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UFO Evidence From SOHO Satellite
Anonymous Coward writes "EuroSeti is set to reveal during the week of Jan 24-27 National Space Centre in Leicester, UK scientifically sound and verifiable evidence based on observations taken by the SOHO satellite and other satellites that indicate UFOs are present within our solar system. For the past two years, hundreds of extraordinary UFO-like images have been gleaned by a Spanish-based team using two space-based satellites. NASA initially tried to explain the images away as pixel faults, passing meteors or asteroids, etc., but when a European-led consortium presented them with images that clearly were none of the aforementioned, they 'clamped up.'"
A Small Office/Home Office satelite would do something the big commercial, governmental and scientific satelites couldn't! Amazing!
When I think of dirty old men, I think of Kike Thomas and when I think about Kike I get a hard on that won't quit.
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Sixty years ago,I worked in what was once my Grandfather's Greenhouses. Gramps had died a year earlier and Grandma, now in her seventies had been forced to sell to the competition. I got a job with the new owners and mostly worked the range by myself. That summer, they hired a man to help me get the benches ready for the fall planting.
Kike always looked like he was three days from a shave and his whiskers were dirty white under the brim of his battered felt fedora.
He did nott chew tobacco but the corners of his mouth turned down in a way that, at any moment, I expected a trickle of thin, brown juice to creep down his chin. His bushy, brown eyebrows shaded pale, gray eyes.
Old Kike, he extended his hand, lifted his leg like a dog about to mark a bush and let go the loudest fart I ever heard. The old man winked at me. ÒKike Thomas is the name and playing pecker's my game.
I thought he said, "Checkers." I was nineteen, green as grass. I said, "I was never much good at that game."
"Now me," said Kike, "I just love jumping men. .
"I'll bet you do."
". . . and grabbing on to their peckers," said Kike.
"I though we were talking about. .
"You like jumping old men's peckers?"
I shook my head.
"I reckon we'll have to remedy that." Kike lifted his right leg and let go another tremendous fart. "He said, "We best be getting to work."
That summer of1941 was a more innocent time. I learned most of the sex I knew from those little eight pager cartoon booklets of comic-page characters going at it. Young men read them in the privacy of an outside john, played with themselves, by themselves and didn't brag about it. Sometimes, we got off with a trusted friend and helped each other out.
Under the greenhouse glass, the temperature some times climbed over the hundred degree mark. I had worked stripped to the waist since April and was as browwn as a berry. On only his second day on the job and in the middle of August, Kike wore old fashioned overalls. Those and socks in his hightop work shoes was every stitch he wore. When he bent forward, the bib front billowed out and I could see the white curly hairs on his chest and belly.
"Me? I just love to eat pussy!" Kike licked his lips from corner to corner then stuck it out far enough that the tip could touch the tip of his nose. He said, A man's not a man till he knows first hand, the flavor of a lady's pussy."
"People do that?"
He winked. "Of course the taste of a hard cock ain't to be sneezed at neither. Now you answer me, yes or no. Does a man's cock taste salty or not?"
"I never. .
"Well, old Kike's willing to let you find out."
"No way."
"Just teasing," said Kike. "But don't give me no sass or I'll show you my ass." He winked. Might show it to you anyway, if you was to ask."
"Why would I do that?"
"Curiousity, maybe. I'm guessing you never had a good piece of man ass."
"I'm no queer."
"Now don't be getting judgemental. Enjoying what's at hand ain't beiing queer. It's taking pleasure where you find it with anybody willing." Kike slipped a handside the side slit of his overalls and I could tell he was fondling and straightening out his cock. Now I admit I got me a hole that satisfied a few guys."
I swallowed, hard.
Kike winked. "Care to be asshole buddies?"
***
We worked steadily until noon. Kike drew a worn pocket watch from the bib pocket of his loose overalls and croaked, "Bean time. But first its time to reel out our limber hoses and make with the golden arches before lunch."
I followed Kike to the end of the greenhouse where he stopped at the outside wall of the potting shed. He opened his fly, fished inside, and finger-hooked a soft white penis with a pouting foreskin puckered half an inch past the hidden head.
"Yes sir," breathed Kike, "this old peter needs some draining." He exhaled a sigh as a strong, yellow stream splattered against the boards and ran down to soak into the earthen floor.
He caught me looking down at him. He winked. "Like what you're viewing, Boy?"
I looked away.
"You taking a serious interest in old Kike's pecker?"
I shook my head.
"Well you just haul out yourn and let old Kike return the compliment."
Feeling trapped and really having to go, I fumbled at my fly, turned away slightly, withdrew my penis and strained to start.
"Take your time boy. Let it all hang out. Old Kike's the first to admit that he likes looking at another man's pecker." He flicked away the last drop of urine and shook his limp penis vigorously.
I tried not to look interested.
"Yer sir, this old peepee feels so good out, I just might leave it out." He turned to give me a better view.
"What if somebody walks in?"
Kike shrugged. He looked at my strong yellow stream beating against the boards and moved a step closer. "You got a nice one,boy."
I glanccd over at him. His cock was definitely larger and beginning to stick straight out. I nodded toward his crotch. "Don't you think you should put that away?"
"I got me strictly a parlor prick," said Kike. "Barely measures six inches." He grinned. "Of course it's big enough around to make a mouthful." He ran a thumb and forefinger along its length and drawing his foreskin back enough to expose the tip of the pink head. "Yersiree." He grinned, revealing nicotine stained teeth. "I t sure feels good, letting the old boy breathe."
I knew I should button up and move away. I watched his fingers moving up and down the thickening column.
"You like checking out this old man's cock?"
I nodded. In spite of myself, my cock began to swell.
"Maybe we should have ourselves a little pecker pulling party." Kike slid his fingers back and forth on his expandingshaft and winked. "I may be old but I'm not against doing some little pud pulling with a friend."
I shook my head.
"Maybe I Ôll give my balls some air. Would you like a viewing of old Kike's hairy balls?"
I swallowed hard and moistened my dry lips.
He opened another button on his fly and pulled out his scrotum. "Good God, It feels good to set Ôem free. Now let's see yours."
"Why?"
"Just to show you're neighborly," said Kike.
"I don't think so." I buttoned up and moved into the potting shed.
Kike followed, his cock and balls protruding from the front of his overalls. "Overlook my informality." Kike grinned. "As you can see I ain't bashful."
I nodded and took my sandwich from the brown paper bag.
"Yessir," said Kike. "I just might have to have myself an old fashioned peter pulling all by my lonesome. He unhooked a shoulder strap and let his overalls drop around his ankles.
I took a bite of my sandwich but my eyes remained on Kike.
"Yessiree," said Kike, "I got a good one if I do say so myself. Gets nearly as hard as when I was eighteen. You know why?"
I shook my head.
"Cause Kikeep excerising him. When I was younger I was pulling on it three time a day. Still like to do him every day I can."
"Some sayyou'll go blind if you do that too much."
"Bull-loney!" Don't you believe that shit. I been puling my pud for close to fifty years and I didn't start till I was fifteen."
I laughed.
"You laughing at my little peter, boy?"
"Your hat." I pointed to the soiled, brown fedora cocked on his head. That and his overalls draped about his ankles were his only items of apparel. In between was a chest full of gray curly hair, two hairy legs. Smack between them stood an erect, pale white cock with a tip of foreskin still hiding the head.
"I am one hairy S.O.B.," said Kike.
"I laughed at you wearing nothing but a hat."
"Covers up my bald spot," said Kike. "I got more hair on my ass than I got on my head. Want to see?"
"Your head?"
"No, Boy, my hairy ass and around my tight, brown asshole." He turned, reached back with both hands and parted his ass cheeks to reveal the small, puckered opening. "There it is, Boy, the entrance lots of good feelings. Tell me, Boy, how would you like to put it up old Kike's ass?"
"I don't think so."
"That'd be the best damned piece you ever got."
"We shouldn't be talking like this."
"C'mon now, confess, don't this make your cock perk up a little bit?"
"I reckon," I confessed.
"You ever seen an old man's hard cock before," asked Kike.
"My grandpa's when I was twelve or thirteen."
"How'd that come about?"
He was out in the barn and didn't know I was around. He dropped his pants. It was real big he did things to it. He saw me and he turned around real fast but I saw it."
"What did your grandpa do?"
"He said I shouldn't be watching him doing that. He said something like grandma Ôwouldn't give him some,' that morning and that I should get out of there and leave a poor man in peace to do what he had to do."
"Did you want to join him."
"I might have if he'd asked. He didn't."
"I like showing off my cock," said Kike. "A hard-on is somethng I always been proud of. A hard-on proves a man's a man. Makes me feel like a man that can do things." He looked up at me and winked. "You getting a hard-on fromall this talk, son?"
I nodded and looked away.
"Then maybe you should pull it out and show old Kike what you got."
"We shouldn't."
"Hey. A man's not a man till he jacked off with a buddy."
I wanted to but I was as nervous as hell.
Kike grinned and fingered his pecker. "C'mon, Boy, between friends, a little cock showing is perfectly fine. Lets see what you got in the cock and balls department."
In spite of my reluctance, I felt the stirring in my crotch. I had curiositythat needed satisfying. It had been a long, long time since I had walked in on my grandfather
"C'mon let's see it all."
I shook my head.
"You can join the party anytime, said Kike. "Just drop your pants and pump away."
I had the urge. There was a tingling in my crotch. My cock was definitely willing and I had a terrible need to ajust myself down there. But my timidity and the strangeness of it all held me back.
Hope you don't mind if I play out this hand." Kike grinned. "It feels like I got a winner."
I stared at his gnarled hand sliding up and down that pale, white column and I could not look away. I wet my lips and shook my head.
Old Kike's about to spout a geyser." Kike breathed harder as he winked. "Now if I just had a long finger up my ass. You interested, boy?"
I shook my head.
The first, translucent, white glob crested the top of his cock and and arced to the dirt floor. Kike held his cock at the base with thumb and forefinger and tightened noticably with each throb of ejaculation until he was finished.
I could not believe any man could do what he had done in front of another human being.
Kike sighed with pleasure and licked his fingers. "A man ain't a man till he's tasted his own juices."
He squatted, turned on the faucet and picked up the connected hose. He directed the water between his legs and on to his still dripping prick and milked the few remaing drops of white, sticky stuff into the puddle foming at his feet. "Cool water sure feels good on a cock that just shot its wad," said Kike.
***
"Cock-tale telling time," said Old Kike. It was the next day and he rubbed the front of his dirty,worn overalls where his bulge made the fly expand as his fingers smoothed the denim around the outline of his expanding cock.
I wasn't sure what he had in mind but I knew it wasn't something my straight-laced Grandma would approve of.
"Don't you like taking your cock out and jacking it?" Kike licked his lips.
I shook my head in denial.
"Sure you do. A young man in his prime has got to be pulling his pud."
I stared at his caloused hand moving over the growing bulge at his crotch.
"Like I said," continued Kike, "I got me barely six inches when he's standing up." He winked at me. "How much you got, son?"
"Almost seven inches. .
"And I'm betting it feels real good with your fist wrapped around it."
"I don't do. .
"Everybody does it." He scratched his balls and said,"I'll show you mine if you show me yours." Then, looking me in the eye, he lifted his leg like a dog at a tree and let out a long, noisy fart.
Denying that I jacked off, I said, "I saw yours yesterday."
"A man has got to take out his pecker every once in a while." He winked and his fingers played with a button on his fly. Care to join me today?"
"I don't think so."
"What's the matter, boy? You ashamed of what's hanging Ôtween your skinny legs?"
"It's not for showing off."
"That would be so with a crowd of strangers but with a friend, in a friendly showdown, where's the harm?
"It shouldn't be shown to other people. My Grandma said that a long time ago when I went to the bathroom against a tree whan I was seven.
"There's nothing like a joint pulling among friends to seal a friendship," said Kike.
I don't think so." I felt very much, ill at ease.
"Then what the fuck is it for," demanded the old man. "A good man shares his cock with his friends. How old are you boy?"
"Nineteen almost twenty."
You ever fucked a woman?"
"No."
"Ever fucked a man?"
"Of course not.
"Son, you ain't never lived till you've fired your load up a man's tight ass. "I didn't know men did that to each other."
"Men shove it up men's asses men all the time. They just don't talk about it like they do pussy."
"You've done that?"
"I admit this old pecker's been up a few manholes. More than a fewhard cocks have shagged this old ass over the years." He shook his head, wistfully, "I still have a hankering for a hard one up the old dirt chute."
"I think that would hurt."
"First time, it usually does," agreed Kike. He took a bite from his sandwich.
I looked at my watch. Ten minutes of our lunch hour had already passed.
"We got time for a quickie," said Kike. "There's no one around to say, stop, if were enjoying ourselves."
He unhooked the slide off the button of one shoulder-strap, pushed the bib of his overalls down to let them fall to his feet.
"Showtime," said Kike. Between his legs, white and hairy, his semi-hard cock emerged from a tangled mass of brown and graypubic hair. The foreskin, still puckered beyond the head of the cock, extended downward forty-five degrees from the horizontal but was definitely on the rise.
I could only stare at the man. Until the day before, I had never seen an older man with an erection besides my grandpa.
Kike moved his fingers along the stalk of his manhood until the head partially emerged, purplish and broad. He removed his hand for a moment and it bobbled obscenely in the subdued light of the potting shed. Kike leaned back against a bin of clay pots like a model on display. "Like I said, boy, it gets the job done."
I found it difficult not to watch. "You shouldn't. .
"C'mon, boy. Show Kike your peckeer. I'm betting it's nice and hard."
I grasped my belt and tugged on the open end. I slipped the waistband button and two more before pushing down my blue jeans and shorts down in one move. My cock bounced and slapped my belly as I straightened."
"That's a beaut." Kike stroked his pale, white cock with the purplish-pink head shining. "I'm betting it'll grow some more if you stroke it."
"We really shouldn't. .
"Now don't tell me you never stroked your hard peter with a buddy."
"I've done that," I finally admitted,. "But he was the same age as me and it was a long time ago." I though back to the last time Chuck and me jerked each other off in the loft of our old barn. Chuck wanted more as a going away present and we had sucked each other's dicks a little bit.
"Jackin's always better when you do it with somebody," said Kike. "Then you can lend each other a helping hand."
"I don't know about that," I said.
Kike's hand continued moving on his old cock as he leaned over to inspect mine. "God Damn! Boy. That cock looks good enough to eat." Kike licked his lips. "You ever had that baby sucked?"
I shook my head as I watched the old man stroke his hard, pale cock.
"Well boy, I'd sayyou're packing a real mouthful for some lucky gal or guy." He grinned. "Well c'mon. Let's see you get down to some serious jacking. Old Kike's way ahead of you."
I wrapped my fist around my stiff cock and moved the foreskin up and over the head on the up stroke. On the down stroke the expanded corona of the angry, purple head stared obscenely at the naked old man.
Kike toyed with his modest six inches. "What do you think of this old man's cock?" His fist rode down to his balls and a cockhead smaller than the barrel stared back at mine.
"I guess I'm thinking this is like doing it with my grandpa."
"You ever wish you could a done this with your grandpa?"
"I thought about it a lot."
"Ever see him with a hard-on."
"I told you about that!"
"Ever think about him doing your grandma?"
"I can't imagine her ever doing anything with a man.
"Take my word for it, sonny, we know she did it or you wouldn't be here." Begrudgingly I nodded in agreement.
"Everybody fucks," said old Kike. "They fuck or they jack off."
"If you say so."
"Say sonny, your cocks getting real juicy with slickum. Want old Kike to lick some of it away?"
"You wouldn't."
Kike licked his lips as he kept his hand pistoning up and down his hard cock. "You might be surprised what old Kike might do if he was in the mood for a taste of what comes out of a hard cock."
And that is what he proceded to do. He sucked me dry.
Then he erupted in half-a-dozen spurts shooting out and onto the dirt floor of the potting shed. He gave his cock a flip and shucked t back into his overalls. He unwrapped a sandwich from its wax paper and procede to eat without washing his hands. He took a bite and chewed. "Nothing like it boy, a good jacking clears the cobwebs from your crotch and gives a man an appetite."
***
The following day, We skipped the peliminaries. We dropped our pants. Kike got down on his knees and sucked me until I was hard and good and wet before he stood and turned.
"C'mon boy, Shove that pretty cock up old Kike's tight, brown hole and massage old Kike's prostate.
Kike bent forward and gripped the edge of the potting bench. The lean, white cheeked buttocks parted slightly and exposed the dark brown, crinkly, puckered star of his asshole "Now you go slow and ease it along until you've got it all the way in," he cautioned. "This old ass craves your young cock but it don't want too much too soon. You've got to let this old hole stretch to accomodate you."
"Are you sure you want to do this?"
"Easy boy, easy," he cautioned. "You feel a lot bigger than you look. Put a little more spit in your cock."
"It's awfully tight. I don't know if it's going to go or not."
""It'll go," said Kike. "There's been bigger boys than you up the old shit chute."
I slipped in the the last few inches.. "It's all in."
"I can tell," said Kike. "Your cock hairs are tickling my ass."
"Are you ready," I asked.
"How are you liking old Kike's hairy asshole so far?"
"It's real tight."
"Tighter than your fist?"
"Might be."
"Ready to throw a fuck into a man that reminds you of your grandpa."
"I reckon."
"I want you should do old Kike one more favor."
"What?"
While you're pumpin my ass, would you reach around and play with my dick like you would your own? Would you do that for an old man?"
I reached around and took hold of his hard cock sticking out straight in front of him. I pilled the skin back amd then pulled it up and over the expaded glans. I felt my own cock expand inside him as I manipulated his staff in my fingers. I imagined that my cock extended through him and I was playing with what came out the other side of him.
"C'mon, boy, ram that big cock up the old shitter and make me know it. God Damn! tickle that old prostate and make old Kike come!"
I came. And I came. Kike's tightened up on my cock and I throbbed Roman Candle bursts into that brown hole as I pressed into him. His hairy, scrawny ass flattened against my crotch and we were joined as tightly as two humans can be.
"A man's not a man till he's cum in another man." said old Kike. "You made it, boy. But still, a man's not a man till he's had a hard cock poked up his ass at least once."
Every time I think of that scene, I get another hard-on. Then I remember the next day when old Kike returned the favor.
I never have managed to come that hard again. If only Kike were here.
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The first image looked kindof.... PhotoShop! :-)
And when they come to Earth and systematically wipe us out one city at a time, one brave computer geek will upload a virus to thier mothership, and take the whole alien fleet out! They'll make movies out of this!
Oh wait, they already did...
RaGe
We're all just noise on the wires..
If UFOs are in our solar system then why hasn't SETI picked up any signals??
- Think for yourself, question authority.-
Ill believe evidence of UFO's when the evidence isn't a link to a UFO-centric site.
They're coming to take me away, ha ha!
They're coming to take me away!
Live life to the fullest. It's not that life is short, but that you are dead for so long.
they're just waiting until we have warp capabilities.
A html page with its as New Page 3 has got to be taken with a pinch of salt.
More seriously, who says that these 'new' images arn't straight out of photoshop.
It's always "we're going to present the evidence" not "here's the evidence". Much like the raelians with their cloning efforts, or the return of Amigas. Throw some claims around to wait for the big announcement, watch the world throw themselves in a tiz and then clam up.
It's marketing, folks.
if you can get the american public to believe it.
Call me crazy, but I think that website was just made to sell some tickets for a cheesey show. This neither proves nor disproves anything exists. I could make a pic on my computer, put up a site and say I caught it with my super-neo-plasmic-electron-scope and it'd be just as relevant. Might as well just tune into Unsolved Mysteries guys...
-Alex
Why has it become such that UFO = flying saucer?
A "UFO" is just an unidentified flying object. Anything whizzing through the air that I can't identify is a "UFO", whether or not it has anything to do with spacecraft from another world.
It's amazing what the little-recognised Small Office-Home Office sector can come up with, eh? We're a power to be reckoned with! Now... give us some cheap colour laser-printers, dammit!
Sure, I know they are claiming that the so-called 'Slashdot Effect' has rendered it invisible, but do we have any independent witnesses? Any physical proof? No...
- -
Are you an SF Fan? Are you a Tru-Fan?
A young peseant girl snaps a few photos of a sunset. She later develops the photos and finds what appears to be a clear image of an alien spacecraft. Upon reporting it to the authorities, she finds her house ransacked and her photos taken. The mystery of UFOs continues for another 72 years.
"...but when they realized that they were talking to launatics, they 'clamped up'"
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This article exemplifies the growing problem of apathy amongst the editorial staff of Slashdot. I'm disappointed, too, because I like this place.
Colonel: "They've seen us! Prepare ship for Light Speed."
Dark Helmet: "No, no, no, Light Speed is too slow."
Colonel: "Light Speed too slow?"
Dark Helmet: "Yes. We're going to have to go right to...Ludicrous Speed!"
Slashdotter are stupid and biased.
A crappy html page called new page 3... with a link to 23 minutes of video that does not work... why.. because its /.'ed... Did anyone get the video to work, or are they using the /. effect to cover the fact that they have nothing.
Fire in the hands of the village idiot is no tool, but a weapon of mass destruction
Does this strike anyone else as the largest troll to strike /. in quite some time now?
To: Ms. Dana Sculley,
I told you so.
Regards,
Fox
Trolling is a art,
They dragged me into their van and drove me all the way to Los Angeles.
It was a strange weekend.
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the strongest word is still the word "free"
When *will* they get the bloody lift fixed ?!?
...or does the pic look like something out of Star Control?
ofcourse!! he had to arrive from Melmac some way.... :P
Moderators: Don't agree? pray tell why.
Umm... Wouldn't the profile of a flying saucer, viewed from a satellite be, um, circular?
Please can slashdot not post crap like this in future?
So they found some satellite images with some objects (asteroids / space debris) that hadn't yet been named / catalogued as it only showed up in a tiny mesh of 4x4 pixels before it crashed into the sun. Because of lossy image compression artifacts they think it looks like a UFO and NASA stops talking to them (something the UFO nuts take as "proof" that they're right).
Big deal - I'd stop talking to them as well.
Now they want to sell tickets to a "conference" where they'll reveal all. Wow. The only thing this scam is missing is an official from the Government of Nigeria / promise of Hot Teens / free Viagra / cheap home refinancing.
Uh, this is slashdot. I think you meant to say "straight out of gimp."
I caught it with my super-neo-plasmic-electron-scope
YOU DID?! Holy jeez!!! Where is your webpage? I've got to get a look at this picture. Also, please post quasi-technical details on how you did this and submit it to Slashdot.
It's hard to tell myself that our planet is 1 in trillions that has life. Think statistics... 1 planet out of ~9 (Quaor doesn't count, and pluto barely does), with a medium sized star like the sun has life. How many more suns are there? How many more earths are there? I'm sure we can find some more primordial ooze on other planets, just give it some time. I don't think the stigma attached to UFOs is at all intelligent; what's to be worried about? Star wars? Now, the question has to be: from which UFO did those guys who cloned that human come from? ;)
grain of* salt, oops, guess im stupid :)
Exactly my thought after seeing that page. If this came from some serious institution, it would be better. Without any pictures, how are we supposed to tell if thisis bogus or not.
Not really a worthy article. If the ESA or NASA published something like this, I would be less sceptical.
2) Nothing can fly in space because there is no atomosphere therefor it cannot be a "Flying Object".
Move along, nothing to see here just a picture of a Christmas Hershey Kiss in space. Just because of bunch of Spaniards can't figure out what is in a bunch of pictures does not mean its ET. Plus, why would aliens visit Earth? Are we really that interesting?
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
... sounding like a conspiracy theorist (hence the AC) I found the following bit interesting:
but when a European-led consortium presented them with images that clearly were none of the aforementioned, they 'clamped up.'"
Does this mean NASA knows what's really up? Or did they not know how to respond to such "evidence"? They probably would be in the best place to answer the UFO question, but maybe they've been instructed by a government agency not to reveal anything under any circumstances?
Okay, conspiracy mode: off
Now I know that you can actually use photoshop or the GIMP or something like that to get more traffic to your website! :-)
Maybe I should make an image like this and get millions of hits.
Apple might go really bankrupt sometime and then we have no weapons left to use against them.
Explanation for the hard-of-thinking: UFO == Unidentified Flying Object.
Thus, they are by definition UFOs, until we can correctly identify them. Making the jump from UFO to Alien Spacecraft is a bit much, however. 'UFO Magazines' like the one cited should actually be called 'IFO Magazines' - Incorrectly Identified Flying Objects :-)
Google cache of page in question.
Somehow I think there might be another explanation:
News story
The secret of success is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake those, you've got it made. (Marx)
Buyer beware. They're selling stuff. CDs for 15 pounds a pop (~25USD), and tickets for 20 pounds a pop.
:) Significantly less sexy, eh?
Supposedly, you are supposed to be able to view a video interview with some guy, but there are no links to that interview. You've got to buy the CD.
So, "uh-huh".
And let's keep in mind that UFOs are unidentified flying objects. A meteor *IS* a UFO, if it hasn't yet been identified.
In fact, if they have identified it as anything, it's not a UFO any more.
Barclay family motto:
Aut agere aut mori.
(Either action or death.)
The name of the image file on the page is Disney.jpg.
Hmmm.
/..sig file not found - permission denied.
If humans had these ships they'd at least have have fins or something by the next season.
Absolutely not! In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics.
Are we ready for this information?
If this is proof that there is life outside our little world, does that mean life on earth will change? And if so... for the better?
Time to reflect...
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Trolling is a art,
UFO Mag says there are UFO's around the world and we're supposed to believe them? There is absolutely no evidence that even remotely validates their claims that a bright blur on some SOHO images are UFO's, versus meteors, comets or cometary fragments. They don't even describe what wavelength or anything. I say bull shit now!!! The burden of proof is on their shoulders!
What the heck does "UFO-like" mean? Is that something that's been identified, but looks like it hasn't? Or is it something that you know you can identify, and the name is on the tip of your tongue, but you just can't remember it?
mabye the aliens can give me a job...
How about several heaping bowlfuls?
"Slashdot doesn't validate [w3.org]. Update Slashcode to W3C stan"
I don't think they have a Stan on staff. Maybe you meant Rob? Or Jamie?
But it's only 20 January today.
"player 4 hit player 1 with 0 stroms"
What difference does it make where the evidence is presented? Why don't you instead ask if the evidence is stong.
War is necrophilia.
Seeing this type of news on a UFO centric site certainly raises the crap-o-meter, but if in any doubt go and ask real astronomers over at http://www.badastronomy.com
Its a site run be a real astronomer with real scientists there ready and willing to answer questions.
StarTux
...in anal probe quality control.
They say the first thing to go is your penis. Well, it's either that or your brain. I forget which...
Looks like they've taken damage and are leaking pixie dust.
Oh no! Tinkerbell's going down!
Heh, just a memory of MST3K and the cheesy effects of some movie... How can you not laugh your ass off after seeing that 'actual picture'. They should have stuck with weird blurry blobs they could blame on poor atmosphere/camera focus, this is so ridiculous.
Why is this not 'it's funny, laugh'?
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
www.fuckingmachines.com no fancy html, just cut and paste.
It has the link that should have been on the front page for balance, if not accuracy.
Well, they need money now, if only to pay for the massive bandwidth and other problems due to their /.'ing.
Experts explain geometric formations found on Arctic plains Speaking of UFO's and crop circles.
Can see this adding to their conspiracy theories:
"The US Govt hit us with a massive denial of service attack after we broke this story, which means they are trying to hide something".
StarTux
KANG: Your Slashdot attack on the puny humans will lead us to victory!
KODOS: Yes, they will not know what hit them!
MR PEABODY: Quiet you!!!
SHERMAN stands silent, aloof.
To-do List: Receive telemarketing call during a tornado warning. Check.
Some Anonymous Coward says:
Oh yeah? Like that proves anything. That page was probably Notepadded...
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Are you an SF Fan? Are you a Tru-Fan?
since we were all seeded by aliens and have now (as per our alien forefathers' wishes) cloned the first human we can just consider this more of a sign of our impending ascension. Woohoo! Just don't go around looking for books that instruct on "How to cook [[for][[for]][ty]]] humans"
there's a Unidentified Floating Object in my toilet. hmm
wait a minute
eeew, now it is identified... and smelly.....
So long as we maintain prejudices against scientific discoveries by the laymen, so long as we dismiss the claims of any man based upon the claims of another, then we well miss out on some great achievement. So often today, scientists see any threat to the current paradigm as just that, a threat. These claims may be false, either by naievity or fraud, but we should still listen to these claims and consider the possibility. Only when evidence that disproves their claims is discovered, should the claimants be dismissed. Consider if men like Edison had succeeded in supressing Tesla's AC generator. The world would have been set back untold number of years.
See this link. :)
:)
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More seriously, the first google link is a bunch of eurofolks running seti@home. I seriously doubt that seti@home has generated any pictures of "ufos" in our solar system. The second link is the one above. The third seems to be some crank who regularly gives speeches on "SETV" (the "Search for Extraterrestrial Vehicles") -- he claims to be a "professor", which may be true, as advanced degrees are hardly a prophylactic against insanity.
So, ooh, ahh, some bunch of UFO freaks have announced that some obscure other group (which may or may not also be a bunch of UFO freaks) have proof (proof! At last, real proof! Mwuah-ha-ha-ha-ha!) of UFOs. Geeze, there's news for ya! Guess what, one group or another of UFO freaks has been claiming that they have proof (real proof, see, it's a genuine photograph of a blob, what more do you want, sheesh!) for years. Wake me when someone with a operating brain gets involved.
Frankly, without a little more than this, I'm sticking with Timothy Leary's theory that so-called UFOs are actually human time-travellers from our future astral-projecting themselves back to our time.
Its just like the Raeleans told us. They are monitoring us in flying saucers piloted by clone babies.
Gooooogle girl!
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- It might be some dynamic physical or electric behaviour in the CCD or optics. The hardware is a few years old, after all, in extreme conditions. Might be water condensating on lenses, might be reflections from ice crystals, might be obscure electric charge dynamics on the CCD.
- SOHO is located in one of the 5 Lagrange points where it stays at same relative position with both Earth and Sun. Since this is an exceptional point, some space garbage such as rocks or space suit gloves might get stuck in the vicinity of the (unstable) point for some time.
- UFOs, as flown by some extra-terrestial intelligent beings, might generally be rather small objects. Space is big. SOHO's cameras do not have extremely good resolution and any visible object would have to be either enormous, very bright, or somewhat close to SOHO (and Earth), but between SOHO and Sun. Somehow that wouldn't seem to make much sense.
- Similar bright objects have not been observed from Earth based observatories, which would mean that it's a local phenomenom to SOHO. This would hint towards the first two possibilities above.
IANAA, IAAAA.Has it been slashdotted or...
It's a Government cover-up!!! THEY don't want us to see the evidence so they enlisted Slashdot to nuke their server.
The truth is out there!
Unidentified
Flying
Oject
So yes, they're UFOs, because they don't know definitively what they are. Oh, you mean you think they're alien spacecraft? I don't see any proof of that.
You quantum pair two molecules, then ship them X far apart. Any modifications to speed or velocity made to molecule 1 instantly take effect in molecule 2, you can use this aattribue to perform a kind of quantum "morse code" by hitting molecule 1 to change its attributes in specific ways. This method of FTL communication is very plausable and has of active reaearch going on in it right now.
...to the funny farm where basket weavers sit and twiddle their thumbs...
Sig? We don't need no stinking sig....
(FemaleStateLegislatorsPercapita2001*CostOfLivingG roceryItems2000*(AIDSTotalPercapitaThru2001/4+Suic idesPercapita1990+10*MurderPercapita2001)*(America n_Indian_Eskimo_or_AleutPercapita1990+Scotch_Irish Percapita1990)/BlacksPercapita1990)
Seastead this.
Yet somehow the HSA wasn't important enough to put as a headline.
Google cache link of http://www.ufomag.co.uk/euroseti.htm
...but after that hit of acid i decided to go easy.
I get probed. Apart from that I will not believe in ET
Have you visited the link in your sig lately? Not only does Slashdot not pass W3C validation, it now blocks the W3C validator. I get:
Way to go, Slashdot!
Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm not) but the soho satellite is directed at the sun and fitted with xray and infra-red imaging cameras, it's meant to be an early warning system for solar flares and other nasties that the sun produces so here at earth we can shut down our satellites to save them being wiped out.
Why would it be pointed out into the far reaches of our solar system looking for UFO's?
They may very well use radio, or other parts of the spectrum. Remember, the entire spectrum can be used for communications. Higher frequencies may be required for high-bandwidth transmissions.. but there is another factor that people never seem to remember. Energy. Transmitting on the EM spectrum costs energy. If they have sensitive receivers, they'd use less energy to transmit. If they used directional transmission methods, then they can spend even less energy. Our receivers are getting better, but those won't hear something that doesn't come their way.
Reductio Ad Adsurdium David
Now I have to filter out Timothy too. I'm down to like 2 "editors" left.
Alien 'Proof' Rejected As Hype
By
Emma Brady
Startling images of an object thought to be a UFO are nothing
more than over-exposed pictures of a planet, according to a
Birmingham professor.
Pictures beamed back from the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory
(Soho), a satellite monitoring the sun, using equipment
developed by Birmingham University experts were thought to be
proof of alien ships in space.
But Professor George Simnett, head of the university's space
research group, has dismissed the hype surrounding the claims as
"nonsense".
The digital pictures are due to be displayed in a public
exhibition at the National Space Centre in Leicester - organised
by UFO group Euroseti - next week.
They were taken using LASCO - Large Angle Spectrometric
Coronagraph - developed by experts from Birmingham University,
the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington DC, the Max Planck
Institute in Germany and LAS in Marseilles, France.
Prof Simnett said: "The digital technology inside our
instruments and camera is similar to those in domestic digital
cameras, so instead of images being saved on film they are
captured on a charged couple device.
"If the CCD is saturated at a given point, for example with too
much light, it causes an elongation of image with a bright white
spot at the centre, which is a characteristic of over-exposure.
"The image seen in various newspapers is of an over-exposed
planet - it is not a UFO." Mike Murray, founder of Euroseti,
obtained the images from a Spanish businessman who had received
more than 700 pictures from Soho since 2001 by using a giant
satellite dish at his home.
Convinced the over-exposed pictures were of unidentified flying
objects he approached Nasa, who had previously dismissed them as
being the result of a camera fault. Nasa now believe the images
are of comets or asteroids.
But Prof Simnett said UFO investigators were clutching at straws
with their latest claims. He said: "This story that these
pictures are of alien craft is just nonsense.
"The people at the National Space Centre should know better than
this as well.
"It's my camera, my instruments that have taken these pictures,
and I know what it's capable of seeing. We understand perfectly
how these images are filmed and what they appear to be - and
they are not UFOs or alien crafts."
But Mr Murray, who will give evening presentations about the
images on January 24 to 26, said: "They are archetypal flying
saucers - disc-shaped objects with some kind of glow around
them. Many have a pulsing light and leave a trail behind them.
"I think it's absolutely irrefutable that this couldn't be
anything other than a machine. It's an astonishing picture."
Last night the National Space Centre refused to be drawn into
the debate.
Pam Murdock, the centre's marketing manager, said: "As part of
our business plan we offer corporate facilities for hire, but
that does not necessarily mean we endorse the topic under
discussion at any particular event."
you can disable gif animation with opera or proxomitron
EUROSETI TO REVEAL STARTLING UFO IMAGES AT THE NATIONAL SPACE CENTRE!
A full-page advertisement in the January 2003 issue of UFO Magazine has generated considerable interest amongst the UFO community. It refers to an event taking place on the weekend of 24-27 January, when some extraordinary satellite images of anomalous objects will be screened at the National Space Centre in Leicester. The screenings will be held on the evenings of Friday, Saturday and Sunday, with each commencing at 7.30pm.
For the past two years, hundreds of extraordinary UFO-like images have been gleaned by a Spanish-based team using two space-based satellites and which defy explanation.
NASA initially tried to explain the images away as pixel faults, passing meteors or asteroids, etc., but when a European-led consortium presented them with images that clearly were none of the aforementioned, they 'clamped up'.
On Tuesday, 7 January 2003, Mr. Mike Murray, one of the founders of EUROSETI, visited the offices of UFO Magazine to conduct a WORLD EXCLUSIVE filmed interview. With his kind permission, that interview - which features a healthy selection of these images - can now be viewed on our website.
Those wishing to attend the lectures at Britain's National Space Centre in Leicester should book their seat a.s.a.p. with EUROSETI. Tickets are £20.00 each and available NOW!
Note that each ticket holder will receive a FREE CD containing all of the EUROSETI images, including a vast range of computer analysed enhancements.
The EUROSETI ticket hotline number is: 01733 293720.
N.B. You can order the CD priced at £15.00 via the number above
Just look at the goatse guy. Must have been some probe.
Yeah, I see what they're talking about now. That photo looks exactly like an early eighties video game UFO! No wonder they're convinced this is real! :)
The picture from the farked site is here: disney.jpg
New slashdot headlines:
Britany Spears impregnated by CowboyNeal.
CmdrTaco blood is made of taco sauce.
Timothy's brain is removed and no one noticed.
Oh well thats why I keep reading slashdot you never know what is next.
Apathy? I don't think the editors of the National Inquiror, the "Star", and other supermarket checkout line rags are apathetic. Pandering for page views? Yes. Apathy? Strictly speaking, no.
I too wish there were more solid news stories here. Pandering for page views is understandable on occasion, but the "hard news"/"glitz" ratio should be higher.
Peace
...a European-led consortium presented them with images that clearly were none of the aforementioned, they 'clamped up.
/. goes on in full amateur mode.
In case anyone is wondering if the people at Slashdot practice journalism or even make an attempt at verifying facts, that quote provides the answer: no.
Who says? What "European-led constortium"? Where's the evidence that NASA "clamped up"? What does "clearly none of the aforementioned" mean? That's an assertion of an opinion.
This story may be perfectly true, but then again it might not be. Meanwhile,
-- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
We need the Elerium-115!
This should do a lot to discredit Seti. Either they are UFO loving wack-jobs, or UFO's do exist, but obviously aren't using any kind of radio communication that can be detected using Distributed computing.
Perhaps these people will put their computers to better use.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
All I know is I'm going to be at the conference, and when the aliens come down from the sky and hover over everyonce in the audience, I'll be there. Then a really hot alien chick will get beamed down in front of me, and we'll be the first inter-planetary-species couple.
Wait? What day is the announcement? CRAP! That's the day of my Star Trek convention! Oh well, I bet the engines from the alient craft will burn everyone in the audience anyway.
The site speaks the truth!
So the dark side posted it on Slashdot, making sure that no-one would be able to read or view it until they got to the ISP and had the server shut down!
I'm sure of it, now I have to finish this post quickly because there seems to be a brownout in the power here!
Now if only that idiot outside my livingroom window would turn off those bright headlights! hmm wait, I live on the 5th floor..
my sig
Admiral! Set LUDICROUS speed!
Pseudoscience.
any suggestions on what the image icon should be?
Hmmm. I think that you and the parent post are talking about different things.
According to quantum information theory, quantum pairing should have a theoretical maximum of twice the speed of light.
As I was posting elsewhere on this thread, the basic concept, as I understand it, is that an atom or molecule is excited such that is emits a photon and anti-photon (photon is it's own anti-particle, so two photons are emitted). These photons are emitted in different directions. If the photons are emitted at an acute angle to each other, then the information is passed at a rate less than the speed of light. If the photons are emitted at an obtuse angle to each other, then the information is passed at a rate greater than the speed of light, but less than twice the speed of light.
If I recall correctly, Feynman's Lectures on Physics covers the basic principles, as do works by Heisenberg and Schroedinger. Specific to the topic, however, is the work by Owen Chamberlain, for his discovery of the anti-proton, and the work by Chen Ning Yang and Tsung-Dao Lee for their investigation into parity laws of the elementary particles.
if you follow the link to the site you'll see that its a Log vs Log plot!! You can just about generate a straight line of anything vs anything on a log-log plot. I'm sure you could almost generate a similar curve by plotting the (log)number of eggs that people eat vs (log) UFO sightings. Anyone with a basic Stats knowlege should know this...
But it is funny..
..........FULL STOP.
Would you kindly liberate a few from M$.WMF and post them somewhere?
DMCA, Hollings, Palladium. What might have sounded like paranoia is now common sense.
A little cliche twist...
On Klacknar, job finds you!
I like big butts and I cannot lie.
There are better "news for nerds" sites out there. All you Slashdot addicts should check out this site.
This is the basic premise that science is a belief system. To some degree, it is. What is really scary is the number of people who won't even entertain an idea because some "expert" says it's nutso. The plain bald truth is that no one on Earth, scientist or nonscientist alike, has the foggiest idea what's under the surface of Mars, let alone orbitting alpha-Centauri. Try to keep an open mind, fellows.
Hic iacet Arthurus, rex quondam rexque futurus.
O.K. I'm new here so this must be a joke right? because that is the worst fake I have ever seen...the grain of the picture is mismatched.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
Just curious how difficult it is to write a virus to sabotage a totally unknown computing system... or perhaps the technical hooks in films are just a touch facile nowadays.
They claim first and prove 'later'. The first group which comes straight out and gives the evidence without some bullshit pseudo-hype before it should be given the publicity they deserve.
I wonder if this conference will be delayed because of.... a power failure brought on by UFO interferance? Or perhaps they will announce their leader has been abducted and given a probe up the rear end.
when a European-led consortium presented them with images that clearly were none of the aforementioned, they 'clamped up.'"
Don't we all know the feeling, when some moron just keeps on talking and we really want them to shut up or go away. First my responses gets limited to "yes" and "no", then "ah" and "hm", then I just stop reacting on what they are saying all together.
my sig
You're stupid.
I am sitting in my basement with my aluminum foil hat on and glass of water in hand.
So has anyone taken credit yet for hacking into these SOHO Satellites image databases and inserting these pics???
If your random variables are not normally distributed ('normal' means they have low values of skewness and excess kurtosis) the typical rule of thumb is to apply some remapping function to normalize them.
If a random variable is in some sort of exponential distribution it will have a high skewness (and possibly high excess kurtosis as well) and the proper thing to do is normalize with log before looking at the Pearson correlation coefficient. This is because the statistical significance math for correlations presumes normality.
It so happens that a lot of variables on the 50 United States (plus DC) are not normally distributed and taking the log or sqrt gives a better distribution for statistical work.
Seastead this.
http://www.scifi.com/happens/happens_1_big.mov
And an analysis of the video by a special effects expert:
http://www.realufos.com/wtcopinion.shtml
For compatibiity with the alien systems. There may very well be other aliens (using Windoze), but they can't get out of their own galaxy without rebooting or encountering BSOD. The resources these aliens could have used to improve and stabilize their systems were foolishly squandered on DRM.
WE COME TO SLASHDOT j00
1. The site uses blink tags. yick.
2. The title of the page is New Page 3.
3. It's being hosted on Win 98! with IIS!
Since when has this country used intellectual elite as a pejorative term?
The pic here Very interesting Looking craft.
"Order the CD NOW!" So, if you would spot an alien, would you start burning CD's with the images and sell them for a few dollars. Hope not!
And I've seen too many of those, too many people say they have seen aliens. I once sent an e-mail to a site like this, asked them "how the space-ship could have travelled faster than the speed of light" as was said in the article. They never answered.
I mean... how can we believe people who say they have seen aliens when so many do - and their stories obviously contradict each other. If I decided to believe in aliens, not only would I have to believe that they were orbiting our planet right now, but that there were actually various types of aliens orbiting our planet! And that's just a bit too incredible.
Just look into a book store, you will find at least one book about people who have seen aliens. As I say - too many!
They are coming....JIMMY!
What? I don't see anything absurd about Cold Fusion magazines :)
Years from now people will reminisce about the late great Slashdot, I predict that a consensus will emerge that this story here was either the beginning of the end or the final straw depending on how you feel about /. today.
They really *are* flying disks: They are AOL disks tossed out by shuttle astronauts.
I toss my AOL disks into the sky also. However, gravity eventually interferes down here.
Table-ized A.I.
http://www.ufocity.com/modules/news/article.php?st oryid=3521
Here's a press release entitled: EUROSETI TO REVEAL STARTLING UFO IMAGES AT THE NATIONAL SPACE CENTRE! (yes, all CAPS)
I'm putting it here so you can read it even after the site has been slashdotted.
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From Graham W. Birdsall, Publisher of UFO Magazine (UK)
EUROSETI TO REVEAL STARTLING UFO IMAGES AT THE NATIONAL SPACE CENTRE!
A full-page advertisement in the January 2003 issue of UFO Magazine has generated considerable interest amongst the UFO community. It refers to an event taking place on the weekend of 24-27 January, when some extraordinary satellite images of anomalous objects will be screened at the National Space Centre in Leicester. The screenings will be held on the evenings of Friday, Saturday and Sunday, with each commencing at 7.30pm.
For the past two years, hundreds of extraordinary UFO-like images have been gleaned by a Spanish-based team using two space-based satellites and which defy explanation.
NASA initially tried to explain the images away as pixel faults, passing meteors or asteroids, etc., but when a European-led consortium presented them with images that clearly were none of the aforementioned, they 'clamped up'.
On Tuesday, 7 January 2003, Mr. Mike Murray, one of the founders of EUROSETI, visited the offices of UFO Magazine to conduct a WORLD EXCLUSIVE filmed interview. With his kind permission, that interview - which features a healthy selection of these images - can now be viewed on our website.
http://www.ufomag.co.uk/euroseti.htm
Those wishing to attend the lectures at Britain's National Space Centre in Leicester should book their seat a.s.a.p. with EUROSETI. Tickets are £20.00 each and available NOW!
Note that each ticket holder will receive a FREE CD containing all of the EUROSETI images, including a vast range of computer analysed enhancements.
The EUROSETI ticket hotline number is: 01733 293720
Not only that, but a civilization that is still using radio transmissions to communicate will absolutely not be making transmissions that are powerful enough for us to hear. I doubt if people with our level of technology can hear us from more than a few light years away, if that.
Quoth this article :
"I think it's absolutely irrefutable that this couldn't be anything other than a machine. It's an astonishing picture."
See that? Absolutely irrefutable! So just give up the debate! This man is obviously an extremely smart scientist. How else could he be so absolutely sure?
-drb
Don't become a regular here -- you will become retarded.
Hello, I have never posted. I always just enjoy reading. After reviewing this article I felt I had to say something. This article is not good enough for slashdot! I mean, if it were linked to a non-UFO centric site I'd let it slip but give me a break. /. readers are smarter than this and the moderators should be too.
Actually, it even made sense then.
Of course, in order to write this post, I had to screw it on properly again, so I can't tell you what it said. Go do your own googling, and read it for yourself.
However, having done my own little search, I have come to the conclusion that NASA's clamping up represents a conspiracy to not talk to idiots and nut cases!
Clearly, the orders come from the very top, probably within the cranial region of their spokesmen and scientists. Meanwhile, we get back to other slashdot news, stuff that matters.
Correct Horse Battery Staple: 72 bits of entropy. Enter "Correct H" into google. When it generates the phrase, that's
Dear Sir,
/. revolutionary activities at once and report to your Control.
Thanks to recent advances in technology mind control lasers have never before been as safe and as effective as they are today. Insights from confidential sources have allowed us to make past limitations in our systems obsolete. Now mind control lasering technology relies on non-material interference bands and goes directly into each subject regardless of most terrestrial technologies jamming efforts.
Please cease your
Thank you,
They
One hting that made me profoundly dissapointed with Slashdot is that they did not post an artcle after the Elmrod vs. Ashcroft decision the day the decision happened.
I am losing more and more respect for slashdot. It used to be a site for Linux geeks to talk about how great Linux is. No more.
The porn industry drives everything here on Earth. Because of it, we've seen the rise of VCR, DVD, various telephone systems, etc.
:p
Likely, porn fueled these aliens' race into space, and now they're abducting Terrans for some hot intergalactic sex scenes.
What is with the "New Logic" that the mainstream now employs?
* "Inspectors have not found any evidence that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. Cheney cites this as a clear indication they indeed do have weapons of mass destruction and are hiding them."
* "UFO evidence shown to NASA. NASA doesn't respond. This clearly indicates that they can't refute the evidence."
People have gone mad. I suspect that since nobody is denying it, everyone has actually gone mad. This is clear evidence!
I wish this were real. Then people wouldn't be so nationalistic. The world would be brought together since the "UFO threat" would affect all of the earth. I'd love to be a citizen of earth, rather than the United States. Then we'd only have to worry about stupid humans trying to start an intergallactic war.
Greg
There\'s no place like ~
There should be a tin-hat logo for News of the Absurd: Stuff that Inspires Laughter. Like this. I mean, come on, could this be any more laughable?
don't blame me...*I* voted for Kodos!
We handled the Dilgar.
We can handle the Minbari!
War, schmore.
For the past two years, hundreds of extraordinary UFO-like images have been gleaned by a Spanish-based team using two space-based satellites.
As opposed to the normal land-based satellites we're all used to?
Honestly, I don't care if this gets me modded down: when pseudo science, a la roblimo's Alex Chiu "interview" is the norm, I won't bother reading Slashdot. Fortunately, there've been relatively few such articles thus far. Timothy, however, is clearly attempting to change that: first was the Starcraft book review (http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/12/16 /1630223&mode=thread&tid=160), and now he's posting unverified, unsubstantiated tripe from clearly biased sites. I -want- to believe in alien life! I'm dying to! But I consider myself in the same league as Carl Sagan: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." There's a big difference between the SETI folk, who want to believe in UFOs, but are yet to see proof, and the UFO-weenies, who already believe, proof be damned.
dude !
hee hee hee hee...nice joke !
MOD PARENT TO -1! This has been readable at default AC threshold for 2 hours.
but this is the most compelling evidence for the presence of aliens i've ever come across.
has anyone tried this technique? lemme know.
ASCII version: -------.:.
Note what appears to be a string or wire of some sort suspendend it! Hmmm...
Time to put my tinfoil hat back on. I named mine 'Jimmy'. :)
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when the personal attacks start you lose. that was really embarassing, i hope your mommy spanks you later for your rude behavoir.
timothy shouldn't be allowed to post stories anymore.
He's been watching too much TV lately.
Wait just a second.....
Unidentified Flying Objects?
Has anyone notified our Homeland Security of this potential threat?
All it takes is a couple of these so called "Ufo's" flying around us and then WHAM!!!!...
If they don't blast a new moon outta us, they will surely rob us of all our valuable plastic grocery sacks.
SuperGlueBooger
Will you defective clones quit wasting valuable resources and get back to work !!!
I am the original ! Obey me...
Or I will sell all of you on Galatic Ebay.
With NO reserve price & I'll pay shipping
I may not make any profit, but this planet might
survive
Signed
The "Secret, Hidden, Behind the Scenes" Overlord
seti account
must prove something
Their website is here. They apparently cater banquets and probably hired out to "euroseti", but there's no press release or news announcement about this on their site.
The flying objects identify you.
Now, what a coincidence: the picture shown on that guy's computer (the movies are slashdotted anyway...) resemble... wow, a flying saucer! The same shapes that have been used in all the hoaxes from the last fourty years! Now I'm convinced.
Hello! I'm a disaster waiting to happen!
Wow, man. Do you think this could be the dark matter astrophysicists can't seem to find?
nice joke, but I don't think it's ok that sucks /. posts it under science.
"...using two space-based satellites...". yeah, as opposed to my two garage based ones. *sighs*
the scientist debunking the photo says it's overexposure of a planet, not a UFO, and that such things happen frequently with this instrument.
great, by every measure you've posted an excellent link to provide a reasonable explanation for the image.
note that it should be a trivial matter for a reasonably competent scientist look at the date/time the pic was taken, the direction it was pointing, and identify the exact planet beyond any doubt.
when the required info comes out, this will surely happen, exposing the UFO site as a fraud, or not, as the case may be.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
See my user info for links.
Now we have confirmation that there are in fact Klingons around Uranus.
Sorry.
__ Someday, but not this morning, I'll finally learn to use the preview button.
They manage to find UFO's but they can't manage to find WMD in Iraq....
There is a lot of confusion with this. When the particles are, as you called, 'a quantum pair' and Alice measures one of them, the other one assumes the same measured value, so Bob also sees the same value. There is no way to transmit information that way, since Alice doesn't know or controls what value her measurement will turn out to be. But, as soon as she measures, both Alice and Bob has the same, totally useless, random piece of information. Well, not useless, you can use this as an encryption key, but that's another story...
"There is no teacher but the enemy."-Mazer Rackham
You there at the back. Sit down, please and put your cell phones away. You can talk after class. Now I hope everybody did the reading. . ?
No. . ?
Well, I suppose that doesn't surprise me. --Even though one would think this is perhaps one of the most fascinating subjects offered in the entire curriculum. No, you don't have to ask to go to the washroom. Just let yourself out quietly. --And that's a big part of the problem, do you see? --And thank you for offering an excellent example with which to launch today's discussion.
Why did he ask me if he could go to the washroom? When did you all learn that, 'rule'? He didn't even think; he just put up his hand hoping that I would grant permission to void his bowls. --One of the most personal and essential human functions we each must experience daily, and yet he automatically sought my permission. Why is that? I'm just a guy in a tweed jacket standing behind a podium. Why should I suddenly have the authority over whether or not one of you is allowed to engage in one of nature's most essential acts? I hear some of you laughing. That's also curious. --I see our young man is turning a little red around the jowls, so your laughter is having some effect. --Yes, yes, you don't need to stand there with your legs crossed. It's just down the hall on your left. Go on.
Now why do you laugh? Why did he turn red? Why did he ask permission at all? Why, why, why?
I want you all to keep these questions in mind as we carry on. .
Where was I. . ? Ah yes. It is common these days for the general public to know virtually nothing about UFO's, and yet nearly every person you come across will jump at the opportunity to ridicule and dismiss, or say things like, "Well, I'd like to believe, but there just isn't enough evidence."
Typically, those who react in this way. .
Now before I carry on with this lesson, I would like each of you to go home and please do the assigned reading. The book you have been assigned, I believe, is Richard M. Dolan's "UFOs and the National Security State." --There is a great deal of clap-trap out there regarding this subject, so I have taken pains to direct you to one of the more reliable sources of data. There are others, but this is one of the more complete, responsibly written and easier to digest. Don't waste this opportunity.
Now I don't want to hear any dissent until you have read that book from cover to cover and can give me a detailed history beginning with the Foo Fighter, the reactions of the various governments around the world to the tens of thousands of collected UFO reports from the early forties onward, and the roles of the various U.S. governmental key people in the political, military and intelligence communities.
--What's that? No. Reading an internet review of the book and forming your opinion entirely that way is certainly not good enough. In this disposable society of ours, canned opinions are far too available, and particularly where television is concerned, far too misleading. You won't realize just how misleading until you have done some proper research where snack-food and remote controls are not part of the process. Obtain a copy, read it yourself and then form your own opinion. Until then, I'm going to cut this class short. Don't come back until you know what you're talking about. Then we can begin our discussion.
-Fantastic Lad
A post by an Anonymous Coward (glass shattering around me as I write), linking to a *sensational* story on a *sensational* site about a *sensational* discovery. Very nice!
:)
In adition to this fantastically revealing story, the website has stuff on secret NASA transmissions, secret Shuttle flights and, wait for it, The True Story About Roswell!!
So we gotta believe this, right?
On closer inspection, Google only returns seti@home groups for "EuroSeti", so this group doesn't exist on any net servers, at least. The only places carrying the article are other "sensational" sites, and the National Space Center i Leicester is a commercially funded MUSEUM! Not, as the name might imply, a serious research facility for space-related stuff...
So the "EuroSeti" guys rented an auditorium and are trying to sell tickets and CDs for £15 a pop.
Nice touch with the free advertising, though
Greets,
Penhead
There were also other technical reasons - that part of the spectrum was believed to be one of the most efficient for transmitting through interstellar space.
Aside from the fact that that was what their radiotelescopes were designed to detect (we have a hammer, therefore the problem is a nail)...
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
--Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
"...a Spanish-based team using two space-based satellites."
This apparently yielded much better results than the Polish-based team who used two ground-based satellites.
As a former contract engineer for both Reynolds and Alcoa, I can tell you first hand that we perfected wave-permeable aluminum foil back in the mid-1980's. Allowing authorized mind control while retaining the properties necessary to seal in the juices for that holiday turkey was a formidable assignment, and..
BANG!
Shit! His nose hit the enter key! Pull the damned plug NOW befo
*bleep*
(someone had to write it)
Right, but supposing they do have hard evidence, but just didn't make it available on the site, /. might want the scoop. All editors want scoops.
I wonder how much of NASA's resources are wasted on the public?
It's a trap!
(er wrong site)
Either you're either overlooking reality, or you're asking the impossible:
So in reality, as other posters have said, you need to look at what is being said, not who said it, or you will be looking for a long time.
Don't think of it as a flame---it's more like an argument that does 3d6 fire damage
...absent scale bars, can't be sure, but
it certainly looks as though your flying
saucer is three (count 'em, 3) pixels
in the SOHO image.
Something simple, like ALIENS FROM ANOTHER WORLD!
Humpty Dumpty was pushed.
Has anyone heard of them? Google hasn't heard much...
Where's my towell?
What does this have to do with logical reasoning? It has to do with observation and the accurate reporting of observation. The problem is that the scientific establishment has been laughing at anyone who even looks at the evidence for so long that scientists working in observational astronomy are deathly afraid of reporting anything that smacks of forbidden ideas like alien craft in the Solar System. Jacques Vallee has documented the actual destruction of observational data that resulted from this fear. Thankfully, it appears that at least now there is some chance that those who make valid observations will not be afraid of reporting what they have seen.
As to what you believe, I--and science in general--do not care. I am not interested in convincing you of anything. I am not a missionary. What I do wish you and your compatriots would do is stop ridiculing long enough to allow observational science to deal with the phenomena involved. This could very well be quite serious business. One can only imagine what the local witch doctor told the chief when the first European was sighted off the American shore. We need to learn a bit from our own history.
Hic iacet Arthurus, rex quondam rexque futurus.
Oh wait yet it is. Never mind.
When I look at the image at the head of the linked page ("Disney.jpg" - curiously)
what I see is a VERY low resolution image.
Look at the red trail behind it. There are a bunch of little raster-aligned
four-pointed star shapes. (The one on the extreme left is a prime example).
This is what you get if you take a VERY low resolution image an blow it up
with simple bilinear blending between the pixels. Taking this as evidence
of the original image resolution, we can see that the 'spaceship' at the
righthand end of the image is just about 3 pixels across - but has been
false-coloured so that the bilinear blending has become magenta and yellow
bands. Those are not 'real' they are just a part of the false-colouring.
Isn't it suspicious that the "UFO" is exactly aligned with the raster?
This is a fake...well, perhaps not exactly a fake - but an intentional
mis-use of image manipulation to produce an image that was never really
there.
You could reproduce this image in GIMP in about 3 minutes flat.
1) Create a 20x20 RGB image.
2) Using a 1 pixel brush, paint a diagonal line using bright red.
3) Fatten one end of the line slightly.
At this point, your image (if you'd gotten it from a photo of the
night sky) wouldn't convince you that this was a UFO - would it?
It could be any kind of a trail, meteor, military jet on afterburner,
a flare, a firework, anything like that.
4) Increase the image resolution to 400x400
Notice how the 'tail' now looks EXACTLY like the one in the
ufomag web site. Look at the 'star' shapes in the tail.
So, now let's do some "false-colour enhancement":
5) Choose 'select by colour' - set the threshold down to nearly
zero percent and click on a region at the center of the 'head'
of the trail. Fill it with magenta.
6) Pick a pixel close to that, fill it with a nice lemon yellow.
Notice how your image looks startlingly similar to the one
on the ufomag website. All the artifacts present in their
image are present in yours.
Now, I'm not saying that they painted their image in GIMP,
I'm quite prepared to accept that it's a photo of a real
world night-sky object. However, the pretty pink and yellow
spaceship on the right - complete with spooky red glow and
engine exhaust is no more than a deliberately produced
artifact.
The yellow and pink regions are BOTH narrower than the original
pixel resolution - no feature narrower than TWO pixels wide
(Nyquist sampling limit) can ever be reconstructed from an
image.
Bah. BULLSHIT!!
www.sjbaker.org
The problem with that is that the only way for Bob to tell if Alice performed or not a measurement is if Bob performs one himself. Bob would never know if the value he has is due to Alice's or his measurement.
"There is no teacher but the enemy."-Mazer Rackham
These images are just being beamed from Fidel Castro's one man escape sub through Hitler's frozen brain to fool the freemasons into thinking that the men in black and the omega council are not consorting with the illuminati... OR HAVE THEY GOTTEN TO YOU TOO?!?!?!
This looks to me like an image of an ordinary star saturating the ccd (the cross), with some small portion of the exposure time suffering from a tracking problem (the diagonal smear). Many telescopes have a cross-shaped support for the imaging device within the light path, and what results is a cross-shaped diffraction peak around bright stars. Or, saturation of the pixels under a bright image bleeds out along the principal directions of the ccd. Notice how the cross is aligned with the up and down directions of the image?
Bullshit sense... Tingling!
This story is obvious nonsense.
"Information wants to be paid"
Yes I am an alien. And a regular slashdot reader. And thanks to you humans I have compiled mozilla to work in my operating environment. Cross platform is the shit!
Similarly, I've learned to comppletely ignore the "facts" espoused by the usual conservative commentators (Limbaugh, Hannity, Boortz, the entirety of Faux News). Because every time I've bothered to investigate their charges further, I found them to be completely wrong, and I mean 180 degrees out. So why waste my time even wondering if what they say is true? It never is.
On the other hand, I've learned to generally accept NY Times reporting as accurate (although they have occasional conservative corporate/government blindspots, like their endorsement of the anti-democratic Venezuelan coup a year ago), the Economist isn't afraid to take on some of the sillier positions of the WSJ, and the local news is never ever EVER a good source for anything but the weather. The world in 60 seconds, indeed.
Why I'm wasting my time typing all this, I'm note sure :)
One simple rule for its versus it's
Of course it's a retarded scam. For the reason that any space travellers would be ALIENS. Which means they are COMPLETLY ALIEN to us. Their ship(s) would probably not even be recognizable as a vehicle to us, let alone a "flying saucer".
Wow, this cracks me up...
The one group of people on this planet I would have expected to be open-minded and a least examine this with the thought that it MIGHT be legit, instead automatically and almost universally dismissed it out-of-hand as a hoax, mistake, conspiracy or other something or other, but certainly not possibly real.
Are we suddenly so jaded by fake human clone claims (which even STILL could be legit, but I digress...) that we just as a matter of course believe that anything regarding UFOs must be false?
NONE OF YOU ARE TRUE GEEKS!! Please hand in your nerd ID card and pocket protector on your way out of the "rent-a-date" center and immediately delete Linux from your machines, your not geeky enough!
If a pion (n-) collides with a proton in the woods & noone is there to hear it, does lamdba decay into the source pa
Oh really? Dozens, you say? As in at least 24 books?
I am going to go out on a limb here and call you a liar.
--Not in the worst sense, mind you. The internet is rife with people who just can't help but exaggerate their claims (or invent them outright), with such wordings. In either case, I am willing to bet you are a great, great deal less informed than you claim. And further, going to a UFO convention, if indeed you have even done that, (it's just SO easy to make false claims and raise reasonable doubt here in cyberspace, isn't it?), then I would suggest that simply having had contact with a lunatic fringe, (I have met some crazies, too), should not have anything to do with determining what is real and not real. Think of the power! If I can make you ignore something simply by enlisting an obsessive-compulsive to talk at you for a while, then that gives me a great deal of control over who and what you are, don't you think?
No, I don't suppose you do. (Think, that is.) --You really ought to try it sometime. Thinking outside your conditioning only hurts if you allow the ignorant sheep, (like yourself), to inflict their silly, nasty words upon you with any effect. It's actually very, very easy to ignore once you begin to see exactly how social cotrol mechanisms work. You may understand one day.
--But don't worry. Even if you never learn, you can take refuge in the fact that, Yes. You are a good little boy, holding the party line and entrenching your own ignorance like so. Many gold stickers for you, son. --Your laziness and fear are exemplary!
And please, don't bother doing a Google search to build a list of at least 24 titles which you haven't read, (and probably shouldn't BTW, considering the general quality of most information available on this most abused of subjects), but can pretend to have read in order to make-believe that you know something which you do not. --And to make people like me stop talking so much and bothering your cozy little falsehood of a reality, (which you paid good money for!).
The exit is at the rear.
Next.
-Fantastic Lad
EuroSeti? What's that, an organization dedicated to searching for intelligent life in Europe?
(Judging by the content and quality of the website I bet it's just another hoax.)
As the alien spaceship leaves its homeworld, it begins letting out a piece of string. It continues to let out string as it travels, stopping by the occasional asteroid to pick up more raw materials for string. When it reaches its destination, they use the string to communicate with the homeworld. No, dummy, not by talking into a tin can! That would require sound waves, which would be limited to the speed of sound. They tug on the string in Morse Code. Of course, they wouldn't call it Morse, 'cause the person on their homeworld who invented it would be named something like "Boeulrak". So they tug on the string in Boeulrak Code. Instant intergalactic communication! All brought to you by the miracles of a ball of string! (Would this hypothesis of communication be called "String Theory"?)
Darned tropical millipede! What's it doing in our apartment?
was listed as UFO object in late 1950s until it was shot down by communists..
Sometimes a UFO object gets the label because of miltary secrecy..
Don't Tread on OpenSource
every crank thinks aliens are going to come flying in on a large hovering disk?
...require extraordinary evidence. Is this extraordinary evidence?
Install WindowsCE and watch their doors open and close uncontrollably, decompressing the space ships.
on the jerks who run slashdot for posting such an idiotic article.
In fact, there's a great picture at Science@NASA that shows Jupiter, Venus, Mars, and Saturn all in SOHO's field of view. All with the diffraction spikes at the sides of the planets.
More images with diffraction spikes:
The Finding of Comet SOHO 2002 C4
Hot Shots from SOHO - high bandwidth, but great examples showing that the image at the top of the EuroSeti page is almost definitely a comet
They are always pulling that kind of rationalization or disinformation.
Once, when I showed them a picture I had of an alien on the moon, they tried to explain it away as being Buzz Aldrin. When I kept confronting them, they clamped up.
This space available.
7) ???? 8) Profit!
Oh man, that image on their site looks just like the "ufo" tip on my laser pointer,,, What is this thing's range again? It is just too stupid that every single "picture" of a UFO is shaped like a damned 'flying saucer'. Are any of our space travel vehicles saucer shaped? Wouldn't something like this: http://www.b5mods.com/site/banner_star_wars_episod e_1.jpg be more likley? And the little green men standard is just stupid as hell. I believe that anyone who claims anything to do with a UFO lacks any sort of imagination at all, when the reference these 'standard' descriptions.
If there are inteligent beings out there, and they land their milk saucer on my front lawn, and pop thier little green heads out, and talk to me with their minds while gazing at me through their hug black eyes, then I will believe. Or until I see it on CNN, or the president makes a statement. Until then its just a bunch of bullshit.
Who really care's if there are aliens 10,000,000 light years away from us and the goverment is coveing up this knowledge? Does it really affect me in any way? NO!
Honestly, is that the best picture they could come up with for their site? It looks so fake I cannot even look at it without laughing.
And what is with the 'dialup' and 'high speed' images? This site looks to be designed by a high school student, certainly not a reputable group.
Just my reaction, you don't have to enjoy it.
its a ufo! is must be aliens...
sarcasm detected, sarcasm detected... initialising anti-sarcasm measures...
I know you are psychotic, but please make an effort.
Well, if they are claiming the pictures are from SOHO, you can look at the data yourself. All data from SOHO is available to the public via an archive (I'm not going to link to it, find it yourself) -- you just have to generate the images! You'll need IDL (or other similar software) to analyze the FITS format files, but the data is there.
I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing. -- Thomas Jefferson
Wonderful, someone has used satelite imaging to show that they have seen objects they can't identify. Kind of like how the Hubble gave us a bunch of unidentifiable objects in space, now this satelite gives us UFO's from back home. They didn't need this kind of a project. I could have sent them some of my pictures. I, Mr Cant Take A Good Picture, has several pictures with UFO's.
Let me tell you this: Almost everything on Page 3 (not safe for work) is photoshopped.
Nevermind, the satellite just picked up someone playing Cosmic Ark.
I think it is difficult to talk about the speed of a photon in the rest frame of another photon. This is because any rest frame traveling at the speed of light experiences no change in time. Time stands still. It will travel to the end of the universe and back (assuming it was not annihilated in route) and will never experience time.
a large, flaming head takes a bite out of the sun!
I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing. -- Thomas Jefferson
Of course, I don't believe this, but it's fun to think of.
They've released a teaser notice about potential UFO evidence to be discussed at a conference late this week.
Tickets to the conference are $20.
Riiiggghtt....
What's next, a link to the cold fusion magazines? Perpetual motion devices?
or even weeks straight of front-page news in major media about some wacky UFO cult's latest attention-getting stunt?
oh, wait... nevermind...
This Like That - fun with words!
Okay, this isn't a troll.. just a statement of opinion.
Like several people have mentioned above; I would find it more credible if the site linked to wasn't a little "on the fringe".. it seems like a
hokey attempt at gathering cash. That could certainly turn out not to be the case, but their site doesn't seem to suggest otherwise.
And.. . if what they discovered was something unmistakeably ufo/alien related, it would be plastered across every single major news network and website out there. The fact that these strange images / anomolies aren't gracing CNN headline news really puts it into serious doubt.
It kinda stinks, like the stench I imagine the "raelien" (or however the hell it's spelled)
group/cult/freaks put out.
Anyway, just opinions.. It'll be interesting to see what, if -anything- they present to the international community.
In the EPR experiment both one particle knows that its twin was measured instantly and changes accordingly. An instant is faster than light :-)
The only catch is that no information can be transmited this way, so the c limit is still valid.
"There is no teacher but the enemy."-Mazer Rackham
SETI hasnt produce any evidence of UFO after billions and billions hour of calculation. Maybe SETI needs to talk to these folks
I have done extensive personal research over many years and the most striking thing I have learned about the UFO phenomenon is that it changes depending on what is expected of it, in a manner similar to the way the properties of hypnosis have evolved since its discovery by Mesmer. What does this mean? I don't know. But it might be a good idea to keep in mind the old saw about watching what you wish for, or in this case watching what you believe they are. Vallee thinks it's some kind of control system, a homeostatic device like a thermostat. More likely, it just adapts to its surroundings--or the mental state of those around it.
Hic iacet Arthurus, rex quondam rexque futurus.
See the links to the interviews videos! Theye are .wmv files. So, you need an UFO (Unidentified Flying Os) to see them.
Look, every Joe knows what UFO stands for. As long as these objects can possibly be considered "unidentifiable", they're not evidence at all, they're just freak anomolies. Inexplicable, or basically meaningless anomolies are a fact of life in every field of research, and life in general.
I think I speak for quite a few people when I really could care less, and tell me when something is conclusive. Otherwise it's just more whining about what we DON'T know and can't explain, rather than what we can prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
I seriously think Roswell sky-watchers are doing their cause more damage than good by constantly arguing utterly inconclusive anomolies. As long as it's even POSSIBLE to conceive of explaining them as "pixel faults", or whatever, that's not evidence. As such, they degrade their credibility one level further.
If you disagree, don't mod me down, just reply to this post.
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"Cogito Eggo Sum: I think, therefore, waffle."
Wheter it took 359 years for the catholic church to admit its error in the way it treated Galileo is irrelavent to whether it belived in plotomic model of the universe or not.
Point of fact is most everyone in the cathloic church agreed that the Copernican model of the solar system was correct. It was just a question of how to broach the subject to the "public" who had previously been indoternicated in the Aristoionean Earth centeral mode of thought.
Galleio was an ass and went against the church when he was asked not to publish his work on the subject for a bit (and had agreed to). This doesn't make the church right in their actions, anymore than it makes any poltical system right in protecting it's authority. None the less don't confuse the church as a religious entity and the church as a poletical entity.
This is where your argument breaks down.
This is the same problem with EPR type communcation. I send out two entangled photons. Person C and A measure the polarizations simultaneously, far apart. They know they got the same answer. But how do you use this to send a message from A to C?
Or in less esoteric terms, suppose I can send two letters to people who can't communicate with each other. They know they both got the exact same letter - but how can they use this to tell each other anything? They can't - and hence no information has passed from one person to the other.
It's not wasting time, I'm educating myself.
I read something from that same British UFO Mag a while ago, where they quoted some 'leading astronomer' who made these wild and wooly claims in some previous article about undeniable proof of aliens yadda yadda yadda
Something didn't seem right because the astronomer came from an observatory in my home town, which I'd never heard of.
Turns out the 'astronomer' had built a telescope with some friends in the middle of a field, and that was the sole basis for his credentials. I think his day job was sysadmin (or X files fan more likely).
Since then I've taken everything from UFO Mag as purely entertainment on the level of the alien autopsy or Hoaglands Face on Mars/NASA coverup...
Man is the center of all creation.
This place we call earth is what all the universe revolves around.
The earth is flat, just look at any picture of it, it's round but it's flat. You can fall off.
And everybody knows programmers are psuedo god helpers, specifically MS programmers.... and this is the damn second time I've typed this cause fu&in psuedo god decided it wanted to take my browser to some damn windows media player error page in the middle of typing this. And I wasn't even using the fu&in media player.
Wanna know if there are UFO? ask psuedo god what he thought that pie was before it hit him.
It's hidden under IE and i'm not even gonna try to find it in Netscape, but i'm 'buffering' it right now.... been 20 minutes and it's at 2%. I'll let yiou know if it was any good....
Any particular reason the pic on their front page is titled "Disney.jpg"? Seems like official NASA images would have names more like "1201mc.gif" or something...
Most of them are attributable to dust thrown off by the spacecraft itself -- e.g. one of the instruments would close its door, and then another instrument would see loads of moving specks.
Other streaks (like the one at the top of the linked page in the article) are often attributable to cosmic rays (often deliberately mistyped as "comic rays" by my cow orkers) or ionizing radiation from the Sun itself.
The LASCO wide-angle coronal camera often sees stuff moving in strange directions -- most of that is sungrazing comets from the Kreutz family of comets.
I work at the Southwest Research Institute now, and my coworker Dan Durda has done an extensive search through thousands of LASCO images for moving objects that don't fit the pattern of the sungrazing comets -- because he's interested in "vulcanoid asteroids", asteroids inside Mercury's orbit. He didn't find any, but I'm sure that any alien spacecraft jetting through the field of view would have tripped his algorithm.
It's certainly possible that these guys have found something new, but remember that "UFO" doesn't necessarily mean "alien spaceship".
Interestingly enough, SOHO itself registered as a false positive (caught by humans, fortunately) for the earthbound SETI algorithms. It's a strongish radio source that doesn't fit their earth-satellite pattern, since it's sitting at the Earth-Sun Lagrange point.
2. SOHO takes pictures of the Sun and presumably is specially instrumented for this purpose. Does that mean that UFOs are flaming balls of fire?
III. UFO just means that, unidentified flying object. It's too bad it has come to mean something else in the vernacular. I have unidentified stuff in my fridge. How can this unidentified object be flying in space? Doesn't something have to be in an atmosphere to fly, or do we say that asteroids "fly" now?
Why is this even taken seriously?
-Kevin
They should've used gimp.
The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than the question of whether a submarine can swim.
*blink*blink*UFO MAGAZINE WORLD EXCLUSIVE*blink*blink*...
Gimmie a fuckin break. I click on the only link on this page, expecting to see hard scientific data. What do I see? A bloated-ass animated GIF of a poorly rendered flying saucer, and three magazine covers. One magazine cover has a picture of a "grey" superimposed over the white house. Lovely. The second picture suggests the Moon landing was a fraud, which is a slap in the face to the tens of thousands of engineers who made it happen. The third image suggests aliens are abducting us with spooky-dookie glowing tractor beams. Yeah, thats great. Tons of credibility there.
This "news" isn't worth the powder to blow it to hell.
Cheers,
Bowie J. Poag
"For the past two years, hundreds of extraordinary UFO-like images have been gleaned by a Spanish-based team using two space-based satellites." ...and the hubcap from a 81 Ford Bronco... :-)
The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
...Because its true.
Timothy, it's true what everyone says about you. You're a retard. And you prove it regularly. Wherever Rob and Jeff originally found you, ask them to take you back there and drop you off.
Bowie J. Poag
"Just remember guys, a few things we know about these aliens so far: They're VERY susceptible to dying from earth based bacteria (War of the Worlds), their computers can be interfaced via Macintosh computers.. although I'm afraid we'll need to use OS9 or Classic mode to do that since they aren't advanced enough to use a BSD kernel yet (Independence Day), and water is deadly to them! (Signs) Remember this when they start invading guys."
:-)
You forgot one: Country music causes their heads to explode. (Mars attacks) Maybe you left it out because Country music has the same effect on a lot of us too...
The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
is not exactly "unidentified": if you know that a piece of kitchen china is whizzing through the air, it seems to me you have done a pretty careful job at identifying what it is already.
For an object that big, it should be easy to figure out which planet or asteroid it was.
What makes the planet explanation a bit odd is the way the trail is structured--it has a kink in it, and it isn't uniformly blurred. If this is a planet, then the picture must have been taken while the observatory itself was actively moving around.
I am going to be like Randy Quaid when this shit is really announced. You are all idiots.
And let's assume ALL the reports of abductees by little white aliens with big black eyes are bipeds, and have hands, feet, fingers, toes, etc... (just like us). If they are THAT similar to humans and Earthly primates, then one of two things occured: 1. (the most likely) They came from Earth before us, aka a "Pre-Adamic Race" - the bible may mention this, and I may be wrong on this; or 2. They put us here and all other bipeds/quadrapeds. I think the former is more likely, but that they branched out to explore the universe/solar system, taking a break to examine the little ape-like primates that we are. It is so very unlikely for these features to develop in species that originated from completely different environments let alone different PLANETS! The Earth seems replete with the right combination of chemical elements to keep life, the economy, and technology interesting. This could be an incredible and unlikely chance event or by divine design, you be the judge, but according to some information out there, WE are the experiment designed by the aliens, who also instilled into our conscious the idea/sense of God or other diety. So many things to ponder...
I one time saw a wookie wearin' sunglasses out by the sewage tank behind my trailer. I yelled out "Chewbackie!" but he just'n up and runned off into the woods. I woulda ran after, but I had pigs brains fryin on tha stove and mah beer was gettin warm, so I zipped up and went back in the house.
The End
(someone had to write it)
I think she came from planet claire
Congratulations, you have just made the first 2x optical bay drive. Get it?
p.s. They may be UFO gurus but I don't think they know much about computers. I thought the video would have some UFO footage but after waiting 10 min for the dialup version to download through my University of Texas ultra high bandwidth connection and only seeing a boring old man I gave up. At least their main index page looks creditable.
They're all promotional videos for Sci-Fi. I mean jesus: who the hell says this kind of stuff on a helicopter ride of the NYC skyline: "That's the World Trade Center?" YES YOU DUMBFUCK. Thanks for letting all us Sci-Fi viewers who don't live in NYC know where this video takes place. Also, there's a bug on your hand. AND THEY DONT HAVE SHADOWS. Also they appear out of nowhere on the tablecloth. And the lighting for a crappy filiming-the-family camera is "too good". The electrified fence one is the worst. HOLY SHIT HOW DUMB COULD YOU BE. I guess pretty dumb to think that one was real. Let me tell you, when you get electrocuted, THERE ARE NO FUCKING ARCING SPARKS. Also the fence is grounded SO WHAT THE FUCKING HELL!!!! WHAT KINDA MAGICAL ELECTRICITY IS THAT DUMB SHIT. I SO GODDAMN HATE THE SCIFI CHANNEL. IT IS BAD SCIENCE AND EVEN WORSE FICTION.
Fuck Beta. Fuck Dice
imagine a beowulf cluster of those...
This is the most interesting topic and the funniest conversation this year. How can I download everything, the reply and all? I'm for real. I will show it to my friends in my next space mission. :)
Quick thing. I just want to lay something on the table about these supposed G-Men and people in the ivory towers.
Let me just state that I work with an FFRDC and I have had some contact with the kind of people who you would consider "the key people".
And frankly, they don't give a shit. They like to talk mostly about RADAR and RADAR avoidance. Which governments have access to which kinds of sensors, etc. They get hard-ons talking and speculating about that.
A lot of them are geeks. A lot of them subscribe to us not being alone in the universe. And a lot of them have 5 year reviews neccessary to keep their TS or COMSEC clearences. In that situation, you don't want them finding out you've been associating with Raelians or anyone with anything resembling a political or social motiviation because you like your job and geeky toys. You don't want to lose credibility, funding, or be made fun of by your associates.
So you ignore and just don't encourage any group who makes claims that you are involved with extraterrestial stuff. It makes you too high profile and some guy with the money may not look on you so favorably next fiscal year, especially since you can't deliver and your hair-brained project was probably stillborn.
Even though it's all in a black box, it's still the same ol' bullshit. Quid pro quo, tow the line, make the Joint Chiefs feel safer.
Really.
Fuck Beta. Fuck Dice
Funny that there's nothing on this at the National Space Center web site. Maybe they are just renting a room.....hope there's an open bar......
BTW, the image shown on the UFOMAG site has clearly been altered. Also SOHO is designed to observe the sun. It can't produce images of the kind shown on the MAG site. It looks to me as if someone has photoshoped in a nice little ufo on a real picture of an intergalactic jet.
In short, it's good to have an open mind but don't open it so far that your brains fall out.....
Mork from Ork
The tricky part is that any measurement is destructive. And the only way to 'see' anything is measuring. So, when Bob tries to know if Alice performed or not a measurement, he performs one himself, collapsing the wave function. After he does that, there is no way for him to tell if that value was collapsed by him or Alice, therefore, no information is transmited faster than light. This is known as the EPR Paradox, Eistein thought of this as an experiment to 'disproof' quantum mechanics, but it was learned that no information was transfered after all, so the c limit is still true.
"There is no teacher but the enemy."-Mazer Rackham
"News for Nerds. Stuff that matters."
This matters not because it's fake crap. This is the kind of journalism I expect from http://www.cosmiverse.com/ with its crazy-talk, but not Slashdot. *shrug*
-Christopher Wu
http://www.christopherwu.net/
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:))
That "UFO Mag" is in entertainment folder.
Need more explanation?
I saw one of these a year & 1/2 ago using Solscape, which downloads from NASA's SOHO site. I figured it was a weird lense error, or capture error.
What kind of consortium?
This sounds like total piffle to me.
Where's the vulcan females I can teach how to love? I AM NOT AMUSED! :
If a train station is a place where a train stops, what's a workstation?
This is not something you want to read when listening to 'war of the worlds'!
"It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful." - Anton LaVey
And frankly, they don't give a shit. They like to talk mostly about RADAR and RADAR avoidance. Which governments have access to which kinds of sensors, etc. They get hard-ons talking and speculating about that.
I don't doubt you in the slightest!
The thing which should be kept in mind, however, is that you are talking about the state of affairs today. It has taken sixty years of hard work to get the Status Quo to look the way it does. Sixty years ago the story read very differently. The key figures I was talking about were the ones making policy back in the forties and fifties, where all the balls started rolling and the dominoes started falling which gave us the picture we have today.
Further, the 'key' people today are no longer in control of the same things that they were fifty years ago, and while I am sure you may have association with some powerful people, I think it is unlikely, (I certainly hope), that you know anybody who has a direct hand in Shadow Government works, or if you do, that they have discussed with you anything of significance. --You certainly wouldn't be in a position to discuss the subject in a public forum such as this one were you truly connected. It's a good way to get yourself and others hurt.
A small statistic. .
In 1969, the NSA had a 2 billion dollar budget. That's 2 billion late-60's dollars. And that's just the cash we know about. It is no secret that illegal activities have provided other sources of income for similar agencies. The CIA is infamous for its drug running activities. Nobody knows exactly what the secret organizations were doing with all of their resources. And that's just the NSA and CIA, over neither of which the President at the time had any real control. (Or, depending on the president, any actual desire to tackle those powers in the public's best interest.)
The public version of Government does its own thing, behaving in a stage front manner, while the behind-the-scenes agencies remain in charge of the real game, and have done since the hats were handed out fifty years ago. The whole Bush 'election' was an example of one of those times when the stage-direction got a little shakey.
-Fantastic Lad
What are those flying saucer-shaped objects in the LASCO images?
The "funny-looking spheroid" is a typical response of the SOHO LASCO coronagraph CCD detector to an object (planet or bright star) of small angular extent but so bright that it saturates the CCD camera so that "bleeding" occurs along pixel rows. There is a bright horizontal streak on either side of the image, because the charge leaks easier along the direction in which the CCD image is read out by the associated electronics.
CCD stands for charge-coupled detector, and refers to a silicon chip, usually a centimeter or two across, divided into a grid of cells, each of which acts like a small photomultiplier in that an incoming photon knocks loose one or more electrons. The electrons are "read out" by row (fast direction) and column (slow direction), the current converted to a digital signal, and each cell or picture element ("pixel") thus assigned a digital value proportional to the the number of incoming photons in that pixel (the brightness of the part of the image falling on that pixel). This is the same kind of detector as is used in a hand-held video camera, though until recently, the analog-to-digital conversion was left out in consumer devices.
If you point a video camera at a very bright source (say, the Sun), the image "blooms" or brightens all over --- there are so many electrons produced in the pixels corresponding to the bright source that they spill over into adjacent rows and column, perhaps over the entire detector. Better CCD's will "bleed" only along the fast readout direction (a single row), and perhaps a few adjacent rows.
The LASCO and EIT CCD cameras include "anti-bleed" electronics which limit the pixel bleeding around bright sources to less than the full row (and usually no adjacent rows). In the case of a marginally too-bright object, the pixel bleeding will be only a few pixels in either direction along the fast readout direction. Thus, the "flying saucer" images.
A few of the LASCO images that have appeared on the "extraterrestrial" Web sites show much larger and brighter, but still saucer-like features. These images are in fact obtained with the instrument door closed, but with an incorrectly long exposure. The big "saucers" result from massive pixel bleeding along every row of the detector containing part of the image of the "opal," or small diffusing lens, in the instrument door, that is used for obtaining calibration data.
If your correspondents still prefer to believe that the pixel-bled images of planets or bright stars are something else, ask them why the extended part of the "saucers" (i.e., the pixel bleeding) always occurs in the same direction relative to the image --- even when the spacecraft is rolled relative to its normal orientation relative to the Sun.
What is that weird object flying above that top-secret military base in the middle of the desert?!? It must be from outer-space, it couldn't possibly be man made! Jackass.
Looks like CCD blooming to me. CCD's leak electrons into neighbouring pixels when a pixel becomes over exposed. My own CCD astronomy pictures of over exposed stars do not look unlike the picture that was taken with the SOHO CCD sensor.
They have much better SPAM filters on. To them, we're just SPAM.
...tizzyd
i KNEW that was a UFO i saw! i KNEW it!
fact: microsoft > linux
7x14 this isn't a game, this is the real number of pixels!!!!!! can you look for anything in 7x14 image????. The image is an optical efect, produced by interpolation, no for aliens ;)
when he speaks about an economy recovery and how people pay 30-40% taxes. (when together with state/local/fed/fees+excise) people pay 40-60%, worse than midlevil times.
US govt keeps secrets on lots of stuff, like K-129 etc...
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
use 2 CCDs to work out the errors, ie. either average it out or ignore massive differences.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Wow - those are some really nice shots. When they do their little photoshop magic trick to expose the inner details, I get all goosebumpy. Not because the flying saucer at the heart of each blurry litttle blob is suddenly revealed, but because each and every single one of those space-bound flying discs is exacly edge-on towards the camera. Not a single 3/4 or slightly off-center shot to be had in the whole batch, it seems. I'm in absolute awe of their ability to get all those random, and distant spaceships to pose so perfectly for them, in dushc ridgid profile. Absolutely astounding!
..to see what's being said about them on /.
...and he grinned, like a fox eating shit out of a wire brush.
No, actually something along the lines of a control system, as Jacques Vallee theorizes. Whether this has a physical component is still in question, but the continual ridicule of morons like you is not in the best interests of science nor mental health in general. What always amazes me is the folks who so easily laugh at UFOs are strangely silent when some lunatic in a black robe starts telling people they're going to live in the sky when they die. I guess it's just another case of the old magic trick, the incredible disappearing balls.
Hic iacet Arthurus, rex quondam rexque futurus.
Right, so we have a question deemed "Insightful" (really), and to which tere is an answer starting "I think..." labeled "Informative", scoring 5, no less. Really.
Anyone else thinks this is weird? Or just the result of mind rays?
For the real reason why not actually go to the SETIathome web page and actually read the stuff? Two hints: the telescope looks in a specific direction, not at all object in space simultaneously. Secondly the feed used by SETIathome has a limited frequency span so you only see what is emitted in this region of teh spectrum.
Funny thing is, this is unlikely to score more the 1 if anything at all.
I thought the National Space Centre was better than that, but they are a buisness and they make money hiring out conference facilities. I tried to persuade my firm (I live and work in Leicester, UK) to do our IT Xmas bash there and we are a car rental company! Does that mean we've discovered UFO's? I'll deny we have proof so we must be hiding something...
I have a cunning plan...
So who would you really have to root for? The hideous, ugly, soulless, human eating scum?
Or the aliens?
--- I wish I could hear the soundtrack to my life. That way I'd know when to duck.
All of the "saucers" were seen from the side and nearly everything was symmetrical and about the X and or Y axis.
If these things were just zipping about we'd see them from all sorts of angles?
Surely this implies some artifact of the CCD properties or post processing?
And, unless these things are all the size of pluto, they'd almost be invisible to the camera or only a pixel big anyway.
For a minor solar system in a 'backwater' section of the milkyway, we are quite the tourist trap! The alien spaceships are just all over the place! There must be an interstellar Danny's on the other side of the sun.
It is a bit funny that all of the ship images that they show are in the solar plane and edge on. I always thought it was pretty funny that even though StarTrek and most of the rest of the space shows and films were about ships in outer space, all of the directors and producers seem to forget that objects move in three dimensions. Whenever ships in space approach each other, they always seem to come at each other in the same flat plane and usually head-on. Never from above or below or any other attack angels. I know that they may do some of that to simplify the production or to not loose the audience but it is amusing that the 'alien' ships in these photographs were kind enough to do the same thing!
I have to use this cause I can't afford a real sig...
It is like professional wrestling - people love to hate the bad guy, and around here the editors are the bad guys. They post crap like this story, knowing full well that the readership will debug it to death. The headline draws people in, and gets the real scoop from the comments. I know that is what happens to me. I usually read the first few highest rated comments, and then check out the linked article. In the example of this story, I knew it was probably a hoax article, but read the first few comments before clicking on the link because I knew the /. crowd wouldn't let a bad story slip by. I am betting the editors know this as well. There seems to be much more of this type of thing happening in the last few weeks.
This is exactly what is happening, whether it is intentional or not. After all, the ads are on the comments page, not on the front pages. That is what they want you to read.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
Perhaps Timothy would enjoy reviewing the links that he posts, prior to posting them. Then! Perhaps, he would find that he's just posting just another advertisement.
The video is and old gent clicking through a powerpoint presentation showing really poor (and edited) "evidence".
I think fundamentally that some people have to believe in a higher power, and attribute all "unknown" phenomena to that power. Religious freaks do it all the time, and UFO people are doing the same thing. There has been, to date, no affirmative evidence for the presence of intelligent life having visited our solar system, but that doesn't dampen their spirits a bit.
-Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat
Folks seem to be looking for reasons to hide
.4%
behind a comfortable fig leaf of 'skepticism'.
Most of these posts on this are totally nonsense
or parroted cliches.
Obviousely the UFO Mag folks would want to have
an inside track on their favorite hobby. Hence
their rush to publish. Fear of censorship or
security concerns might also drive a rush to
publish. The conclusion is either true or not
true. If true, then we will see these folks
again.
Personally, I find signifigant that in the text
is a story of a US coverup attempt that failed.
No one seems to have even noticed this in the
post fest of jeering scorn heaped on this poster.
Why would our government have any interest in
protecting these people from outside our world
or any information about their alleged existance?
Now we have a space race on our hands with the
Chinese intent on national ambitions for possession of Martian land, resources, or both.
We will announce later this month a Project Prometheus aiming at a not-later-than date of
2010 for a new propulsion design powered ship
of ours to visit Mars. You may search Google
yourselves to see just what we are up to there.
And just why are so many of our probes to Mars
failing mysteriousely? And Russia's as well?
Maybe that will be so funny most of these idiot
posters will finally fall off of their barstools.
With probable blood alcohol counts of over
it is a wonder it did not happen sooner.
Guaranteed that some people in this world will
be concerned. This idea has the power to permanently alter our views of things like.......
religion!
For years, the word "homo" as an adjective usually meant "homogenized milk" in Canada. That meaning is slowly falling out of favour, but you can still go to the grocery store and see rows upon rows of 1- and 2-litre cartons in the cooler, all printed with the word "HOMO" in large block letters.
-- clvrmnky
Another interesting psychological phenomena that might apply to these UFO types was conducted by Solomon Asch. He brought together around a dozen people and gave each one a piece of paper with three different sized lines, then asked each person which line was longest. Out of the dozen people, though, there was only one experiment subject and all the rest were confederates, who would unanimously say a wrong answer. Then the experiment subject would usually repeat a wrong answer. If enough UFO types get together and repeat the same thing, the new guy starts to believe it and repeats the party line even if he isn't sure if it is right.
Hey, sounds like politics. Or slashdot. Or religion. If you have a basic knowledge of psychology, you probably post a large number of interesting comments relating psychological theories to behavior commonly derided on slashdot, like using Windows, etc.
You're right on this when you say UFO's are simply that: unidentified flying objects. It will be interesting to see what this Euro-SETI organization actually does announce. It's not safe to simply jump the gun because the site, although detailed in its summary of alleged upcoming events, is not too strong in its characterization of it and may even be misleading. There is obviously the motive of "We need to find the aliens" on the site... with no sort of objectivity to it at all.
What you are saying is that the military is flying craft shaped like equilateral triangles, at treetop height, over Belgium, and that these craft are able to fly in complete silence, both while hovering and out flying jets.
Are you SURE this is what you mean, because this is the imnplication of your statement.
I couldn't agree more. Slashdot's really taking a dive when it comes to quality. I mean I am used to spelling mistakes and whatnot, and I could even see a decent UFO story here, but this kind of obvious nonsense and drivel? Maybe this is part of /.'s campaign to sell advertisement, but seriously, it's making me want to go away and pretend to never have been here. :-\
Firstly, in the case of quantum entanglement, the speed of the quantum entanglement effect (the supposed information transfer) is not limited by the speed at which the particles separate from each other, the issue is that if the particles are half a galazy apart, the state of the particles may be unknown but as soon as you (party A) know the state of your particle, the other party (party B) knows the state of theirs, giving effectively infinite speed of information.
Your second error is in thinking that this means that information has been passed between party A and party B. It hasn't. And as it turns out, it hasn't passed between the particles either.
Imagine that your aunt sends a persent to you and your sister. You know that she always sends you both the same gift. You open the gift at the same time so you know instantaneously what your sister has received. But the important thing is that no information has passed between you and your sister.
The apparent paradox with quantum entanglement as I understand it is that the particles have no way to carry this commonality that they share with them unlike the parcel your aunt sent you which actually contains the gift. This seems very perplexing indeed but then, so do many things related to the quantum world. But when you do the maths, it tends to turn out OK.
This is the current mainstream scientific understanding as I know it. If you cannot reconcile it then I would suggest that you maybe need to do some more reading (if you are so inclined), these can be quite hard concepts to grasp. If you refuse to reconcile it then you're either haev extremely advanced cutting-edge physical theorie or you are a crackpot.
Rich
Rich
I thought this was an interesting piece of original work. It would be especially interesting to see how the stuff the Europeans are coming up with correlates with reports from various UFO type agencies.
Man, I got into such an argument with my wife about that movie. Almost nothing the aliens did made any kind of sense, and the rank stupidity of trying to take a planet with is hopelessly deadly to you is so glaringly obvious I don't know how anyone could take that remotely seriously.
I suppose all the people who were living where it rained had a nice, quiet Invasion Day. Or maybe, just possibly, the aliens in rainy areas wore some kind of hazard suit.
Maybe it's my fault, but is it too much to ask for them to make a movie with even a minimal effort to help the audience suspend disbelief?
Better yet, ask "Why did the aliens invade our planet NAKED?"
What was it NAKED invasion day?
Sheesh, these types of stupid plots are reason I decided long ago to boycott all Mel Gibson movies. I certainly don't want to be in an audience of OBVIOUS MORONS.
"Face it, a nation that maintains a 72% approval rating on George W. Bush is a nation with a very loose grip on reality.
"I'm sorry, but your spaceship is operating outside of your home galaxy. Please contact sales for a service upgrade."
-Hope
Or was it a beautifully planned DoS attack using a bunch of unwitting /.ers? If ever there was a website deserving a DoS, this was it.
"I'm so moist I'm sticking to the leather." -Kermit the Frog on The Late Late Show
"FOAD, thank you for playing."
That's the ideal of Science, as religions have ideals that if followed would lead to peace on Earth and good will toward men, blah blah blah. I am talking practical reality here, where "scientists" cook the data to fit their preconceived notions, and sightings of UFOs by major telescopes are chucked in the trash can. Give me a break here, fellow. I am not an 12-year-old who believes what his science teacher tells him about the wonderful objective and incorruptible scientists.
As for crumbling, no, Science does not crumble because it has a real penchant for turning the folks they vilified into genuine Heros of Science when they turn out to be right. This has nothing to do with objectivity. It has to do with major league ass-covering by the protectors of the Scientific paradigm.
Hic iacet Arthurus, rex quondam rexque futurus.
Putting Your Money Where Your Mouth Is!
If you can do that, then I'll apologize in grand style for making assumptions, and perhaps I'll learn something from you in the process. We'll see.
(I notice you've managed to stop swearing and making dismissive cracks about Santa Claus, so perhaps there is some hope. But like I said; we'll see.)
Let's begin, shall we?
You say it's all, 'bullshit'. I'd be very interested to hear some of the case examples from your readings and your thoughts at to why you are certain they were 'bullshit'. Let's start with a couple of the better known cases, and let's stay within the bounds of military sightings during the period of Blue Book. I'll let you pick.
And don't worry about looking silly. This thread is dead, old, and it's been modded into the ground (as per usual when I touch on subjects like this). It's just you and me.
-Fantastic Lad
Please see subject you AC cumdumpster.
I hate liberals. If you are a liberal, do not reply.
Now what the heck am I supposed to do with that?
Look. I'm still trying to work out whether or not you're full of shit, and you're really not helping me out.
I'm still out on that limb. --I'm not saying that I wouldn't come back in, or that I wouldn't even apologize for making quick assumptions. But assumptions are all I have to work with at the moment. I'd be happy to have something more solid!
Why do I care? Because my primary argument and point is that people who have done no proper reading or research beyond watching television, have no responsible basis upon which to declare anything regarding UFOs, let alone declare that the whole subject is bunk. (Or by the same token, that they are real!)
I think that's a pretty solid place for me to stand.
But then you come along and pitch in with your two cents, beginning with the charming, "Oh, fuck, not another one", --that you have an extensive research background, based on which you know more than enough to judge the whole issue of UFOs to be nonsense and that people should "Get over it" (and that Santa isn't real either). Flip, cocky and mean.
And all I'm asking is that you back some of it up.
If you really have that much knowledge, and if that knowledge has led you to conclude that the whole issue is bunk, then I absolutely want to know how you got there and what information you were working with. --Because, believe it or not, I am by no means closed minded; as a rule, I let everything in, form theories based on it, and then subject my ideas to rigorous testing, and then form new theories as the bad information burns away. --Which, incidentally, is exactly what I am doing now. The internet is an amazing place to test ideas; you have access to thousands of people with massively varied areas of knowledge, and who are willing to correct me when I air crap. It's wonderful! I am first and foremost in the pursuit of knowledge, and the crucible of the internet has been a great tool in this quest.
See, I came from a background where such things as UFOs were simply beneath consideration, and what consideration one gave them always proceeded from a subconscious prerogotive to 'debunk'. Then one day I realized to my horror that I had been basing this behavior entirely on dogma and programming. So I decided to start actually honestly looking at and testing some of the material I had been deriding. Much is crap. But some, I discovered, is not. From there, things got interesting.
The problem is that I only very rarely meet people in the disbeliever camp who aren't also riddled with fears, dogma, preconceptions, denial, blind faith in what we were taught as kids, and outright, 'Fuck You,' hostility toward anybody who would suggest anything outside those narrow parameters. Now, if you happen to be among those few who is clear of all that stuff and who actually has something worth sharing, then I would be VERY happy to learn from you.
But I've got to say that you haven't impressed me at all so far. Indeed, you haven't offered anything other than some nasty barbs and what, essentially, could be boiled down to, "I'm right, you're an idiot, and I don't have to prove it."
So give me something, or stop wasting my time.
-Fantastic Lad
Let's say Alice want's to transmit a 1. Alice reads the quantum entangled particle, and gets a 0. Bob measures it, and gets 0. There is no way for Alice to tell Bob that that value is wrong (if there was, they could just use that as the information channel instead). Alice measures again, to see if she gets the 1 she is looking for, and get's another 0. Bob notes in his side another 0. Finally, Alice gets a 1, Bob on his side by now has 001, and has No idea about which bit is te correct one. Was Alice trying to send a 0? a 1? Bob never knows. So, no matter what, information can not violate the causality principle implied by relativity.
"There is no teacher but the enemy."-Mazer Rackham
Even more, lets say in the tick Alice gets a 0. She needs to measure again, another entangled particle (the original one is now useless because its wave function has been collapsed, so they are not entangled anymore). So, Alice uses another particle, and gets a 1 this time. and that's the end of Alice's tick. So Bob, has a bunch of particles on his side. He doesn't even know how many particles Alice measured. Also remember that whenever he measures something, he gets a random value. So, on Bob's side he sees a 0. Was this the value Alice wanted or not? there is no way for him to tell, so he measures the next value, a 1. Was this the real information? Or was this a random value? Bob never knows!
"There is no teacher but the enemy."-Mazer Rackham
In any case. .
Faith IS a major factor here. You are quite correct. Unless you have bourn witness to something, then realistically, (and even then), there is always, always doubt. --I happen to know several witnesses myself, who describe spectacular events, one of which seen by twenty or more people; an enormous light stopping, hovering, lighting a whole valley and then shooting away with laser beam speed. Another sighting involved a big black tea-pot shaped object rising from the horizon, moving and hovering over the house, and then flashing away. But as you say. . . Faith. I wasn't there, and trusted friends or not, witness accounts are just that.
Which is why I tend to prefer military and commercial air traffic accounts where multiple radar systems record the same event and where military or commercial pilots are the witnesses. The very best accounts are those which also include confirmation from ground witnesses, and where the official investigating bodies take the matters very seriously. --In the U.S., there are laws in effect, (or which at least were in effect during the sixties and seventies; I don't know what their status is today), which threatened any member of the military with heavy fines and jail sentences for speaking publicly about UFO sightings. That in itself, I find intriguing.
Now, perhaps such accounts are all based on lies; perhaps the authors in question are liars and fools. This is indeed possible. But some of these figures would not otherwise be regarded as dimwits. Retired Major Donald Keyhoe, using his influence and inside connections, wrote extensively regarding UFOs. Another, Captain Edward Ruppelt, who headed Blue Book during the fifties, wrote a book regarding his experiences. --A book, as you may know, which under suspected military pressure, he later re-published with a heavily revised conclusion which debunked his earlier position, and then died less than a year after having done so. James McDonnald, a highly regarded atmospheric physicist involved with the US government, was another such figure who was quickly convinced by the data he was exposed to, and moreover outraged by the many blatant cover-up attempts he observed. (He was another, incidentally, who died under questionable circumstances after a time when it was quite clear that he would become an increasing pain to the status quo.)
Aside from the many multiple radar, pilot sightings, the apparently massive chasm between public and internal government policy and behavior regarding UFOs and the endlessly stupid logical inconsistencies in the Blue Book explanations, (Hundreds upon hundreds of sightings, some of the utterly spectacular Spielberg variety, which Blue Book claimed to be Venus or Saturn or birds, etc. Blue Book appears clearly to have been purely a P.R. body under the primary order to absolutely explain everything away at all cost, regardless of what a sighting might really have been of.) This kind of behavior of the official bodies raises its own questions. --Clear cases of reliable witnesses, airline pilots and such, dramatically reversing their stories; Jobs and wives being more important than speaking out. --This kind of thing I find simply too much to ignore.
But as you say, faith is required.
Now, you describe your experiences and reading as having led you to conclude that there is nothing of interest in our skies. Fair enough. Indeed! Fair enough. Faith is what it is, and everybody must make their own choices. However, given the kind of material I have been reading and the kinds of witnesses I have spoken with, I have more difficulty in persuading myself that there is nothing going on. As such, my faith has its definite leaning at the moment. Now, perhaps you know something about these writers and this kind of information which would alter my faith. If you do, as I have said, I would be very, very pleased to hear it.
Anyway, thanks again for speaking reasonably!
-Fantastic Lad
In different words, they are using bad science to argue against bad science. And while UFOs are at least a theoretical possibility, this use of statistics is just plain wrong.
The problem is that Dan Rather is never going to interview an alien. Won't happen.
Now it is true that my belief structure is unconventional, to say the least. In order for it to exist and function, there are certain premises which had to be built first. There are two basic rules of conduct in my head. .
I have spent a great deal of time studying the hows and wherefores of those two simple points. I've even run my own adverts and measured the responses. I have learned that it is frighteningly easy to manipulate thought. In any case, as a result of this, I have come to a position in life where I not only don't trust most forms of the media, (and can easily see the manipulations in progress), but have concluded that a vast quantity of very deep, very effective behavior modification has already been achieved quite some time ago.
For instance. .
The position you describe where have not yet seen proof, where you would like to believe in things existing beyond the 'normal' sphere, and the locked state you are currently in, is not at all uncommon. In fact, I tend to think that it is a psychological position which a huge number of people have been successfully led into without their realizing.
Let's examine the following. .
"Guilty until proven innocent."
"The Burden of proof."
"Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence."
We have heard these sayings so many, many times that they have become, both consciously and perhaps more importantly, subconsciously, defacto law. But let's examine them a little more closely. .
"The Burden of proof." --Burden? Who's burden? Why, obviously, as we have been shown, the burden is placed squarely upon the people making the claim. The Jury, we have been told, must be unbiased and skeptical of all claims, and must only be moved to a conclusion when enough solid, cross examined evidence has been presented to them. --Indeed, the sequestered Jury sits in a Jury Box and does not move; they are not allowed to accept any information from the outside world which might influence their decision. And so the Jury sits and watches the performance being played out in front of them, and on that and that alone, ("the Jury is instructed"), to make their final conclusion as to what they will believe.
The Jury sits and watches. The Jury does no work on its own. It is not allowed.
And therein lies the problem. If we, as our subconscious automatically does, extend the court room metaphor to the real world of claims and evidence, we can see that society behaves in exactly the same manner as we have seen in countless television legal dramas. We expect the people making the claim to dance before us in the various arenas, and we believe that we are not active participants. That we are sitting in a box, watching the show.
The problem is that the court room we spend most of our attention on; television and news papers primarily are all under the thumbs of people who, I firmly believe, do not have our best interest at heart.
Dan Rather is NEVER going to interview an alien. It just won't happen. --In the history of UFOs and supernatural phenomenon, there have been several documented instances where key investigators were invited to appear on popular expose television programs of the "Unexplained Mysteries" variety with which we are all familiar. --Behind the scenes, fights ensued, scripts were written and re-written, producers cut footage and broke promises to guests as to what material and demonstrations would be allowed to air. And in one notable instance, when a guest in great frustration, deviated from the script, his microphone was cut and his lips moved without sound for about two minutes, after which the camera was cut off altogether. In short, the Trial is Fixed, and the prosecution (a negative word, btw), is never allowed to bring their case to court, or those allowed are only the ones who will make a poor presentation which supports the status quo.
This stuff really does happen, but then people forget it happens. People have short lives, and the very structures we have been taught to depend on to mind our stores of knowledge are owned by the very people who force last minute script changes and who cut the audio. The only way to find information like this is to dig for it yourself. And that's the key. --Because if you stay in your jury box and only look straight ahead at the pre-designated show, you will NEVER NEVER NEVER be deliberately shown a true picture of reality. The people who own the courts have a vested interest in keeping you within very narrow parameters.
And that is the grand manipulation. (Well, one piece of it, at any rate.) Proof is not actually that far away. But seekers cannot be passive. The Burden of Proof is NOT on the person who brings an idea to forum.
And let's think about that.
What is the purpose of data? --To increase knowledge. Indeed, the increasing of knowledge and awareness is the only true prize in these matters. Knowledge is the treasure! And the people making the unusual claims, while they may not always be right, are the ones who are growing and groping towards knowledge. And some of them are actually quite far along the path. So how are they burdened? How is struggling to increase one's awareness in any way a bad thing? (Of course, it can be a difficult thing, but only in the context that it can make life hard to live when you realize that you are within an ignorant system and must perform tasks which seem insane and unnatural to nobody but yourself who is alone aware. But that's not what I'm talking about here.) What I am saying is that people seeking knowledge are actually relieving themselves of burden! They are making themselves lighter and more aware.
The Jury has been taught to protect and value its ignorance; to value its static state. --To think of knowledge as something which should be, at best, unassisted in its collection, and at worst, actively resisted!
I like to sum it up in this manner:
"Your level of awareness is YOUR problem. There is NO value in maintaining your own ignorance. Any hints or bits of information which others offer to help you in your own quest for knowledge are in every way, gifts which you do not automatically deserve."
But this is certainly not the message we are sent as a populace!
Now I have seen my own wonders. I have made the effort; I have traveled and I have found very powerful people in a number of different fields, from politics to spirituality. I won't bother telling my stories, 'witness testimony' being what it is; of whole value to nobody but the witness.
For your benefit, though, I will say that the wonders are much closer to hand than you might realize, but it is up to you to seek them out.
And it snowballs. When you discover one thing, then other bits of information become easier to evaluate. Knowledge grows geometrically.
Remember; study everything. You mentioned speaking in tongues. From what I have learned, it is indeed a nothing phenomenon with little or no value or meaning. You mentioned religious miracles; weeping statues of Mary and such. Again, from what all I have learned, most things associated with large religions are simply more manipulations; more ways to limit thinking; to encourage blind belief rather than critical thought and growth. --A general rule of thumb: "If a system of thinking affects a large number of people, then you can bet it was almost certainly been targeted long ago and turned into a vector of behavioral control." Religion is just such a thing.
The truth lies in the cracks of the stage production version of reality which has been sold to us since birth. But those cracks can be pulled open by those who wise up to the fact that they have been duped and controlled thus far. And when they do, they will find to their amazement that the entire Universe lies beyond. .
-Fantastic Lad
Hey Fantastic Lad,
I left a post for you over at K5 - and thought I'd hit you up here as well...
I would like to see what other links and info you can provide - for a more coherant line of thought than just the perusal of your comments on K5 and Slashdot.
I would likte to speak with you directly (email) also at some point - rather than in an open forum such as this...
If interested in helping me in my search for understanding, please reply.
thanks
Vade Mecum....