My question is how was releasing that information helpful? While certainly unethical, bugging Merkel's phone (for instance) was NOT illegal under US law, and not forbidden under the NSA's charter, while the domestic data collection clearly was both illegal and forbidden. I applaud the exposure of the NSA's illegal activities, but I abhor the exposure of their legal ones.
This is why I believe he had other motives. Snowden is not a hero, he's an attention whore.
Reasonable people don't throw their life away for attention whoring, and I for one most certainly think Snowden is a reasonable person. Reasonable and *ethical* - what's wrong with USA (as well as most other countries and a whole lot of people) is the lack of ethics of any kind and I applaud Snowden for his clearly deep love for his country and hatred for sociopaths that are failing it and taking a huge dump on ethis of any kind.
Granted I'm not american and I thus have other reasons than well being of USA only for thanking Snowden, but let's play pretend and imagine that I were the same person I am now except I was american and I'll grant you I would be just as much cheering for Snowden as I am now.
I'm also thankful, as a Finnish citizen, to Snowden for uncovering how Sweden is in bed with NSA in spying out citizen.
There's something to be said for a patriot who throws his life away to do the right thing for not only his country, by exposing the wrongs their government (and//or three letter agencies), but for other countries as well - thank you Snowden.
I'd rather be a whistleblower than one of the huge sheeple-mob of "I knew what was happening, but... I was just following orders" after someone else finally blows the whistle.
If you bother to check you will find that both China and Russia have nuclear weapons pointed at the US and members of their governments make explicit threats. Russia regularly probes US and NATO defenses with bombers and submarines, and the Chinese have their own charms.
Indeed it's sadly not an uncommon fallacy at all... Now I know that it's frowned upon to throw the nazi/hitler card, but I sometimes actually translate such arguments in my head into "you can't put judgement on what nazis did you you haven't been one" - guess they've never thought of it that way...
Nitpicking I say... I'm sure you disagree. Nevertheless it works better this way though, with nobody having their educational chances affected by their parents income level.
True, true, however I doubt that GP want's to "go around physically attacking people" anymore than I do (which is nil), and I'd still say I would not wan't to shoot someone who is going to beat me... Gas or taze maybe but not shoot.
Anyway I'm not a gun touting amurican so I'm not expecting you to understand:)
Yeah, just because you might not be able to chew bubblegum and walk at the same time doesn't mean others can't - also, making a "memory note" such as "remember to check that later on your own time just for fun" does not eat that much from enjoying the movie (at least I would not think...).
You're just being a pathetic ass... what's the matter with you anyway?
Wow, yeah, I'm sure there are thousands of french marching on the streets for having their freedom taken away just as I'm sure that french government has these laws passed for selfish gain for politicians and having nothing to do with people growing angry towards corporations power/policies.
Luckily google still has the option of stopping doing business in/with france and I'm sure they will be doing just that instea of informing people about their policies instead - It's not like you can freely do deals if there are pesky contract and end user/customer protection laws disturbing you're freedom to *ssrape the other party.
I for one would personally have nothing against that as long as everyone in the "pack" knows and agrees with the situation,,, It would need a bit more re-writing of marriage laws than simply extending marriage to two person marriages that are not allowed to get married currently.
Okay so explain this to me - as I understand it Satanist = worshiper of Satan.
The thing is that in English language you have one word, satanism, which can mean both, a philosophy with little to do with Christianity and also satan worshippers. It creates some confusion surely...
Even here in Finland where we have separate words for them the media is widely abusing the word "satanimi" (satanism) where they should be using "saatananpalvoja" (satan worshipper). I know, it's confusing.
While I generally wish no harm to others, I have to admit it gives me great pleasure that you're bigoted ass will get to experience what it feels like to be minority that others treat like the shit you are.
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It's like some kind of Woody Allen line, "My lawyer plea-bargained my sentence down to death".
You know, I could almost hear it in the voice of Woody Allen in my head when I read this - it was hilarious =D Wish I coult mod you...
My question is how was releasing that information helpful? While certainly unethical, bugging Merkel's phone (for instance) was NOT illegal under US law, and not forbidden under the NSA's charter, while the domestic data collection clearly was both illegal and forbidden. I applaud the exposure of the NSA's illegal activities, but I abhor the exposure of their legal ones.
This is why I believe he had other motives. Snowden is not a hero, he's an attention whore.
Reasonable people don't throw their life away for attention whoring, and I for one most certainly think Snowden is a reasonable person. Reasonable and *ethical* - what's wrong with USA (as well as most other countries and a whole lot of people) is the lack of ethics of any kind and I applaud Snowden for his clearly deep love for his country and hatred for sociopaths that are failing it and taking a huge dump on ethis of any kind.
Granted I'm not american and I thus have other reasons than well being of USA only for thanking Snowden, but let's play pretend and imagine that I were the same person I am now except I was american and I'll grant you I would be just as much cheering for Snowden as I am now.
I'm also thankful, as a Finnish citizen, to Snowden for uncovering how Sweden is in bed with NSA in spying out citizen.
There's something to be said for a patriot who throws his life away to do the right thing for not only his country, by exposing the wrongs their government (and//or three letter agencies), but for other countries as well - thank you Snowden.
I'd rather be a whistleblower than one of the huge sheeple-mob of "I knew what was happening, but... I was just following orders" after someone else finally blows the whistle.
If you bother to check you will find that both China and Russia have nuclear weapons pointed at the US and members of their governments make explicit threats. Russia regularly probes US and NATO defenses with bombers and submarines, and the Chinese have their own charms.
Not much different from US then...
Indeed it's sadly not an uncommon fallacy at all... Now I know that it's frowned upon to throw the nazi/hitler card, but I sometimes actually translate such arguments in my head into "you can't put judgement on what nazis did you you haven't been one" - guess they've never thought of it that way...
Nitpicking I say... I'm sure you disagree. Nevertheless it works better this way though, with nobody having their educational chances affected by their parents income level.
/me is having hard time understanding how on earth some people need to be explained the above :o
It's saddening, don't you think?
What an excellent reply for guy being baffled why people must take everything to the extreme: take it to the opposite extreme.
Because it's internet I'm unsure wheter to applaud you for a joke well made or to wonder how anyone can be that stupid... *confused*
I make it a habit to live by the 'Golden Rule'
"It's not gay if it's in a three-way"?
True, true, however I doubt that GP want's to "go around physically attacking people" anymore than I do (which is nil), and I'd still say I would not wan't to shoot someone who is going to beat me... Gas or taze maybe but not shoot.
Anyway I'm not a gun touting amurican so I'm not expecting you to understand :)
Finally some words of reason - thank you :)
I has anabolic steroid.
Oh, get a life already :D
It's a hobby. You know, for fun? You would if you had one...
...or just maybe you didn't RTFA before writing your insanely frantic rant ;p
Yeah, just because you might not be able to chew bubblegum and walk at the same time doesn't mean others can't - also, making a "memory note" such as "remember to check that later on your own time just for fun" does not eat that much from enjoying the movie (at least I would not think...).
You're just being a pathetic ass... what's the matter with you anyway?
Oh, it must be ok then, sorry :)
Wow, yeah, I'm sure there are thousands of french marching on the streets for having their freedom taken away just as I'm sure that french government has these laws passed for selfish gain for politicians and having nothing to do with people growing angry towards corporations power/policies.
Luckily google still has the option of stopping doing business in/with france and I'm sure they will be doing just that instea of informing people about their policies instead - It's not like you can freely do deals if there are pesky contract and end user/customer protection laws disturbing you're freedom to *ssrape the other party.
Yeah, I'm sure google will be storming out of france as quick as all other us:ian megacorporations are... wait, what? They aren't... well, boo-hoo.
A fair point... I wan't to be able to trust them security holes when needed though, so let's rule out Microsoft on this one, ok?
Damn it feels good to see americans who realize this :) *thumbs up*
I for one would personally have nothing against that as long as everyone in the "pack" knows and agrees with the situation,,, It would need a bit more re-writing of marriage laws than simply extending marriage to two person marriages that are not allowed to get married currently.
The thing is that in English language you have one word, satanism, which can mean both, a philosophy with little to do with Christianity and also satan worshippers. It creates some confusion surely...
Even here in Finland where we have separate words for them the media is widely abusing the word "satanimi" (satanism) where they should be using "saatananpalvoja" (satan worshipper). I know, it's confusing.
You took the words straight of my mouth and wrote them better I could ever had, if I had points I'd mod you +1 Insightful ;)
While I generally wish no harm to others, I have to admit it gives me great pleasure that you're bigoted ass will get to experience what it feels like to be minority that others treat like the shit you are.
The depression can be explained by the bigotry and lack of equal rights, no need for magic god-fairy skydad to explain that...
...and it's people like you causing it - you calling it "compassion" or whatever doesn't make it so no matter how many times you repeat it.
Now that's just pathetic and sad argument, and to quote yourself: ...so you can suck my...
You do not have the right "Not to be offended"...