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George Lucas May Be Completely Evil
gabec writes "Sci-fi Wire is reporting a couple rumors about the changes being made to the original Star Wars trilogy for its next release. That being that Natalie Portman may be being inserted into Episode VI: Return of the Jedi and that universally reviled Jar Jar Binks may be being inserted into Episode IV: A New Hope. May The Force forbid." Mind you this is reported as rumor, but it's so unsurprisingly possible...
You're like abused wives. You keep coming back for more, even though it hurts.
who wants to see the exact same movies re-released anyway? Just rent the tapes....
A modern day witchhunt.
Didn't Leia say, "She died when I was very young." Wait, they're not going to make her a jedi-ghost, are they?
As soon as Lucas said he was waiting for the new three to be released before putting the originals on DVD, I said he was going to do this. What will it be called, Super Special Edition? Speciai Edition Pro? 32-Bit Special Edition Turbo?
I'm not sure if this is even a good idea.
It might work for continuity purposes (in George Lucas' mind), but frankly, most Star Wars fans prefer Episodes IV-VI to be as unchanged as possible even after Episode III is released. Lucas will be accused to overtinkering with the first Star Wars trilogy, and that won't win him friends among old-time Star Wars fandom, that's to be sure.
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Jar-Jar is not UNIVERSALLY reviled: the Galactic Senate heartily approved of his proposal to grant Emp^H^H^HChancellor Palpatine emergency powers! Heck, even Anakin seems to like Jar-Jar, and we know what a hothead he can be. Don't you think Anakin would have dismembered Jar-Jar at the first opportunity if JJB was REALLY so reviled?
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So this means that our beloved RotJ is going to be ruined by annoying creatures added in to appeal to the kids? Nooooooo!
Next thing you know, he'll follow it up with a movie called Jar Jar : The Battle for Naboo, which'll be inane, cute and a travesty of... oh, wait.
Personally, I like the idea of this. It helps tie all 6 movies together and makes them seem like the series they are supposed to be. I mean, its not like he's totally changing the movie like he did with ANH and the Greedo scene.
...make changes to his own movie!
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...Padime (Natalie Portman) will still look exactly the same. Thank god (an Lucas, I guess) for artistic lisence!
"Ask not what your country can do for you." --John F. Kennedy
However, Lucas just didn't figure out that he should've quit while he was ahead. So we get bullshit like Episode I. What an utter disappointment. That was the last new Star Wars movie that I'll ever be tricked into seeing. What remains is only the manifestation of Lucas's desire to ride the wave of merchandising income driven by the sheer inertia of the franchise. The only people that I really see as enjoying the new breed of Star Wars movies are those who are in denial of its poor quality, those who refuse to believe that the best days of their favorite Sci-Fi adventure series is behind them.
Sorry, folks. All good things must come to an end.
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Why is he altering the originals? To screw with our collective mind? It's like removing words from the dictionary in 1984. He is a very bad man, IMHO.
They are George's movies and he can do with them what he wants.
If he choses to destroy the 'image' in our eyes he can - he's the artist, not us.
I don't get it... why would Lucas insert new scenes into movies 30 years old. It seems a long way to go to cover his ass in terms of plot dependencies... I thought he had it all planned out anyway?!
I can't see how this will help the story anyway, as a previous poster said, how is he going to release them anyway? On some vastly expensive DVD boxed set I'd imagine.
Nah, my advice, leave the second part of the trilogy well alone... you've already mucked up the first!
fixing what's wrong with Episodes I & II. I'm sure there's more extra footage around, and it wouldn't be too hard to shore up the plot in those two installments. I would pay to see The Phantom Edit on the big screen, and I'm sure we could even completely replace Jake Droid with a more lifelike computer animation.
Certainly the "oops . . . I just blew up a fleet" scene could be repaired.
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Lucas is saying he deliberately left blank areas on the screen for these characters since 25 years ago he didn't know who would be cast, but he knew exactly where he wanted to put them. Much like he's known the whole story of the 6 movies all along...
be naked and pertified ?
If yes, then George Lucas is not evil but a Saint.
If we are really lucky, he'll insert some hot grits, too.
That gives it away.
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Sounds like an attempt to find people within Lucasville who leak info to the media.
I mean really StarWars was amazing in the 70's and got progressively worse. Then after a 20 year absence we get the pathetic Episode I. I have yet to waste my money on Episode II (my 10 year old sister could have come up with a better name than Attack of the Clones).
This is sad really because technology was no longer a constraint. Unfortunately the StarWars series is now all fluff.
I didn't even know that Lucas was going to revise episodes four through six. Is he going to release them again, in *another* special remastering, with all new footage? Isn't that blatent cash cow behaviour anyway?
If someone has any info on this, I'd be much oblidged if they posted the links below...
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But the last rumor I had heard was that jar jar wasn't even supposed to be in episode 2. Remember all the controversy, "jar jar is a racial slang" stuff? I was surprized to see him in episode 2 because of all the public outcry from the first one. At least they gave him a small roll, and had him do an epicly stoopid thing. Maybe we will get to see his excecution in episode VI.
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I wish that you people would at least *think* before you post online rumors like this one. Jar Jar in Episode 4? It takes place 30 years after Episode 3 ends, and the Gungans have a life span of only 25 years (from Episode 1). And where could Portman get worked into the plot of Jedi? There are no lines in the whole movie that reference a mother figure, only "I am your father". If anywhere, it would be in Empire, where Luke is talking to Obi Won, asking about his parents and finds out about his sister.
Personally, I liked most of the changes and enhancements of the "Special Editions" (except for Greedo shooting first).
I thought it was great they Jabba was added to A New Hope, and I look forward to seeing Natalie Portman in Return of the Jedi, but pleeeeease no more Jar Jar.
That being that Natalie Portman may be being inserted into Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
If I where lucas, I'd do any kind of inserting with Portman that she'd let me.
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Holy Shit! My life is no longer worth living! Entire belief system being torn from core...
Aghhh!
who fucking cares.
CGI and animation technology have come a long way since 1976, when Star Wars was first released. Sure, they are epic tales of love and death--but they need a little spice. I think it's a good idea to go back and touch them up in the slow spots. For instance, Chewbacka wasn't a necessary plot element and wasn't funny, either. Why not digitally replace him with the kid-pleasing Jar Jar?
George Lucas actually _listened_ to the fans and the complaints about EP1.
... I'll leave that search to the SW purists.
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Jar Jar featured far less promenently in EP2. I can only hope that he is keeping him around for EP3 to promenently feature his exploding death.
He also did not feature any nameless boy bands in EP2 AFAICT. Not that he couldn't have snuck them in somewhere still
Too bad he didn't listen to the other suggestions of getting someone else to write the dialog (like he did in TESB)
...that wants to eliminate copyrights so ANYONE can make changes like this on a whim?
Yeah, count my vote on that one.
before all you can find are the "improved" version! Time to go fire up gnutella and start looking for A New Hope . . .
I'll be fine with Jar Jar in Episode IV if his appearance is for 3 seconds as a drunk in the bar on Tatooine who gets killed just as Luke & Co are walking in to look for a pilot.
It was bad enough that he stopped making great movies. Now he wants to go back and make the great movies worse.
At least it levels the playing field somewhat.
Hold on to those only-slightly-enhanced VHS trilogy releases.
Provided its done right, and doesnt change the story, this might be a good thing. It will help to seamlessly blend the two trilogies without the glaring continuity problems that will inevitably crop up. A quick scene to explain why no one recognises the droids (maybe Owen Larrs confiding that he thinks they look familiar when he buys them, but dismissing it that when you've seen one R2 unit you've seen them all) or some shots of Jimmy Smits on Alderon just before this shit hits the fan might do wonders for interlinking two stories that were clearly not very well thought out to begin with.
Of course, this is with the proviso that he offers the originals AS WAS and UNTOUCHED on the DVDs, and that the extra scenes are simply an optional extra.
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Can they just do a classic version so I can see Star Wars like it was when I saw it in the drive in movie theatre in 1977. My VHS copies are getting a little spotty from old age.
Man maybe he could UNDO some of the changes in the Special Editions. 1. REALLY REALLY BAD CG Jabba the hut.. the one in E1 looked much better 2. Grebo should not look like he is shooting Han, there is reson enough to off him with out making him look like a bad shot. 3. Change all the Ewoks into little Wookies? 4. Improve the aim of the storm troupers who seem to get REALLY dumb in Empire and Return What ever he does good or bad you know if it is a Star Wars movie it will make lots of money.
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I think that Han Solo will take one look at Jar Jar Binks and blow his head clean off with his laser pistol. Anyone else?
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"Mind you this is reported as rumor, but it's so unsurprisingly possible... " This certainly is a give away, but I just got one of those ice-cream headaches when I saw this. Why does Lucas think that it's ok to distort the past. I guess he doesn't understand the meaning of a "Classic", I mean how can something be said to "stand the test of time", if we don't leave it alone?
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I think I'd be happy with this news if they decide to replace the alien that was bullying Luke with Jar Jar, and instead of Obiwan cutting off his arm he decides to rid the Star Wars universe of him once and for all:
JJ: "Meesa wanted man in 12 systems!!!"
Luke: "I'll be careful"
JJ: "Yousa be dead like a da Gungans!!!"
(swoosh! - lops off his head)
You're like abused wives. You keep coming back for more, even though it hurts.
The parent will probably end up at -1 flamebait pretty soon, but it's actually an appropriate sentiment.
If you don't like what Lucas has done or is going to do (Episode 7 anyone?), just give your money to someone else. Break the cycle. His ego is such that he doesn't care if people hate Jar Jar or any of his other silly CGI insertions. AotC will make him millions and episode 3 will make him millions more, regardless. Just let it be and go focus in on other movies and moviemakers. They'll appreciate your 10$ more than Lucas ever will, I'm sure.
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I'm ambivalent about this move. Natalie Portman==good. Jar Jar Binks==bad. If he stopped at Natalie Portman, I would have said he's a saint, but Jar Jar Binks! I'm not so sure...
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But she isn't (contrary to popular belief) and George Lucas isn't going to do this. Move along people.
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This could raise interesting questions for the time-evolution of myths/stories/cultural commonalities. Usually a movie like Star Wars would have a limited lifetime until people got bored of it, and succeeding generations either would or would not pick it up again as being applicable to their life and time (see the Spiderman vs. Star Wars post from a few days ago). But if movies are altered not just to spice up the special effects but to actually alter the plot, there's potential for significant change in plot or even theme. Then "Star Wars" is no longer one movie, or three movies, or six movies plus digital enhancements of the first three. Suddenly it becomes a whole spectrum of stories, with the state of the Star Wars saga in, say, 2006 being potentially totally different from the state of the Star Wars saga in 1995 or even 2002. Comparison of the individual movies with their potentially-to-be-released enhancements could be interesting from the standpoint of what this says about our culture's evolution.
i think that the episodes 4 5 and 6 should be redone, with someone other than two coke addicts in the lead roles (mark hammil and carrie fischer) and put in some more of the newly choreographed fight scenes which are ow so tastey none of that shit between luke and vader, as lucas called the fight, between an untrained boy and a cripple! haha
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I might skip watching the SW's movies...they've gotten "lazy" in the creativity department anyway.
First I want to say that any lengthy insert would be a disaster. I think their is no argument at all on that subject.
I can , however, see where a small insert would be helpfull to the story line. Something like a shot of jar jar watching luke meet obiwan and saying "the circle starts again" or something similar IANASW( I am not a script writer). A small item to help tie the first three with the next three. With the way that these movies were filmed, in reverse order, Something like this may be necesary to make them feel as a whole series again.
The other possibility is that he needs to add elements to tie the last three to the middle three. For an example having queen amadala show in return to say that she was never gone but hiding out and once the emporer is defeated we need to go do this. He may have excluded these parts in the original filming becuase it would have created a cliff hanger in the movie that would not be resolved for 30 to 40 years. Now he can add it and start the work, striving for a completed nine movies over three sets of three.
The point is a little dash of extra may not be so bad, have to see it to judge. Let's just hope this is not done as some marketting stunt to get us all buy the movies AGAIN.
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Since Lucas claims to be waiting for the current trilogy to be complete before releasing IV, V, and VI on DVD, it looks like we'll end up being stuck with the latest and greatest bastardization of the originals. Time to invest in a laser disc player.
Maybe there will be a hidden feature that will let you play the movie in the original, uncut version.
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How dare he ruin the series by making changes to it after it was released.
Ooh a new halflife patch!
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the more lucas goes on the more he defiles star wars... i'm hanging onto my vhs copies of the original-originals... when will the insanity end?
If they're doing all of this revision, I hope JarJar officially goes over to the Dark side and becomes kind of a mini-me to Vader. Call him Darth JarJar. In Episode IV - Death Star Officer to Vader - "(insert new footage of JarJar)The two of you...are the last of the Jedi Order...later, ObiWan can fight BOTH a digitally inserted JarJar and Darth at the same time in a two-on-one fight like in Ep 1. Etc, Etc, the possibilities are endless...
But he shouldn't be surprised if the audience does not accept the revised work
Oh yeah, how much do you want to bet that these DVDs with new footage will sell like hotcackes ?
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In an interview with Maxim, George Lucas said that if he rereleased the old Star Wars trilogy, that it would be just to get it to a new generation. (Meaning: no new footage.)
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I imagine, Naboo will be renamed to Alderaan. Also, just to piss everyone off, Darth Vader will kill Anaken and Darth Sidous will kill Palpatine. Episodes 4-6 are waiting to be remade...
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You know, I hear that if you cross the International Date Line thrice, backwards, at the equator, and then find the proper site in Taiwan, you can get a copy of Episode 3 before Lucas has a chance to mess it up...
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Inserting Amidala/Padmé into the other films wouldn't do anything but confuse fans, offering nothing in the way of the story. Same goes for Jar Jar, only adding suffering to fans.
I do hope, after E III they run IV thru VI in theaters again. Preferably in the summer after E III comes out, it would be cool to watch I (even w/Jar (ugh) Jar) and II at home then III through VI at the theater. I'd be there. 8^)
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Good Job!
lucas is to film as gates is to software.
excessively meddling and tainting
JJB reminds me of that stupid fucking paperclip in word. they both need to be shot. i cannot wait to see the assanation of JJB in the senate in ep3.
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Can Return of the Jedi be any worse? There was some cool stuff in the movie, but of the four Star Wars films I've seen Episode VI comes in at a distant third behind IV, which lost to Episode V by a nose. I haven't seen episode II yet, sacrelige I know...
Filmmakers need to stop screwing around with their films. It's one thing to add scenes that were deleted, but the changes made to Episode IV, and E.T are unforgiveable. I for one was satisfied with the world where Han Solo shots first, and Elliot's mom thought his costume made him look like a terrorist.
I understand the director of To Kill a Mockingbird is going to release a version with an all white cast to remove the racial overtones of the film.
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That he is now able to bring the original three films closer to this vision, I think, is wonderful. It may inspire others who were limited by budget and technology to go make re-releases of their films. Good example: ET
I understand the arguments of the purist who would prefer to leave things as they are. I think the people who made ET got it right - they made the DVD with both the completely un-retouched version and the 'updated' version that is closer to the creator's vision.
to get good ideas from millions of fans.
Here is my addition to those scripts:
don't touch the original trilogy, write a new script and do episodes 7, 8 and 9.
american director are too lazy when it comes to stories: sequels and re-make.
I thought Jar Jar dies in Ep III. Maybe now he is just lobotamized and he forgets to shave. No more "Meesa please", just growls and undiscernable barks. Jar Jar is dead, long live Jar Jar!
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Great news, I can just see Jar Jar in Episode IV: A New Hope . . . . "Me sa Jar Jar Binks" 'pause' "Whos sa you be?" 'enter Darth Vader' "Me sa Darth Vader, Me sa get rid of you once and for all!!!" I hope this is how it turns out
It wouldn't be surprising if LUCass decides to redo the original trilogy.... again. It'd mean more green in his pockets. Consider: A New Hope (or just Star Wars as it was called back then), had a re-release in theaters just after it's original run. All three of the original films were re-released as 'special' editions in 1997, supposedly to hype the forthcoming prequel trilogy. The number of VHS incarnations of the original trilogy: There were the original releases, all with different box covers. There was the black box THX classic version. There was the Gold box Special Edition (and silver box for wide screen). There was the Special Edition White box (and it's wide screen cousin), which contained Episode 2 film. The black box and gold box also had official laserdisc releases(the originals may have as well, I'm not aware of them though). On top of just the film releases, there's the countless action figures, Expanded Universe books(and audio books), lunchboxes, comic books, sound tracks, costumes, high dollar collectibles, and everyone's favorite, the Jar-Jar shaped eraser. The almighty dollar was the Phantom Menace behind episode one, but e2 suffers from Lucas' loss of touch with this nice little thing called story-telling. We should have seen the loss of ability coming, especially with some of the changes made in the 'special' editions of the original trilogy, the most glaring in A New Hope. (The worst being the infamous 'Greedo shooting first' fiasco, and the totally unnecessary addition of Boba Fett to the film). Many people say Lucas has fallen in love with special effects, I think he's fallen in love with greed.
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At least this opens the possibility that Lucas could redo Episode I.
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Lucas wants to erase the cultural memory that the first film was good, the second better, and it all went into the toilet after that.
Having learned from the previous Special Editions that it is possible to make a good film worse, he will now bring all the films to the same level of quality, thus shutting down any future debates over which movies were worse than the others.
Unfortunately, his benchmark for quality seems to be that late-70's made-for-TV Wookie holiday special.
Besides, re-editing the original films could make them better, you know (it worked for the video/cable release of Battlefield Earth. Right?)
May I suggest a change of motto?
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the only purpose i can imagine for putting padme in rotj would be to include her in the "ghost revue" along with yoda, obiwan, and anakin. although i don't know how that would work as she's not a jedi.
Portman replaces Leia in the slave outfit. Not that I thought Fisher wasn't hot, but now we get to see Portman as well!
Portman re-enacts the scenes that Fisher was too coked-out to do well...think about it, folks...
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What will it be called, Super Special Edition? Speciai Edition Pro? 32-Bit Special Edition Turbo?
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That's why Lucas is doing this... for the $$$$$.
Why not do it? By re-releasing the original trilogy, not only does he get a chance to make a pile of dough from those who were babies (or not even born) when the original come out, but he also gets to do it for a fraction of the cost of three new movies. Then by throwing in a bit of fluff, he figures that he'll also be able to attract older people who have already seen the movie before.
The dark side has and always will be (greed for)money. Pure and simple.....
Once done with all 6 edisodes, he would go back and make themed versions. Say, replace the Ewoks with Cabbage Patch kids! Or switch the Gungans with the stormtroopers. R rated version with topless Portman and Fisher (maybe even in the same scene!). Star Wars: The Celebrity Version- latest boy band as Jedis, latest girl singer as lead female, couple of rappers as bad guys, etc. My favorite switch would be to switch Admiral Ackbar with Captain Picard, but leave the voice the same.
On topic- Lucas has always said he thinks of movies as never being done, they are abandoned. Though I think one can end up tinkering too much and screwing up (Jedi's new end song didn't do it for me).
Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
He is more machine now than man. Twisted and evil.
It's another revision to buy.
Soemone on Aint It Cool News replied with the fact that The Hobbit was also re-written to fill in gaps in the story with Lord of the Rings.
The Hitch Hiker's series was the same way... And god knows how many other works of fiction. This is lucas' grand opus(like, howard the duck wasn't), and if he wants to make changes, then dammit, let him make them.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
At the very least, the new trilogy would have to include "The Return of the Return of the Jedi".
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I like the idea, personally (as long as I have already bought my unadulterated copies).
What I find most compelling about the idea is the ability for the movie industry to release a film and then correct errors in later editions. If a scene makes no sense or an actor sucks dead air, why not use Lucas' cinematic magic wand to correct or delete the problem in version 2.0?
Now for homework, I want everybody to think of the top edit they would make to an already released film. Personally, I would have made the Titanic sink within the first 10 minutes of the movie. Wishful thinking....
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Re-release AOTC with JarJar killing Aniken and
taking his place
with new integrated scenses - they're part of the script, they can't be removed.
Well, Duh!!!!
I'm just glad that my wide screen Laser Discs of the Trilogy are still in perfect condition.
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This is a dumb article. Its rumor mongering, not "News for Nerds". I guess it must be a slow news day or something.
According to this article John Williams is already working on changing the scores to the original trilogy. One of the changes is adding the Imperial March to ANH.
Maybe he'll turn the light sabers into walkie talkies like in E.T.
Jar-Jar sure aint "UNIVERSALLY" reviled. .
Hasn't anyone seen the Simpsons episode where the comic store clerk goes to sleep with a life-sized Jar-Jar doll saying "Oh Jar-Jar, no one loves you but me..."
Groening couldn't have been more correct there...
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Id like to insert some hot grits into Natalie Portman. But seriously I hope I never see another Star wars movie after the insipid movie Attack of the Clones
" So we get bullshit like Episode I"
Episode 1 was the original star wars movie. The Episode 4 crap came after Lucas figured out there was big money in it.
But make no mistake, the movie that's out now is episode 5. Unless you forget what's really happening and only remember what Lucas want you to.
Baa! Baa!
The movies are the sole intellectual property of GEORGE LUCAS. They do not belong to you. They do not belong to the fans. They do not belong to the merchandisers. They belong to LucasFilm, which in turn belongs to George Lucas.
These six movies are a saga. They tell a long, complex story with lots of twists and turns. When Lucas comes up with what he thinks is a good idea, he puts it in the mix. If he has to change a couple of things around to fit it in, he does. Big deal. It's not like he's going to change his mind on Darth Vader being Luke's father.
He can do whatever he wants with his movies, and personally I think he's doing a fantastic job. All six movies will fit together as a cohesive whole when it's all said and done.
This ain't Shakespeare, folks. Even Tolkien went back and corrected some continuity problems after LotR was published. So get over it.
Binks was a necessary part of Palpatine's plan. He's served his purpose. I don't think we'll be seeing much of him after all this. Binks is EVIL, I tells ya! EEEEEVIL! (I just want attention!)
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I wish I couldn't remember anything form the first trilogy either!
Seriously, though ... it reminds me of one of the Chritopher Reeve Superman movies, where Superman erases Lois' memory, so she won't know for the sequel. Stupid then, stupid now.
George, why couldn't you have died in the 80s and left us imagining how great the movies could have been?
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
... this is not the special edition your looking for - move along.
Jar-Jar will get a cameo appearance as a stew-bum in the Mos-Eisly cantina. Maybe Lucas can have him lick someone's boots clean for a drink, like Alan Dean Foster had some miserable alien do in Splinter of the Mind's Eye.
I guess I'll take really good care of my DVD-R backups from The Star Wars Trilogy Definitve Collection Laser Disc set. The laser discs can still be found on eBay occasionally (prices are high though). Get them while they last :-)
These new rumoured DVDs clearly aren't the discs you are looking for. Move along.
Personally, I don't care what he does to his movie. The sad part for me is that all the work done on restoring footage and reworking original soundtracks is all thrown into these modified special editions. The _original_ films now only exist as worn VHS tapes. The first special editions were different; not necessarily better, but different. Any further rounds of modification will be different still.
It's sad that the original films have become lost to consumers, and presumably will stay lost. How about if he releases the original, restored (but unaltered) movies on DVD first. Then he's free to add Jar Jar, Natalie Portman, Samuel Jackson, Matt LeBlanc or whoever the hell else he wants to Episodes IV-VI.
Having finally bothered to rent Episode 1 I don't get the Jar Jar fiasco. How is he more offensive than the planet of the teddy bears in 3? Lucas should be nailgunned to a chair and forced to watch LOTR until he can make movies without marketing tie-ins (like THX)
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Yoda tells Luke that he trained Vader, that Vader was his student when so far that doesn't seem to be the case.
My only problem is that I think some of Eps II that hit the cutting room floor and the short span of digital recording time made the actors seem horrible.
If things get inserted smoothly and correct then it's okay.
Maybe she isn't a ghost, maybe she talks to them and they don't know it or something... she's underground?
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edition? How many of these can he do? He's already done how many special releases of the 1st trilogy on VHS? 3? 4? And none of those on DVD, yet he has done Ep 1 on DVD.
I know he's said he's waiting for all 3 new movies to come out before the original's are available on DVD but this just kinda sucks.
Ep 2 will be available on DVD by itself, then Ep 3. Then he will release all 3 as a box set with special commemorative features. Then the first 3 will be released individually, then as a box set suped up with special features for them. Then he'll release a massive box set with all the special features plus some.
If something like this happens which I'm sure it will, the fans would have spent somewhere close to...well I don't know how much, but a hell of a lot...for all of it if you want to see the extra stuff.
Lucas is evil. Actually this sounds like something Pitr from userfriendly.org would do.
Abiit, excessit, evasit, erupit.
In an age of dynamic websites and self-configuring computer games (e.g., NetHack), why should movies stay static over time? I, for one, think that the possibilities in altering movies to adapt and add new and interesting ideas is an excellent one!
Movies are the modern theater for the masses. Theater, though, is staged and restaged. You think of a better way to cut Hamlet on stage? A more interesting spin on Oedipus? Go for it. The actors play the parts different, the costumes change, and so forth, and sometimes wholesale change in the dialogue is ordered. But people don't seem to get that pissed off that Ran is different than King Lear, because the differences are half the interest.
If we can reconfigure movies, cutting and mixing them like music to create new and interesting variations that strengthen the original material or take it into new directions, then why shouldn't we. People like techno remixes of songs, why shouldn't we also get remixes of movies?
The obvious point of difference, of course, is that Lucas is trying to turn a quick buck off a probably-simplistic remix. When the tools to do this sort of thing are in the hands of the people (and they become so, more and more), then the real interesting remixes will happen.
But why not use some old footage and a powerful computer to make our own remixes of Chewie beating the crap out of Jar-Jar? Or of Princess Leia and Padme Amidala snapping on their lightsabers to battle, side by side, the Borg (crossover remix).
That Lucas will generate another Greedo-firing-first crapmix shouldn't discredit the inherent coolness of the idea.
I just like that Episode II finally proves incontrovertably that Jar Jar is EVIL... It's all his fault: the empire, the storm troopers, vader, everything! It was his vote...
The Star Wars movies should have been released in the proper order in the first place.
But, since they have to do this then it's perfectly reasonable to add in a link or two to the prior movies. Much like they added in a not-so-fat Java-the-Hut in Episode 4. Besides, there will most likely be a regular version and director's cut of extended scene section on the DVDs so that you can actually play both movie versions. Terminator 2 had a setting for the regular film and one for the film with extra scenes smoothly added in.
John S
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AICN also reported a wild rumor that the reviled computer-animated character Jar Jar Binks may wind up in a new, revised version of Episode IV.
In this version, Han does shoot Greedo first, but misses and hits Jar Jar, causing the Gungan to explode into pixelated goo.
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I am assuming you read some of the stuff above in the books. Which books have the Skywalker children?
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That's spelled "Padme". In fact, it technically has an accent, as thus (assuming it comes out under "plain text" Slashdot posting):
. ..and read the title of the page.
Padmé
If the accent doesn't come out, goto:
http://www.cupidx-corp.com/pafanlisting/
I haven't even heard rumours yet that Episode 6 was being made. I have however heard it's not being made at all, ever. Any total looser can make up rumours, but only a talking dog can insult them.
Ace
Am I the only one who doesn't find her beautiful? I mean she's just your average girl. There's nothing extraordinary about her looks.
Why NOT modify movies? People love it when their MMORPGs get updated...
People, get a grip fercryinoutloud! Binks is nothing more than a collection of binary bits!! Stick him in a blender, and you'd end up with a digital frappe' instead of guts. Gut him, and you'd end up with a bucket of random photons.
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He/It/Whatever is NOT WORTH IT. Save your bellyaching for something worthwhile. Perhaps the misuse of
I'm still waiting for the special collector's edition that talked
about with Princess Leia dancing naked on a desktop.
But what about people's memory? Like Uncle Lois Lars, C3PO lived with him up until his mother died! Then he buys him and doesn't even notice? Fat chance. Unless HE had HIS memory erased.
I think just maybe Darth would remember him at some point as well...
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say they remember being born.
All instances of Chewbacca will be digitally edited out and then replaced with Jar Jar.
The funniest and most on target AOTC analysis I've seen:
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http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002
I've been very disappointed by both new films (Episode I and II) and would not be one bit sad if they decided to can Episode III. I may never look at the two most recent films as part of the Star Wars saga. But, please George, for the love of all that is holy, don't F--- with the originals anymore.
Where do you guys get off saying that George has no idea what he's doing? Maybe you don't remember the big Chewbacca uproar when he continued to apprear in the 5th and 6th episodes. The riots subsided only after Jedi went to video and people were allowed to fast forward through his scenes.
JarJar is for the kids that don't care about the "story" like we do. So what if he's lame, my kid let's me watch StarWars whenever I want! That's not an event easily duplicated with a 3 year old.
Mr. Lucas has brought us countless hours of quality entertainment. I realize that this crowd is a "little" more critical than most others, but why point out the single character mistake when you never think twice about the brilliance of any of the other character choices.
Of course, what do I know? I took the StarWars sheets off my bed when I turned 12 and I probably misspelled Chewy's name!
When Star Tours first hit Disneyland, I thought it was a great idea, since the big hype was the ability to change films and freshen up the ride regularly. Well, it's been something like ten years and the ride is dusty, poorly maintained, and they still haven't tried to put a new film in the thing. If it takes having the shuttle land on top of Jar Jar to freshen up what's otherwise a great ride, so be it. It is a shame, though, that they (Disney/Lucus) has this ability to change out the films and they never bothered with it.
"Prepare for the worst - hope for the best."
Here's an idea.
Remember the scene where Greedo confronts Han in the cantena. Now we all know that in the original Star Wars, Han shoots first, but for the "special edition", Greedo shoots first, and his shot hits the wall next to Han.
Imagine Jar Jar sitting next to Han. Greedo shoots first, blowing Jar Jar's head off. Han shoots second, killing Greedo.
Everyone wins.
Maybe in Episode 6, we could see Qui-Gonn Jinn's ghost next to Yoda, Obi-Wan and Anakin.
There might be a discrepancy, as I hear in the books that the ghost fades away into the force years later, Qui-Gonn might be too late...
The source is Harry Knowles at Aint It Cool News. We already had this debate. Harry has become(literally) a big fat troll who is far more concerned with having his jumbo sized ego stroked by Hollywood than with anything so trite as objectivity or accuracy. He'd happily report that Jar Jar skullfucks Aunt Beru if he thought it'd buy him another ounce of mystique and geek cachet.
These aren't the spoilers you're looking for. You can go about your business. Move along.
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How is he going to fit Binks into Episode 4? Is it going to be like that scene from Jar Jar's Walking Papers?
(As Luke and Kenobi approach the spaceport, cut to the cantina interior)
JAR JAR: "Chewbaccasah, meesa you fatha."
Chewbacca: "*RRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH*"
I found it interesting. It didn't kill the painting, the meaning was still there. But it showed the technique, showed the decisions.
Sure, Lucas screwed up parts of the story, his talent isn't really in written storytelling. But that's cool, I accept that. And I see value in seeing where the story goes, and the mistakes he made.
Regarding the "Jar Jar issue":
It's pretty obvious that alot of what Georgie boy did in episode I was pandering to the pre teen audience in order to maximize the toy market.
So how do the sales figures stack up for episode I toys vs the earlier movies for the same range of years since release? Has it paid off? Was it worth it?
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
What of the other people?
You buy second hand droids all your life and replace them when they hose on you. Unless you developed a relationship with the droids (like Luke Artoo and Threepio) are you really going to remember that the first protocal droid he ever had in his possesion was c3po?
Or is it more likely that after 20+ years he's going to look at a standard protocal droid (they all look alike after all) and go "Hrmm...I owned one of these once...If it's like the other It should be able to talk to binary evaporators"
Hell, after 20 years I didn't remember half the people I went to school with at the last reunion.
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Now that people can make there "personal edits" on their home PCs (as several did the SW:TPM) using iMovie and the like, its only a matter of time before all six movies are cut together. You could rearange to your hearts content. Some ideas:
(1) A collage of all the space and land chase scenes.
(2) A collage of all the light saber battles.
(3) Put all the character development in temproral order, though you may be hard pressed to assemble more than 15 minutes of this.
(4) A tour of the star wars planets.
(5) A tour of the star wars races.
(6) A documentary on Jedi history.
(7) A remake of Dune, since Lucas borrowed heavily from Herbert.
Reminds me of a story here not too long ago about web news stories and such being updated after they were posted. In the future the past will be continually changing. Same as yesterday and today, only more so.
Perhaps if fair use isn't totally oblviated we will be able to tinker with our own copies of things as well. Image your personalized version of Episode I where, while helping Anakin tune his racer, Jar Jar makes a mistake. And get his head blown completely off, thus silencing him forever.
Let's face it, the moment "Attack of the Clones" hits the video market someone's going to be chopping out the annoying C-3PO "comedy" bits. Any changes that Lucas makes to the originals will find themselves weeded out just as quickly by the die-hard fans. Along those lines, I'd like to be the first to suggest the naming scheme for the impending fan edits:
Episode I: The Phantom Edit
Epidose II: Attack of the Edit
Episode III: TBA
Episode IV: A New Edit
Episode V: The Edit Strikes Back
Episode VI: The Return of the Edit
And of course Portman is going to end up a glowing ghost beside Anakin, Obi-Wan and the little green dude. Heck, it wouldn't surprise me if Lucas digitally inserts (a suitably make-up aged) Hayden Christensen instead of the guy who's playing Anakin now. Long story short--don't worry about it. The technology is there and the devout Star Wars afficiandos (you know, the guys who make their own vacuum-formed stormtrooper armour?) will have a definitive FAN-tastic version circulating out on the Net before you know it.
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You probably heard this one before. Just to be sure for those who haven't heard it... According to Dark Horizons news (5/29/2002), it said:
:)
Star Wars: Episode VII: After recent speculation based on what sounded like a misinterpreted quote, George Lucas has finally and clearly ruled out further adventures after 'Jedi'. Lucas told Infobeat that he had PREVIOUSLY CONSIDERED the idea but has since canned it totally - "I thought it might be fun to bring Carrie (Fisher) and Mark (Hammill) and Harrison (Ford) back when they're 65 and make another movie with them. But I'm going to be over 60 when I finish this and it takes 10 years to do a trilogy. I'm not going to spend my last 10 years doing Star Wars".
I am fine with the six movies.
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A long lost relative that you have never heard of shows up. Your family gets to know him and everyone hates him, but you like him so much that you decide to airbrush him into all of your 35mm family reunion footage. You, being the official family archivist.
If I was in that family, I'd change my name.
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...What makes Natalie Portman so "hot."
She's not, IMHO, as gorgeous as everyone makes her out to be. She has "Girl next door" appeal. That's about it. They ruined that by making her wear gratuitously and pointlessly slutty outfits in the film, instead of adding something to the feel of the movie by dressing her as the dignitary she supposedly is.
Besides, being attractive doesn't make up for being terrible at acting. Her performance in Episode 2 was wooden, at best.
Jar-Jar and Bail Organa looking up at the ominous new star in the heavens.
Jar-Jar: "Issa thata new moona, Bail Organa?"
CUT TO Death Star interior as the Planet Pulverizer(TM) fires and hits Alderaan.
CUT TO Jar-Jar binks being hidiously vaporized on Alderaan in a cruel twist of fate for giving the empire its power.
So you see, people, it might not be that bad...
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I guess we'll all have to run out and buy "Star Wars: A New Hope, Extra-Special Edition, Director's Cut". How many versions of the film are there now?
Something's getting inserted somewhere all right.
=brian
Lucas should update all the Light-sabre duels, too. As it stands, the Jedi apparently lose their elite close-combat skills over time (e.g. Ben Kenobi & Anakin's sabre-play in E2: AOTC versus Ben Kenobi's and Darth's duel in E4: ANH -- whummmp .... whummmmp... whump-screesh.... whummmmp.)
Whore of bloody hell!
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Here folks is a big argument for shorter term copyrights. George Lucas can now go back and alter the original Start Wars to include a major nude scene with Jar Jar, and then cease distribution of the older untouched edition. Eventually that original version will cease to be with no efforts to maintain it and archive it properly.
If copyright was for a shorter period, the original star wars could be restored from existing copies and maintained. As it is now, large pieces of our cultural history can be easily left to decay on the cutting room floor because of the whims of the copyright owner, who in many cases is no longer the person that actually produced the work.
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That was never in the plans, even back in the seventies. Ain't gonna happen.
I'd like to "insert" jar jar binks into a wood chipper.
Then "insert" my tool into natalie.
A friend of mine pointed out something I thought was really funny. George started out in the role of Luke Skywalker, a small rebel fighting a giant. He's now become the emperor, a greedy old man telling everyone else that what he wants is what everyone should do. I think the thing that made the origionals so good was that it was Lucas and a bunch of friends and equals working on a movie. Now it's Lucas and a bunch of people who he can fire if he doesn't like what they think.
Science may someday discover what faith has always known.
Now, all we need is a CGI Peter Cushing with a CGI Lucas beard and flannel shirt. . . .
What in the world are you talking about? Do your nurses realize you're out of your cell again?
"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots." - George Bush
It's Christmas/Kwanzaa/Hannukah 2002!
Uncle George has a special treat for us! A new Star Wars Christmas Special!
We get to visit Jar Jar's family and watch his wife cook and his father whack off to Gungan pr0n. There's a musical number by N'Stynk, an animated short featuring Fett pere et fils, and Bea Arthur reprises her role as the cantina owner.
Happy Life Day!!! Actiof figures for everyone!!!
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Maybe Lucas is going to open-source the whole darned thing. I reckon the Gentoo Distro will probably have less crap in it than some of the others.
I reckon Lucas is probably lindows....
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Hell the "special effects" from the first three (IV, V and VI) are much better then the tripe that he's churning out now. Models make a much more real and gritty world, then the shiny silver spaceships he's using now. You don't suffer from the it's too clean to be in the picture obnoxious effect that CGI tends to have. That and models (the Rancor) tend to move correctly or at least better then computer models.
not really. He was presumably inovlved with ILM, which is really his forte. And he concieved several projects that he went on to produce. Like Indiana Jones, Willow, and oh so great Howard the Duck.
He does have vision, he just doesn't have the skill to back it up. And once upon a time, he had te presence of mind to have others work on his "vision".
I don't know if George Lucas would want to do this, but what if the DVD had all three versions (or at least the original and the newest with both sets of new stuff)? That way, our beloved original is not lost, but there's some fun added stuff.
Would there be any harm in doing this?
mark
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe. -- Carl Sagan
...you mean George didn't write out treatments/story outlines for all nine episodes before deciding to film 4, 5, and 6? You mean he's been making stuff up as he goes along? Gosh, I just can't believe it.
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I rather liked Willow personally. And Twice upon a Time. And Raiders of the lost Ark. Should I go on...
I can tolerate this on the condition that Lucas allows viewers to see the DVD in one of two ways: the original, unadulterated version and the "special/flashback" edition. As long as I have a choice about skipping the retconned scenes, I'll not complain.
Portman? OK, instead of inserting her into old movies, how about inserting her into my home? What a frickin' hottie.
I don't see how it can be done. The first movies were futurama, presumably when Portmans character would be well aged...unless there is to be some sort of flashback stuff or goofy "the force" ghost stuff with a hot young Portman spook (ala the dead Obi-Wan and recently deceased Darth).
As for Jar-Jar. If this thing makes it into anything else Star Warzy, then it will be due to Lucas demonstrating a true loss of touch with reality. I'd say this would prove beyond doubt that his creativity ended with the first trilogy and Alzhiemer's or presenile dementia has kicked in.
Jar-Jar is the pinnacle of nasti-stupid characters created by Lucas. The other members of the STUPID-Ass, childish (OVERLY childish) characters would be the ridiculous Ewoks and then a just-out-of-diapers Anakin in Episode 1. Talk about foresaking real people that are past wearing poopie diapers and pandering to the Romper Room crowd.
Hey Lucas, quite aiming at the Goo-goo-gaa-gaa set and aim HIGHER. Go no lower than the mid-teens (but skip the teen-beloved farting and barfing humor).
Infants are not a worthy market but that seems to be all you shoot for - of course, they are the easiest to please and require the least amount of talent to amuse...
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Somebody had to say it. I feel the exact same way.... if the new stuff sucks, I'll ignore it. If it doesn't, I'll enjoy it. How can I lose?
God knows there's a lot of films that would be well served with minor tweaking. Somebody comes along with the resources and the inclination to redo some pieces of his past work, and suddenly everyone's crying for his blood! Why?
I don't plan on getting one. My dvd player is way better, except that it won't play the old star wars videos (since they are on VHS). I guess that the responce to that is well, "buy a VCR you looser", but I don't want to so I guess I'll just have to deal with the new version on DVD, if I decide to buy it at all since I liked the original more then any of the newer versions. The new special edition wasn't that much better, and who knows about the as yet unreleased version. I'm not HC enough of a fan to get upset about this, but it would be nice if Lucas decided to stop changing things.
If he really thinks that the movie should be changed, maybe he should just redo it then. It's not like it would be that expensive to redo, just time consuming.
He believes in digital actors, just get the guys who did FF the movie to redo it with the original cast looking like they did 25 years ago. They are all still alive so they could redo the voices if lucas wanted to record a new soundtrack as well. (Or just reuse the old one... hehehe) But I digress.
I do belive you are indeed wrong.The title crawl begins with the the text 'Epsidoe IV - A New Hope". I can't testify to it being there in '77 however, as I was 4 years away from being born, but I've heard people talk about it being there in the origianl theatrical relase, and all the tapes made before george lucas went on his "special edition" craze also contain it. That and it's just common knowledge.
Portman will probably just be stuck in as a 'ghost' at the end of ep4: return of the jedi, along with Aninken, Obiwan, and Yoda. Its probably not going to be a big deal.
Otoh... puttting Jar jar in ANH? That just seems like a slap in the face...
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Ah, but will it be possible for me to edit years 21 and 22 out of my life retroactively?
-jeff
-- Two men say they're Jesus. One of them must be wrong. - Dire Straits
Many (not all) of us *do* want general freedom to modify the original films in this manner.
We also want to have the choice of retaining the film in its original presentation.
Lucas seems bent on changing the "Star Wars" movies a bit more with every major release so that the only way to get the original films may one day be to buy the VHS copies on eBay somewhere.
Pfah to that. Not *everyone* wants to see the films "enhanced" with new footage, and I'd like to have the choice of not seeing it when I watch the film.
My brother was really into collecting movies before the advent of DVD, and somewhere along the line he grabbed laserdisc copies of The Star Wars trilogy. It's an awesome set, not the special edition. Not upgraded. If the non-special-edition movies aren't released on DVD, I'm really tempted to make a DVD copy of this set for my own use.
Would it be legal since I already own the trilogy on VHS? Would it be legal for me to make a copy for a friend that owns the trilogy on VHS?
And in other news, rumor has it that in episodes 7-9, the Jedi twins will be played by Mary-Kate and Ashley.
Hate to break it to you pal, but this whole Star Wars story...
It's ___FICTION___!!!!!!!
It didn't really happen long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away...
I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.
This is the same mentality that insists that old black & white movies MUST be turned into pastel color movies before being rereleased.
Why the hell doesn't Lucas just accept that the original Star Wars is going to be his best-remembered film and stop meddling with it. I don't remember hearing anyone whine about how Han Solo was a "meanie", or any petitions going around to change that scene.
Yeah, ok, maybe he "messed up", but it's on film, and guess what? People like it. Sometimes the best things are unintended screwups that nonetheless become popular and well loved. Don't second guess yourself, don't ask why.. just accept and learn.
I think it's pretty clear that George got lucky with the first Star Wars. Every film thereafter has leaned more and more towards some specific marketing demographic, and has had obvious storyline sacrifices to satisfy those demands. I understand doing that when you're new on the scene and have to pay the bills.. but c'mon! George Lucas needs more money about like a 90-degree summer day near a swamp needs more mosquitoes. He can afford to tell the story for its own sake, yet he clearly bows to what the marketers tell him. I hope he enjoyed his sucess, as it's all downhill from here...
If Lucas is really out to tie up every loose end, then Star Wars will literally be a work in progress forever. To these ends, maybe Lucas should model Star Wars on .NET. You could buy a Star Wars subscription and every quarter you will be sent a SWAN (Star Wars addict Network) DVD pack, consisting of all 6 episodes with the latest patches and service packs applied, which fix plot and continuity errors. The first service pack will address why in the 10 years between TPM and AOTC, the Jedi/republic/Naboo did not buy Anakin's mom's freedom, especially after he saved Naboo.
When the first movie was made, Lucas already had a rough idea of the full story, however at that time it wasn't possible to put Jar Jar or Natalie Portman in the movie (i don't think she was even born yet.) Special effects at the time just simply couldn't make it happen. But now the technology is there to put Jar Jar in, and Natalie Portman can go ahead and play her own part since she exists now. Just wait 20 or so more years, I hear Mr. Lucas has some pretty big surprises for episodes 1-3 in the works, but he won't be 100% sure what they are until he starts filming the back story to the first 3 films.
In Brooklyn it's gonna be known as Star Wars Plus Plus Too, stuffed between a Kansas Fried Chicken and a White Castle, sold in a bundle of 3 for $10, and they'll throw in a free frilly bow/car freshner.
If Padme gets turned into Chewbacca in a freak accident, I think my impression of the Star Wars series will change dramatically.... for the better.
I bought the Star Wars trilogy when it came out on VHS about 8 years ago, and just after I had bought the vids, what happens but the special editions come out - ready for me to pay for the same films yet again. This was the point I stopped being a chump, and stopped buying Star Wars stuff.
The only thing that is more predictable than Lucas's relentless re-hashing money making antics is the gullibility of the people who keep buying the same films over and over and over again.
But, hey, if that's what you want to do with your money, that's fine - it's your cash. Personally, I'd rather spend it on the EFF, the latest Linux distro (yes I actually pay for and support Linux!), or a good Chomsky book. 8)
Well, and my new Powerbook of course 8))....
'Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves.' - George Gordon
eliminate copyrights so ANYONE can make changes like this on a whim?
If you worry about the lack of artistic integrity that some think would result from a loosening of the law covering derivative works, don't. That's what trademark law is for. George Lucas controls the Lucasfilm® trademark, and in a world with loose derivative work laws but strong trademark laws, those wishing to find what's canonical can simply "look for the logo."
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I am told that the "Nancy Drew" books are (or once were) constantly being revised and updated to appeal to the current generation of readers.
For example, some of the earlier ones were supposedly downright offensive to modern sensibilities w.r.t. how African American characters were treated (think pre-WWII movies and use your imagination).
I'm not saying that this is right, or a good idea. Just that Lucas wouldn't be the first.
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The complaints and demands for George Lucas to release the "original" (defined as the Non-Special Edition cuts) trilogy on DVD, as it was originally presented in the theatres...
;) To each their own, I guess.
I'm a film student, and I've read and understand why Mr. Lucas won't do that. He doesn't consider the "original" versions of the films to be the completed versions. They are work prints, demo copies (as it were) to Lucas. Asking him for the "original" cuts of the films is like asking for a work print...That's not the way he wants people to see them so he's not going to release *his* films in any way but the way he wants. That's why there really isn't a Special Edition...there's only the original Trilogy (the "original" versions are like unsupported betas....use at your own risk).
And as a film student I can respect that. I certainly wouldn't want people seeing a subpar cut of my films..especially if it was something as popular as Star Wars. However, I wouldn't have updated the special effects because that detracts from the original effects and effects artists...but that's another plate of worms. But they are Lucas' films...he can and will do whatever it is he feels is right..and people will either buy them (the vast majority), or complain about this CG character or that effect or whatever.
Special note, I did not like the original trilogy a whole lot..but I adored Episodes I and II. I don't see why people hate Jar Jar so much..it's not like he was vital to the plot or detracted so much from the film. But hey, if you don't like it go watch the Phantom Edit or the original trilogy another six times.
--Reverend Raven
Desperate days demand dire deeds.
So, to bring us back to the topic at hand: I support Lucas' right to do whatevery he wants with his own movies. But in the case of the Holy Trilogy, I wish he'd refrain, and leave them just as they are. (Or give us the option to view the old versions.)
I imagine that the original films will regain their popularity someday, at least in some circles. Then Lucas (or his estate) will make even more money by re-releasing them all on DVD in the unmodified (but refurbished) version. But until that day, I wonder how much work it'd take to edit out all of the new crap on the modified DVDs when they come out? Perhaps you'll be able to download a mostly-original refurbished Star Wars someday soon.
you don't have to buy it
Many fans want Star Wars Episode 4-6 version 1.0 (where Greedo didn't shoot first). That will never be available on DVD. By the time Episode III is released, Lucas will have pulled everything that's not 3.0 (i.e. Binks and Portman CG'd where fans feel they don't belong) from the shelves.
If you "want to make changes" you have to accept other people's rights (especially the original author/artist/etc!) to do the same!
Making changes != making changes and destroying the original.
Yes, I have the original trilogy on vhs.
Now watch tapes of the original version of the trilogy shoot up to $200 on eBay.
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Dude. You need to lay off the weed. It's making you stupid.
This news only half surprises me.
I was actually thinking Lucas would have completely remade Episode IV - VI just to make them more visually enjoyable (even though the original ones are excellent)
So now, well, according to rumors, he will be re-creating episodes IV - VI but with some changes to the plot as well.
It was to be expected IMO, Star Wars is Lucas's baby, he just can't let go of it or say : My job is done here.
no, he will want to tune it again and again.
LOL, for all we now we'll end up and a serie of pre-star wars series (Episode 0 ??) where we'll be able to see how yoda got all those magic fingers.
Just a thought anyway
If you look like your passport photo, you're too ill to travel. - Will Kommen
One for original, one for special edition, and one for "star wars - xp" (as someone else called it). Its doubtful sense the special edition is a remastered version (thus not allowing them to share scenes). but it sure would be nice "DVD" touch if they could work something like this out.
Somewhere at home I have the original star wars novel, as written by George Lucas, and in there somewhere I swear that 3po mentions that he used to belong to Darth Vader.
I remember when I read it going "huh???" but now it all makes sense - except the memory erasure.
You mean that Queen Armadillo WASN'T supposed to be played like she was on a perpetual opium high?
Oh, and the outfits were adapted from eastern culture ceremonial garb.
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Here's the original article from Coming Soon that Harry Knowles referred to. The Sci-Fi site should have credited Coming Soon instead of Knowles, since Knowles added nothing, just cited the article.
"He'd be a broader guy if he had dropped acid once." - Steve Jobs on Bill Gates
Note that at least one third of Lucas' oeuvre is CRAP.
And that doesn't even include the indescribable horror of the "Star Wars Christmas Special"!
"The Ewok Adventure" my ASS!
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
see Anakin Skywalker becoming Luke Skywalker!
Let Dart Wader say GRRR!!!! And let him explain his existence!
After much searching on the internet.... 50 links and various popup ads I have found the source of the Rumor. it's....... Jon Katz
Anybody whose read his last couple of articles ( hey, just being subjective here ) would agree there's definite motive for this kind of rumor.
Did you ever think that lucas might have had some motivation for making JJB? He's invented a personality that everyone hates and would like to see dead. (Painfully if possible, but dead at any rate). If you people really believe that JJB will die in ep. III, you will flock to the theatres in droves to view that joyous consumation. So all lucas has to do is start a rumor that JJB will indeed die and ep. III's inital box office success is secured. Smart.
-horne-fisher
My bet is that Anakin kills Dooku meaning to do good but ends up taking his place by Palpatines side.
You know, the old "good intentions gone bad" plot...
It would fit Palpatines caracter well too, remember that he later tries the same trick on Luke. Geting him to kill Anakin and take his place.
As for Windu, he will probably be killed of in a down and dirty backstabbing (maybe even physically by Palpatine himself), or die last in a glorious "last stand of the Jedi" against Palpatines clone troopers. Personally I would like the former better, but I don't think Lucas can resist the "last stand" cliche.
Joda will not kill anyone. It would be out of caracter for the "wise sensei"-type.
Remember, Lucas is big on classic story themes, and the three I mentioned are common. Just check out any Greek tragedy or Shakespear play.
Just my 0.02 kr...
"First lesson," Jon said. "Stick them with the pointy end."
Anakin gets set up by an evil jedi woman Darth Xio or something on the orders of Palpatine (Darth Sidious). Palpatine shows the event to Padme who goes ballistic. Palpatine then manipulates Anakin into thinking that his Jedi friends did that etc. blah blah Anakin falls into lava pit or something, gets rescued by Darth Sidious and is installed with the latest in black skull-like helmets with a bad-ass breathing sound.
Actually, I find the entire story sad. Anakin was a very promising jedi and his life was destroyed by a dark jedi. Even Anakin's love with the oh-so-wonderfully-sweet Padme (Natalie Portman) is destroyed. The hero then becomes a demon... such sadness.
George, why couldn't you have died in the 80s and left us imagining how great the movies could have been ?
Wow, talk about being a totally lifeless loser ! Whishing somebody had died so his view of a movie wouldn't be screwed up. Oh man !
How about this ? Don't see the new movies and the new releases, I'm sure you can buy tapes of the orinal movies and watch them all day so your world is not shattered !
- sigs are for wimps.
George Lucas changing the originals to fit the prequels is like Peter Jackson taking out Tom Bombadil in the LotR book to fit the movie. It's just plain stupid.
So now every year or two you'll have to patch Star Wars to keep it current. SP1 will patch inconsistancies with caracter's memories, age, and correct lightsaber colors!
The original movie has been out for 25 years, now.
It makes sense to actually do a complete remake of it, in the hope that it will breathe new life into the story, and appeal to a new generation.
If the remake sucks, well... we still have the original.
Get off my launchpad!
Maybe he will also change the scene at the begining of ANH where Obi Wan tells Luke he had never seen that droid before:
LUKE: Then the droid does belong to you.
BEN: Don't seem to remember ever owning a droid. Very interesting...
Don't get me wrong i hate jar-jar as much as the next geek, but this would be a really cool proof of concept and they would have to give ya the orignal "untainted" version.
Later,
Phil
This isn't news!!!!!
If you keep focusing on this, you'll be virgins forever!
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Back in 1977, right after Star Wars became a huge hit, Lucas had said that he did indeed have the rest of the story more or less sketched out, and that he thought it would take 9 movies to do it. Heck, originally he wanted to put the entire Anakin cycle in ONE movie, but it was way too long. He wasn't expecting Star Wars to succeed, he just wanted to make a fun movie. Then it hit it big and he said, "Hmm..." Anyway, originally he thought it would take 9 movies, but a short while later he realized that he didn't have enough story for 9 -- 6 movies would do. Ever since then is the oft-repeated myth that there's going to be 3 more movies after Episode III finishes. If there are, it's not going to be part of the Anakin cycle (well, naturally, since Anakin dies in ROTJ).
I don't discount the possibility that there could be more Star Wars movies after Episode III, but I personally don't think Lucas will want to put out the effort. Remember, he's going to be 61 years old when Episode 3 comes out, and productions of this magnitude take a huge amount of effort. I suppose he could act in more of a supervisory role and let someone else handle more of the day-to-day duties, but, the question of Lucas' talent aside, would such movies FEEL like "Star Wars"? Hard to see, the future is. Not to mention the fact that the story arc would be more or less unrelated to Eps. 1-6, and we probably wouldn't have the same emotional attachments we've formed with the characters we already know.
It has occurred to me that an "interim" movie would be possible, something that takes place between episodes 3 and 4 (call it "Star Wars: Rise of the Empire" with no "Episode N" part) that bridges the 20-year gap... maybe giving some details of the Empire's atrocities, Luke and Leia's upbringings, maybe Han's background, etc. Just a thought of my own.
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
Oh, and calling Star Wars one of the most epic stories ever written is pathetic. Read some books for God's sake. Ever heard of The Illiad? The Odyssey? The Maha-Barata? Fucking BEOWULF, for God's sake! Get out more!
First he releases the movies in VHS. Then on theaters with new scenes, then on VHS again with new sequences. Now a new version and then what? Again and again and again?
And at this point, be honest: can anyone make sense of all the names of the dozens of products out there? Starfighter and Jedi Starfighter released almost simultaneously. Give us a break!
Am I the only one that's reading this thread and thinking 'It's like Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back' all over again!
"Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus."
From the home office in Anchorage, Alaska, the TOP TEN PLACES TO ADD JAR-JAR IN EPISODE 4:
10. Orbiting Tatooine in the opening scene.
9. Sweeping the hallway on the Princess' ship right before the stormtroopers cut through the door
8. In the first escape pod from the Princess' ship
7. Standing behind Obi-Wan at the bar
6. Under the table during Greedo and Han's conversation
5. Admiring the Millenium Falcon from the doorway just prior to its departure
4. Running a lemonade stand on Alderaan
3. Last (almost) through the blast doors
2. Porkins' co-pilot
..and the NUMBER ONE place for Jar-Jar in Episode 4:
1. In the exhaust shaft!
That explains a lot. R2 doesn't fly in episodes 4-6 because he forgot he can.
-Dave
Replace the Emperor hologram in Empire with one done by the current actor, Ian somethingorother.
Redub the Storm Trooper voices (and maybe even Boba Fett) using the new Clone Trooper/Jango voice.
In ANH, add some Senate scenes including where Palpatine disbands the body.
IN ROTJ, CGI in some Nemodians in the Emperor's entourage
TWW
"Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
Do it James Cameron style. He released T2 super-duper special edition DVD (the one in the silver case). There was about 25 minutes of extra footage that he put in which slightly altered the story. You can watch the movie with it or without it. That's great, now I have the movie as it was originally played plus the extra footage added. Just release it that way so i can see the movie as it origianlly was, plus let me see the movie updated with new junk. This of course will never happen because Lucas has to release 8 million different editions.
According to Lucas, the droids have their memories erased prior to Episode IV. Now, does Obi-Wan also have his memory erased so he doesn't remember the droids??
> Sci-fi Wire is reporting a couple rumors
> about the changes being made to the
> original Star Wars trilogy for its next release.
> That being that Natalie Portman may be
> being inserted into Episode VI: Return of the
> Jedi and that universally reviled Jar Jar Binks
This sounds a lot like the complaining people made when they heard N' Sync (or whoever the hell they were) was supposed to be in Episode II. I don't remember seeing them there, and if they were, it certainly didn't affect how I enjoyed the flick.
Look, it's a movie, not the New Testament. If Lucas wants to change his movie -- it's his own decision.
I for one would like to see IV-VI touched up a bit when it hits DVD. First, replace the actor playing the Emperor in V with the guy who plays him in I, II, and VI. Second, digitally remove the puppets from the cantina scene in IV and the puppets in VI. Third, get rid of the ewoks.
Insert simplistic political, ideological, or personal proselytization here.
Did you mean palatine? As in, "One invested with royal privileges and rights within his domains"?
You know, kids, gdict can also be used to check spelling.
with new integrated scenses - they're part of the script, they can't be removed.
Yeah, and the last 35 minutes of the movie is just a BSOD.
Haven't you been keeping up? Star Wars is the greatest Epic ever told. More riviting than "Seven Pillars of Wisdom", more witty than "Don Quixote", more intricate than anything by Raymond Chandler ever wrote, more sweeping than "War and Peace".
:-)
Yup, I'll wager a copy of windows 98 that in 100 years the Star Wars story will be seen as the seminal work of modern man.
Anyone that would imply otherwise is, frankly, insane.
Parent topic: quick! buy the originals now!
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before all you can find are the "improved" version! Time to go fire up gnutella and start looking for A New Hope . .
I wonder if the irony was intentional...
...that I own the original versions. :)
Padma would morph into Chewbacca. Guess my prediction was wrong.
... for me to poop on!
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
If Natalie Portman talked and acted like Jar Jar Binks but looked like she does now, would you still want to nail her? I honestly can't make up my mind.
"Mesa love you long long time. Mesa yous humbule sex servaunt."
Ughhh. Sorry.
* Lets remove Paulie Shore from all movies. Change him with an actor. A real one.
* Remove Keanu Reaves from all movies except Bill & Ted I and II, Speed, and maybe the Matrix (Keanu only is good if he's playing someone confused, he was in the Matrix).
* Go back to the Terminator movies, change Arnold's voice so you don't have to explain why a Robot designed by the Robots from an American firm has a strong Australian accent.
As I see, George Lucas is staring at a fundamental problem for his movies. Yes, his. They aren't mine, they aren't yours, they aren't even the MPAA's.
The problem is that Trilogy 1 (I-III) and Trilogy 2 (IV-VI) occur in substantially different parts of the galaxy, with substantially different characters. Episode I and II have featured politicians, the fucking amazing artistry that is Coruscant, the Jedi Order, battle droids, massive factory worlds. Episodes IV through IV feature mainly military men, on both sides, a lot of backwaters, a few rare Force-users...does anyone else see a glaring problem?
Let me first say, before this next section of my post, that Empire Strikes Back is my favorite of the series, followed by A New Hope and Attack of the Clones. But really, what there needs to be is something else tying the trilogies. Where is the galaxy from Episode II to be found in the original three? Nowhere. We never see Coruscant, or Naboo, or Kimono, Geneosis. Logically, we should see these places. The Emperor, such an important figure in the first three movies, is not even see until Episode VI, and is only hinted at before then. It was a good storytelling technique, until prequels that brought him to the forefront. These and many other issues need to be reconciled (if anything is to be changed at all, of course).
For those that skipped to the bottom, the creation of the new trilogy has made the point of view of the old trilogy problematic. There, I've said it.
~Chazzf
No statement is true, not even this one.
I don't know about the other suggestions, but I wouldn't mind seeing a Yoda vs. Luke Skywalker sparring match with lightsabers.
Any other ideas for what to do with a CGI Yoda?
It's good to use your head, but not as a battering ram.
Not to mention the can-o'-whoopass count Dooku opens up on Obi One in AOTC.
He survives not one, but two lightsabre slashes. And not only survives, he is not even maimed, lucking out with only superficial cuts.
...as opposed to a certain sith-lord-in-training who experience a sudden 10kg weight loss trying to save Obi Wan's ass.
"First lesson," Jon said. "Stick them with the pointy end."
... he read David Brin's novel Earth at some point, and an idea from that book has stuck in his head. He just wants to be the first, that's all.
Years later, a doctor will tell me that I have an I.Q. of 48, and am what some people call "mentally retarded".
...that in the remakes of the old movies, Darth Jar Jar will have a major role.
Oh the possibilities... *shudders with extacy*
There is this comic by Aaron McGruder called The Boondocks. Anyway, one of the recent ones went as follows.
Guy1: Well, I saw "Attack of the Clones." I Gotta admit I may have found a new respect for George Lucas.
Guy2: Really?
Guy1: The whole movie is clearly allegorical to president Bush's true motives behind the war on terrorism. He even implies that Bush and Bin Laden are actually working together -- And people think I'm Radical!
Guy2: Well, now that you mention it....
Guy1: Five Bucks says that Lucas won't live to see "Episode Three."
All of the Boondocks Comics that I've read have all been great. I think they're available somewhere online, but I forget where.
-Greg
Lucas can do any damn thing he pleases. How about inserting Jar-Jar into Natalie Portman?
I just find it amazing that after 20 years the protocol droids still look and sound exactly the same as they did 20 years ago. I guess that just goes to show you that this REALLY is a vastly different universe than the one we live in, where devices manufactured 5 years ago seldom resemble their contemporaries of 5 years later. Let alone 20!!
If the star wars universe was anything like our own, C3PO would be instantly recognisable as an "antique" and possibly a "classic" incarnation of the Protocol droid's "shiny gold era".
You think I don't still recognize it when I see an exact copy of the IBM PC 8088 that I had as a child? It's EASILY distinguishable from the PCs of today.
I don't see why he had to include all this stupid foreshadowing for the original movies anyhow.. Like for F**k sakes, WE GET IT ALREADY!! How many times to you have to tie it all together for us? He's got so many strings linking up to the original series that he's tripping over them, making more plot inconsistencies than he's fixing!
And I gotta say I'm dissapointed to hear that AOTC did not open with the gratuitous slaying of JarJar Binks. That was the only way he could have made it up to me, and he missed out. It's not like I was keeping my desires a secret or anything..
Ugh.. I hate my job.
I distinctly remember...
You'ld really have to dig through the EARLY interviews with Lucas on the Star Wars series but he ORIGINALY announced in press interviews that he would do 4 trilogies, not 3 ! However, this was downsized to 3 trilogies very quickly and the 4th forgotten.
Hey - I just report the facts. I was really hooked reading any news article on Star Wars I could get my hands on.
McHummer
You couldn't have picked a better sig for this topic if you'd planned it.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
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Come on. Get over it. Star Wars belongs in the 70's and 80's with the Bee Gees, platform shoes for guys, shag haircuts, and mirrored disco balls. The story is lame, the characters more lame, and the writers and directors abysmally lacking in talent and creativity. I don't give a Wookies ass if I ever see any of them again. Give me more Spiderman and LOTR. Le Roi est mort, vive Le Roi.
Do you want a spoiler?
You will die alone!
Episode IV: Jar Jar steps in Jawa poo.
Episode V: Jar Jar steps in Jabba the Hut's poo.
Episode VI: Jar Jar steps in Ewok poo.
I just think Lucas is trying to insert "poo" analogies in his films. Pretty soon, Vader will be re-dubbed to refer to his army of "stormpoopers". Han Solo will be encased in poop instead of carbonite, AT-ATs will step in poop, and and the climax of the saga will be when Vader gets unmasked, only to say "Poop, I am your faaaa-tha."
Save The Planet - Nuke California,
Bowie J. Poag
George has lost his mind, adding Jar-Jar to Star Wars IV: A New Hope is like having Greedo shoot first.GEORGE HAS BEEN CRAZY FOR YEARS
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." Dark Helmet - Spaceballs
INT: BESPIN GANTRY - MOMENTS LATER:
A furious lightsaber duel is underway. DARTH VADER is backing LUKE SKYWALKER towards the end of the gantry. A quick move by Vader, chops off Luke's hand! It goes spinning off into the ventilation shaft. Luke backs away. He looks around, but realizes there's nowhere to go but straight down.
Darth Vader: Obi Wan never told you what happened to your father.
Luke: He told me enough! He told me you killed him!
Darth Vader: No... I am your father!
Luke: No, it's not true! It's impossible.
Darth Vader: Search your feelings... you know it to be true...
Luke: NO!
Darth Vader: Yes, it is true... and you know what else? You know that brass droid of yours?
Luke: Threepio?
Darth Vader: Yes... Threepio... I built him... when I was 7 years old...
Luke: No...
Darth Vader: Seven years old? And what have you done? Look at yourself, no hand, no job, and couldn't even levitate your own ship out of the swamp...
Luke: I destroyed your precious Death Star!
Darth Vader: When you were 20! When I was 10, I single-handedly destroyed a Trade Federation Droid Control ship!
Luke: Well, it's not my fault...
Darth Vader: Oh, here we go... "Poor me... my father never gave me what I wanted for my birthday... boo hoo, my daddy's the Dark Lord of the Sith... waahhh wahhh!"
Luke: Shut up...
Darth Vader: You're a slacker! By the time I was your age, I had exterminated the Jedi knights!
Luke: I used to race my T-16 through Beggar's Canyon.
Darth Vader: Oh, for the love of the Emperor... 10 years old, winner of the Boonta Eve Open... Only human to ever fly a Pod Racer... right here, baby!
{Luke looks down the shaft. Takes a step towards it.}
Darth Vader: I was wrong... You're not my kid... I don't know whose you are, but you sure ain't mine...
{Luke takes a step off the platform, hesitates, then plunges down the shaft.}
{Darth Vader looks after him.}
Darth Vader: Get a haircut!
Gonzo Granzeau
"Nothing the god of biomechanics wouldn't let you into heaven for.." -Roy Batty
". . . one of the most epic stories ever told"
No. It's just one of the more well known stories.
There are 10 x 32^65 more stories that are excrutiatingly more epic than Star Wars. But, then again, for your fucking shallow little dick fuck dumb outlook, it's pretty epic, and Friends, on NBC, is one of the greatest comedies of all time.
Idiot.
Well, I have mod points, and I was gonna use 'em on this discusion, but then I read the link....AAARGGHHH!!!! I now want to beat the living hell out of George Lucas, even if the rumors are false. If they're true?? If I, one day, should be watching Star Wars (ep IV, blah, blah, blah) and see JAR JAR FUCKING BINKS on my TV screen, then my journey to the dark side will be complete. Darth Mu. That's me.
What a jackass.
If all the world's a stage, anyone who says they want better lighting spends far too much time in a dark theatre.
When someone posts even far-fledged *rumors* about Star Wars, it gets posted up on /. ?
Sad.
If Lucas wanted to make more films, it'd be difficult to fit anything less than 15-20 years after SW4:ANH without completely breaking continuity with the books.
Having said that, some of the books could make great films; Heir to the Empire/Dark Force Rising/Last Command, anyone? (They've already made pretty good graphic novels, if the one I read is anything to go by). They introduce some great characters (former Imperial assassin Mara Jade, and of course the inimitable Grand Admiral Thrawn), and even portray Imperial leaders in a more ambiguous light than in the films (particularly Thrawn and his second-in-command Pellaeon). Outside that trilogy, I, Jedi also rules.
Kinda obvious that. The question is: who wiped Obi-Wan's memory of them?
Insanity is the last line of defence for the master diplomat. But you have to lay the groundwork early.
I just finished watching ANH recently, and something odd occurred to me. I can buy Lucas' contention that the 'droids' memories were wiped prior to ANH, but that doesn't account for the fact that Ben Kenobi seems not to recognize the droids at all when they find him in the Tatooine desert. This is despite the fact that he spent some very pivotal moments in galactic history with those two. Is Lucas going to alter Episode IV to make up for this apparent gaffe as well?
"No, no, no. Don't tug on that. You never know what it might be attached to."
I was wondering the same - I bet you are correct
After seeing episode1, I have learned to lower my expectations for the series. Since Return of the Jedi, I have gotten the feeling that Lucas is more interested in saturday morning cartoons, selling toys, and guest appearances on breakfast cerial boxes.
As far as episode II (Attack Of The Clones...just look at the name), if you take out the lame acting, fairly decent writing, and the "lets get as much whiz-bang toy selling stuff as possible" theme, you actually have a fairly decent sci-fi scini-series.
I fell in love with starwars when I was 7 when it first came out, and love to watch episodes 4 and 5 when they are replayed on cable.
The real sad thing is that episode II had soooooo much potential.
Of course, I have no real high expectations for episode 3. The bar just got lower.
At the end of the third film, when she's hiding Luke and Leia, she changes her name to from Padme Armidala to Mon Mothma.
Leader of the Opposition becomes Leader of the Resistance. And there's enough similarity in appearance between the two of them to pull it off.
There you go, she's in the films, no need for CGI-Inserts, retroactive continuity or re-releasing yet another special edition to try to beat ET's all time box office record.
No wonder Lucas didn't think of it
But is he? What if the Chancellor isn't the Emperor-to-be? Eh?
TWW
"Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
I'm probably the most pragmatic bitch with a cause in town. However, when I watched Ep. II I actually got swept up into it.
All in all its just entertainment, it was fun and I hope they keep making them.
Tom
Someday, I'll have a real sig.
Im not gonna go see these epsiodes if Jar Jar is in them. However, Natalie Portman is fine.Im sure you all know whay.
So if R2's memory is erased, then there are no Death Star plans, and no holographic message to Ben, Luke remains a whiny moisture farmer spotting womp rats, and Leia is tortured and killed by Vader. That would make for some boring movies.
Unless, of course, Lucas pulls out some retcon like "..umm, they only erased half of his memory". Hopefully he also explains why Anikin/Vader doesn't think to look for his son with his step-brother.
To read makes our speaking English good. - X. Harris
To anyone so stupid as to try and claim that George Lucas is a good director, I have three words for you.
Howard The Duck
Eat it.
weird
Who mediates your information?
I just got an email from George Lucas himself, asking me what I think of his proposed outline for Episode III (he said his outline for II finished up a week after filming started, we all know what a disaster that was, so he's trying to get a headstart on III).
In III, it is 15 years later. The Clone Wars are in full swing. Chancellor Palpatine's "War on Secessionists" has killed many innocent people, but has failed to bring Count Dooku to justice.
Amidala has secretly had Anakin's love babies - while Anakin has been called away to fight the "War on Secessionists" with his side kick ObiWan.
Jar Jar accidentally flips the latch on Amidala's window in her high-rise as she leans on it to look out on the beatiful sunrise one morning (er - I wonder what Jar Jar was doing in Amidala's room in the early morning?). Anakin totally blows his top, and abandons his post, returning to Coruscant, he confronts Jar Jar, who admits that he was "doing" Amidala, and that Luke and Leia are really HIS. Anakin force-grabs Jar Jar, and lightsabers his arms and legs off, then shoves him out the same window, and before dropping him 5000 feet, tears his torso to shreds.
In the meantime, ObiWan is instructed by Yoda to NOT confront Anakin, but instead, to protect Luke and Leia from his growing rage. So ObiWan successfully evades Anakin on Coruscant, abducts the children, and spirits them off to Bail Organa's home planet of Alderaan. To have him adopt them as the Jedi's ace in the hole against the growing menace of their loose cannon, Anakin.
Anakin finds out and decides that the Jedi council is plotting against him, and needs to be destroyed. And so, he destroys them. Three escape. Yoda, Mace, and a new Jedi, Ell Ron Hubbardi played by John Travolta. A long hunting sequence plays out where Mace Windu and Ell Ron lead Anakin on a wild goose chase through the streets of Coruscant in a speeder, while Mace and Ell Ron philosophise about the meaning of life, the force, phenomenology, etc.
While they stop for food at a "Space Denny's", Mace goes to the bathroom, and Anakin finally catches up to Ell Ron, and uses the Jedi Mind Trick (TM) to convince him that Mace is evil and that they should destroy eachother. Mace comes out of the bathroom, and they have the lightsaber duel to end all lightsaber duels. Properly disposed of, Anakin now ignores the two and pursues Yoda. But by now, the trail is cold, and he ends up on Alderaan, looking for the kids, so he can destroy them. ObiWan finds him first, and they duel nearly to the death, and Anakin is plunged into a volcano.
Mace has destroyed Ell Ron Hubbardi, and it is in the remains of the shattered high-rise that was the Space Denny's that the emporer encounters him, all pissed off and shit. The emporer turns him to the dark side, and has him change his name to Darth Vader. The emporer says that he will tell everyone that Darth Vader is really Anakin, rescued from the Volcano, and rebuilt with off the shelf cyborg parts.
Yoda catches up with Obi Wan, and tells him that they've got to change plans a bit, because having BOTH twins on Alderaan is a single-point of failure, so Obi Wan takes Luke to Tatooine, and sells him as a slave for a cheap hooker. Luke is eventually sold through several owners, who decide to get rid of him as soon as they find out how much he whines, until he ends up in the same fate as his grandmother Shmi. Eventually, Owen comes to love Luke and sets him free, and even stops molesting him - but continues to keep him on as a farmhand. Yoda, in the meantime, has hidden himself on Dagobah.
Oh yeah, and one twist he wants to add.
The Space Denny's actually gathers roadkill from all around Coruscant. People who have fallen out of windows, or their speeder's seatbelts weren't fastened, etc. And grinds them up as mystery meat. So Mace and Ell Ron were actually eating bits of Amidala and Jar Jar. And when Anakin stopped to warp Ell Ron's mind, he also took a bite of Mace's hamburger, containing bits of Amidala. In this way, Amidala's body became part of the force, and this is the route through which she becomes a ghost at the end of the re-made episode VI. Also, they'll have to reshoot the scenes where Vader takes off his mask in Episode V and VI (and his ghost scene at the end of VI) to replace him with Windu. This is also how Jar Jar's ghost ends up in Episode IV, because he was eaten by Mace, who was Darth Vader. Jar Jar's ghost will be in the scene where Obi Wan is killed, he'll tell Luke; "Luke! Meesa tink yoosa better get a runnin boss" - but he won't admit to being his true father, because that would present an obvious continutiy error with Episode V. In fact, it will never be revealed to Luke who his real father is, and when he pulls off Vader's mask at the end and sees that it's Mace, he'll chalk up the skin color difference to volcanic scorching or something.
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I'm not sure what to say to George. I mean, I think he sent it to me by mistake - I actually opened it by mistake, because the subject line was "Enlarge your penis 500%!" -
I think it's a great idea that hes getting a headstart, and I kind of like this better than where it looked like it was headed.
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
He is evil.
I've spent more time than I like to think about defending Star Wars on Slashdot over the years, but if he puts Jar Jar in Episode IV, I'm going to drive out to Skywalker Ranch and throttle him with my bare hands.
Even the most die-hard Star Wars sucker has his limits.
--Mike--
-Taken directly from darkhorizons.com
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Unfortunately, Lucas won't stop at the Special Edition. After the release of Episode III ("Ani, Get Your Gungan") he plans to go back and further modify the original trilogy. Here are a few other of the rumored changes straight from the brain of one weird Fish. Special Special Edition (2008). * Jar Jar is digitally inserted into every scene in Ep4, Ep5, and Ep6. * Stormtroopers carry walkie-talkies instead of blasters. (Hey, they never hit anything important anyway.) * Luke's haircut is made presentable, but now he looks like "Hanson." * Ian McDiarmid replaces Clive Revill in the Emperor-hologram scene in Ep5, except now is a CGI construct less believeable than bikini pinups of Lara Croft. * Han Solo's Special Edition line, "It's all right, I can see a lot better now" is replaced with "It's all right, I never had hibernation sickness, I was only fooling." * Aunt Beru's looped lines are redubbed by Fran Drescher. * The sweeping John Williams asteroid theme is replaced by the music from the 1979 arcade game "Asteroids." Ultra Special Special Edition (2012) * Chewbacca is digitally removed from every shot and replaced with Jar Jar Binks. Han Solo's line "It's not wise to upset a Wookiee" is replaced with "It's not wise to upset a Gungan." * Footage is added of Imperial Academy forces being trained in weapons use by Don Knotts. * Digital lip-sync technology is used to change Luke's line "Nooo-ooo-ooo-oooooo!" into "Yippee!" * To make it more obvious that Senator/Chancellor Palpatine is really the Emperor in disguise, a set of Groucho glasses is added to every shot of the Emperor. To every shot of Palpatine is added a halo. * The Wampa Ice Creature is now a cameo role played by Shaquille O'Neal, complete with musical number and dancing girls in skimpy fur bikinis. The scene goes on tour as the "Wampa Ice Capades." * The entire John Williams score is scrapped and replaced with Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon." Some fanboys claim it fits with spooky synchronicity in certain scenes, usually after the imbibement of several non-prescription herbal remedies. Incredibly Special Ultra Re-release Special Special Edition (2025) * Jar Jar Binks is made a Jedi Knight. * Jar Jar Binks destroys the Death Star. * Jar Jar Binks is shown to be a cunning and foresighted adversary who allowed himself to be manipulated by Palpatine into proposing legislation to create the Imperial Army. Says Jar Jar in Episode 2, "Revenge of Jar Jar," "Nowsa meesa has a eeeevil Emperor where meesa want!" * Luke Skywalker is digitally erased from the picture and replaced with a member of the 2025 Swedish Bikini Team. * C-3PO is re-dubbed by Dennis Franz, who plays the Brooklyn-born Lt. Sipowicz from "NYPD Blue." * R2-D2 is given the BFG from Doom XII and goes on a rampage in Cloud City to rescue C-3PO's disconnected parts. * Han Solo no longer accidentally activates Boba Fett's jetpack to send him careening into the Sarlacc Pit. Instead, Han indicates that Boba Fett's shoe is untied, whereupon the bounty hunter looks down, trips over his own foot, shoots himself in the neck, gets tangled up in his own grappling hook cord, and says "D'oh!" a la Homer Simpson. Fett then windmills his arms wildly on the edge of the skiff, falls into a batch of wet cement, and explodes with near-nuclear force. Han Solo then quips, "The fool! He doesn't even have shoelaces." * Governor Tarkin, Han Solo, and Jabba the Hutt replaced with an aging Mike Myers doing Dr. Evil, Austin Powers, and Fat Bastard, respectively. The Ewoks are replaced with Mini-Mes.
/me waves a hand mysteriously.
You remember Jar Jar and Amidala in Episode 3.
I remember Jar Jar and Amidala in Episode 3.
You cried when you were 10 and you saw Jar Jar die.
I cried when I was 10 and I saw Jar Jar die.
You love Jar Jar and will buy merchandise.
I love Jar Jar and will buy merchandise.
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From what I've heard though, they do not involve any major characters - Well ... not any more major than Bail Organa anyway.
"We shall party like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean." - HedonismBot
Wake up, geeks--you're being played for idiots, and you're responding according to form. The whole Star Wars bit is dead, dead, dead--it's boring and BAD, but you continue to suck it up and shell out the dough because Star Wars Inc. has become a geek fetish. Old, uninspired control freak Lucas couldn't be less entertaining or relevant if he tried; all he does is play on the goodwill established by the original films 20 years ago. Move on already and stop being suckers.
I'm so sick and tired of people associating success with talent. Success is driven by a huge number of variables - talent is just one of them. Brittany Spears is successful too - would you iconize her? Give me a break. In Lucas' defence, he did do a couple of good early films(THX and American Grafitti were good), so I think he was a capable director, even smart on occasion. However, he took that long hiatus from films for a reason - he hates doing it. Do you do a good job on things you hate? Over the last 30 years he's lost whatever directing and writing talent he had. Pathetic dialog, childish scenes, stunningly derivative visuals - you have the nerve to call his visual sense "amazing"?! Here's the films he visually stole from for AOTC - The Fifth Element(city car chase), Blade Runner(same sequence, when they come down to the bar), Waterworld/Dune(the hidden cloning planet), Gladiator(the arena scene), and Starship Troopers(the final apocalyptic battle scenes).
There were indeed some mighty fine FX sequences done for this movie. It was a BAD film, however. It was bad because it was written and directed poorly - I know MacGregor, Lee and Jackson can act(although the lead was another issue!), so there's only two people you can blame - the writer or the director. Hmmm...who was that?
And give me a break on the "visionary" stuff. If he hadn't made all the money he had in his early years(off American Grafitti and SW), then he would have gone bust after a year and no-one would have heard of him again. It was throwing more and more money at ILM that kept it going. If he hadn't of done it, then someone else would have. Period. Why do so many people worship money? There are hundreds, nay thousands of people over history that just kept pouring more and more money after something they thought was "neat". Some ended up being successful, and are "visionaries". Others died penniless and are "losers".
You'd think the average Slashdotter would have a little less respect for corporate sucess as a measure of quality.
DT
I want to recommend the Movie Tokyo Eyes to you. The story will remind you of your experience, as your post reminds me of the movie, and finally Hinano Yoshikawa is cute, although i would not suggest her as a substitute to Natalie or even Jar Jar Portman. Anyway, Padme is married to Anakin.. so who will be the lovely princess in Episode III?
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Dear George,
I'm writing as one of the hundreds of thousands of people who have made you a very rich man.
We grew up on the Star Wars trilogy. It was a part of our childhood. We've spent untold millions of our hard-earned dollars on your franchise, and for the last few years, you've been ripping us off, knowing that we'll put up with it.
The Phantom Menace proved that you can no longer write or direct. It was a let-down and a betrayal. We waited twenty-five years for a new movie, and all we got was this stupid Jar-Jar t-shirt. We're starting to feel the burn.
When you announced that we'd have to wait until sometime around 2005 for DVDs for the original trilogy, we grumbled but didn't scream. Now we're screaming. Do not screw with the original trilogy any more!
You milked us good with the "Special Editions" once, and now you're talking about doing it again. Don't. Please.
This is what we want:
1) The original trilogy, NOT the special editions, on DVD.
2) A cleaned-up print and remastered soundtrack.
3) If nothing else, at least the documentaries for each film included on each disc.
How hard could this be? If the studios can crank out dubious "collector's editions" for every summer movie that comes down the pipe, you can do this. You know we'll pay whatever ridiculous price you charge for it, even if we're beginning to feel shafted.
--
THE GOOD HUMOR MAN CAN ONLY BE PUSHED SO FAR
Bart Simpson on chalkboard in episode 2F18
A sidebar in the Time magazine issue that featured TESB laid out the nine movie plan. At some point around 1980 he had a nine movie plan (probably once he realized he had the clout and resources to do it). Whether Lucas had the nine movies in mind from the very beginning is debatable.
However, I would not even try to debate that he at least had the "galactic backstory" in mind when writing ANH, even it he didn't plan on making those movies at that point. There are clear references to it in both the movie (eg Clone Wars) and the novelisation (references to the Emperor's rise to power). Surely some of the backstory has been refined to a certain degree (for instance the novel speaks of the Emperor using commercial/industrial elements to rise to power, but then came under the control of those same elements, clearly not the case as seen in ROTJ).
When they had no money, the quality was "better". As they progressively get more money, quality dives, to the point of purposefully going back and wrecking the few things they did have right in order to increase profits. Imagine Star wars Episode IV version 3.1B... if they had to re-release the movie 5 or 6 times to make all the necessary adjustments for the series to actually flow together. Imagine Star Wars controlling 45% of the movie market, fighting off monopoly lawsuits left and right, and a director that owns an island somewhere in a galaxy far far away...
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"[C-3P0's] memory system has been erased, and so has R2's," Lucas told the site. "So they don't remember anything from the first trilogy. I'm telling you something from Episode III, but I shouldn't be telling you that, but I think most of the fans already know that."
What about Owen Lars?!?!?! He apparently worked with a droid named C-3PO for a few years and then doesn't recognize him 20 years later wtf???
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EPISODE 1: Was to focus on the origins of the Jedi Knights and how they are initiated and trained
EPISODE 2: Introduction and development of Obi-Wan Kenobi
EPISODE 3: Introduction and life of Vader
EPISODE 4: There were seven different drafts of the film. At one point, they pursued buying the rights to Hidden Fortress because of the strong similarities. At one point, Luke was a female, Han was Luke's brother, Luke's father was the one in prison (interesting point for some debates) and the film featured 40 wookies
EPISODE 5: Once written, the screenplay of Empire is almost exactly what is seen on screen. The only cut scenes were those involving wampas in the rebel base (cut because of time and unsolved technical glitches) and about two minutes of Luke/Yoda Jedi training with no real dialog.
EPISODE 6: Leia was to be elected "Queen of her people" leaving her isolated. Han was to die. Luke confronted Vader and went on with his life alone. Leia was not to be Luke's sister.
EPISODE 7: Third trilogy was to focus on Luke's life as a Jedi, with very few details planned out.
EPISODE 8: Luke's sister (not Leia) appears from another part of the galaxy.
EPISODE 9: First appearance of the Emperor.
These may have appeared before, I'm not sure. But it's interesting never the less.
"We shall party like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean." - HedonismBot
- The Ewok Adventure
- Ewoks: The Battle for Endor
Funny how noboy ever counts these. Or is it that you don't want to remember?Those who can, do. Those who can't, simulate.
So, let me get this straight, not only is Lucas destroying the Star Wars legacy by the laughable Ep I and II (though Ep III may be better if he doesn't fuck up Darth Vader), but now, he's also going to destroy the original Star Wars by "redoing it"? This is turning into a more shameless franchise than Jaws was. And you don't see Spielbeg, now, more than a decade later, going back and trying to squeeze more money out of Jaws, do you? No. He certainly could justify it -- after all, modern special effects could make it look realistic by today's standards. But, because he has some class, he's chosen not to fuck with a good thing.
Lucas, however, displays no such class.
Star Wars IV - VI were brilliant, great movies. But lets face it, Lucas was a 3-hit wonder. What other movies has Lucas made that are worth watching? Certainly not Star Wars I or II.
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sweet holy CHRIST you people are pathetic.
I suppose their memories get wiped too? Apparently, this is the case, because they don't remember C-3PO and R2D2 from Anakin's Episode II visit when the Jawas sell the droids back to them in Episode IV. George sucks at plot consistency...
Today I declare that Natalie Portman should be in every movie produced from this day forward!
(the masses rejoice)
-Jim
I dont think the Natalie Portman part is a rumor, its fact. I saw it on the Force.net.
The Jar JAr part however is not on theforce.net.
My buddy shawn thinks that Jar Jar Binks should not be in episode four.
That is all.
Now that we are aware that the bulk of the Empire's army is made up of Jango Fetts, is Lucas going to redub all of their voices for eps 4 through 6?
Sounds like a lot of work to me!
I think you're way off base. That should be "bloated meglomanic and the huge, critical fanbase that throws money at him."
Which really makes it all the more interesting.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
(knock knock )
( Door opens )
artist: Hi, my name is john, I painted the picture thats hanging in your living room.
owner: what can I do for you?
artist: well, after thinking about it for a while, I though a few changes might be in order. I just don't feel its really done.
owner: Well... I like it just the way it is...
artist: I'm the artist, its my right!
owner: well ok....
( Paint, Paint, Paint )
artist: There, I added a few things to the painting of that nebula. A planet, a sun, a few moons,...
owner: I guess its looks a little better...
( a few years later )
(knock knock)
artist: Hi again remember me?
owner: yea, what now?
artist: I did some more thinking....
owner: yea just get it done....
( a few years later )
(knock knock )
artist: well I kinda fudged the last time and....
owner: get it over with and get out!
( a few years later )
artist: Man you know, I just had this ich and....
owner: GOOD GOD MAN, leave me alone!
artist: its my right....
( paint, paint, paint )
artist: I'm all done with your Lama!
owner: I bought a paint of a nebula a few years back, which I liked, AND YOU"VE TURNED IT INTO A LAMA, WHICH I HATE!!!!??!?!
( sound of painting breaking over artists head and artist going out the second story window, never to return )
11) Jar-Jar replaces dianoga in trash compactor.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
all this 'how dare he change Episodes 4-6' blah blah, try to find a scene in the remastered editions thats NOT changed in some way already!
either new aliens added in scenes, ship/city models redone digitally or laser effects... either way they sure look far less dated than an equivalent age James Bond film, for example. Other than the clearly 70's haircuts they could pass as modern films!
When Annakin reunites with C3p0 on the farm in Episode II, c3p0 has obviously spent years there languishing through
Anakin's adolelesence, so why is that when C3p0 goes to the farm AGAIN in episode IV, he doesn't recognise it? I think
it's a fairy large plot hole that could be filled with some revisionist history on Episode IV.
Maybe C3p0 takes a blaster
hit which fries his memory, while escaping from the Emperial Ship , or maybe the Jawa's wipe it.
I have no pants and I must scream
It is a long standing aphorism in the film business that films are never finished, simply taken away from their creators. In this case, apparently the creator has enough money and power to keep it as long as he likes... And I have to agree with the previous poster, it's beginning to seem that ANH and Empire were the flukes. Ever see Howard The Duck?
"Goodness, how did you people live long enough to invent tools?" -Hobbes (the tiger, not the philosopher)
First there was Enterprise A-E
Now...
Starwars IV-VI A-C
Ugh...
There are like 600 different versions of Blade Runner... Lucas isn't there yet, but it wouldn't surprise me if he was headed in that direction. I wonder how he plans on fitting Howard the Duck into the new Indiana Jones film...
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(There is no thesis to this post, just some observations...)
When Sam Raimi gets better funding and decides to make Evil Dead 2 -- which is, let's face it, basically the same movie as Evil Dead -- we understand. Lucas should do the same thing: put version numbers after the movies, to reflect that he's redoing them now that he has infinite money and newer technlogy. So then you'd have Star Wars 1, Star Wars 2, and Star Wars 3 -- not episode numbers, just version number for ANH. Likewise, Empire 1, Empire 2, etc.
Raimi doesn't suppress Evil Dead 1. You can still get tapes of that. Lucas isn't approaching it the same way.
He won't release the first version on DVD because he knows no one would buy the edited version. He needs to justify the fact that he put all his time & effort into screwing around with it and showing off his screwing-around skillz...
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However, many books eluded to the training of storm troopers as being different than the usual break-grind-build routine that is so sucessful. The empire actually alters the mental states through various psycho-physical methods as chemically induced hypnotic suggestion throughout training. What you end up with are machines, but with the reasoning of humans (and thus superior adaptability).
So, basically unless Lucas decides to 'rewrite' the entire premise (which I realize is hinted at from this post) then it would serve nothing to change voices and such.
Here is a question for you though... why Jango? Besides the cashcow tie in to Boba Fett, would it not have made more sense to clone several people of differing abilities. Have some meaty fellows for the heavy shit, some medium guys for normal infantry, and lighter ones for special operations and strike missions. I always thought from the descriptions of Boba Fett's skills (and looking at Jango's... not to shabby) that he had 'Jedi' reflexes. Remember that like intellect, you can benefit from raw ability through trial and error training. That bastard was fast and very accurate and seemed a match for most Jedi. (Not Jules though... NO ONE puts the hurt on a Force empowered Jules) I still think Windu should drop his credit chit holder and we should get a flash of it having 'Bad MOther Fucker' on it.
As the grown up Padme.
Faggot.
Sorry but, this is "on topic" (in a round about sort of way. They mentioned Natalie Portman. I started thinking about her perky nipples in Episode 2. And, so I'm posting a picture of her topless: http://members.fortunecity.com/oops59/natalie_port man2301003.jpg Enjoy!
I dress as boba fett.
LUCAS IS MY GOD!!!
Depending on the attachments that robotic hand has she may dump Anakin and fight for custody of the hand. :-)
... "Jedi inserted into Portman"
HA! I KILL ME!
Who cares if new versions of the (old) episodes get made? I don't understand the negative reaction. The existing versions STILL EXIST. Keep watching those if you must watch Star Wars over and over again. Sheesh.
I say bring on the new stuff!
Possibly the most insightful analysis of Star Wars fans I've ever seen.
And for those of you labelling the poster insensative to battered partners, the fact is that a majority of abused partners (men and women) do return to their abusers many times. This poster is simply using this fact in an affective observation. So chill.
Ya Sure! You Betcha!, The_THOMAS
Every time you release an altered version of a previously copyrighted work, you can claim a NEW copyright. So if ANH gets re-edited and re-released in 2002, it gets a fresh copyright date -- 2002 -- without having to actually be a new work from scratch.
I'm not sure of the legal standing of this wrt to the original version, but for practical purposes it's probably effective as a method to extend copyright forever.
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
As George is doing his best to ensure the only versions of the original trilogy that you can buy are his newly 'enhanced' or 'revamped' ones, there are less and less ways of getting one's hands on a damn nice copy of the three films untouched.
Why do I care?
Because films are like little historical documents in a sense... while they are fantasy, SciFi in particular, they also show us what filmaking was capable of at the time they were made... by adding computer effects, new scenes etc. you are taking away from this. Rather than us having a collection of films that have absolutely breathtaking special effects, set design, costumes etc. for their time (Which still hold up amazingly well), we are left with an augmented patchwork of bits of the original films with effects 'repaired' and 'enhanced'... no longer can we marvel at how well they did things back then, instead we are left with only a feeling of 'my, wasn't that crap CGI they added there'... 'oh how I enjoyed it so much better before'.
Having had that little tirade, I'm all for restoration of films... clean up the prints, remaster the sound so we can hear it again... hell, even have a director's cut... BUT LET US STILL SEE THE ORIGINAL... go ape making a new version of the film... but please continue to give us access to the original...
Even if just so that film students still have something to study....
Oh well... Being so late in the day for this post, this won't be read, but I feel better for having vented. :)
...is that it will inspire other directors to do the same. What's worse is that they might not be satisfied with one edit. Could you imaging four or five different editions of any episode of Star Wars floating around? It would be insanity. To get up to date on what is really going on, you have to cough up the dough for four or five DVDs. That's the real problem, especially in Star Wars's case. The fans are so utterly devoted, that they will buy all the editions. Other directors, as stated above, will be induced to edit their movies. Of course, this motivation will be drived by greed, not creativity or the quest for perfection. In the end, most of these edits will be crappy, studios will lose tons of money, and we will have to pay more for DVDs than we already do. Let me put it in terms you can understand. Imagine that every time a new kernel came out, you had to pay $20 for it. Well, that's not exactly appropriate, but it's similar. In the end, I believe, this will be bad for the consumer.
Of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
Opening scene in SW IV: how Jar Jar became the evil Emperor.
*shudder*
Could happen.
This is my post. There are many others like it. If you don't like what you read here, go try one of the others.
Star Trek continued after Roddenberry died. There could be more movies set in the Star Wars univerise after ROTJ done by someone else (with Lucas's permission).
Meanwhile, Empire was undergoing changes itself. The postproduction crunch was so great that there weren't just sounds but actual visuals that differed between the 70 mm and 35 mm prints. They weren't major, of course, but there were lots of little things like scene transitions being straight cuts in one version and wipes or dissolves in the other, certain visual effects elements being composited differently (or not at all - for example, the Millennium Falcon's dish antenna is visible in the frame beside Luke when he falls from the weather vane in one version but not in the other), and so on, as well as different sound effects here and there. Not only that, but there was an additional effects shot or two finished just as the film was released: some of the establishing material of the rebel fleet at the end, with the Falcon docked on the medical frigate, wasn't originally there. It was decided that it wasn't sufficiently clear where the Falcon was and where the characters were in relation to each other, so well beyond the last minute ILM was called in to provide this tiny snippet of additional visuals; it was then edited into the last reel of the movie, and prints of that reel were then struck and sent out to theaters to replace the original reel. It took a couple (few?) weeks to replace them all, so depending on where one lived, one could conceivably have gone to see the movie four times in the first month it was released, and seen four different versions.
Also, for whatever reason, the 70 mm prints of Return of the Jedi didn't use at the beginning the new recording of the Main Title theme that John Williams had recorded along with the rest of the Jedi score, but used the minutely different recording made for Empire three years earlier (it's an extremely minor difference, and probably undetectable to most people, but there it is).
Star Wars was something of a moving target even once it hit video; the earliest videos ever released of the original movie don't feature part of one of Threepio's lines in the Death Star control room regarding the tractor beam. Most later editions featured this line (taken from one of the different mixes described above), although it was absent again on the new mix created for the THX remasters done in 1993 for a laserdisc boxed set (recycled in 1995 for VHS). This mix also featured several other sonic differences from the previous video releases, BTW (listen to the different sounds made by the debris of Alderaan as it hits the Falcon in the different versions). All this, and everything else above, happened before the Special Editions.
Those clamoring for a different version of The Phantom Menace might be interested to know, if they don't already, that the DVD version has been expanded a bit with some cool additional material in the pod race and in establishing shots on Coruscant. The running time is probably a minute and a half longer or so. Of course, it's nothing of real consequence, and doesn't address any of the movie's real flaws, but it does add to the movie (if only a tiny, little, inconsequential bit). Who knows whether he's done with it, though...
Moreover, getting away from Star Wars, when THX-1138 came out in 1971, the studio made changes to Lucas's cut (as studios do); when the film was rereleased in 1978 (after you-know-what had made Lucas a household name), Lucas was able to get the studio to put back the material, and the reissue featured what would surely have been called a "director's cut" had the term been in vogue. The '71 cut was 88 minutes; in '78, it was more like 93. The same thing happened with American Graffiti - when this '73 film was reissued in '78, the newly cloutful Lucas restored three scenes deleted from the '73 cut. All home video versions of American Graffiti have had this longer cut, although for some reason all video versions of THX-1138 revert to the shorter studio cut; the 1978 reissue has been the only way to see the longer version to date. Not only that, but for the 25th anniversary of Graffiti Lucas digitally altered the opening shot of Mel's Diner at the very beginning - the sky now has sunset-streaked clouds (compare an old, pre-1998 VHS or laserdisc of the movie with the recent VHS and DVD release - it's the first shot at the beginning, after the Universal and Lucasfilm logos).
Need more? Lucas has reedited all the episodes of The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles to meld each chronologically-adjacent pair into a two-hour-ish "movie," in some cases adding considerable quantities of footage to do so (much of it newly shot; reportedly, the youngest Indy, Corey Carrier, who plays Indy at ages 8 to 10 or so, has been digitally shrunk and reproportioned to resemble his visual age at the time the series was originally made). That's not to mention different versions of Young Indy to begin with, with one episode having originally had different sets of "bookends" (the framing sequences with an older Indy reminiscing about his experiences).
The point is: GL has been tinkering with and reworking his stuff for decades. It's nothing new. To me, the only issue is whether his changes are for better or worse; I have to say that most of the stuff I'm seeing rumors of now would suck, as do many of the changes made for the SEs. However, in all honesty, a lot of the alterations he's made to his work - in the SW SEs and elsewhere - really are worthwhile. Is the SE better than the original, overall? No, and neither are the new films as good as the old (although AotC is at least a real improvement over TPM), and that's the problem. Simply put, I think Lucas lost a lot of his creative faculties back around 1993; his creative decisions since then have largely been bad, where the ones before weren't. Argh, and oh well. I hope he regains whatever he lost. We'll see.
(Oh, and god help me for actually knowing all this stuff - I'm such a geek. If only there were someplace I could go - some sort of common gathering place for others like me - where geeks can speak freely, and converse with others of their ilk...)
Of course it's his intellectual property, and he's allowed to make any changes he wants. But that doesn't mean he'll change it for the better. There are better and worse works of art, you know.
My friends are allowed to put ketchup on their cornflakes in the morning -- this doesn't mean I shouldn't advise them it would be a really bad idea.
A long time ago, there was a movie called Looker where they used computerized people.
I am just waiting for the new release of Star Wars on DVD where they completely redo the movie in total CGI, similar to Final Fantasy.
Think about it, the story/scenes can be updated to match the newest movies and they can sell more copies of the first three movies.
Just an idea.
I think the issue of viewing order of each trilogy is a tough call. On one hand, when all the movies are done, it would be nice to have a coherent story ark accross all six movies as if they had been created in that order.
However, the dramatic effect of events unfolding in the first trilogy is really what makes that series. You remove a lot of tension in the story line if you know ahead of time who sired whom, etc. I believe that the movies will always have to be watched 4-6 then 1-3 the first time to get the full effect of the story.
Its not unheard of, hell, Tarantino messes with beginnings and endings within an individual movie, let alone between movies.
-Ben Huff
HEY!!! It's story telling!!!! Use your friggin imagination to fill in the blanks, not an entire rewrite of everything!!! get a grip... I still say it sucked
One of the big surprises when the first star wars came out was the fact that it was hugely successful. The cast and writing teams were blown away by the total success of the project. It would seem to me that adding characters to the originals and re-editing the whole progression to make it more like a whole story, rather rather than a group of individual viniettes would do the story nothing but good.
and hey, I liked jar-jar, dammit. If I had a tongue like his I'd never leave the house....
Stupid Humans.....
All he's probably gonna do is show a little clip of Natalie Portman in an upset mother stage after Anakin does something terrible to leave her and she has to hide the children before she dies of grief. It'll be a short clip, nothing bad there. What's wrong with Jar-Jar? He's a comic relief, but he's required!
Sometimes I'm told, "People suck!" I often respond, "You're a people!" I'm a people, too.
I disagree with the tongue thing, but I like Jar-Jar because its more than a single dimension humanoid. I like seeing idiots succeed in life. Perhaps its a selfish concept, though.
Sometimes I'm told, "People suck!" I often respond, "You're a people!" I'm a people, too.
He's a protocol droid. How many others are in all the Star Wars movies? How many would there be otherwise? HUNDREDS! THOUSANDS! AT LEAST ONE FOR EACH LANGUAGE! It does say in the article that Lucas says his memory is fried. In Star Wars novels, C3P0 and R2D2 have many many many adventures on their own, going from owner to amazingly crazy owner. Its not hard to imagine neither recognize each other. And R2D2 is only recognizable because Lucas makes him so, cause you don't see a lot of other R2/R4 units that are blue and round.
Sometimes I'm told, "People suck!" I often respond, "You're a people!" I'm a people, too.
If Jar Jar wasn't in Episode I, you would have noticed how annoying Annikin was. Since Jar Jar had such a minimal role in Episode II. C3PIO filled the role of the annoying character admirably.
Did anyone else notice how perky Natalie Portman looked in the tight white outfit that later had a Captain-Kirk-gets-his-shirt-ripped-off maneuver done to it to expose her tummy?
"You'll get nothing, and you'll like it!"
Obi-wan, with pregnant Padme in tow, is running away from a pre-armored Darth Vader. Jar-Jar's optimism, and just general childishness, comes into play and he tries to talk, Gungan to man, to Vader...and Vader cuts him down in cold blood. I think, once the next movie is over, we will all be thankful that TPM was as light as it was...
My predictions for added scenes/shots? Bail Organa (Jimmy Smits) on Alderaan just before it is destroyed, and Qui-gon Jinn being dropped into the end of ROTJ alongside Anakin, Yoda and Obi-wan.
When will they be released? I suspect 2007, the 30th anniversary of the first movie. I can see TPM in February, AOTC in March, III in April, ANH in May (the true 30th ann.), ESB in June, ROTJ in July. Then the full set, at least two discs per movie (plus two or three bonus discs) released in a DVD box set in October or November of 2007.
And then, I think, that will be it. Lucas will move on to other things and the stories will be done...
the idea was to show a large number of interacting species in a small area, but half of them looked so... crappy. I for one would be perfectly happy with his changing that scene into CGI. of course, the problem with current CGI is that unless you're doing CGI of a robot or something inorganic (...) the subject doesn't really look like he's part of the environment. this is especially so when you go to "dirty" areas, like a grimey saloon (as opposed to sterile environments). but.. whatever.
Anyway, the jar jar character could simply be part of a quick pan-by of all the different aliens...
I think the worst part of the jar jar character isn't the character himself. it's having to put up with shouts and boos when you're trying to watch a damned movie you just paid $8 to see! At Ep2 every time any scene with JJB came on screen you wouldn't be able to hear what was happening because of all the sound effects from the crowd. Sure, no one likes him, but Lucas obviously has taken the criticism personally to the character and isn't planning on removing him any time soon, so ... deal. :/
It requires a lot of doublethink to keep all of the events of the Star Wars universe straight, but I have faith in the fans! They'll be perfectly able to rationalize Jar Jar's surprise appearance in EP 4, while at the same time believing that he was never really there...
He still didn't "get it" though. People didn't hate Jar Jar because he was a half-witted idiot, IMO. C3PO was just as bad in his own way - a constantly pessimistic robot who never did anything to advance the plot but translate for his intelligent counterpart.
People hated Jar Jar because of the way he was allowed to dominate scenes. I don't want pure "comedy" scenes in my adventure movies. It completely breaks the flow. In the first three movies, C3PO's comments were integrated into the action. He never dominated the conversation or the action, as Jar Jar did in the first movie.
Which brings me to why Lucas still doesn't get it. In episode 2, C3PO dominates the screen with "comedy" with his own stupid sub-plot about his head getting replaced with a killer-droid's. It was the one horrific wish-I-weren't-there part of the movie. Especially with lines like "I feel beside myself". While it was much better, C3PO was still the "Jar Jar" of Episode 2.
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Why screw with the first trilogy (ep. 4-6) at all? These movies are valuable as-are, showing how the state-of-the-art in filmmaking was changed during their initial runs. They have a tougher ambience than episodes I and II, which I think comes from the DIY special effects Lucas & Co. had to devise.
A teacher of mine once said that true creativity manifests when faced with a challenge -- not necessarily when you have all the tools you want at your disposal. The muppet Yoda and other creatures, for instance, require less suspension of belief on my part to watch and enjoy than the CG characters and scenes, quite like the difference between hearing old, bass-drenched vinyl LPs and the tinny sound of compact discs.
They showed ROTJ on TV here (in Australia) just before the release of AOTC - in the very last scenes, when all the fireworks are going off, they also show fireworks going off over Coruscant - did anyone else see that?
He screwed up Han Solo's character completely when he switch Ep IV from Han shooting first to Greedo shooting first. Stupid. It turns Han from a real rogue who makes his way in life by staying one step ahead of the law into a misunderstood man who just suffers from a few bad breaks in life.
Other than that, I agree with you completely. Lucas lucked into 3 good movies and he's done everything he can since then to try to screw that up too.
...let's change the title of this post to that. ;)
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After being contacted by church eldars to help improve the church's image to the yonung, mr lucas has decided to rewrite the bible.
He was unable to be contacted for comment but his press office released this, "Mr Lucas thinks that Jar-Jar will fir it perfectally, you'll never belive who he fathers!"
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Bwah ha haaaaa.
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Look. These are rumours, which originate on Aint It Cool News - or as an SF journalist of my acquaintance calls it, "Ain't It Complete Shit Harry Just Made Up".
Talk to me when the DVDs are actually released...
"Information wants to be paid"
I also imagine they'll get Ian McDiarmid to redo the emporer's bits in episode V, replacing Clive Revill's voice and whoever that chimp-eyed green-painted woman was that did the visual.
The mahabarat has been reinterpreted for thousands of years, from books to comics to television, and you say stage versions also. Star wars has nice background stories, but it does not come close.
was to have the emperor die in episode IX. This idea was scrapped with Episode V.
Since the emperor dies now in episode VI, any episode past VI would not make the series more complete, but attach something unnatural to it. So stick with it - there won't be any more episodes.
why would anyone want to enjoy something that george lucas made. he's a greedy and stupid bastard businessman. star wars has always been lame......think about it...
hes right. Where are th modpoints when i need them...
Trying to avoid being as crude as possible, but,
/. regulars would prefer to have the verb 'inserted' and Natalie Portman in an entirely different context.
I'd have thought most of the
From my Autobiography - "Lifestyles of the Sad and Desperate"...
If you go to Jar-Jar-dum, you will die.
The original's copyright will not be extended of course. Copyright only applies to new works.
But she did suck in the Star Wars movies, but that's probably Lucas's fault. I think he has a Actor Distortion Field* or something like that.
*Like Steve Jobs' Reality Distortion Field.
The Drowned and the Saved - Primo Levi
I know I'm posting way late and I know there is no hope for modding up but I had to comment on the error in this post, to wit: The _original_ films now only exist as worn VHS tapes. You are most incorrect as they also exist in digital form via LaserDisc and I for one am very happy I have all three in their unedited, unchanged, unaltered format.
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Live as if you'll die tomorrow.
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Can he do more with the scene in SW:VI ROTJ with Leia in the gold bikini?
-Goran
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YES! This is the one and only way I would like to see Jar-Jar added to "A New Home."
Burn the &(*$ to a crisp. YES! DIE JAR-JAR DIE!
www.audible.com has an interview with Lucas (Robin Williams conducts the interview) in the "free" section where he talks about why Jar-Jar is so hated. He snorts and says "Fans don't like comic side kicks. They hated C3PO and they hated Yoda." He makes it pretty clear that he sees the Jar-Jar haters as being low life scum unworthy of licking the bantha dung off his shoe.
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Well, adding Natalie Portman to "Jedi" can hardly make it worse than the plague of Care Bears that shredded all its cred from the start. But the inclusion of the Dread JJB in ANH would spoil a still cool film! As if making that Greebo dude shoot first at Han Solo wasn't bad enough!
Following up on this thread... Here is a story that just flat calls George a Closet Racest... href="http://www.debateusa.com/featured/ghand.htm" George Lucas, Closet Racist
George Lucas is a racist. We know this because The Phantom Menace and the Rastafarian acting Jar Jar Binks showed his underlying hatred of black people, or so we were lead to believe. But there were those out there who were in denial about Lucas' hidden agenda, and demanded that this Hollywood icon be given the benefit of the doubt. Boy, do you have egg on your faces today.
The Judgement of the Foolish Need Only be Feared When it Flatters.
At least, not in any form where Luke or Leia or any main characters see her.
For those who are not familiar, star wars has an extensive novelization of the universe too. These books are not just trash novels like the star trek episodes. These novels have real continuity and each one is approved by Lucas so that they fit into a universe. The continuity problems are few and far between, unlike the star trek universe where such continuity problems are rampant since there is no attempt at real control.
In the novels after Jedi, at no point does Padme appear. Also, there is one trilogy where one of the plots is Luke searching for his mother. He never finds his mother in that trilogy either. So the fact remains that Luke does not know his mother and should not know his mother in the movies.
Otherwise Lucas will damage his own universe, destroy a hell of a lot of continuity, ergo bruising his ego far too much and causing him severe mental trauma.
By the way, why are we discussing highly suspect and unconfirmed rumors anyway?
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You seem to have had a raw nerve hit. You know, abusers and abusees may have found that comment offensive. Just as alcoholics find beer in their face offensive. But you need to realize that it is *you* with the problem, not everyone else. If that post made your hair stand up straight, you need to take some time to think about why.
You have issues buddy.
Go seek professional psychiatric assistance immediately.
You can't legislate goodness. Let each to his own destiny, by will of his freely made choices.
Basically I've been anticipating the trilogy of trilogies ever since I knew Star Wars was a neat movie (at least since '94 I've known about it.)
It's pretty much old news that that's the way it's intended to be. The most plausible explanation I've read is that Lucas originally had 3 movies he wanted to make, but each of those was so thick it would have to take up 3 movies by itself, he was told. So he did the middle "movie" first and that was the Star Wars trilogy. Makes sense to me.
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Not really, they hae an embeded version of the movie, but it's not feasable to release it to the public.
It would confuse the viewers and they wouldn't be able to all their AV equipment (read:thx,AC3,etc..) with individual releases.
Besides the "jar jar" module would commonly be removed, but would cause episode 2 to crash and episode 1 to just not make sense.
Besides, even though someone HAS proven this release is possible, you would be only hiding charicters behind other charicters but they would still be there.
I'd have to erase my incompatible versions of episode 4-6 (on VHS) and forget about them for anything to make sense.
THE WORLD IS GOING TO END!!!! eventually.
if people create emotional bonds to something, they have every right to wish and dream, they may not have any reason to expect - but who the hell are you to deny them their dreams.
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
Once upon a long long time ago on a planet far far away...
An incredible dreamer and true believer talentes highly above the average,
writes down the epic saga of good and evil. On a world a little like ours
(remember the beggars at Mos Eisley ?), sometimes clean,
often rotten, a bunch of nearly-children seeks out to gain knowledge
from an old man in order to safe the Universe (and yes, not a bit less).
Hunted by an intergalactic coorporation, called The Empire, these brave hearts
fight with their very little forces, driven by only one thing:
A New Hope ! So the world will be much better one day, not corrupt, not in fear.
Humanly desirable, not technically overpowered, commanded by a
creature who lost most of its human(ity) parts ("breath, breath")
and conquered by a pervert old fart....
("Huarwhahahahherrrerer DARK SIDE......UHAH JOOOOOYYYY, my son")
And they succeeded, hurray !
Twenty years later on a planet close close to ours
a techically skilled architect of power, a sales- and businessman,
washed in all waters of Good and Evil continues a saga of epic size,
well covered by machines (CGI) without heart (all actors seem to be
having side roles next to the CGI wonders) and totally and completly
directed at a market. When asked why he left the light side of the Force
George Lucas answered: "Breat, breath".
(Okay, let's say "cough, cough")
But The Saga is not over. Will Darth Lucas return to the Good side of the Force ?
Will he resign, kill the Imperialistic desires of the
Dark Side ? Will he defeat his evil alter Ego controlling The Imperium
(Lucasfilms, Lucasbooks, Lucasarts, IML, Lucasgames, Lucasminds, Lucasgirls, Lucasboys,
Lucassneekers, Lucasdrinks, Lucascoffee, Lucascars, Lucasparents, Lucaaaaaahhhhhhhh)
Will he kill the evil Imperator, the enemy of all joy, his own Ego ?
Will he give us a New Hope again ?
Wait and see and come back to part three when we hear Jar Jar Binks say:
"Good bye cruel world, I am never coming back!"
go to http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa021 700a.htm u r wrong about jfk u idiot misquoting him like that u asshole
I'd rather it had a scene with you in your Chewbacca costume. For some reason, I can't get that image out of my head, and it's deeply disturbing me.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
I bet we will see a lot of Natalie Portman in Episode III, but I bet she must dies horribly (more horribly that Anakin's mother and a lot less clothing) by the hands of the Trade Federation. That will cause Anakin to go completely over to the dark side, that is after he single handedly kills every members in the entire thousand system Trade Federation. The guy's got an understandable anger management problem!!!
:)
How else would he allow himself to become the all powerful Darth Vader we see in Episode IV? Normally, Anakin's good side (at least in Episode II) seems strong enough to resist the usual bribes. His only weakness is his huge thirst for revenge after a murder of a loved one! It would make Darth Vader a more understandable character.
Before long, Lucas is going to punish us all good during Episode III and we will simply scream for more. But we will scream louder if their more Natalie!!
Are you totally gay? I think they should insert Portman everywhere! She's sweet!
> What other movies has Lucas made that are worth watching?
I guess it depends on what you mean by "made" - if you mean "Directed", there's THX1138, American Graffiti, SW:EPIV, SW:EPI, SW:EPII. Which is pretty much all of his "major" works.
If you mean "Produced", then there's also SW:EPV, SW:EPVI, Raiders of the Lost Ark, the excellent - despite Jeff Bridges - "Tucker: The Man and his dream", the list goes on.
The real problem with Ep1&2 isn't that they're bad movies - they aren't, they're good movies. But they're NOT good George Lucas movies, and they ain't good Star Wars movies - I call this "Pink Floyd" syndrome.
When an individual (or group of individuals) produce a work that raises the bar as high as "A New Hope" did, then it's always going to be difficult to follow. Lucas followd it fine with Empire. And then gave us those f****** teddy bears in ROTJ - but it was still a good movie. Most filmmakers would give their right arm to turn out anything half as good.
Not everything that can be measured matters; Not everything that matters can be measured.
Shut up, Wesley!