While we in the internet community *hate* SPAM you do bring up a good point. Certainly SPAM sells products and services otherwise we wouldn't be inundated with it.
I wonder what kind of revenue SPAM adds to the economy as a whole. Anyone have any insight to this?
I am not proclaiming to be an expert on this subject... in fact I am far from it. But if I remember correctly I believe that I read some articles about the true purpose of HAARP was conceived as a weather control device to be used in a military fashion. Can anyone correct me on this info? Here is an interesting link - (which may or may not support my post... http://www.earthpulse.com/haarp/
Shark, my day of work is at an end thus so is my/. commentary. However, thank you for your post. It was certainly well thought out and bring up some new thoughts. (As were many of the others who posted).
Understood - but downloading a movie (stealing a movie) and watching it a home, not selling it... or obtaining a copy from a public library and watching it... isn't the same dammage done?
I didn't pay for either - and most likely the library didn't either. (Books, music, and movies are commonly donated by the publishing house).
Squatchman wrote... >>making it available to thousands(millions?) of users at once.
Blaming a small underground group is crazy... you know who is a blatant violator of providing copywrited material, books, music CD, and DVD's to millions of people everyday? Your public library... Maybe the RIAA and MPAA should shut them down.
>>...anytime anyone learned anything from a copyrighted source(textbook) they would have committed an infraction.
What if they didn't pay for the book? I can check out DVD's at the library - isn't the library guilty of P2P voilations? They invite the public to take whatever they want....
I see what you are saying about the P2P advocates stance of 'it's somebody else's greed' - and it does seem counter intuitive I grant you. Stealing is stealing period, however there are some grey areas. If a musician leaning the guitar at home, plays "Stairway to heaven" has he stolen anything? What if an artist painted a picture of the Mona Lisa, and it was really an accurate depiction of the original? If he doesn't sell it or profit from it has he stolen anything?
My frustration (point of this) is not that the movie studios and musicians should give their talents away for free - it's the scale that studio executives profit from it.
Movie tickets go up, concerts tickets are almost at unattainable levels for some, and CD prices are outrageous. Are true cost of a CD in line with the retail price? Absolutely not - but where does the disconnect happen? When studios pay executives $1.6 million dollars a day - we the consumer are going to pick up that tab. That is where the true pirates are.
Agreed. Theft is theft. However, is it worth all this publicity and legal wrangling? Is the RIAA really justified by suing some student for $20k b/c he has a few 'illegal' MP3's? The MPAA and the RIAA are making examples out of people and the punishment hardly fits the crime.
Why can I record a song off the radio but not download one? I know, I know - it's against the law... but show me any record executive or musician who NEVER taped a song as a kid...
For that matter when I get a song or a scene from a movie stuck in my head and it plays over and over - am I stealing?
The MPA and the RIAA need to keep things in perspective! The article acknowledges that these 'groups' are hard to gain access to - >>"The scene is a very close network. Everybody knows everybody else but they haven't met them," said Bruce Forest, a Norwalk, Conn., digital media consultant who says he belonged to the scene for years and now advises entertainment companies. "It can take years until you can get access." will loose their jobs and not get paid b/c you are stealing their income" is ridiculous. In an industry that produces a product that can generate $100 million in a matter days - not to mention the amount of money that is generated over the entire run of the film + additional revenue to movie rentals + 'over seas' releases is hardly in jeopardy b/c a hand full of nerds download a few films.
Look at the numbers: http://us.imdb.com/boxoffice/alltimegros s
Keep in mind these number are just for domestic lease - only in the United States and do not reflect global sales or rentals.
#1 is Titanic - $600,799,824 in domestic sales. Breath taking - now lets say 1000 people download the movie and 'stole' $8 ea. From the studio... the studio 'lost' $8000... that's.00001% of total revenue. To put that in perspective, to put that number in dollars and cents... for every ONE MILLION dollars gained the studio lost 10 CENTS!
Now lets say the article is wrong and these groups are rampant and it's easy to get ahold of these pirated movies and 100,000 people download them (I'm being very generous here)... so now the studio looses $800,000... that's still.0013% of total revenue or $13 dollars for every ONE MILLION dollars gained.
Granted Titanic was the #1 movie - look at #100 on the list - you can do the math at home... the number are still unreal...
To further my point in 1999 Michael Eisner was paid $589 MILLION dollars for his annual salary. If the poor set designer is worried about loosing his/her job to internet privacy, maybe they should stop looking online and start looking at the real pirate.
This is nothing more than greed - who is stealing from who here?
Assuming Google's new search tool spreads like wild fire, what implications are there for malicious code spread via a virus to use the tool to search for things like passwords, credit card numbers and the like? I suppose this can still happen with a cache search - but it seems the Google search tool is a simpler method.
I use the tool on my personal laptop - it's quick, efficient and way better than waiting for that stupid XP dog...
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"if you can't do something right then don't do it at all" doesn't apply here. (I'm not even sure where it would apply)
Brain Surgery
Point taken. You're exactly right you have to crawl before walking, running, completing a triathlon etc...
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Well I suppose that the determining factor of 'right' is that the author's intent is. If 'right' equals the act of writing 50k words in 1 month, then that substantially lowers the bar.
On the other hand, if 'right' means writing 50k words in such a way that it tells a well thought out, compelling, and interesting story to not only the author but to the reader as well, then that is much more of an undertaking.
My definition of 'right' is the latter, after all isn't a novel meant to be read by others? If not shouldn't it be called a personal journal? I understand my definition isn't the only one.
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I can appreciate the motivational aspic of telling someone to "get off your butt and do something". The act of trying can get people past the initial hurdle - but isn't 50k words a huge undertaking? That alone seem daunting. (Clearly I am no novelist). (In fact I hardly have a grasp on the English language)
Also this kills me..."valuing enthusiasm and perseverance over talent and craft " that is a quote right from the Bush and Kerry handbook.
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"you may not get the best novel out of it, but at least you've written a novel."
Was that the thought process behind MS Millennium? - May not be a good operating system but...
Whatever happened to "if you're not going to do it right don't do it at all"?
Sure a build your own drum playing robot, sounds great... Slave over it, loose sleep programming it, pour your hard earned money into it... Next thing you know it runs off to Hollywood to start a band... Yeah you MAY get a postcard occasionally... You may see it during guest appearances on TechTV but, will it care you are up fretting it's getting its proper upgrades? NO!
It sounds like a recipe for heartache... Sorry, I've said too much already...
Exactly - James Burke in Connections (1&2)! Great show about everyday objects and the science and history of their evolution. Granted Connection 2 kinda lost the magic of the first show - good none-the-less.
Or even Mr. Wizard or Bill the Science guy - granted some of that was total kidz stuff - but they made it really interesting.
Lets hope this gets off the ground quickly! I am for anything that will off set the vacuum of intellect that my local cable company provides. Can I please get something other than Sports and another women's network?
I am already a fan of the Discovery Science channel - however it needs a better programming - but I'm not complaining! At least it's something.
I am still in disbelief of what happened over at TechTV...
While I agree that we shouldn't start over reacting, it may be a harbinger of things to come. I'm not sure where the line will be drawn, but the net of 'old' was based on a free flow of information, clearly that has been lost. Who will make the stand?
8 years ago when the net was young? Wha...? Clearly the mid and late 80's didn't count... Stupid Archie...
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LOL That's great! Im calling Pinkerton right now What was that 800 #?
Slashdot Mirror
While we in the internet community *hate* SPAM you do bring up a good point. Certainly SPAM sells products and services otherwise we wouldn't be inundated with it.
I wonder what kind of revenue SPAM adds to the economy as a whole.
Anyone have any insight to this?
I am not proclaiming to be an expert on this subject... in fact I am far from it.
But if I remember correctly I believe that I read some articles about the true purpose of HAARP was conceived as a weather control device to be used in a military fashion. Can anyone correct me on this info?
Here is an interesting link - (which may or may not support my post...
http://www.earthpulse.com/haarp/
Or you could paint just the interior side of the external walls... that way you can enjoy wi-fi in all the rooms of your house/apt.
Here you go.
http://www.foia.cia.gov/2020/2020.pdf
Weapons of Mass Distruction
Shark, my day of work is at an end thus so is my /. commentary. However, thank you for your post. It was certainly well thought out and bring up some new thoughts. (As were many of the others who posted).
Just wanted to say thank you.
Understood - but downloading a movie (stealing a movie) and watching it a home, not selling it...
or obtaining a copy from a public library and watching it... isn't the same dammage done?
I didn't pay for either - and most likely the library didn't either. (Books, music, and movies are commonly donated by the publishing house).
Squatchman wrote...
>>making it available to thousands(millions?) of users at once.
Blaming a small underground group is crazy... you know who is a blatant violator of providing copywrited material, books, music CD, and DVD's to millions of people everyday? Your public library...
Maybe the RIAA and MPAA should shut them down.
>>...anytime anyone learned anything from a copyrighted source(textbook) they would have committed an infraction.
What if they didn't pay for the book? I can check out DVD's at the library - isn't the library guilty of P2P voilations? They invite the public to take whatever they want....
I see what you are saying about the P2P advocates stance of 'it's somebody else's greed' - and it does seem counter intuitive I grant you. Stealing is stealing period, however there are some grey areas. If a musician leaning the guitar at home, plays "Stairway to heaven" has he stolen anything? What if an artist painted a picture of the Mona Lisa, and it was really an accurate depiction of the original? If he doesn't sell it or profit from it has he stolen anything?
My frustration (point of this) is not that the movie studios and musicians should give their talents away for free - it's the scale that studio executives profit from it.
Movie tickets go up, concerts tickets are almost at unattainable levels for some, and CD prices are outrageous. Are true cost of a CD in line with the retail price? Absolutely not - but where does the disconnect happen? When studios pay executives $1.6 million dollars a day - we the consumer are going to pick up that tab. That is where the true pirates are.
rbarreira wrote:
>>You aren't being generous by presenting 100,000 people downloading a movie. You're being naive.
Maybe I am being naive - would 1 Million people downloading be more in the ball park? So that would be $130 lost for every $1 MILLION gained...
How about 10 Million people downloading? $1300 lost for every $1 MILLION gained?
Look again at Eisners salary for 1999 - $589 MILLION DOLLARS! That's $1,638,356 A DAY!
Vs. $1300 'lost'...
Cry me a river...
Agreed. Theft is theft. However, is it worth all this publicity and legal wrangling?
Is the RIAA really justified by suing some student for $20k b/c he has a few 'illegal' MP3's? The MPAA and the RIAA are making examples out of people and the punishment hardly fits the crime.
Why can I record a song off the radio but not download one? I know, I know - it's against the law... but show me any record executive or musician who NEVER taped a song as a kid...
For that matter when I get a song or a scene from a movie stuck in my head and it plays over and over - am I stealing?
The MPA and the RIAA need to keep things in perspective! The article acknowledges that these 'groups' are hard to gain access to - >>"The scene is a very close network. Everybody knows everybody else but they haven't met them," said Bruce Forest, a Norwalk, Conn., digital media consultant who says he belonged to the scene for years and now advises entertainment companies. "It can take years until you can get access." will loose their jobs and not get paid b/c you are stealing their income" is ridiculous. In an industry that produces a product that can generate $100 million in a matter days - not to mention the amount of money that is generated over the entire run of the film + additional revenue to movie rentals + 'over seas' releases is hardly in jeopardy b/c a hand full of nerds download a few films.
s s
.00001% of total revenue. To put that in perspective, to put that number in dollars and cents... for every ONE MILLION dollars gained the studio lost 10 CENTS!
.0013% of total revenue or $13 dollars for every ONE MILLION dollars gained.
Look at the numbers:
http://us.imdb.com/boxoffice/alltimegro
Keep in mind these number are just for domestic lease - only in the United States and do not reflect global sales or rentals.
#1 is Titanic - $600,799,824 in domestic sales. Breath taking - now lets say 1000 people download the movie and 'stole' $8 ea. From the studio... the studio 'lost' $8000... that's
Now lets say the article is wrong and these groups are rampant and it's easy to get ahold of these pirated movies and 100,000 people download them (I'm being very generous here)... so now the studio looses $800,000... that's still
Granted Titanic was the #1 movie - look at #100 on the list - you can do the math at home... the number are still unreal...
To further my point in 1999 Michael Eisner was paid $589 MILLION dollars for his annual salary. If the poor set designer is worried about loosing his/her job to internet privacy, maybe they should stop looking online and start looking at the real pirate.
This is nothing more than greed - who is stealing from who here?
Don't even get me started on the RIAA...
1.Gas planets are huge wave machines
2.???
3.Profit!
Assuming Google's new search tool spreads like wild fire, what implications are there for malicious code spread via a virus to use the tool to search for things like passwords, credit card numbers and the like? I suppose this can still happen with a cache search - but it seems the Google search tool is a simpler method.
I use the tool on my personal laptop - it's quick, efficient and way better than waiting for that stupid XP dog...
"if you can't do something right then don't do it at all" doesn't apply here. (I'm not even sure where it would apply)
Brain Surgery
Point taken. You're exactly right you have to crawl before walking, running, completing a triathlon etc...
Well I suppose that the determining factor of 'right' is that the author's intent is.
If 'right' equals the act of writing 50k words in 1 month, then that substantially lowers the bar.
On the other hand, if 'right' means writing 50k words in such a way that it tells a well thought out, compelling, and interesting story to not only the author but to the reader as well, then that is much more of an undertaking.
My definition of 'right' is the latter, after all isn't a novel meant to be read by others? If not shouldn't it be called a personal journal? I understand my definition isn't the only one.
I can appreciate the motivational aspic of telling someone to "get off your butt and do something". The act of trying can get people past the initial hurdle - but isn't 50k words a huge undertaking? That alone seem daunting. (Clearly I am no novelist). (In fact I hardly have a grasp on the English language)
Also this kills me..."valuing enthusiasm and perseverance over talent and craft " that is a quote right from the Bush and Kerry handbook.
"you may not get the best novel out of it, but at least you've written a novel."
Was that the thought process behind MS Millennium? - May not be a good operating system but...
Whatever happened to "if you're not going to do it right don't do it at all"?
Sure a build your own drum playing robot, sounds great...
Slave over it, loose sleep programming it, pour your hard earned money into it...
Next thing you know it runs off to Hollywood to start a band...
Yeah you MAY get a postcard occasionally... You may see it during guest appearances on TechTV but, will it care you are up fretting it's getting its proper upgrades? NO!
It sounds like a recipe for heartache...
Sorry, I've said too much already...
Exactly - James Burke in Connections (1&2)!
Great show about everyday objects and the science and history of their evolution.
Granted Connection 2 kinda lost the magic of the first show - good none-the-less.
Or even Mr. Wizard or Bill the Science guy - granted some of that was total kidz stuff - but they made it really interesting.
Lets hope this gets off the ground quickly! I am for anything that will off set the vacuum of intellect that my local cable company provides. Can I please get something other than Sports and another women's network?
I am already a fan of the Discovery Science channel - however it needs a better programming - but I'm not complaining! At least it's something.
I am still in disbelief of what happened over at TechTV...
While I agree that we shouldn't start over reacting, it may be a harbinger of things to come. I'm not sure where the line will be drawn, but the net of 'old' was based on a free flow of information, clearly that has been lost. Who will make the stand?
8 years ago when the net was young? Wha...? Clearly the mid and late 80's didn't count... Stupid Archie...
LOL
That's great! Im calling Pinkerton right now
What was that 800 #?
xasper8
Well maybe Jeeves has no practical purpose, however, maybe we are over looking the humor factor! That was fantastically funny! -xasper8