed? All that extra functionality is just frippery.
Where'd that come from? The original post was talking about making a GUI installer
that had no more inherent functionality than the console installer.
Your analogy is bogus, as it misses my original point.
Besides, adding GUI doesn't necessarily represent a "dumbing down" of the product. The installer can still ask the same questions, but in a more user friendly manner.
I see that as being a pointless waste of effort.
Why would it be good to work on a graphical installer (which entails difficult and failure-prone things such as video device detection) that does exactly the same think as a console installer?
The only benefit is that it would look prettier - installation would still remain just as "difficult"[1].
The utilitarian console installer works fine, and I see no reason waste man-hours on changing it, when that same time could be spent improving important things.
Cute graphical installers are just frippery.
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[1] Difficult in quotes because I've done several OpenBSD installs and never found it to be any more difficult to install than Linux or NT.
Nobody asks for a signature for mailorder or online purchases- how would they DO that.
While it isn't done often, it does happen.
They do it by fax machine or snail mail, and it's a real PITA, especially when you don't have a fax machine.
I bought a MC218 (Psion 5mx copy) from Expansys in the UK, and
they had me fax over a signed photocopy of my card and my driver's license before they'd run my order.
Not sure if they do this for all orders or just for international ones tho.
True enough that MS currently dominates, but I think that everyone can agree that that was due to illegal practices on Microsoft's part.
Not really. In fact the whole Netscape thing seems to be
one of the few cases where MS fought fairly.
MS beat Netscape because Netscape allowed their browser to stagnate, while MS made huge leaps on theirs.
Netscape got complacent, and lost the market because of it.
It wasn't the bundling of IE that killed NS, it's because NS's browser sucked in comparison with IE.
I dunno. Sounds like something JWZ, Theo de Raadt or Jordan K Hubbard might say.
I just saw it on a forum somewhere. Mighta even been crapdot.
The BSD crowd seems to have more of a utilitarian "because it works" attitude rather than the "because it's cool" attitude the linux crowd has, and I happen to like that better.
Note how the main things the BSD faction has been working on (and are known for) are serving and security, while the main thing the linux people have been working on over the last few years are toolkits and desktops.
(Aside from all the window managers and mp3 players, that is...)
Looks like it'd be pretty cool...
If I could fucking use it!
It appears (on a background of absolutely vile SPAM-pink, even) that he banned my entire subnet.
Why the hell do people feel the need to ban entire goddamn subnets because of one misbehaving IP?
The General Instruments SPO256 chipset?
The '256 took coded phonemes an outputted audio,
while the other chip in the set (don't remember the name) took ASCII serial data and
converted it to phoneme codes the '256 could understand.
This set has been around for prolly close to 20 years now. (I remember finding a variant of it in
the Intellivison voice module ["Bee Sevunteen Bahlllllmer"!] that I believe was circa 1984.)
The '256 has been discontinued for a long time now, and I'm kinda excited to see
something similar to it show up, it was a cool gadget.
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May I, kick a little something for the G's (yeah) and, make a few ends as (yeah!) I breeze, through 2 in the mornin and the party's still jumpin cause my momma ain't home...
I got bitches in the living room gettin it on
And they aint leavin till six in the mornin'
So what you wanna do, shit
I got a pocket rull of rubbers and my homeboys do too
C-X C-S
Rollin down the street, smokin indo, sippin on gin and juice (beeyatch!)
...and see Microsoft looking back at you!
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Cars, are smelly, murderous, obs1337 industrial equipment
So that's why I like them!
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ObSpandexIsFuglyNoMatterHowTonedYourAssIs:
One pro to cars even you can agree with: people don't wear neon spandex while driving them.
Why do cyclists feel the need to wear that crap?
You're just riding a damn bike, not being jammed into a giant anime robot.
(Yes, I know that's not a robot. But it's close enough.)
But it's way too expensive a hobby for me to actually do anything aside from basic maintenance.
So, I change my oil, flush my coolant, replace worn parts, but that's about it, I don't have the time, money or space for a project car, as much as I'd like to have one.
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Biggest negative - I paid for it and I can't register it because I would have to get a Passport
Just outta curiosity, why do you want to register it? Is it forced?[1]
I've never felt the need to voluntarily submit my contact info[2] to some corporation - I paid for the software, it's a done deal.
After all, it's not like the software has a warranty.
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[1] Even if it is, there's most likely a crack.
[2] Data which will probably eventually end up on some spammer or junkmailer's list...
What does "this" refer to?
The NeXTStep dominating the UNIX GUI world.
NextStep as the dominant unix UI would've been a bad thing in that it is proprietary
I don't view the world from the same good/bad, black/white point of view you do.
If NeXTStep had become the dominant UNIX GUI years ago, I might have UNIX, not windows on my PCs now.
(Background on why I prefer win/mac on non-servers: I loathe X. See my posting history for why.)
Now tell me, which would you rather have people using? NeXTStep, or Windows?
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Had OS X become Apple's default years ago (presumably in the form of NextStep), perhaps Gnome and KDE wouldn't have gotten off the ground and *Step would've become the single dominant Unix UI. Now there's no holding back Gnome or KDE.
And this would be bad HOW?
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I mean cmon, in this 'new age' of communication, surely we should all be 'p2p' without any corporate intervention, via radio-waves ?
I belive we already have this technology. It's called a "walkie-talkie".
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Come on! Linux is about choice most of all.
/too/ bad, and on mac the GUI kicks my ass.
What are my display choices in linux?
X...and...X.
That is a choice?
At least with win the GUI doesn't suck
The closest thing to a consistent GUI in *NIX is CDE...how sad is that?
M-X jihad-against-suckyness
We're not selling a product here.
:D
Not any more at least!
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For example, a Yes/No dialog appeared on the screen so I naturally hit "Y" on the keyboard instead of clicking the button. It didn't work. I also found myself trying to hit ALT-F4 to close the current window...it didn't work either.
And this is why I do all my lightweight (non-server, non-net analysis) stuff under Windoze or Mac.
Inconsistency bugs the hell outta me, and X is inconsistent by design.
Only on X do you have hundreds of toolkits, all with different look, feel, and keyboard shortcuts.
(Strangely enough, X devotees see this as a benefit. I'll never grasp that concept.)
Gnome and KDE are pointless, because they don't fix the inherent lack of UI standards,
instead they just add one more possible UI variant, and just end up creating even more inconsistency.
Near as I can tell, the only really nice feature X has is the network capability, everything else X does is just a poor copy of windows or mac.
So, until something better comes along (Berlin?), I'll continue using win/mac on my desktop.
It does what I need it to do (I even have the excellent CLI UNIX tools, thanks to CygWin), and doesn't irritate me like X does - in fact, the only drawback is I can't be all elitist about using the same thing everyone else does.
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Of the same music! Damn, America has two types of music - Country and Western!
Not true! You forgot "shitty teen pop" and "shitty rap-metal".
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Ever notice that a lot of piracy is of big-ticket, high-end software packages (Maya, Lightwave, Photoshop, Visual Studio, etc)?
And that a lot of it is done by college students?
People that, by and large, like to play with things, but don't have much money?
No college student or tinkerer is going to drop $2500 on a software package that he/she is only going to play with.
Many companies offer "educational" licenses, but usually the discounts are only a couple hundred bucks off the retail, so legal software is still out of reach of most people, not to mention the discount is only applicable to students.
My solution?
Non-commercial use licenses.
Sell licenses that basically just offsets the cost of the media, with the restriction that the software can't be used for commercial purposes.
Corporations (the main market for high-end software) still pay full price, but students and tinkerers get the software for virtually nothing.
The software companies lose nothing (since people that can't afford the software at retail prices won't buy it anyways) and create a huge base of (mostly young) people that will potentially become commercial customers in the future.
Enforce non-commercial use the same way we enforce educational use now, with EULAs and, when necessary, feds.
Yes, there will be cheaters, but there are cheaters now, and I don't see the software industry suffering.
The way I see it, everyone wins.
Big companies pay big money, kids making weird flash movies in their parents' basement, don't.
C-X C-S
Get a well-stocked bar, some good food, a decent DJ that /party/ not a videogame tourney.
/want/ to do stuff.
plays a wide variety of (good) music[1], and a few
game consoles with multiplayer party-friendly games[2].
If people dig the games, set up a projector and have contests. Remember, tho, this is a
Above all, do NOT play dumb, forced-interaction party games.
The only thing these will do is either annoy or freak out the people you're trying to entertain.
Gift exchanges are dumb, too. No one wants to go shopping, let alone shop for something that means nothing to them.
Basically, don't force people to do anything, just make a fun environment where people will
C-X C-S
[1] No Britney Spears or similar cheesy pop-dance music. I have yet to meet a nerd that likes that stuff.
[2] Kung-fu fighting games, racing games, shooters, etc.
N64 has prolly the best selection of 'party' games right now, and it's cheap to boot.
The C-X C-S in your signature.
Um...yeah. I figured.
I was wondering where the EMACS/ed comparison itself came from...
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And that is why the *BSDs are an "also-ran".
/really nice/ for automation.)
Believe what you like.
I'm not even sure the OS race has started yet, let alone ended.
Besides, not everyone is after "world domination", some people just want a secure, reliable OS.
The same can be said of cute ncurses-based installers. Why not just make everybody edit a text file on the boot floppy?
Some things (NIC detection, for example) are better when interactive, and a console-based installer provides that capability with a minimum of work on the coder's end, and maximum compatibility for the user.
(But in some cases (like setting up a bunch of identical boxes) a text install config file can be
Or of EMACS; why not just use ed? All that extra functionality is just frippery.
Where'd that come from? The original post was talking about making a GUI installer
that had no more inherent functionality than the console installer.
Your analogy is bogus, as it misses my original point.
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Besides, adding GUI doesn't necessarily represent a "dumbing down" of the product. The installer can still ask the same questions, but in a more user friendly manner.
I see that as being a pointless waste of effort.
Why would it be good to work on a graphical installer (which entails difficult and failure-prone things such as video device detection) that does exactly the same think as a console installer?
The only benefit is that it would look prettier - installation would still remain just as "difficult"[1].
The utilitarian console installer works fine, and I see no reason waste man-hours on changing it, when that same time could be spent improving important things.
Cute graphical installers are just frippery.
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[1] Difficult in quotes because I've done several OpenBSD installs and never found it to be any more difficult to install than Linux or NT.
Nobody asks for a signature for mailorder or online purchases- how would they DO that.
While it isn't done often, it does happen.
They do it by fax machine or snail mail, and it's a real PITA, especially when you don't have a fax machine.
I bought a MC218 (Psion 5mx copy) from Expansys in the UK, and
they had me fax over a signed photocopy of my card and my driver's license before they'd run my order.
Not sure if they do this for all orders or just for international ones tho.
C-X C-S
True enough that MS currently dominates, but I think that everyone can agree that that was due to illegal practices on Microsoft's part.
Not really. In fact the whole Netscape thing seems to be
one of the few cases where MS fought fairly.
MS beat Netscape because Netscape allowed their browser to stagnate, while MS made huge leaps on theirs.
Netscape got complacent, and lost the market because of it.
It wasn't the bundling of IE that killed NS, it's because NS's browser sucked in comparison with IE.
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I dunno. Sounds like something JWZ, Theo de Raadt or Jordan K Hubbard might say.
I just saw it on a forum somewhere. Mighta even been crapdot.
The BSD crowd seems to have more of a utilitarian "because it works" attitude rather than the "because it's cool" attitude the linux crowd has, and I happen to like that better.
Note how the main things the BSD faction has been working on (and are known for) are serving and security, while the main thing the linux people have been working on over the last few years are toolkits and desktops.
(Aside from all the window managers and mp3 players, that is...)
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How long do ya'll think it'll take till someone
writes an emulation app for xbox games?
In comparison to writing an N64 or PlayStation emu (which have both been done), emulating the very PC-like xbox on an PC should be a piece of cake.
Are there any such projects in the works yet?
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Looks like it'd be pretty cool...
If I could fucking use it!
It appears (on a background of absolutely vile SPAM-pink, even) that he banned my entire subnet.
Why the hell do people feel the need to ban entire goddamn subnets because of one misbehaving IP?
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The General Instruments SPO256 chipset?
The '256 took coded phonemes an outputted audio,
while the other chip in the set (don't remember the name) took ASCII serial data and
converted it to phoneme codes the '256 could understand.
This set has been around for prolly close to 20 years now. (I remember finding a variant of it in
the Intellivison voice module ["Bee Sevunteen Bahlllllmer"!] that I believe was circa 1984.)
The '256 has been discontinued for a long time now, and I'm kinda excited to see
something similar to it show up, it was a cool gadget.
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It's open source, that's really the only documentation any reasonably intelligent person needs.
You've obviously never read slashcode.
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...Originally called VA Research anyways?
Heh...any guesses on the severity rating this'll get on FuckedCompany?
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