I've discussed this web of trust style model months ago with another programmer friend of mine, as I saw this problem before it actually arose. My thoughts were very much like the two other posters before me.
However, you are very right, this does make it easier for the RIAA, so I would imagine the only real way to fix that would be to combine this system with a freenet-style anonymizing network. This way we get the benefit of the trust system, AND we have some deniability/anonymity.
They're doing that - you're obviously getting your news only from/., which hasn't mentioned it yet. Big sharers on the Gnutella and Kazaa networks are getting RIAA and MPAA DMCA notices..
They mention at some point in the movie that the "dark side" is screwing up their force powers - remember SJ and Yoda talking? They said they couldn't tell the Senate that they were losing their powers..
Yes, I was being an ass there, I know.;> My point was that I would never pay for 128kbps, as it would be just a preview copy. They should pay me to listen to 128kbps copies, as if I can't get a higher bit rate version, I am just going to buy the CD and rip it myself.
Why would anyone pay for 128kbps? You'd be better off going to a used music store and buying cassette tapes.. It'd be cheap, and probably about the same sound quality.
128kbps. Pfft. I won't even keep FREE 128kbps tracks.
To understand this, you've got to have read a little about Bill - he's totally paranoid about competition and losing the business. The money is his personal security blankie.
This isn't so much a financial or business decision as a Bill decision.
.. As unlimited bandwidth. If any host says that to you, they are lying. Just see what happens when you actually stress that bandwidth out - it will either slow to a crawl and/or die, or the host will cut you off and/or slap additional fees on you.
Unable to possess what he saw in images beamed from halfway around the world, the teenager picked up an automatic rifle and turned his anger on his countrymen.
While this may affect Paypal, it may not affect the other processors like CCBill, IBill, etc that process for porn sites. Here's what a CCBill rep I know had to say about it on one of the webmaster boards I hang out on:
CCBill, IBill, Epoch, I believe Jettis and WSB, all fall under the PSP category now, which was adopted by Visa given the range of services and type of operations we run. We are highly regulated, even more so almost every month, and we also report to Visa (and soon to be Mastercard it appears) the URLS of all sites we process for, on a monthly basis, along with a credit/chargeback report against sales for each of those urls.
It would stand to reason that Mastercard, like Visa, wants to know who is using their card to accept payment for what, which is well within their rights as a company, and well within the mysterious and fluid agreements they have with merchant account holders.
A company like Paypal, on the other hand, runs a sort of 'virtual currency' service, which is a true aggregator and a factor on the sellers side as well. Paypal doesn't qualify to be a bank, has zero regulation on what is bought and sold with Paypal transfers at the moment (or at least no enforceable regulations) and holds an absolute shitload of consumers money in trust. Since this money is transferred as a purchase instead of a cash advance, banks not only lose out on the cash advance fee they could be charging, they also stand to be liable for that money if Paypal were to go under and consumers started asking for chargebacks.
I tend to believe her about this sort of thing, I'm not too worried. They're just moving for some more control.
Just from your comments, I'm not sure if you got my meaning. The reason I commented on prohibition was because it DIDN'T work. It was finally repealed after the public ignored it for long enough.
I also agree that the record companies needs to pull their heads out and get with it. I don't often download music because of poor rip quality, but I sure as hell would for a minor fee if the quality and availability was guaranteed.
I'm all for the free market deciding, don't get me wrong! I'd love it if they decided to actually play this like a business.
Yes, it's massively illegal. But what do you do about it when a VERY large percentage of the people that those laws serve (believe it or not, copyright law is there to serve the people, NOT the record companies) decide they're not going to abide by them anymore?
Do you pass redundant laws? Do you try to erect technical measures to stop the people? Do you start building prisons and arresting people?
No. You change the damn laws, as the people have spoken.
At least that's how it is SUPPOSED to work. Think prohibition.
I used to work for an IT company that did kiosks, specifically for the Big 3 auto makers. The one I made for them is in most US GM Dealers, and it sucks ass as it was based on an M2 (3DO 2) console.
When the XBox came out, our quite large, publically traded company asked Microsoft if we could have a dev kit so we could do kiosks on it. They refused. Apparently they weren't interested in supporting any development but games.
So, we lied and said we were going to do games on it.. 3 months later, their publisher relations guys STILL hadn't gotten back to us. I talked to Seamus through email periodically about this - great guy, but totally disconnected from the biz side of it, he was unable to help us out.
I don't know about MS, but I DO know that kiosk systems are the ONLY thing that kept the M2 alive for so long. It was stupid to blow us off, the thing is an ideal kiosk machine.
Tunevault comes immediately to mind. My brother in law has his first album on there, and a some other good up and coming independents do. Check it out.
My bro-in-law is Scott Cooper, and a goodly selection of 160kbps MP3s from his album are on there, check em out.
I also share the entire album in VBR1 on the Gnutella network, as per his wishes. He's a cool guy that way.
Check out Newspro, it's better than most binary grabbers.. I wouldn't use it for reading text newgroups, but XNews is good for that.. Newspro lets you combine headers from multiple servers. I download from my paid usenet server plus the @home servers and regularly saturate my connection at 500k/sec.. A buddy across town gets 700k/sec.
Newspro - http://www.usenetopia.com
XNews - http://xnews.3dnews.net/
Newspro is shareware, XNews is freeware.. They're both good, for different things.
There's other ways for spammers to get emails than you divulging them. I have addresses that have never been used that get hit - they guess at them.
Some mail servers are even vulnerable to attacks where the spammer connects directly and queries it for email addresses (I'd cite it, but I can't remember the exact process) - this allows the spammer to harvest GOOD addresses directly from the server.
In short - your post was useless, and he was correct to call you on it. It doesn't matter that you are spam free with good practices and some good luck, most people aren't, and your being spam free doesn't stop the spammers doing what they are doing.
The short answer - NO. Don't use them. If you recieve mail you're sure you didn't opt in to, you can't trust their remove link, so don't even try. Go to SpamCop and report the crap. The best way to remove yourself from a spam list is to shut the fsckers down.
Slashdot Mirror
Absolutely. ;>
I've discussed this web of trust style model months ago with another programmer friend of mine, as I saw this problem before it actually arose. My thoughts were very much like the two other posters before me.
However, you are very right, this does make it easier for the RIAA, so I would imagine the only real way to fix that would be to combine this system with a freenet-style anonymizing network. This way we get the benefit of the trust system, AND we have some deniability/anonymity.
Cheers,
Backov
Ah yes, it's the slashdot pedantic guy.
/. story about this.
Sorry Pedantic Guy, I got a few details wrong and didn't notice the
However, sharers ARE getting notices. AFAIK, they are DMCA notices, so maybe they are getting them from their ISPs?
In short - stick your flames up your ass.
They're doing that - you're obviously getting your news only from /., which hasn't mentioned it yet. Big sharers on the Gnutella and Kazaa networks are getting RIAA and MPAA DMCA notices..
Cheers,
Backov
They mention at some point in the movie that the "dark side" is screwing up their force powers - remember SJ and Yoda talking? They said they couldn't tell the Senate that they were losing their powers..
Cheers,
Backov
Is always called the rebels, don't you know?
Cheers,
Backov
Your argument falls apart when you take into consideration that all of the Holy Trinity were released on VHS, at least 2 times.
;>
He's delaying release for the big cash in, I think that's quite clear.
Cheers,
Backov
Yes, I was being an ass there, I know. ;> My point was that I would never pay for 128kbps, as it would be just a preview copy. They should pay me to listen to 128kbps copies, as if I can't get a higher bit rate version, I am just going to buy the CD and rip it myself.
Cheers,
Backov
Why would anyone pay for 128kbps? You'd be better off going to a used music store and buying cassette tapes.. It'd be cheap, and probably about the same sound quality.
128kbps. Pfft. I won't even keep FREE 128kbps tracks.
Cheers,
Backov
To understand this, you've got to have read a little about Bill - he's totally paranoid about competition and losing the business. The money is his personal security blankie.
This isn't so much a financial or business decision as a Bill decision.
Cheers,
Backov
.. complete twits that is.
They have their own ideas about what file sharing does to the music industry, and have expressed them at every opportunity.
Just remember Sturgeon's Law: 80% of everything is crap. (paraphrased) - this includes the RIAA execs.
Cheers,
Backov
Or can the majority of English-speaking humans not spell "rogue" or "lose" properly?
Cheers,
Backov
.. As unlimited bandwidth. If any host says that to you, they are lying. Just see what happens when you actually stress that bandwidth out - it will either slow to a crawl and/or die, or the host will cut you off and/or slap additional fees on you.
Cheers,
Backov
Lucky bastard with his automatic rifle!
Cheers,
Backov
Media is so 90s.
Cheers,
Backov
I tend to believe her about this sort of thing, I'm not too worried. They're just moving for some more control.
Cheers,
Backov
.htaccess
In other words, stop whining about hotlinking and fix your server problem. The web is full of criminals, get used to it and protect yourself.
Cheers,
Backov
Just from your comments, I'm not sure if you got my meaning. The reason I commented on prohibition was because it DIDN'T work. It was finally repealed after the public ignored it for long enough.
I also agree that the record companies needs to pull their heads out and get with it. I don't often download music because of poor rip quality, but I sure as hell would for a minor fee if the quality and availability was guaranteed.
I'm all for the free market deciding, don't get me wrong! I'd love it if they decided to actually play this like a business.
Cheers,
Backov
Yes, it's massively illegal. But what do you do about it when a VERY large percentage of the people that those laws serve (believe it or not, copyright law is there to serve the people, NOT the record companies) decide they're not going to abide by them anymore?
Do you pass redundant laws? Do you try to erect technical measures to stop the people? Do you start building prisons and arresting people?
No. You change the damn laws, as the people have spoken.
At least that's how it is SUPPOSED to work. Think prohibition.
Cheers,
Backov
I used to work for an IT company that did kiosks, specifically for the Big 3 auto makers. The one I made for them is in most US GM Dealers, and it sucks ass as it was based on an M2 (3DO 2) console.
When the XBox came out, our quite large, publically traded company asked Microsoft if we could have a dev kit so we could do kiosks on it. They refused. Apparently they weren't interested in supporting any development but games.
So, we lied and said we were going to do games on it.. 3 months later, their publisher relations guys STILL hadn't gotten back to us. I talked to Seamus through email periodically about this - great guy, but totally disconnected from the biz side of it, he was unable to help us out.
I don't know about MS, but I DO know that kiosk systems are the ONLY thing that kept the M2 alive for so long. It was stupid to blow us off, the thing is an ideal kiosk machine.
Ah well, maybe it will get some good games soon.
Cheers,
Backov
Shit! Route around the damage and stop complaining!
Translation: Bury your head in the sand and it will go away! Sorry, geek ethics won't do anything to fix the problem, buddy.
Cheers,
Backov
Tunevault comes immediately to mind. My brother in law has his first album on there, and a some other good up and coming independents do. Check it out.
My bro-in-law is Scott Cooper, and a goodly selection of 160kbps MP3s from his album are on there, check em out.
I also share the entire album in VBR1 on the Gnutella network, as per his wishes. He's a cool guy that way.
Cheers,
Backov
Check out Newspro, it's better than most binary grabbers.. I wouldn't use it for reading text newgroups, but XNews is good for that.. Newspro lets you combine headers from multiple servers. I download from my paid usenet server plus the @home servers and regularly saturate my connection at 500k/sec.. A buddy across town gets 700k/sec.
Newspro - http://www.usenetopia.com
XNews - http://xnews.3dnews.net/
Newspro is shareware, XNews is freeware.. They're both good, for different things.
Cheers,
Backov
He's a smart guy, as your insight is crap.
There's other ways for spammers to get emails than you divulging them. I have addresses that have never been used that get hit - they guess at them.
Some mail servers are even vulnerable to attacks where the spammer connects directly and queries it for email addresses (I'd cite it, but I can't remember the exact process) - this allows the spammer to harvest GOOD addresses directly from the server.
In short - your post was useless, and he was correct to call you on it. It doesn't matter that you are spam free with good practices and some good luck, most people aren't, and your being spam free doesn't stop the spammers doing what they are doing.
Cheers,
Backov
The short answer - NO. Don't use them. If you recieve mail you're sure you didn't opt in to, you can't trust their remove link, so don't even try. Go to SpamCop and report the crap. The best way to remove yourself from a spam list is to shut the fsckers down.
Cheers,
Backov