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11223 writes: "MacJunkie has HTML coverage of the keynote." Cease and desist notes are being passed out like party favors ;) Actually they've officially announced the wacked out touchy mouse. The Cube is for real too: read more at
Apple's Site
Actually, he provided "real" numbers (well, as real as a G4 v. X86 comparison can get when it is sponsored by Apple) which the original article didn't.
~luge
IAAL,BIANLY
Just finished looking at "The Cube" and love the way they designed how to remove the innards of the machine from the case. After many years of working on steel-cased machines (everything from PCs to mainframes to Unix Boxes) and cutting up my hands in the process, Apple has finnaly made a design that I'd love to get my hands on. Easy to remove from the case, doesn't appear to have many sharp edges. Would love to know if the component chassis is metal or plastic.
:)
Would especially love to see a rackmount unit made that can hold, say, two of the chassis modules per rack. That would be about 16 per standard size 19" rack. Easy insert and extract for repairs. Hmmmm...... LinuxPPC on each unit running SETI@Home
Well, I can dream, can't I?
If "disco" means "I learn" in Latin, does "discothèque" mean "I learn technology"?
he said you cant buy a faster *desktop*, e.g. non-workstation... how much does a comparable alpha or a sparc cost?? http://www.compaqworks.com/cwstore/templates/produ cts/Alpha_server_info.asp http://store.sun.com/catalog/doc/BrowsePage.jhtml? cid=48649 thought so..
Yeah... how do you play Quake with this thing? ;-)
The Divine Creatrix in a Mortal Shell that stays Crunchy in Milk
The House Between - Original Sci-Fi Series
When i'm on my iMac, browsing my Slashdot, downloading my genome, and ICQing my pals, my whole system boggs down and i can't do a thing until the web page has completely loaded. Is this 'cause i dont have this "pre-emptive multitasking?"
No matter how many programs are running, what im downloading, or who im chatting with, its annoying that i can't mess with other programs when one of them is busy.
this will be like how the audience named the smoking character "cancer man" before he was ever named on the X-Files.
"you get hit and your head goes ping" --rocky horror picture show
and for the G3 I estimated it would take much longer
Now that's a scientific experiment you did! You ran it on a PIII, but guessed on the G3. What genius.
Hmm... sort of like the NeXT monitor, that had power, video, sound, etc. all over the same cable.
Don't make it sound like it's innovative. Apple's just taking all the NeXT stuff and putting it in translucent smurf-puke blue containers. :-)
-- Erich
Slashdot reader since 1997
They don't run MacOS for their servers. They run Solaris.
See Netcraft if you don't believe me.
Just a quibble....BeOS really isn't a *nix...all new code. It uses the bash shell for its terminal, and is nominaly POSIX complient...with lots of unix tools ported over....but it, itself, is not a *nix, nor does it really resemble one in most fundemental ways.
apple.com has pictures, too.
"Honey, I shrunk the supercomputer."
Cute.
later
Dan
Yeah, reminds me a lot of NeXT, except that the NeXT cube looked a lot cooler. For one thing, it was magnesium, which is very strong. For another, it was black. For yet another reason, it was bigger--1'^3. And it wasn't a sham cube--the box itself was cubical, not a cube encased in a plastic box.
Funny how things seem to be coming full circle at Apple. I wonder what Steve's hidden agenda is.
www.apple.com is running Apache/1.3.9 (Mac OS X Server) on MacOSX
I think you mean Logitech, not Microsoft
I had thought this was a Microsoft invention, I haven't been able to find any evidence pointing to the scroll-wheel as a Logitech invention. It would figure though, and keep up Microsoft's perfect batting average for innovation. This whole "only do what has already been proven to work" business plan seems to work pretty well.
I still believe that the mouse wheel was invented by either Habitrail or Fred Flintstone.
We need to make sure we can attribute the optical mouse to someone besides MS, I remember those crappy ones from 7-8 years ago with the funky aluminum gridded mouse "pads", but we have to make sure MS doesn't get any credit for the intellimouse.
Please make note of the weary sarcasm.
The last time Joe Overclocker fried one.
The CPUs don't know what speed they've been run at.
If you fry your CPU overclocking (Which I've never seen, only heard of, and I've been overclocking for quite a while now) you can just take it back and tell them it failed suddenly.
Incidentally, the iMac (At least Rev.A) didn't have jumpers, but you could desolder the resistors pulling the lines on the PLL up/down and solder in new ones to overclock. Kind of amusing.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Blue?
And, as usual, Apple's stock price remains in its own alternate universe. Earnings beat expectations, a bunch of exciting new products, OS X on schedule, no bad news...
..and the stock is down 3 1/4 to $54!
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
Apple's threat is based on improper usage of the Apple Trademark, not fake pictures.
Same goes for Linux - if your app isn't threaded... expect your other processer to have nothing to do with it. That's why I use BeOS with my dual machine...
Problem is that objectivity and technical know-how seem to be pretty hard to come by.
e m-to-be-an-example-of-their-innovation new mice either, right?
In other words you have Mac magazines that tell part of the story (running a very limited set of Photoshop filters as benchmarks) but basically know how to setup the Mac so it performs well (and since there are few tweaks to be done on 9x/NT/2K the PC should be setup like 99% of the systems out there). So a limited but fair comparison is done, though a more complete comparison is justified.
And on the other hand you have PC magazines who know how to tweak the PC for performance, but don't know jack about the Mac (ie simply assigning more memory to Photoshop increases performance by about 200% on many filters). As a result those results can't be trusted, nor is it acceptable to think that the average Mac user doesn't know how to assign more memory to his applications.
As for a mouse? So, uh, what are you using to click on buttons anyway? I assume you didn't get excited about Microsoft's HP-technology-licensed-to-MS-and-proclaimed-by-th
Moof!
From Apple's Developer Technote:
Four DIMM slots for 168-pin PC100 DIMMs (dual inline memory modules) using SDRAM (synchronous dynamic access memory) or ESDRAM (enhanced SDRAM) devices.
This means that the G4 is compatible w/ PC125/PC133 RAM.
For more info see the pdf.
Fsck this hard drive! Although it probably won't work...
foo = bar/*myPtr;
Check out Project Upper/Mute, an all-around awesome compiler fra
Apple has released a new, buttonless, optical mouse. A new keyboard also. Full sized keyboard! Multiproc systems (2 G4s, 7 Gigaflops). PowerMac G4s are going to have 2 procs. Gigabit Ethernet on the motherboard. Halo will come out on Mac, as will many other Microsoft games (AOE2, etc.) 4 new iMacs. iMovie 2. I love MacWorld --It's more than a link. It's a way of life.
Yes, sorta. Apple's PowerMac G4 Technote has info on the keyboard. Volume up/down/mute and Eject are located above clear,=,/, and * on the numeric keypad, so you can actually use ResEdit to give them whatever useful symbols you want. .
On the PowerBook, where those functions areon the function keys, you must hold down a key marked "Fn" to get the special feature (or use the Keyboard control panel to set it to behave as a function key w/ Fn). Apple wouldn't take away something like that completely:v)
Fsck this hard drive! Although it probably won't work...
foo = bar/*myPtr;
Check out Project Upper/Mute, an all-around awesome compiler fra
Multiple G4 for the same price as previous single G4. And with the clock settings as dip switches, it's an overclockers dream!
Cool new mouse. Yeah, is weird. But it sure beats the hockey puck!
New keyboard. Finally!
OSx public beta in September!
This MacWorld is about as momentous as the iMac introduction. Apple is moving in the right direction. Yes, the new mouse is going to be ridiculed by alot of people. So was the iMac. And that little colored piece of plastic brought Apple back from the grave. And now 350mhz iMacs for $799! Faster and better than a piece of crap eMachine!
I'm drooling over one of the new (G4/500)^2 machines for the price of a single G4.
It's a good time to be a Mac user!
No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. - Cmdr. Susan Ivanova
Or has Jobs taken the rejected NeXT cube and NEXTSTEP of yesteryear and reincarnated it under the brand name Apple. It looks like NeXT, it smells like NeXT (Mach, Dock, cube....), but they're not calling it NeXT. The system he said would change the world (it will probably be 10 years old when OS X gets released) is now back. Have people gotten smart, or is Jobs the best marketer on the planet?
Yes, NeXT has acquired Apple for the sum of -$400M. Amazing.
I think Jobs thinks ten years down the road but has now matured enough as a corporate visionary to allow people the time necessary to catch up with him before introducing the technology. At NeXT, he had no qualms about putting out a cubic bit of exotica with the best OS in existence (and a Complete Works of Shakespeare in the bargain) for $10K. He's still 10 years out in front, more than likely, he just knows it won't sell next week, even if it *could* be made.
P.
Three new Macs, and none of them are cubes. The new mouse looks nothing like the "photo" that Insider published. OS X beta will be out in September, not this week.
Rumors turning out to be wrong all over the place. This is why they are taking a beating. They ought to change their name to "MacOutsider", because they clearly do not have the inside dish. I can get better information by having lunch with an Apple VAR once or twice a year.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
Well, it is pretty powerful. But calling a workstation a "supercomputer" is just a bit much.
why wouldnt a geek want to be seen with an imac, i bought one just because it's pink, and i consider myself a total geek.
cristiana
Exactly my point. How many Marketing students know the difference between RISC based PPC and CISC based Intel/AMD? (and I've read the ArsTechnica article regarding "post RISC era, hence the word "based)
How many Marketing professionals know the difference?
P.
Then don't read Heinlein, ok?
Grok and grep are such useful, complementary verbs. Don't expect us to omit them from our lexicon.
--Joe--
Program Intellivision!
You are the one who claimed the G4 did it faster than a ghz P3. I do believe that the burden of proof is on you, sir. [. . .] In any case, YOU tell ME how long it takes a ghz P3 to complete the test. That's not my job. My job is to pee on your assertions until you either give up, or produce some numbers to back up your claim.
I'm feeling generous. Here are some relevant SETI@Home benchmarks (courtesy of Mr. Steve Nospam in comp.sys.mac.advocacy):
SETI@home (for x86, non-overclocked and Windows only)
450 MHz PIII: 6:53-8:52
500 MHz PIII: 6:20-7:31
550 MHz PIII: 6:13-6:53
600 MHz PIII: 5:11-7:12
733 MHz PIII: 4:43
450 MHz G4: 5:13
500 MHz G4: 4:27-4:41
500 MHz Athlon: 7:15-7:42
600 MHz Athlon: 6:54-7:37
650 MHz Athlon: 6:24
750 MHz Athlon: 5:54-6:45
800 MHz Athlon: 6:18
(http://www.teamlambchop.com/bench/results.htm)
500 MHz PIII: 8.17
800 MHz PIII: 7.00
933 MHz PIII: 5.95
(http://www.theregister.co.uk/000605-000015.html)
800 MHz Athlon: 7.47= 252&page=9)
900 MHz Athlon: 6.97
1000 MHz Athlon: 6.43
800 MHz Athlon (TBird): 6.1
(http://www.amdzone.com/articleview.cfm?articleid
Regards,
P.
Thank you.
Now, out of curiosity (And I'm feeling a little defensive since my favorite chip (Athlon) has performed so poorly) is there any optimization of Seti@Home for Athlon? Is it mostly integer, or floating point?
I do know that K6 performs int math better than P54c or P55c, but that P3 performs int better than Athlon, or at least, that's the prevailing rumor. According to other rumors, 3dsmax renders something like twice as fast on ghz Athlon as it does on ghz P3.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
But Apple trying to converge with other OS's? That'll be the day. I think that Apple, as a corporation, is probably equally as evil as Microsoft, it's just that they haven't been in a position to do too much evil. Apple's not evil you say?
- Get other vendors to come up with clones, then refuse to license the OS after they finally get up and running.
- Support QuickTime under windows, but do it in such a way as to make the software as annoying as possible. Put your big logo up at the front every time it's launched. Make your own wierd control panel. Add yourself to the desktop. Claim to want to play everything, but not work on half the stuff. And the only reason they do it at all is because if they didn't support windows nobody would use QT at all.
- Don't support QT on anything but Windows
- Ship horrible mice and keyboards with your products, and then go with the line ``you can replace them with something else if you want!'' instead of shipping a reasonable product.
And, perhaps most importantly,- All the FUD and lies they spread. Steve Jobs claiming that you can't buy a faster computer than a mac with the G4 -- besides the fact that you could get an UltraSparc or Alpha, many PII's at the time beat it out in most things. Telling people that MacOS was technologically superior to everything. Telling them that it was compatable and flexible. You can't even change the MTU without third-party software.
Don't get me wrong. MacOS is very easy-to-learn. They put some interesting stuff in their boxes. But I wouldn't trust the company. I especially wouldn't trust the company to converge with anything. I'll be watching Apple try to stay as much in ultra-proprietary-land as they can.-- Erich
Slashdot reader since 1997
but wait! maybe they'll be a command line version for it for OS X!
as for your question of why an 8 year speaker of english speaks better an a native american -- it's becuase we don't rely on it for capitalism and we're all too fat.
"you get hit and your head goes ping" --rocky horror picture show
You mean they're finally catching up with everyone else?
Well, with the exception of the attached dialogs, mostly yes. The new open/save dialogs are really interesting. The pop-up menu has some preset locations like the Desktop and your Favorites folder (which are all contained under your user folder, like in Windows NT) as well as an extension of the old "Most Recently Used Items" features of the Classic OS's Apple Menu.
The multi-lever, New Finder-like mini-browser is new to the Mac, though, and I haven't seen it in any other mainstream OS. Chances are, though, that you still won't be able to rename & delete items like in the Windows dialog because Apple actually hold to the idea of KISS.
Also, attached dialogs are brand new. (Well, except for the fact that early Apple Lisa prototypes had a similar feature.) This means that a modal dialog for an application is firmly attached to that application's window, instead of floating off in it's own world like in Windows or, worse, taking control of input for all apps in older Mac applications.
All of this is done by Windows today and most probably by KDE and GNOME both in the not-so-far future (I'm betting on KDE, as much as I dislike it.)
Wrong. Windows will not let you drag and drop an icon of the harddrive to the desktop to peruse directly like volumes are mounted on the Classic Mac OS. While GNOME does let you have such icons on the desktop, their creation is not that straightforward. (I don't really know KDE, though.)
Also, the controls to switch views are single-click buttons, not menus like in everything else, including the Mac OS, which had iconic and list views before Windows 95 ever came out and long before GNOME and KDE set out to clone it.
The reason I posted all that info was because Mac-heads are all interesting in what shape the new GUI will take. Usability is the primary reason we own Macs, and it's important to us to see how things turn out.
I'm a little disappointed in some things. The Dock is a usability nightmare. Also, the introduction of live dragging and resizing removes one of the better UI cues in the Mac OS by not leaving an indication of how the window looked before you made changes to its size and position. A good UI should always give the user that chance to undo what they've done.
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
One small machine for web, e-mail, DVD, CD, TV, games, and Office apps. When I was in school, my old 8086 PC was huge. Throw in a TV set, stereo, VCR, etc... We barely had room to sleep. (and we liked it that way, dag nabbit! You kids got it too easy!)
The under-rated G3 chip is damn fast, IBM still plans on using them for a lot of their heavy-duty servers. So far, photoshop is one of the few programs that takes full advantage of the G4 anyway, so unless you are doing a lot of graphics work, the iMac has plenty of power.
Linux zealots will of course want to know that the iMac runs their favorite free OS. Go to LinuxPPC.org for more info.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
No expandable entry model? What about ::gasp:: the G4 tower!
Yes, that's right folks, they're still selling the regular tower! If you want one, GET ONE! Some people like cool-looking small packages and have lots of money; let them get what they want.
Mod down posts with a "Free Mac Mini/iPod" sig, they're spam!
What? Did we read the same tediously dull, sexist, Robert A. Heinlein? The one who was incapable of imagining a society other than 50's USA would take root in the future? The one that really makes you apreciate how good Ray Bradbury is? Or are you talking about some other Heinlein
Ayn Rand is a close second
Ah. That explains it. Never mind.
What is the robbing of a bank, compared to the founding of a bank? -- Bertolt Brecht
And you are right about the mouse. I guess I might care about the new technology when I next go to buy a new one. But as long as the new one still rolls and clicks, who cares.
Apple is replacing the two upper line computers in its product with MP powermac g4 machines. Machines with dual g4 processors. The benchmark (a photoshop manipulation) 61 secs, with a single g4 500 at 100 secs. and a pentium 1000mhz @ 120 secs.
Pricing will remain the same, the optical mouse / and keyboard.
-Pfhor
I missed the other part....
The dual-500 G4 only costs $7,498 if you buy it WITH a four-thousand-dollar LCD flatpanel display.
Mod down posts with a "Free Mac Mini/iPod" sig, they're spam!
Er... the Chinese consider 8 a lucky number. 888 triply so :) Maybe they have Chinese designers?
Ok so it's Horribly OT... sorry...
Ender
Nothing to see here
Even the G4-400 w/ 1 processor has Gigabit Ethernet.
Nice.
Mouse looks wierd, though.
--Be human.
I think your .sig is:
You get a hit, and your mind goes ping...
Too lazy to check tho...
"Don't try to confuse the issue with half truths and gorilla dust."
Bill McNeal (Phil Hartman)
No, it's much worse than that.
When I went there (admittedly with IE 5.5 beta - I need a reboot before I'll be running non-beta) I couldn't use my back button.
I wonder if this is an Aieee! bug or something they did accidentally/intentionally.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
*thinks* Buttonless? OK - Get out the hammer to start Photoshop. Doubleclicks are strength tests!. From the what-the-?-is-that-supposed-to-work-dept.
-Stskeeps, http://unrealircd.com
Or has Jobs taken the rejected NeXT cube and NEXTSTEP of yesteryear and reincarnated it under the brand name Apple. It looks like NeXT, it smells like NeXT (Mach, Dock, cube....), but they're not calling it NeXT. The system he said would change the world (it will probably be 10 years old when OS X gets released) is now back. Have people gotten smart, or is Jobs the best marketer on the planet?
Confirmed, it was on the Satelite feed.
Public beta in September? Almost makes me want to go out and buy a Mac just for this...
IBM released a new PC line called "Oranges". Of course they'd only come in one colour (Canadian spelling).
You can laugh without eating a sandwhich, but you can do both if bring one.
Check out Apple's home page and the Apple Store for pics and data on the new hardware.
More importantly though, does anyone have photographic coverage? It'd be nice to see something better than Insiders pilfered 3d mockups.
Would you do it for some scoobie crack?
Not that I know of. Sounds like those were just rumors.
Oh well, I'm on BeOS anyway, so all I have to do is click-and-hold for a right button click. I might just get one...
Mac OS uses a control-click, just about every Web browser lets you do a click-and-hold, and there's a freeware add-on to let you use a click-and-hold in the Finder as well.
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Live Keynote Coverage from MWNY 2000
Ok, Steve is now on stage and introing the keynote. He's thanking the audience and saying that they have a ton of stuff to show. He's speaking that over 4 gigabits a second are going through akamai to quicktime viewers.
Ok, now Steve is talking about the mouse. Making a joke that "some people don't like it." So they are introducing a new mouse that looks shaped like a gel cap,"Making the worst mouse in the industry into the best." It is the highest precision optical mouse available. There is no obvious button on it. The whole continuous surface of the mouse is the button. It is designed to fit left or right hands of any size. Steve is saying they've been developing this for awhile. The new optical mouse will be standard across the whole desktop line. Steve is now showing the new keyboard to go to the new mouse. It has the same layout as the Apple Extended keyboard. It has volume keys and an eject disc button. This will also be standard across the whole desktop line. These upgrades will cost $50 each exclusively at the Apple Store and will ship in September. They are now going to show the TV commercials for the new mouse. The new mouse has Black Dog, the Zepplen song, in the background and shows the mouse zooming around on the typical Apple white set.
Jobs is now showing the product matrix and is starting with the PowerMac G4. He's spouting the usual spiel about the G4 and Velocity Engine and 3.5 gigaflops. In the amount of time it takes for the G4 to execute one instruction light has only moved 4 inches. "How does a 500 Mhz G4 stack up against a 1000 Mhz PIII?" Steve is inviting Phil Schiller on stage to find out. Phil is using a movie poster in photoshop to compare a Win2000 Ghz machine and 500 Mhz G4. Phil is saying how PS is optimized for the PIII and G4 so it makes for a good match up. The artist gave Apple the actions they used to make the poster and is running the list of actions on both machines. The G4 spanked the PIII severely. This set of actions is quite comprehensive and uses gradients, transforms, and several other different things. So the Mac finished ahead of the PIII by a considerable amount. "Ghz Pentium, ladies and gentlemen!" The PIII took 120 seconds, the G4 took 100 seconds. If you do the math, a 500 MHz G4 is as fast as a 1.2 Ghz Pentium. Steve is giving the usual "Mhz isn't the most important thing." Now Steve is talking about using 2 G4s at the same time. He's now showing a dual processor G4 compared to a 1 Ghz PIII running the previous movie poster test. The dual machine is running 2 500 Mhz G4s. The G4 is yet again soundly destroying the PIII. "Now we could wait for the Ghz Pentium or not, how about we move on." The dual processor machine took 61 seconds in this case. Doing the math, that is the equivalent of a 2 Ghz PIII. The dual processor machines will be available starting today, running at over 7 gigaflops. The 400 Mhz model will stay the same, the 450 model will now come with 2 450 Mhz G4s, and the high end model will come standard with dual 500 Mhz G4s. Every PowerMac model will now have gigabit ethernet on the motherboard. This is quite expensive and will save a lot of people a PCI slot. Phil is now going to demo this ethernet. This will save a lot of people a $1000 add-on. They're going to use video to demonstrate the speed, by showing the video over the network. Now Phil is editing video using FCP from one machine while the actual video is actually on the server. So Phil is playing this very large movie that takes 16MB/sec. The first model comes with 20 GB, the second 30, the third 40GB, and has space for more drives, this is quite a bit larger. The new models will fall into the same price as their predecessors. All of these models are available today. "We think this is going to be the best PowerMac ever."
Now Jobs is going to talk about Mac OS X (!!!!!!!!!). "It has great new plumbing." Mac OS X supports SMP (symmetric multi-processing. Jobs said that they are on track to release the public beta of OS X in early September and the final in early 2001. He says they don't have time for a full blown demo so he is just going to show Aqua for a bit. This is pretty standard stuff, saving windows and stuff. He's demonstarting the save dialog. He's talking about exposing the power of the interface when you want it, but keeping a simple. He is saying there have been some misconception of the finder and that it is still very Mac-like. He's demonstrating navigating the hard drive and viewing files. He's showing the browser mode of finding files and how you can preview mp3s, video, and just about anything else in the finder. Now he's showing the dock, talking about using it to hold miniaturized windows, applications, and documents. He's demonstrating his love for the dock by showing the slow motion movement of the window to the dock. He's just going to show one last thing, showing the MI:2 trailer in QT on Mac OS X. Actually, now he's going to show the bomb.app, an application that works its hardest to crash Mac OS X, he's also showing it while playing the movie trailer. The bomb applications just simply was quitted when it crashed, but the trailer kept going. Now he's talking about his great relationship with Adobe and invited the president up. "We have hundreds of engineers working on getting our applications over to Mac OS X." He is talking about making sure that the key apps are on Mac OS X. "Now we have the ultimate system," the president is saying, in reference to the MP G4 machines,"I can't wait to get my hands on one." Jobs said mock seriously,"Get him one." Now Jobs is talking about their improving relationship with Microsoft and working with them on the new version of Office. He invited the Mac business unit manager up. "It is the most Mac-like product we've released in a long time." It is supposed to increase compatibility with Windows and other Apple applications. The new application in the suite, Entourage (?) seems to be a calendar, adress book, etc. It seems a lot of these features are only available on the Mac, but the audience doesn't seem very pleased and didn't say "Only on the Mac", along with the MS rep even though he asked them too. Now they're looking at Excel. My stream briefly died, but all I seemed to miss were more Office demos, I'm sure every site will cover the new features a ton. You can now save PowerPoint as QuickTimes. Now they're showing an ad for Office 2001. Jobs said,"Best version of Office: on the Mac." Now Jobs is talking about Bungie and invited the VP of games for MS to come out and speak. Apple, Bungie, and Microsoft are getting together to form a games company, it sounds like every game made by Bungie and MS will also come out for Mac OS, but I'm not totally sure of that. So it seems Halo will still come out for Windows and Mac OS, which pleases me greatly.
Now he's talking about the iMacs, and their second birthday. In 2 years 7 million iMacs have been sold. Over 200 an hour are sold. Now he's giving the usual stats about new buyers, converts from Wintel, and how many use the internet, and how many edit movies. 89% are online. There are now 4 models, with the same award winning design. He's talking about all the current features, Harmon Kardon sound, fan-less. The first model is the entry level one, 350 Mhz G3, 7.5 gigabytes, comes in Indigo, and with 64MB of RAM. It of course comes with the new keyboard and mouse, and only costs $799(!!!!!). Model number 2 is the iMac DV. He's talking about FireWire and iMovie allowing people to make movies. 30% of iMac DV makers have made an iMovie. The second model comes in the colro Ruby, which is a deep red, as expected. The iMac DV is $999. The iMac DVSE is 500 Mhz G3, 128MB of RAM, 30GB HD, and DVD. You can also now get the DVSE in Snow, a white color, it appears, and costs $1499. So the new colors are Graphite, Snow, Indigo, Ruby, and Sage, no yellow or tangerine, it appears. The $799 model is the only one not available immediately, it will show up in September. I missed some of the iMac specs/prices, so check out the details later. Jobs is also talking about having Circuit City sell iMacs. Jobs is showing the new iMac ads, one has Elvis music, I don't know the second song, but it has Ruby in the lyrics. The third ad is for the green Sage iMacs, which is a very hip color. "It is not easy being green."
Now Jobs is talking about iMovie and how close it is to Apple. He's talking about how amazingly easy it is and how great the technology is. Now they're announcing iMovie 2. He said iMovie is the most popular video editing tool in the world. It has a new interface and a host of other new features and improvements. It has an Aqua instead of brushed steel interface. It has enhanced audio editing and new effects. The video is rather funny and is a video letter from Mr.Jobs to his parents apologizing for his absence. So, he's just demoing more features of iMovie, such as audio mixing.
Was the comment about Cease and desist orders suppose to be a joke? or serious? Because this story on themacjunkie mentions receiving one early this morning. The article it refers to has a picture (which they presume if fake) of the G4 Cube. If you check out this story it says the picture was removed because of the Apple Legal department.
Are these are serious, or is this one big joke because of what happened a week or so ago?
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I'd be happy if I could reliably cut and paste between applications (or within a single application - gEdit comes to mind...). It would also be nice if I could define my cut and paste keys to be consistent across all applications.
IMHO, this is one thing MSFT got right.
-ec
If you had read the article, or any of several out on the web today, you would know that 1) It does not work like a touchpad. 2) It does not use a trackball for movement. 3) The picture at Insider is not what it looks like.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
Why do I have the feeling that this mouse is going to be called the prOn mouse (for obvious reasons actually). I am waiting for when the mouse clicks back.
Where am I going and why am I in this handbasket?
Do you remember that first post back in the first Slashdot report about the iMac? The one that said nothing but "yikes, how ugly"?
Well, that was me. I really thought that the iMac looked cheesy, stupid, childish. And above all, it looked like *cheap* plastic. It really seemed like a very very bad idea to me.
Then there was one machine for real at the local Apple shop. Hmm, not bad. Those photographs weren't just to the real thing, this machine actually looks quite nice. Still a bit childish, but those Apple designers do have a point, somehow. This really is a new idea.
Then, suddenly, the new iMac translucent coloured plastic design appeared everywhere. There were iMac lookalikes, iMac-styled mice, CD boxes, whatever. And most of them sucked, while Apple's original design still looked superiour compared to the copycats.
And good, affordable USB devices started popping up everywhere. Designed for the Mac, working on a Wintel-PC, as well (not the other way round, for a change). My x86-machine's current trackball was made for the iMac. Apple left a mark, technology wise, by fully embracing a technology that hadn't been supported seriously in the x86 world until then.
Started to think about buying an iMac for my parents, who still run their company billing on an old 486. They are smart, but they don't care for technology. And mum is crazy for good design. Perfect examples of the target consumer group. Didn't buy one, since no affordable financial software for Macs was available that supports our local German billing rules.
Then, the iMacs without a fan started to appear. That really sparked my interest. The loud machine currently standing on my desktop, I really hate it, just for its noise. I want a silent workstation computer above all, I use a server for performance-critical applications.
Now that Linux runs on it, I am thinking about buying an iMac, too. And the most frightning reason: One of the main reasons for wanting to buy an iMac is that they now feature my favourite colour!
Yes, Apple's design strategy has convinced me now.
I wish that an x86 company would come up with a box that is as good and as complete as the iMac. There are possible competitors by Fujitsu, by HP and by IBM among others, but still, none of those machines seems to be as well thought out as the iMac.
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Number two: Mac fans have to lay off the caffeine.
- I don't care if they globalize against free speech. All my best free thoughts are done in my head.
BTW, to put in a base drive of 20GB, Apple is using a cheaper 5400 RPM Drive (by about 5 bucks IRL, jeez) instead of the 7200. You can now also get 1.5 Gigs of RAM for $4000 (a $2500 drop), but that still doesn't jive with real RAM prices. When will manufactures learn they can't count on the same price for 6 months. THAT is what drops sales, when people wisen up.
and the big swindles roll on..
I'll be getting the dual 500 system with 64 meg of ram and the 20 gig hdd. I'll buy a 512K DIMM on my own, and upgrade my HDD as needed.
Lowmag.net
Um... no, the "geeks" got free NEW mice.. the NEW optical ones.. not the puck one.
Hello? The 8 grand model comes with a cinema display. Read more carefully. Still pricey but oof, talk about lust-worthy.
The cube is hardly overpriced considering you're basically getting the low end g4 ($1599) shrunk to 8 x 8.
How is the cube pointless? Pointless for you maybe, but somehow I doubt that matters much to Apple.
Still, I am sort of disappointed the new models didn't show up with Radeon boards. I assume will see those in by Seybold.
uh, a single CPU G4/450 can finish a Seti@home in 5.5 hours, because I have one of those. Try doing that w/o the command line version on a PC...The latest Seti beta, version 3.0 is said to cut the computation time by approximately 1 hour on a G4, so that's 4.5 hours compared to a 1 Ghz PIII/Athlon not on command line...
If you look at Seti results, I believe the PowerMac has a less overall average hour per work unit than PCs. You may say there are more PC users on original Pentiums, but there are also more on PIII and Athlons, and there are also many using 6100 PowerMacs.
Travis .. see the slot on the top of the box toward the front? There's yer DVD drive .. vertical loading.
Ok here is my argument...
In the Keynote, apple drew up a new product grid saying iMac is the consumer product, followed by the cube, then the Power Mac G4. Now if the Cube is before the PowerMac G4, why does it cost more for a cube (more than entry G4)?? The difference in specs: cube has "digital speaker system with Harman Kardon audio technology" and it's 50 MHz faster.
Pricing: PowerMac G4/400 is $1599 Cube is $1799
Main reason why i bring this up...
When hearing the rumours about a 'Cube G4' I thought it was the solution to stop the hole in the market for low cost Mac Servers [remember slashdot artice Rack an iMac], but it appears this cube isn't the low cost it should be if it's big brother beats it in price. Those rumours on AppleInsider orignally talked about a stacking ability of the machine [can't work now obviously], I thought that would be neat for using them as cheap servers too.
I reckon personally I'd want to save $200 and buy a Powermac G4, because desk space isn't an issue for me.
Actually they're running solaris. And I don't even want to try and gues how many hits they're getting right now.
Spoken like a person who doesn't have a 5 year-old using the computer. :-) Seriously, I did have some concerns about the slot-loading CD/DVD on the iMac DV, but it actually does seem to work just fine. And it does have the benefit that even a 5-year-old knows how it works.
Now, what I *do* fear is a vertically mounted slot like this one is the high probability of a toddler "mailing" things. That's also possible, I suppose, with a horizontal slot, but that could only get worse.
Well, the inability to read or use any of those business card disk things is a positive feature, in my opinion. :-)
Babar
I can guarantee that both systems were properly tweaked so that the Mac would out perform the win2K as much as possible. These is not a real-world situation. I'm certain Intel could give a demo showing it's processor to be faster.
I honestly think computer manufacturers are missing the point. They give us a fancy new mouse and go on and on about how fast their machines are. When neither of those are solving the problems people have with computers.
I'm the computer fix-it guy for all of my friends and neighbors because these reasonably intelligent people can't figure out how to work the darn things. So I install the extra memory and try to figure out what's misconfigured and keeping them off of the Internet and on and on and on.
But it doesn't roll!!!
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(Ok, so that was an anal nitpick
You mean they're finally catching up with everyone else?
I know this looks like flamebait, but it is actually nice to see them join the team and come in for the big win. Mind you, Windows still screws things up badly when a window is bigger than the screen, especially if it's a lot bigger. But the Amiga with MUI-GUI apps did this right, well, years and years ago. Everything else here windows already does and has done for aeons, so I don't know what the big deal is.
All of this is done by Windows today and most probably by KDE and GNOME both in the not-so-far future (I'm betting on KDE, as much as I dislike it.)
The best piece of news to come out of this conference from a non-mac-head standpoint is that the SMP G4s will be reasonably priced. This makes me happy(tm). As we all know, the PC/x86 architecture is deficient, and I'd like a nice fast PPC arch to run unix on without having to wait for ia64/itanium.
And really, I wish Apple would just get it over with and put up a big fat webpage about their new mouse. I'm tired of all the speculation, I want to know what's going on here.
One last parting shot at Apple: You should be ashamed of yourself for threatening legal action against the rumor sites. You are doing a disservice to the very people that keep other people caring about your locked-in proprietary platforms. Only an idiot points a gun at his own foot, intentionally turns off the safety, and pulls the trigger. You're bad people. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Let the negative moderation begin.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
hehe, the reason 8 is a popular number to Chinese is 'cuz in Cantoness and less so in Mandarin, it sounds similar to "fa" which means "becoming rich."
:( Maybe drinkypoo can enlighten on this as well! ;)
Oh, that's just a 2 second attempt to translate it. But as one other guy pointed out, my English is pathetically poor compared to his, and of course my Chinese isn't as sharp as it used to be
Read Apple's Pro Mouse Specs (in pdf). It explains the neato technical features of the mouse. I like the final sentence-- "And yes, this mouse glows in the dark." It looks like the buttons on the side are for long drags-- if you have to pull the mouse across more space than your mouse pad provides. (Since it's optical, the mouse would register movement if you had to lift it to reposition.) So you hold the buttons on the side, and the mouse freezes. When you reposition the mouse, you let go of the buttons and continue dragging. Very nice. The buttons also look like good thumbrests.
LOL I AM an 18 yr old kid and I hate the iMac. It's so "un-Macintosh" and so underpowered! That's why I 'wasted' $2255 and got a G4/450 less than 48 hours of its original announcement last July.
The iMac is really aimed to appeal a lower educational market, ie middle school and elementary school, where Apple can convert more fans into buying Macintosh product later, or have them convince their parents to buy it. Why would anyone who knows anything about computers want an iMac which can't even be upgraded/expanded? almost same thing goes for the iBorg (aka G4 Cube).
And of course, the show the SMP mac doing the ultamate benchmark... Seti@HOME!!! Pic here, reload a couple times if you geta 403 forbidden.
I'm not sure which unices you're referring too,
but linux threads suck. Debugging any non-trival
threaded program is a nightmare.
Apple issues threats over revealing Apple "secrets"
Heres a clue for Apple... When the photos are bogus (As AppleInsiders are) you can't sue...
Thies photos are clearly AppleInsiders property not Apples...
Now Apple can be sued for legal harrasment...
This is why people don't run around suing for this stuff... You can only conferm rummers this way as you CAN NOT send threatoning letters unless the rummor is REAL.
Apple however has taken to threatoning anyone reporting to have pictures of rummored hardware even if the pictures are totall bogus.
This is bad legalisticly...
MacJunkie may wish to sue (As they said the box Mac was fake...) AppleInsider would probably want to crawl under a rock and die first
I don't actually exist.
>And then there's the whole matter of slot-loading drives to begin with. They suck, they're stupid, and they don't work.
Um I own a slot loading Pioneer 6x DVD-rom and it doesn't suck and it doesn't have any problems what so ever. In fact Pioneer ahs made alot of perfectly fine DVD-roms with a slot loading mechanism. I've found thr slot actually tends to clean some of the dust off of CD's and DVD's I put into it. It's also alot easier to actually insert a disc via a slot rather than a tray/case/whatever and the best part the stupid trays don't get in your way when you have mutiple drives.
Ok I'm done explaining that the slot doesn't suck, so I'll just add I don't liek the vertical nature of that particular drive anymore than you do...
we are all invisible unless we choose otherwise
Apple does understand open source to the extent that they know that Darwin was as far as it should go at this point in time. And judging from selling close to 4 million iMacs in two years, with about 40% being either Wintel-escapees or first time computer users, Apple seems definitely clued as to what sells.
BTW, I know a deep dyed in the wool Filepro programmer who's spent the major part of his life tooling about in SCO. Guess which was HIS first Mac..... the tangerine ibook.
Geeks are people, and like any group of people there's a lot of variation in taste. You remind me of a guy I know at the Onenet network who still thinks that the only proper color for a Mac or any other computer should be beige.
The cube seems to be targeted specifically at a market segment that has looked at the iMac and likes the simplicity but wants more power and does not want to be locked into a 15 inch display. I could definitely see someone plugging in for the full setup plus the Cinema display for a well to do living room or home den setup. I could also see it for a DTP worker who doesn't have the need for PCI slots and wants to save on desk space as the Cube has Firewire which will suffice for most high bandwidth device needs.
Apple has never really been that much into the server market. Servers are mainly an afterthought, usually by tricking out the top of the line model and slapping a server software package. The only time Apple actually built a specifically server machine, the late lamented Apple Network Server was a dismal failure. I think that when OS X becomes sufficiently established, there'll be room for some innovative tech company to come out with a properly designed enterprise server running on Darwin.
OSx public beta in September! This is actually a disappointment; they had planned to release it today.
Ummmm, no they didn't. Maybe the rumor sites planned on it being released today, but Apple never said anything about it. I suspect it will be available to the public at Seybold SF (August 28).
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In answer to your question, the entire sound system was designed and built at HK's lab. The speakers, the amp, and the optional iSub USB subwoofer, are all Apple-branded components made by Harmon Kardon.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
I'm a CS major, and I own a Powerbook G3. But seriously, do you really really want to program in the Mac OS? Really Really? I do have Codewarrior and I've done it... but, hey... I don't recommend it. With OS X, that might be a different story, but good luck if something you compiled crashes in Mac OS 9 and less... BOOM goes the system.
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And LinuxPPC, YellowdogLinux and SuseLinuxPPC... how many have actually tried these? I have, and they are NOWHERE near on par with their wintel counterparts... sure, Linux is a crossplatform OS, but the driver development just isn't there for the Mac. Now before you scream at me, JUST RECOMPILE IDIOT, find me a way to mount HFS+ volumes in Linux... you can't yet. Hell, developers had a bitch of a time getting USB to work under Linux and it only really happened when USB caught on in the PC world.
If you program on a Mac as a CS major, woe is you. Maybe in the 100 level classes (my college uses Macs on them) but once you hit 300 level classes, the only thing you'd use your Mac for is Telnet.
That's why I have two computers. The Powerbook (which is a GREAT laptop, and a GREAT design tool for Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Illustrator, Indesign, Quark, and other GRAPHICAL design programs) and a rocking Athlon for FreeBSD and Win2k for everything else.
Don't kid yourself. Macs are great for design and they look damn cool (that's why all these TV shows use powerbooks/ibooks for probs and not Thinkpads) but for power and programming... the PC is the place to be.
Of course, now that NVidia is doing the video cards for the new macs and Apple is talking to other chip makers (transmeta) for a new source of processors... things might change... hmm.
Nick
A friend of mine has a G4/400 and he does SETI@Home units in 5 hours and change. I think the G4 likes that kind of computation.
Photoshop is a pretty good test, because you do all kinds of computation, and the user looks at a progress bar constantly, every time they use a filter. In most other apps, you only get a progress bar while saving, encoding, or printing, usually after you're done working. Speeding up Photoshop really speeds up a person's day, and a huge percentage of PowerMac G4's run Photoshop all day or a significant part of the day. It's a real world test for Macs, and Apple's customers are interested in it.
It's true. I watched the entire keynote address (twice!), and right at the end, Jobs announced the special surprise for each of the members of the audience.
I'd really like to get my hands on one of these mice so I can see for myself how well they really work (I am extremely picky about my input devices). Too bad I don't use a Mac, would never use a single-button mouse, and would be loath to pay $59 for one anyway.
Guess I'll have to wait a month or so for it to hit the local computer storess. Slimy display units -- gotta love 'em!
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Maybe there is a UL thing about high and low voltage, but there isn't any high voltage traveling over that cable to the monitor, it's only +/-12VDC is what I'd bet. The only reason you'd need higher voltage in the LCD (or the CRT) would be for the florescent backlighting (or the electron gun), and that requires much higher voltage than 125VAC your wall puts out.
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Please to be trying this in english. I understand if your first language is not english, but if you have trouble with it, go for simpler language. I doubt you'll insult anyone and your meaning will come across much clearer.
A less overall average hour per work unit? Are you trying to say that it spends less hours generating a work unit? If so, how long goes it take a PC in the same price range to complete a work unit?First of all, PIII/Athlon is not appropriate, as the two have differing speeds. If you are doing a lot of FP and you're not afraid to throw down more instructions than a P3 can handle, you will see a large speed increase when the code is executed on the Athlon. Second of all, you said "compared to a 1 Ghz PII/Athlon not on command line..." but still have not said how long it takes such a machine (Or, such machines) to complete a work unit. Isn't that an important datum?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I ran for office...
One thing you NEVER do is respond with out checking the facts first...
And you did...
I don't actually exist.
Actually, I wasn't suggesting you go for a language which is simpler than English. If I had meant that, I would have suggested you use a simpler language, not merely simpler language. What I meant was, use simpler terms.
As for the fairly reasonably believable piece of data that you score in the 95th percentile in English proficiency tests: I didn't say English was easy, nor that the majority of English speakers (Especially Americans) aren't bozos. They are. Taking a drive on any highway in the US that has at least five cars visible at any given time will prove that people are stupid. Other people are smart, but it's the exception that proves the rule. Besides, if we didn't have smart people, you wouldn't know who was stupid, or if you look at it another way, no one would be.
In any case, YOU tell ME how long it takes a ghz P3 to complete the test. That's not my job. My job is to pee on your assertions until you either give up, or produce some numbers to back up your claim.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
LOL! MacJunkie got their entire site pulled by their ISP... their main page turned into their ISP's main page.
It looks so CUTE :) ... now my question is - Can you get the hardware (to run LinuxPPC on) without the MacOS-Tax? ... probably not ... that's always so sad when I would love to have a cute lil server like that for running Linux on... they're just so expensive :/
Ah.. I can dream I guess..
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I wouldn't trade my tower for anything, but then I'm not part of the demographic that the iMac is for.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
actually, a G4/450 will process a SETI unit in about 6.5 hours - duals should cut that way down (assuming they ever rewrite the mac client....)
Oh my fucking God, that's just nuts.
It's only 8 inches on a side, and the entire internal pops out of the plastic case.
If you are doing work that requires G4 power, you probably want the expandablity of a tower anyway.
On the bright side, the iMac is the ultimate dorm room machine. A fast computer, a DVD player, Harmon Kardon sound... pick up a USB TV tuner and you have a complete home entertainment system that fits on the desk underneath your lofted bed. Were I an 18 year old kid again, I would be all about this thing.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
There's another macjunkie page here, which reveals that there will be an 8"-on-a-side cube. Their product grid is now six-squared.
Whoo-hoo!
New Input Devices
New optical mouse. Still one-button only, but the entire surface is the button. Will be standard on all Macs. This is not the touchy, squeezing, twiddling mouse that everyone has rumors about, and it looks radically different from previously posted pictures.
New 108 key keyboard based on the old Mac Extended Keyboard design. Includes volume and eject keys along with the standard arrow. Both keyboard and mouse will be sold on the Apple Store as seperate components for $59 each.
Pentium vs. G4 Showdown
Used a 500 MHz G4 vs. a 1 GHz Pentium III with Altivec and SSE enhanced filters, respectively. Did the standard Photoshop test, this time rendering the "Inspector Gadget" movie poster. G4 = 100 sec, P3 = 124 sec.
They did the same showdown again with a dual-G4 machine vs. a single P3 machine. Note that Photoshop is one of the few Mac apps designed to take advantage of Apple's asymmetric multiprocessing API. Until Mac OS X, not all apps will be able to take advantage of this boost. This is a bit of a stacked comparison, but not bad for an OS without SMP. 61 seconds on dual G4.
New machines
Yes, they are formally announcing dual-G4 machines today. The 400 MHz model is going to still be single processor machines, but the 450 MHz and 500 MHz models will only be able to be bought with dual-G4s.
They are also including Gigabit Ethernet as a standard option on the motherboard for all G4 machines. To show off Gigabit Ethernet, they played a Final Cut Pro movie with the uncompressed video source being streamed from the server. They also showed scrubbing through it from the server. The showed smooth playback at over 16 Mb/sec, and showed good recovery after the cable was pulled mid-playback and replugged.
New machines will include 20 GB, 30 GB, and 40 GB drives respectively. All of these new features will be sold at the same price as the old machines.
Mac OS X
Public Beta is on track for September. Also on track to release in 2001. No time for a full-blown demo, but do show off a the new UI. They showed off the following:
3rd Parties
Bruce Chizen from Adobe came and raved about the PowerMac G4 SMP. Nothing of consequence was said, though.
Kevin Browne of MS comes to talk about the new Office 2001 for Mac. Added a new application to Office called Entourage, which is apparently an Outlook replacement.
Brought up MS's VP of Games to talk about Bungie. MS and Apple are teaming up with Bungie to being bringing their entire line to the Mac, including older MS games. They transitioned to talking about the X-Box and brought up the CEO of Bungie. He mentioned their origins as a Mac company and confirmed that, yes, Halo WILL still be coming out for the Mac. Wow, this game is going to be sweet. Very cinematic.
iMac
Talked a little about the 2 year history of the iMac. 3.7 million iMacs sold in 2 years. That's about 5000+ per day, 200+ per hour, or 1 every 18 seconds. Did the demographic breakdown.
4 New iMac models:
Yesterday, it was announced that Circuit City will be selling iMacs. Furthermore, the digital cameras and iMacs will be sold side-by-side now. Showed off the new commercials for the new iMacs. (I love the choice of "It's Not Easy Being Green" for the Sage machines. "White Room" was also pretty funny for Snow.)
iMovie 2
New user interface, intended to be easier to use. Enhanced audio editing and special effects. They adopted some Aqua GUI elements. (Why, oh why, can't they use their own Appearance Manager?) They showed the drag and drop functionality in iMac's timeline and clip manager panel. They also showed off some new audio functionality. Unfortunately, after Jobs actually got started working, the audio for the webcast got cut, so I can't really tell all of what he was doing. They did show off how you could now have clips transition into sepia tones.
iMovie 2 is free with all desktop Macs -- but what about the entry-leve iMac? For people who aren't buying a new machine, there will be a $49 download available in August.
iTools
Talked some about iDisk and using iMovie to create movies and uploading them to iDisk along with pictures. You can use Apple's homepage templates to create personal photo and movie galleries. Did a demo of doing this.
The Cube
They are expanding their product line to create a new area between consumer and pro. The new 8" cube Mac is for real. The PowerMac G4 Cube has:
I'll be damned. The Apple Insider picture is pretty close to what it looks like. It's almost identical to the picture with the two dark screws. The slot-loading DVD drive is in the top, and the connectors are on the bottom. To open, you turn it upside down, push on a pop-up handle, and slide it all out by the handle. The handle locks it in place (and comes with a Kensington lock). Access was a key issue. (Side note: It seems to have an internal grill, so it seems that pencils aren't a case, but don't you dare put a coffee cup on it.) Comes with two little spherical Harmann speakers.
Apparently, the new 17" monitor was also dead on. The front screen is flat, and the graphite enclosing is clear. It has 2 USB ports, costs $499, and has a single cable carrying power, video, and USB. Also, they debuted new Studio Display models - 15" & 22", both with 1 cable for all needs. They say that it is compatible with the older models and not just the cube.
The wrapped up the keynote with a commercial filled with interviews about the new cube. Steve then gave free optical mice to all the keynote attendees! Sweet!
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
No!!!It's because Ben Apple doesn't want to eat his hat for claiming those photos of the G4 were fake!
Poll Mastah
the cube is a pretty lame name...they should have called it The Hellraiser.... Sure, go ahead, pull the handle....but you just might meet Pinhead.
Apple is in the process of changing their site now... here is the (as-yet incomplete) link to the cube's website.
Did anyone else immediately think of Star Trek when he grabbed that handle and pulled?
All that's needed now is a twist first. Oh and memory of little slivers of clear plastic.
The cube doesn't have a fan, so even if there weren't the little matter with the "toaster"-loading DVD, it would be a Very Bad Thing(tm) to stack them.
About that DVD... Has anyone ever seen a vertically-mounted disc drive that didn't suck? I thought that was an issue with the 20th Century Mac that the drive couldn't be faster than 4x because of stability.
And then there's the whole matter of slot-loading drives to begin with. They suck, they're stupid, and they don't work. Has Apple never heard of card-discs? Anything other than standard 5" completely circular discs are useless on these things. I wonder if DVD-RAM is available on the Cube? Last I checked, the DVD-RAM drive Apple offered was tray-loading. Otherwise I'd be apt to cut into the faceplate just to get a "real" drive installed. And put a fan in for good measure.
Damn, everyone there got one of those new mice. Why am I not attending these conferences?
Any sufficiently advanced civilization is indistinguishable from Gods.
Apple's web site has just been updated with the new products, and is leaning heavily under the load. I would expect them to anticipate this sort of thing, and at least accomodate this kind of load via Akamai. Wouldn't every technology company love to have this sort of excitement surrounding their every move?
http://www.apple.com/powermaccube/
One group would know to say something like this and that this would tick me off.
That same group I really pissed off over a year ago...
Get over it... that was a year ago... I know where I stand and why. I screwed up majorly.
But hold a grudge for a year? Come on guy.. thats pathetic...
Give it up and move on....
No... I won't be back... I know better.
This "Don't run for office" bit is bullshit anyway....
I fucked up... one year ago.... ONCE!!!
Good buy and don't darken my doorstep again...
I'll never darken yours...
Mac Junkie did FAR more than clame it was a fake... Read the story...
Naa you don't care about facts.. you care about pissing me off.
Well guess what... you did...
guess what else... I know who you are... so screw off
I don't actually exist.
Apple produced the Cube....
Mac Junkie posted a story saying they faked the story as a test.
Elsewhere I basicly said the same as above.
Yeah... Apple produced the stupid thing...
Hay I don't like being lied to anymore than you do... I saw the story on Mac Junkie and jumpped on it...
I don't actually exist.
No.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
AFAIK, Apple's been boasting all along about the G4 (Amusing since they didn't make it or anything; Their part in PowerPC is that they use the chips) runs teraflop speeds. The implication is that the G4 is actually better at FP (largely due to the Altivec vector processing system, IIRC) than the x86 chips. Unfortunately, even if I could find SPECfp2000 scores for the G4, I can't get them for the Athlon, because AMD doesn't have them on their site.
BTW, a 686 is a PPro. Calling a Pentium II a 686 is probably not unreasonable, but the new core in the P3 (With SIMD, mind you) kind of takes it out of that world. The Athlon is even further.
Maybe one of these days I'll run around the office and put SETI@Home on everything one weekend, and report the statistics. We don't have any G4s that I'm aware of but we do have a bunch of P2, P3, Celeron, a couple Athlons, and some iMacs. However, the G4 is the real chip to watch because of the Altivec hardware.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
While the cube does not have a fan, I'm sure it's airflow is from the bottom. An enterprising individual could build a stand for a G4 Cluster tower, which has a fan that could easily cool the entire tower.
You could then figure out how many G4s you could cool this way, and put another fan in between that computer and the next computer.
If you had a fan that could sufficiently cool 3 G4^3s (cubes.) It could look like this...
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(1) How much more performance would you get out of dual-500mhz processors than dual 450s? Enough to justify the $1,000 leap in price on the packaged machine (which admittedly has a lot of other cool goodies)?
(2) Why would you buy the cube when the dual processor G4 is only $200-odd more?
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And now The Mac Junkie points to Addr.com too...
Too bad. If you disclose then you die...
--- Sueños del Sur - a webcomic about four young siblings
Does anybody else think the new G4 Cube looks like a breadmaker machine?
Or a Brita water filter pitcher?
I bet this model will make a great fish tank!
Heh heh.
That said, Apple has put a lot of work into the color on their LCD's - I'm not a graphics expert, but when they first came out PEI, CGW, et. al. all talked about their color software. And they all mentioned how good the viewing angle is on this one.
The cube is another cute computer with a bit more power than the iMac. Personally, what I'm wowed with is the MP G4's because I as a programmer know what BSD goodness will do for MacOS in terms of multithreading.
Sad to say, they're all too expensive for me. I'm no longer a Macintosh user (I run BeOS now on a Dual Pentium II 400) but am still following closely, because MacOS X has me excited.
Personally, I think that Intel should be screaming at Adobe for not porting Photoshop to BeOS... Photoshop was definitely crippled in the benchmarks by Windows. (That dual OptiPlex number on the website should have been much lower, if it weren't sabatoged by Windows NT's piss-poor SMP).
Frankly, though, I do wonder if you're legit - the Apple displays, with a proper color kit (there are USB ones out now) should do great color for you. Apple caters to the photo-and-publishing people, and their displays show it.
So there's an "Eject" button on the new keyboard. Has anyone heard what key code this has? I'm hoping I can map it to F5 using ResEdit. It should be in the OS already, since the new keyboard will work with all USB mdels.
Can anyone confirm or deny this? It would be interesting to know if it's true.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Xerox had three-button mice. Apple did usability testing, and found that they confuse most people. A mouse is an extension of your arm. You don't move the mouse and press a button, you just point to something. People don't normally point with different fingers to mean different things; it's unnatural.
Now that most people are used to having more than one button, it's not so bad, but some people are stil confused by this, as hard to believe as that may sound.
For those who want multiple buttons, MacAlly, Logitech, Microsoft and others make multiple-button mice.
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Looks like someone ate their website instead of their shorts.
This could be the result of Apple Legal's letter to his ISP. Please make a note of his ISP to be sure to never, never, never use them for anything, ever.
more from: http://www.macmedianetwork.com/mwny/index.shtml
Now Jobs is talking about iTools and how easy it is to make a homepage. The new iTools has more templates and features. He whipped out a website in iTools real quick to show how easy it is. He's demoing the photo album in iTools. It now allows drag and drop reordering of pictures. Now he is making a page to show an iMovie. He's talking about being able to build a very extensive website after dinner in just a few minutes.
He's gone back to the product matrix and is reviewing what they've gone over. "But there's even one more thing..." He's talking about their product strategy and how successul they've been for the past 2.5 years, but now they are expanding their product strategy with a new desktop. The new desktop will be a G4, up to 1.5 gigs of RAM, up to 40 gigs of storage inside the machine, ethernet, USB, firewire, Airport. This machine is much smaller than a G4, being an 8" cube, 1/4 the size of a G4. It doesn't have a fan. It looks totally chic and would look most excellent to an Apple LCD. It has slot-loading DVD on top, toaster style, apparently they've gotten around the 8x barrier that vertical CD players used to have. It is very easy to access the insides for upgrades, so those who worried about that, don't. It has ball speakers, which are very hip. It costs a cool $1800, so not really very cheap. The models are available in early August.
Now he is showing the new displays. The new 17" CRT display with Diamondtron and is totally flat. It has a brilliant clear enclosure. It has 2 USB ports built into it. The display is powered by the computer, just one cable carries video, USB, and power. One cable replaces 3. It costs $499. The next display is the 15" LCD. 2 USB ports again, and powered from the computer just like the CRT, and only costs $999. The last is the new Cinema Display, which uses the video/USB/power over one cable. Now they are talking to Apple employees about how great the new stuff is.
Apple's entire site is 403 at this point, too. They started to upload the PowerMac Cube site, then killed the permissions so nobody could view it before it was done.
They "Get It".
bleah.
What do I do, when it seems I relate to Judas more than You?
Still not dead.
This has got to be the best stuff to come out of apple, ever. I'm getting my new keyboard and mouse right now (well, as sone as the apple store is updated, anyway), and am certainly looking to save up enough for one of those two headed monsters.
On the keyboard, this is going to be very nice for Linux. It's always been a problem not having enough keys (especially in vi and emacs), but all this is about to change. Plus, now I'll be able to get to the end of documents without scrolling forever and won't keep hitting the help key by accident anymore.
The mouse is cool. I think that the lack of buttons and sensitivity control will make it easier for people to use the mouse since everyone uses it differently. Even within the same session I might use different clicking styles depending upon what I'm doing. Not as cool as if it could tell where you press and how you pressed it, but still cool none the less.
Well, I'm still going to be getting graphite macs, but if I were getting an iMac there sure are better colors. I know that some of you think this is dumb, but if it doesn't matter to you what the compter looks like, what's wrong with an iMac if it has enough power for the task?
Finally, I like the cube but it seems kind of like a portable stuffed into a different container. Sure, there is a lot more stuff than even on a PowerBook, but I'd like it better if things weren't so cramped. Also, I'm a bit concerned about the size of the air vents. They're really huge. Oh well, the thing looks like a toaster anyway with the way that the DVD drive takes disk (and I know that I've certainly spilt things inside my toaster).
Overall, it is very cool stuff. You'll just have to give me a few days before I'll calm down and realize that maybe this new stuff isn't that great, after all (but it probably still will be).
-- Gordon Worley
Under capitalism man exploits man. Under communism it's the other way around.
Reread the overview of the keynote: the 1-processor G4 beat the 1-processor win2K (100sec vs. 120 sec). The dual processor G4 did the same task in 61 seconds. Your point about company spokespeople & objective testing has merit, but your criticism would be stronger if you'd not erred here.
So this works like a touchpad, i'm guessing? But with a trackball for movement...yeeeeah. My mom's compaq laptop has a utility that you can use a certian part of the touchpad for scrolling. I guess you could create a program so that when you drag your finger over a certian part of the mouse, it would scroll for the mouse pad.
Sombody's been smoking crack over at Apple. The pic at apple insider reminds me of the flyover/flightsim easter egg in MS excel.
moox. for a new generation.
Even though I'm not a big Mac fan, the apple kind not the mcdonalds kind. I think this mouse is kinda the next evolution of pointing device, where there are not specific buttons, and its adjustable to where you wanna press. I might just have to buy a new mac to try this thing out.
1) Post rampant speculation as fact in public forum, decrying someone else's (factual) rumors as speculation ...?... apologize for being fooled so easily?
;)
2) Shoot self in foot
3) Insert foot in mouth
4) Throw eggs in own face
5)
Felinoid, don't run for office... someone will use this against you.
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More to the point, apple supports a windows-ripoff context menu with the second button, or (I believe) control-click... or was it option? In any case, you can get the functionality without having a two button mouse, or with it. That much is fairly keen.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
While I'm not much of a Mac user, it seems that with Darwin, Apple is showing that it finally groks open source, and all it's implications. It's good to know that I can tinker under the hood of the operating system, and I think most other users can appreciate that too.
OTOH, their hardware designs are becoming more and more outrageous. While I'll be the first to admit that the iMac is nice looking, in a sort of sickeningly-cute way, I don't think most geeks (myself and my friends included) would want to be seen with such a thing. It's hard to keep up with hacking Perl programs all night when you're using a computer designed to attract computer-illiterates. Beige is fine by me, thank you very much.
But if Apple does remain as clued in as it seems to be know, I might just buy one. Maybe.
-- Floyd
-- Floyd
Oops... We noted the same thing almost the same time... I accept your four-minute victory. Buh!
--- Sueños del Sur - a webcomic about four young siblings
One interesting thing I do note is that you can get a 500Mhz dual processor G4 Mac for the same price as the old G4, which is smart. My only criticism/question is this : is the dual processor controlled at a hardware level (meaning that all apps get the benefit) or is this going to require some wacky extension ? If it's the first, I'll jump for it.. if it's the second, I won't. A good idea really, not much of a surprise though, considering that Apple may consider that the 1Ghz machines are leaving the 500Mhz G4s behind..... M.
Simple. Set up your mom with a 386 and spend all your evenings on the phone helping her figure out how to dial out ("hey son, what does Kernel Panic mean?"), or get her to buy an iMac, and wait for her to send you an e-mail telling you about the spiffy web page she built. Your call.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
You know, as many things as Apple's done wrong, they've done one thing right.
There's NOTHING else in this industry that gets anywhere near as exciting as Apple's releases at MacExpo.
Everyone is so interested in previewing products so far in advance, there's nothing left to "oooh" and "aaah" over when it's released. This used to be the case years ago -- someone would release something so new, so radical, so different that everyone would gawk(1) at it and feel something "special".
Apple's brought back that something "special". Now there's something to look forward to, instead of "hey, look at what's on our drawing board for 3 years from now!"
It's great to see new shipping products. Most everything these days is old hat before it's new.
I guess since I attend an Institute of Technologies (Cali), the nature of things are a bit different. What I was trying to get at was that at least from what I see, the G3/G4 towers dominate over the iMacs at my university dorm. (4:2, slightly better than the boy:girl ratio, which I brought up because the iMacs are used by girls while the guys got the towers. I'm not being sexist or stereotyping, just providing a number for reference purposes)
(hehe, my 188 Digital Audio Recorder project is still big in size and expensive! I guess since it's an intro EE class, it's "understandable")
I guess that is why they were so quick.. And I almost believed that guy who said they were faked!
-- these are only opinions and they might not be mine.
You didn't created another window to go there... Did you? :-)
--- Sueños del Sur - a webcomic about four young siblings
Steve has announced the long-awaited next-generation optical, buttonless mouse and expanded USB keyboard. A new TV ad was shown showcasing the input devices, which will be available on the Apple Store later this year for about $60 US. They will ship with all the new Macs announced today. :-)
Apple's iTools Web service has been updated to support extra iDisk space (available at $1 per MB per year), numerous new Mac.com email features, an expanded database of Kid-Safe sites, and expanded Mac.com Home Page features.
Apple has announced the immediate availability of two dual-processor PowerMac G4s at 450 and 500MHz, with the low-end model sporting a single 450MHz processor. All three models will sport 1,000BaseT (Gigabit) Ethernet built-in.
As many expected, Apple demonstrated Mac OS X Public Beta today, but release is scheduled for September. The new iMac line-up sports the new mouse and keyboard across the board, and begins with the
$799 "Indigo" 350MHz/64MB/7.5GB model -- but this entry-level unit will not be available until September. The immediately available models include the $999 400MHz/64MB/10GB/AirPort iMac DV (available in Indigo and Ruby), the $1299 450MHz/64MB/20GB/DVD/AirPort iMac DV-Plus (Indigo, Ruby, and Sage), and the $1499 500MHz/128MB/30GB/DVD/AirPort iMac DV SE (New Graphite or Snow). Other specs and the motherboard chipset are the same as the previous models.
iMovie 2 has been demonstrated. It will support an unlimited number of source video clips, a new user interface and numerous other new features, and will be bundled on all Firewire-equipped desktop Macs for free. A stand-alone version will be downloadable over the Internet for $50. Bungie and Microsoft reps came up on stage to announce that not only will Bungie's Halo come out for the Mac, but Microsoft is working to port all of its games to the platform! "But there's one last thing...." Here it comes.
You guessed it...the PowerMacintosh G4 Cube (see it on Apple.com!). Fanless, with a well-concealed sloat-loading DVD-ROM drive (on top of the box!), 450MHz ($1799) and 500MHz ($2299) versions will be available soon. The 500MHz model will apparently be available only through the Apple Store. Similar to predictions, the measurements of the Cube are 7.7x7.7x9.8 inches.
Several new monitors were introduced. All are powered by the computer, and sport a single connection that carries power, DVI, and USB to reduce cable count. The new models include a 17" flat CRT for $499, a revamped 15" Flat Panel Studio Display for $999, and a revamped Cinema Display 22" that supports the new single-cable system.
The surprise of Apple positioning the Cube not below the full-size PowerMac G4, but above (despite its lesser price/performance) clearly shows Apple's desire to latch on to the current trend of accelerating high-end and lagging low-end sales. Stay tuned as we continue to cover the latest news from Macworld Expo New York 2000..... At least it is now official
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now everyone can be online and make websites; this will be good so that more HTML-ers will flood the market. we can then concentrate on better things.
for a lot of people, they don't need more than an entry unit. many parents will buy the higher end systems becuase they want to browse the web and let there children play games. if they didn't have kids, they wouldn't need the higher end systems.
"you get hit and your head goes ping" --rocky horror picture show
Entire site is now 403 forbidden.
Everybody in the auditorium was given one of the new mice...they were stashed under the seats!
:-]
Bastards.
I use Macs for work, Linux for education, and Windows for cardplaying.
Macintouch has the same keynote coverage, in a pleasantly digested summary. MacCentral has point-by-point coverage, but for some reason it's writting in reverse order.
Now if I can just get my new work to shell out 10 or 15 grand for a really kick-ass mac for me:)
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Not all that strange. Apple did a similar thing with the "AV" monitors a while back; one cable for video/ADB. It was a stupid idea then and I still think it was a stupid idea. Especially combining power -- isn't there a thing in UL about not combining high-voltage with low-voltage in a single assembly?
Any sufficiently advanced civilization is indistinguishable from Gods.
The themes that were removed used the Apple logo, creating the mistaken impression that they were somehow licensed, approved, or created by Apple. The logo is their trademark; creating something that merely duplicates the graphical widgets of another OS is a different matter.
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The Apple web site is apparently being updated at this very moment, because I keep getting Forbidden: Your client is not allowed to access the requested object. D'oh!
-- The Theorem Theorem: "If if, then then."
The Borg^H^H^H^H Mac cube is true. So I guess that some MacJunkie authors will be eating their shorts or something.
Check www.apple.com and store.apple.com.
It seems that they are being uploaded right now, so be patient as some of the pages or pictures wont load. Usually apple doesnt update apple.com until a few hours after the show. Im impressed. SO much for mac news pages.
I just looked at it a minute ago and it says:
www.apple.com is running Netscape-Enterprise/3.6 SP3 on Solaris
Where are you getting OS X from?
"Bungie will form a new company to port Microsoft games to the Mac. "
I've held my breath for so long, now Bungie does what I thought no one could do. They made their buyout into a positive.
Maybe Bungie can change Microsoft. Here's hoping. neo
I just realized how cool the new mouse is.
Not necessarily how useful, just how cool. Absolutely no moving parts. Nothing at all. No buttons, no triggers, no ball.
Wow
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*Pikachu*
Threads are one of the things that makes coding an art rather than just a craft. You have to get a feel for them, and any system that supports them well is going to make debugging them a pain, as counterintuitive (read: ass-backwards) as that sounds.
Ushers will eat latecomers.
IP is just rude.
Is there any torture so subl
Unless, of course, you loaded up LinuxPPC to build a cluster of them and then ran a tetris game on the side of a 12-story tower, one monitor per pixel. That would just about justify it. :)
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
The world is converging in a non-Microsoft way. It's good to see the simple and common sense architecture of unix get so much gravity (BeOS, Mac OS X, *nix). The only thing I wish, and perhaps I say this out of ignorance, is the *nix catch up with the threading and media capabilities of "modern" operating systems.
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
Advanced Micro Devices
Microstar K7T Pro motherboard 1.0GHz
#cpus 1
Spec2000 fp Base 290
Spec2000 fp Peak 302
(just showed up recently on spec.org... still doesn't do any good without G4 results, that's true... why doesn't Motorola publish spec info on the spec website anymore? even if it is just for evaluation boards, it'd be fun to see...)
anyway, spec95 results are available for Athlon 1000 and G4 450... Athlon base FP = 29.4, G4 FP = 20.4 (not sure if it's base or peak... got the info from the CPU Info Center)
as usual, take the results for what they're worth...
I love how Linux users always call buying an OS packed along with a computer an OS tax. I hardly doubt that the MacOS is raising the price of the computer that much. In this case the OS is just another component, unlike the Wintel world.
Refrag
I have a website. It's about Macs.
So, uh, what are you using to click on buttons anyway?
My keyboard. ;-) Seriously, I do use my keyboard for most GUI tasks, including menus, navigating between windows, and a bunch of other things. Actually, for the most part, buttons and radio/check boxes are the only things I use my rodent for.
-RickHunter
(By the way, does anyone remember when Job was introducing the original iBook, and he tried to access the Apple site - and couldn't get in during the presentation? hehe)
- I don't care if they globalize against free speech. All my best free thoughts are done in my head.
Do you really think someone who writes about Apple and the Macintosh, someone who has so much to gain on a day like today, even someone so publicly wrong and potentially humiliated, would even consider shutting down their site during MacWorld New York?
Apple Legal was sending letters to websites AND the site's hosting ISP. Maybe MacJunkie's crappy ISP panicked and pulled the plug when they got the letter. Here's to freedom of the press...
Are they just decorative, or do they serve some function? It almost looks like the back/forward buttons on the Microsoft mice.
LOL you were right regarding my first language not being English, however, it's a harder language, not an easier one. Personal attacks are uncalled for.
And since you are so smart and so much superior in English, and ridiculed everything I've said, maybe you can englighten me with how long it takes for a 1 Ghz Pentium III to complete Seti@home, running whichever GUI, as long as its not command line. Yes, I realize the "superiority" of a command line which the Macs suffer from, but that's not the point right now.
Oh yeah, while I may not be the best at English, I still score in the 95th percentile or above in English proficiency tests (SAT etc), so you care to defend the rest of America and tell me why someone who's only learnt the language for less than 8 years is better at English than the vast majority of native English speakers?
http://www.apple.com/powermaccube
I don't know how many caught it, but they gave out *free* mice to those in the convention hall. Under each chair was a special 'apple' card, that entitled you to one free mouse as you left the hall.
:/ ]
- just another cosmic ray -
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Anyone using addr.com as a hosting provider has my deepest sympathy. They are atrocious.
I guess I shouldn't call them "they", because when I dealt with them, it seemed like a one-man-with-a-cell-phone operation.
Actually, now that you've mentioned that, I remember the AV series.
My high school had a couple PowerPC/6100AV's - out of the three we owned, two of the monitor connectors went bad after a couple of years.
Also, for a while there was MAC/PC monitor interoperability. This will kill that if the 'all-in-one' connector is the only connector on the new macs. It locks people into buying Apple monitors.
There's the Cube. Right there on store.apple.com. Why in the World would I want to buy that? It's smaller?
I'd like to find out, but the PDF fact sheet is Forbidden.
Blah. I'm sure it'll all be sorted out by the end of the day.
Exactly my point. How many Marketing students know the difference between RISC based PPC and CISC based Intel/AMD? (and I've read the ArsTechnica article regarding "post RISC era, hence the word "based)
;-)
Oh, and I'm an EE major, so I guess that might have something to do with it
did we just slasshdot apple?? Wow, what a prize!! Although I suspect it's us with a few million fanatics.
# debian/rules
The New iMacs are basically last year's models, the Cube is insultingly overpriced and the iBooks haven't been updated for a year now.
Not to mention the fact the dual 500Mhz G4 costs $7,498.00 and has a RAGE PRO 128!!!! The $1599 base models have only 64MB of RAM, along with almost all the iMacs. They even removed DVD from the iMac DV!
There is no expandable entry model and the Cube is pointless.
Thanks a lot Apple.
It seems that the ADC (Apple Desktop Connector), as they're calling it, is not exclusive. The old standby VGA connector is still there for older monitors. But no female AC connector like there used to be on all computers for slaving a monitor. Ohwell.
And examining some of the photos of the cube it seems that the video is on a regular AGP card (and the aforementioned ADC and VGA connectors are on that card). So all you Voodoo freaks can buy a Cube in peace. (Video card options are not in the build-to-order though.)
The question is, will ATI's MacRadeon have ADC on it?
(We may now begin confusing ADC with Apple's Developer Connection, and Apple Desktop Bus.)
Any sufficiently advanced civilization is indistinguishable from Gods.
5 - 1 + 2 = 2
5 * 1 - 2 = 3
=> 23 !
2 + 3 = 5
I've always suspected that The Steve is one of Them.
Any sufficiently advanced civilization is indistinguishable from Gods.