I hope you are joking in regards to applying torture for such petty reasons (or for any reason, really). If not, go fuck yourself you subhuman creature.
I think it subhuman to put someone in jail for a decade, rather than torture them for five minutes, which is exactly what you do.
Typical slavemaking leftists tyrant. The reality is, you lie about compassion, so you can keep people under your yoke ever longer.
Ok, I'm thinking of the abortion clinic terrorist (and all those hard-core, right-wing, fundamentalist Christians Americans associated with him, or them), I add some french fries. And now I somehow understand "the islamic mind"??
Well, I'm so sorry for your lack of imagination. The play is that what we have here as an abortion clinic bomber, a guy that takes out evil places, but, the french fry making guy, in the islamic world, is also evil, and needs to be taking out. In other words, just as much as the abortion bomber sees the abortionists as a sinner worthy of execution, so too would the jihadists see french fry guy [meaning everyone in society], as, the french fries and fast food would be emblematic of the wealth, and therefor, the satanic temptation, of our society.
Maybe it's just me, but wasn't there something else we did to Japan?
We nuked them. It was a war, and we used our weapon. The Japanese were working on a bomb too. They were poor and didn't get very far with it. And, they were using chemical and biological weapons en-mass on the Chinese and probably would have used them on us, had we landed as part of Operation Olympic.
Nuking them was more humane, and I'd even throw this out there. If we had, in response to 9/11, simply nuked some city in Afghanistan, we probably would have killed like 20,000 people. But, we could have just nuked them and bombed them and been done with it, rather than have a pair of ten year wars.
The most humane way to fight a war is almost to fight it as brutally as possible, to get it over with as quickly as possible. Trying to be nice guys has got us what? going on 10 years of fighting?
So the punishment for armed robbery should be torture? Armed aggressor not in a uniform, right?
I would rather see a short torture than a long imprisonment. I think it is more humane. The man gets punished, say with a flogging or something, and is -done-. No criminal record. No stigma. They did something bad, got spanked, and move on. What we have now is throwing people in prison for a good long time, and to what end? Rehabilitation doesn't work.
Now, if someone robs me, I should be allowed to shoot the guy. This might sound barbaric, but think about it, the point of the crime is the -only- time when you are guaranteed to have the exact criminal. The moment the police start looking for a guy, you've basically opened up the system for error, completely undermining the idea of throwing someone in jail for life.
As for torture, I think the guy that is on trial for locking down San Francisco should have been waterboarded for the passwords, and then set free. What good does putting him in jail actually do? The only actual harm was that the city couldn't do work for a few hours, and even then, its not like the city gov't actually does anything anyway. The guy would have said, "I've locked you down", San Fran would have said, "Oh we're going to waterboard you", he gives up the passwords, and life goes on.
Trying to make our justice system more humane has made it more barbaric than ever. What we have now is a system of concentration camps, and that is a huge mistake.
BTW, we should legalize pot too and change our whole tack on the war on drugs. I do not condone drug use and the whole liberal idea that we can do whatever we want with our bodies and lives is utterly appalling, but, the fact is, the war on drugs doesn't work and the very bedrock of conservatism is to own up to what works and what doesn't and move on, even if it sometimes means admitting that liberals were right.
Sure. If someone's shooting at you, go ahead and shoot back. But if you decide to capture him instead, don't torture him. Seems pretty simple: it's a straightforward application of the principle "don't torture anyone".
And who makes really shit consumer products? Kodak. If Kodak is such a leader, then why are they doing so poorly there, and allowing much smaller companies to take the market?
Because Kodak is actually too small to compete on the economies of scale the consumer market requires. The players in that space are huge. Canon, Sony, etc, are all backed by keiratsu, essentially, the entire country of Japan, including the exchange rate, all geared towards owning that market.
Have to find 12 veterans trained in both the law of the land and the law of war to do that. Unfortunately, less than 10% of Americans serve in the armed forces. So you are right, good luck finding 12 of them and getting them together on one jury.
The rules of engagement are so terrible in Afghanistan right now, that if you put a dozen vets on a jury for a CIA officer on trial for torturing someone in Afghanistan, you've all but guaranteed the CIA guy is going to walk.
What exactly is your point? It's the "righties" who trot out the tired old "they hate us for their freedoms." Stating that's bin Laden's reasoning doesn't imply agreement with his beliefs.
Yeah, but it is true. I mean Osama Bin Laden, has said? Have you actually read what the terrorists have said? Maybe its because of our paranoid right wing ways, but, when Osama Bin Laden says something, when anyone says something about us, around the world, that's bad, we tend to read it. We right wingers will go out to the terrorist sites and read what they say about us. We have our own institutions that track this stuff, and the truth is, well, they actually really do hate us.
They hate the west because of our decadence, because of our uppity women, because of our wealth, our way of life. We're the romans, these guys are the barbarian radicals. They hate because our way of life is not only an assault on their traditions, it is an assault that appears more effective of a way of life than theirs is. To their mind, all of our advance therefor must be the work of satan, because our wealth is merely an evil temptation to abandon their traditional beliefs. We can't be reasoned with, except as a tactic. We are evil, the work of satan, with terrible morals, and we can only be destroyed, don't you get it?
Like, think, abortion clinic bomber logic, but, one that sees not only abortions as evil, but making french fries, and then you kinda have your head around where the islamic mind is at these days.
Surely you don't think German troops wearing Allied uniforms are analogous to independent terrorists and civilians captured in a war zone.
If they are shooting at you, what's the difference? The guy in the uniform declares himself to be a soldier, and to play by the rules of war. The guy who just carries the gun, is not a professional soldier, not playing by the rules, and so he dies.
I mean, somebody shoots at you, you shoot them. It's brutal, but that's war.
None of the people in Gitmo should have ever even been prisoners.
Oh, and we executed Japanese commanders for authorizing the waterboarding of POWs during WWII. Can you explain why Bush and Cheney both shouldn't be in front of a firing squad?
Actually, for the most part, unlike the NAZIs, we really let the Japanese off the hook for World War II. We rooted out the entire German ruling class and pretty much destroyed Prussia. In Japan, we kept the ruling class. We kept Hirohito, we kept a lot of the players behind the scenes. The only guy that really got it was Tojo, who took the blame for the war, really, but really, the Emperor ordered it. And, we hanged Yamashita, I believe, and that was because of the Bataan death march, and, maybe, just maybe, because we took his gold.
I have to ask the question, if, the EMP can punch so much faster than the laser, couldn't the guy that makes the laser just make one that is more powerful, and therefor, cuts faster? It seems to me that this comparison in the article is more of a selling pitch than a legitimate comparison of EMP vs the laser for metal working.
The happened to nearly every postwar US industry. Basically, US capital stock was not destroyed, and, with no competition, there was no perceived need to invest in it, so they didn't. A lot of those plants shuttered in the 1970s and 1980s were based on 1930s tech. Presses, stamping machines, etc, were all OLD. But Japan and Germany had to start from scratch - and frankly, Japan was never industrialized even prior to WWII, so they tended to get newer equipment which, was less used up, had better tolerances, and from there, better quality.
Thus, it is like the classic economic example of the steel mill where it is almost impossible for new competitors to enter the market.
That steelmaking is an area where a lot of people do enter the market. The USA and the UK blew up every steel mill in Germany and Japan during World War II, but, the lead the USA had in steel was destroyed not even 20 years after the war.
Doctors with borders, Telecoms without borders. They cooked all that up, reinforcing the human rights as a species. I still think their best contribution might be mayo and Francois Truffuat, but, hey, this is still pretty good.
and apparently only the 1st Admendment, as both have the brain and body of a sea slu
Once again, liberals resort to personal attacks. And this from a party with some dried up dike in charge of the house of representatives, and a racist white people hater as president.
I thought that to allow JavaScript to access the clipboard, you had to opt in, and even then, you can't really do it the right way under FireFox or Chrome. Like, JavaScript clipboard access is an IE only thing.
Are we sure this isn't a Java application or something?
The whole idea of evolution is that you have differentiation through physical isolation. It is very possible that, due to nationalistic and cultural considerations, we have actually successfully used our minds to create defacto pockets of isolation. These pockets, would indeed have different mutations, and ultimately, could even speciate!
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I hope you are joking in regards to applying torture for such petty reasons (or for any reason, really). If not, go fuck yourself you subhuman creature.
I think it subhuman to put someone in jail for a decade, rather than torture them for five minutes, which is exactly what you do.
Typical slavemaking leftists tyrant. The reality is, you lie about compassion, so you can keep people under your yoke ever longer.
Your idea that someone other than me has any say as to what I do to my own body and life is utterly appalling.
Well, if President Obama has his way, I'll be paying for the upkeep of your body, so at that point, it really wouldn't be yours now, would it?
Ok, I'm thinking of the abortion clinic terrorist (and all those hard-core, right-wing, fundamentalist Christians Americans associated with him, or them), I add some french fries. And now I somehow understand "the islamic mind"??
Well, I'm so sorry for your lack of imagination. The play is that what we have here as an abortion clinic bomber, a guy that takes out evil places, but, the french fry making guy, in the islamic world, is also evil, and needs to be taking out. In other words, just as much as the abortion bomber sees the abortionists as a sinner worthy of execution, so too would the jihadists see french fry guy [meaning everyone in society], as, the french fries and fast food would be emblematic of the wealth, and therefor, the satanic temptation, of our society.
Maybe it's just me, but wasn't there something else we did to Japan?
We nuked them. It was a war, and we used our weapon. The Japanese were working on a bomb too. They were poor and didn't get very far with it. And, they were using chemical and biological weapons en-mass on the Chinese and probably would have used them on us, had we landed as part of Operation Olympic.
Nuking them was more humane, and I'd even throw this out there. If we had, in response to 9/11, simply nuked some city in Afghanistan, we probably would have killed like 20,000 people. But, we could have just nuked them and bombed them and been done with it, rather than have a pair of ten year wars.
The most humane way to fight a war is almost to fight it as brutally as possible, to get it over with as quickly as possible. Trying to be nice guys has got us what? going on 10 years of fighting?
So the punishment for armed robbery should be torture? Armed aggressor not in a uniform, right?
I would rather see a short torture than a long imprisonment. I think it is more humane. The man gets punished, say with a flogging or something, and is -done-. No criminal record. No stigma. They did something bad, got spanked, and move on. What we have now is throwing people in prison for a good long time, and to what end? Rehabilitation doesn't work.
Now, if someone robs me, I should be allowed to shoot the guy. This might sound barbaric, but think about it, the point of the crime is the -only- time when you are guaranteed to have the exact criminal. The moment the police start looking for a guy, you've basically opened up the system for error, completely undermining the idea of throwing someone in jail for life.
As for torture, I think the guy that is on trial for locking down San Francisco should have been waterboarded for the passwords, and then set free. What good does putting him in jail actually do? The only actual harm was that the city couldn't do work for a few hours, and even then, its not like the city gov't actually does anything anyway. The guy would have said, "I've locked you down", San Fran would have said, "Oh we're going to waterboard you", he gives up the passwords, and life goes on.
Trying to make our justice system more humane has made it more barbaric than ever. What we have now is a system of concentration camps, and that is a huge mistake.
BTW, we should legalize pot too and change our whole tack on the war on drugs. I do not condone drug use and the whole liberal idea that we can do whatever we want with our bodies and lives is utterly appalling, but, the fact is, the war on drugs doesn't work and the very bedrock of conservatism is to own up to what works and what doesn't and move on, even if it sometimes means admitting that liberals were right.
Sure. If someone's shooting at you, go ahead and shoot back. But if you decide to capture him instead, don't torture him. Seems pretty simple: it's a straightforward application of the principle "don't torture anyone".
Uniformed prisoners only, is what I am saying.
And who makes really shit consumer products? Kodak. If Kodak is such a leader, then why are they doing so poorly there, and allowing much smaller companies to take the market?
Because Kodak is actually too small to compete on the economies of scale the consumer market requires. The players in that space are huge. Canon, Sony, etc, are all backed by keiratsu, essentially, the entire country of Japan, including the exchange rate, all geared towards owning that market.
Have to find 12 veterans trained in both the law of the land and the law of war to do that. Unfortunately, less than 10% of Americans serve in the armed forces. So you are right, good luck finding 12 of them and getting them together on one jury.
The rules of engagement are so terrible in Afghanistan right now, that if you put a dozen vets on a jury for a CIA officer on trial for torturing someone in Afghanistan, you've all but guaranteed the CIA guy is going to walk.
What exactly is your point? It's the "righties" who trot out the tired old "they hate us for their freedoms." Stating that's bin Laden's reasoning doesn't imply agreement with his beliefs.
Yeah, but it is true. I mean Osama Bin Laden, has said? Have you actually read what the terrorists have said? Maybe its because of our paranoid right wing ways, but, when Osama Bin Laden says something, when anyone says something about us, around the world, that's bad, we tend to read it. We right wingers will go out to the terrorist sites and read what they say about us. We have our own institutions that track this stuff, and the truth is, well, they actually really do hate us.
They hate the west because of our decadence, because of our uppity women, because of our wealth, our way of life. We're the romans, these guys are the barbarian radicals. They hate because our way of life is not only an assault on their traditions, it is an assault that appears more effective of a way of life than theirs is. To their mind, all of our advance therefor must be the work of satan, because our wealth is merely an evil temptation to abandon their traditional beliefs. We can't be reasoned with, except as a tactic. We are evil, the work of satan, with terrible morals, and we can only be destroyed, don't you get it?
Like, think, abortion clinic bomber logic, but, one that sees not only abortions as evil, but making french fries, and then you kinda have your head around where the islamic mind is at these days.
Surely you don't think German troops wearing Allied uniforms are analogous to independent terrorists and civilians captured in a war zone.
If they are shooting at you, what's the difference? The guy in the uniform declares himself to be a soldier, and to play by the rules of war. The guy who just carries the gun, is not a professional soldier, not playing by the rules, and so he dies.
I mean, somebody shoots at you, you shoot them. It's brutal, but that's war.
None of the people in Gitmo should have ever even been prisoners.
Oh, and we executed Japanese commanders for authorizing the waterboarding of POWs during WWII. Can you explain why Bush and Cheney both shouldn't be in front of a firing squad?
Actually, for the most part, unlike the NAZIs, we really let the Japanese off the hook for World War II. We rooted out the entire German ruling class and pretty much destroyed Prussia. In Japan, we kept the ruling class. We kept Hirohito, we kept a lot of the players behind the scenes. The only guy that really got it was Tojo, who took the blame for the war, really, but really, the Emperor ordered it. And, we hanged Yamashita, I believe, and that was because of the Bataan death march, and, maybe, just maybe, because we took his gold.
I have to ask the question, if, the EMP can punch so much faster than the laser, couldn't the guy that makes the laser just make one that is more powerful, and therefor, cuts faster? It seems to me that this comparison in the article is more of a selling pitch than a legitimate comparison of EMP vs the laser for metal working.
It was competition using a different technology.
The happened to nearly every postwar US industry. Basically, US capital stock was not destroyed, and, with no competition, there was no perceived need to invest in it, so they didn't. A lot of those plants shuttered in the 1970s and 1980s were based on 1930s tech. Presses, stamping machines, etc, were all OLD. But Japan and Germany had to start from scratch - and frankly, Japan was never industrialized even prior to WWII, so they tended to get newer equipment which, was less used up, had better tolerances, and from there, better quality.
Thus, it is like the classic economic example of the steel mill where it is almost impossible for new competitors to enter the market.
That steelmaking is an area where a lot of people do enter the market. The USA and the UK blew up every steel mill in Germany and Japan during World War II, but, the lead the USA had in steel was destroyed not even 20 years after the war.
Don't forget the wine.
Yeah, they really do make some rather remarkable wines. Not to mention, champagne!
A lot of people I know that like Bing, like the Bing picture on the 1st page. It was well market researched.
Doctors with borders, Telecoms without borders. They cooked all that up, reinforcing the human rights as a species. I still think their best contribution might be mayo and Francois Truffuat, but, hey, this is still pretty good.
Troll?
I guess you guys missed the joke.. here - liberals are calling names all the time, then calling them names....
ergot. conservatives and liberals are two peas in a pod at this point, and have lost site of any national interest.
and apparently only the 1st Admendment, as both have the brain and body of a sea slu
Once again, liberals resort to personal attacks. And this from a party with some dried up dike in charge of the house of representatives, and a racist white people hater as president.
I'm guessing this is the part right before Kodak goes belly up
Kodak saw the digital writing on the film wall a long, long time ago and has been moving to becoming a leader in digital imaging.
This can be done by overloading the Ctrl+c keypress event, etc.
Then from there, you can get the selection...
I got you.
I thought that to allow JavaScript to access the clipboard, you had to opt in, and even then, you can't really do it the right way under FireFox or Chrome. Like, JavaScript clipboard access is an IE only thing.
Are we sure this isn't a Java application or something?
It seems to me that the presumed Homo Sapiens evolution plateau isn't actually reached yet, but we're still evolving.
Well, people from Delaware are genetically superior, everyone knows that. All of you non-Delawareans are subhuman.
No, the whole idea of evolution is that you have differentiation through physical necessitation
Well, you don't need. It's just, the genes of things that crank out babies are more expressed, and culture matters, but not the way you think.
The whole idea of evolution is that you have differentiation through physical isolation. It is very possible that, due to nationalistic and cultural considerations, we have actually successfully used our minds to create defacto pockets of isolation. These pockets, would indeed have different mutations, and ultimately, could even speciate!