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Yes, but it shouldn't be necessary to have scripting enabled to submit the data in the first place, which was my point. If the jscript is formatting the data in a particular way that the backend script processes, such that a regular POST submission will fail (and I've seen this) -- it's bad form.
Clarification: Stuffing your content into a.JAR and then calling that to display the content as an example. Reloading a div or twiddling a few page elements is not the same thing -- those should still render if jscript is disabled... but if the content isn't there because jscript is disabled that's a problem.
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, don't use javascript unless there's a need. Keep the content separate from the interface. I see way to many people using javascript to mangle this golden rule.
Don't use it to hide the contents so you can throw up a "but you have cookies disabled and we can't track you." Don't try and block off your page because your advertisers want to use javascript to enable a billion popups. Don't use scripting to sanitize your POST submissions; You should handle that on the backend, it's more secure anyway. Don't use it to load content; That's what CSS and XML are for and it renders faster anyway. Don't try and use javascript to obfusciate or disable standard web features (like view source). It's not going to stop anyone who wants to make a copy and it'll piss off everyone else. Don't make your entire site dependent on having javascript enabled. If you're worth your salt as a developer you can find a way to make that page render without enabling javascript. Sure, it may not have all the chrome and pretty-shiny on it, but remember that there's a lot of devices and a lot of browsers that use the web, as well as people who are color blind, blind altogether, or who use low-end systems, or cell phones, or PDAs, etc.
You can't expect every guy to completely understand every word that she says, it just doesn't work that way. She needs to explain it to him in more frank terms, not wishy-washy words
Girls aren't "frank" because girls don't want to offend or make it sound like they aren't flexible. So the wishy-washy language is more of a way of protecting the feelings of others, which girls find more important than what everyone does together (which is viewed as more of the excuse to socialize). As an example, look at how a group of girls decide where to eat:
First, there's the question -- is anyone hungry? The usual answers are "hell yes", "yes", "a little", "not really", "just ate", and "I would but I'm on a diet." If the majority are in the positive, then the next question is about where to eat. If anyone said they're on a diet, they might be asked more to narrow the list down before... Second, where do we want to eat? Everyone throws in a suggestion and the answers again vary from "sure" to "just ate there!" to "I'm a vegetarian" (which never qualifies as a 'diet', so it comes up here -- it's also often political, but that's another story). Unlike the majority vote before, this one is about finding something that everyone can live with (so it takes longer). After about 5-10 minutes, we'll either have an answer or the driver excercises their executive override and picks the best answer she can. Hopefully, nobody pouts about it if this happens. Then, while we're driving to the place, we might see a restaurant that we hadn't considered before and everyone will shout "yeah yeah, let's go there!" which results in a u-turn, a traffic snarl, and several horns as we tear into the parking lot amidst a stream of expletives and apologies. -_-
First guy: "I'm hungry. Wanna go to taco bell?" Second guy: "Yeah sure." Other guys: *head nod*
Girls are all about negotiation and making everyone feel happy that they got something. That's why we use "wishy washy" language... It's so it doesn't sound like we're being a bitch about it, and that we listen and care about what others' opinions are. Guys just want a quick answer that's "good enough" in most cases... They don't like negotiation because for them it's too much like arguing. And all that "emo crap" just gets in the way of The Job(tm).
Nice to see we have some friendly competition for the coveted "Most Hours Spent Sitting on Our Arse" award. *looks around* Hmm. Why are all these people looking at me like I just ran over their dog? And at least four of them have pitchforks.
I would mod you +1, Informative, if I had the points. Sadly, some purveyors of online forums believe that because they created it, they aren't answerable to the users -- they do first and ask forgiveness later. Of course, there's the flip--one of the earlier posters in your thread mentioned Digg; Despite it being a really crappy feed, it listens to its userbase. Which is probably the reason why it's so crappy. -_- In days of old, Slashdot would make 'meta' posts about upcoming features or changes to the main page, thus allowing for feedback while still tipping the hat to the authors. Maybe we should petition to bring back that bit of forward thinking...
It's a nice idea, but the messages are still being sent in the clear, and anyone monitoring your internet traffic would be able to readily identify which sites were visited and in which order. If you're trying to hide something, this is a poor way of doing so. Especially since it's likely there would be a need for repeated communication, and there's still the problem of "key exchange" as it were. In short, it might fool a casual observer, but I doubt it would get past someone with training -- this is something even an FBI field agent would likely pick up on (note the sarcasm). A proper stenographic technique should perform even under close surveillance.
Sorry, I didn't mean to sound as though I was defending the guy -- just trying to provide some insight as to why he (and many other guys) behave that way. Most guys simply do not understand "girlspeak," and, unless you've found one of the rare ones who does, expecting him to figure it out is just an exercise in frustration.
Uhh, didn't say that you were. I was just providing a "view from the other side". And yes, it's rare. I'm just wondering if there's a way to turn their love of video games into something that develops social skills, as long as they're going to do it.
his may be a silly question, but -- she may have spent three hours bitching to you about it, but has she spent that much time talking to him about it?
Dammit, this wasn't supposed to be about my friend, but whether games can help boys develop social skills--instead of providing an escape from socially awkward situations. And yes, she has.
Casually saying something like, "Oh, I wish you'd spend less time playing WoW" doesn't count -- his internal reaction will be "Ok, I'll log off fifteen minutes early today," then he'll shrug and move on.
girlspeak translation: Get off the damn computer and pay attention to me when I'm around. It's damn rude to have someone over and then leave them to entertain themselves so you can go play a video game. Homework or a few minutes of e-mail, not a big deal... Wasting four hours on a video game because you need to "relax"... It gives a clear message: I'm not wanted. And when it's my boyfriend doing that, then it's elevate to not only aren't I wanted, but that I'm less attractive than a hunk of circuits and plastic. So yeah, most girls are going to be rightly pissed about that!
If he accepts that it's a problem, he can fix it, but otherwise his girlfriend will either have to just accept it or leave him.
And yet they wonder why we call it an addiction...
Yeah, I'll say. I just got done having a three hour bitch fest yesterday with a friend of mine who's BF is 'addicted' to World of Warcraft. She doesn't have a lot of experience with boys (much more with girls -- no comments on this please!), and I've had to mother her a bit on why a boy can sink twenty or more hours a week into a video game and says it "helps me relax and challenges me", but afterwords can't come up with anything better to do than "go bowling" ("where"? "Umm... I'm sure there's one around somewhere"), or "go for a walk".
I tried my best to explain how men are so much more visually oriented than girls, but it's a hard concept to really explain. It's not that they're addicted to video games, it's just that the game provides more visual action than the real world so they're more strongly attracted to it. Girls read books, boys watch movies--Boys play video games, girls play board games, that kind of thing. They really are wired different and it's damn frustrating.
I often find myself wishing for video games that helped build social skills for these kind of boys -- the ones that are awkward and introverted in public, but if you can get them to open up they're nice teddy bears. I don't think they'd want to play it though, unless it involved blowing up or shooting something.:( Like The Sims -- awesome game, but the only people I know who play it are other girls! Am I hoping for too much here? Is there some way to use some visual medium to help boys crawl out of their shell?
So I take my used up, chemically destroyed battery to some government-sponsored facility and exchange it for a brand new one, and it costs me nothing? That's good!
But terrorists now have a great place to load up on acids that can be used to build bombs -- the government will now keep the raw materials in sealed plastic containers and give them away as "bio-friendly" electric car batteries. That's bad.
It'll create zero emissions and be cheaper to recharge than refill. That's good!
The batteries contain lead and other things that reeeeally shouldn't go into landfills. That's bad.
Downloading software is no longer a valid business use? Why, because P2P is only used for illegal purposes? You must be in management if that's your line of thinking.
Disclaimer: IANAL. If any blocking or filtering is done then that could be construed as evidence that the service provider is aware that infringement is taking place, and also that 512(a) of the DMCA, which provides safe harbor for "transient network communications" would no longer apply because the ISP is controlling or modifying content on (or through) their system. YMMV in other jurisdictions. This of course doesn't address the tertiary issue that such blocking violates net neutrality principles and may also be a tort (contract) violation, especially if it's not part of the usage agreement.
First, they need actual knowledge that infringement has occurred. It should be noted that a takedown notice does not apply to transitory network communications, which is what this appears to be (P2P). With that in hand, a takedown notice requires the following --
(i) A physical or electronic signature of a person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.
(ii) Identification of the copyrighted work claimed to have been infringed, or, if multiple copyrighted works at a single online site are covered by a single notification, a representative list of such works at that site.
(iii) Identification of the material that is claimed to be infringing or to be the subject of infringing activity and that is to be removed or access to which is to be disabled, and information reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to locate the material.
(iv) Information reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to contact the complaining party, such as an address, telephone number, and, if available, an electronic mail address at which the complaining party may be contacted.
(v) A statement that the complaining party has a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law.
(vi) A statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.
They haven't made a request for takedown, haven't cited the applicable laws for the aforementioned, and do not mention the specific instance of the infraction. What you've got here is a bullshit takedown notice. It's a scare tactic. Send back to your ISP that it is not a valid DMCA notification and no action is necessary. Also, it takes more than an IP address to prove infringement -- they also have to prove it was you, on a computer that was using that IP address, at that time. Short of a forensic search of the computer in question, they have nothing.
Yeah, I've thought about that. I usually pretend to be a boy on most forums because it makes life so much easier, but my friends convinced me that I was just giving in to sexism by doing that. I work with computers, and most of my female friends are either lesbians or bi, so you can imagine how it is with them. I'm "in training" because I'm a tomboy... grew up in the country, moved to the city and got taken in by lesbians and tomboys.:) I'm trying to be more femme, hence the nick.
Bad Apple. Shame on you. That said, Microsoft did the same thing with Windows Media Player, Internet Explorer, and Windows Search. Firefox enabled it by default. Many, many companies auto-update and send information back to their servers without their users explicit permission -- and no, I don't think burying it in the EULA counts. Many applications have options to disable this, some don't. Many of us have software firewalls to block these kind of accesses -- It's sad when you need a firewall to keep legitimate software on your system from phoning home, but I know people do it.
Apple has an even bigger attitude than Microsoft of "Everything we do is to make the user's life easier." So they turn on anything that can be justified as "protecting" them or making their life easier. It's condescending, but most people aren't literate enough to notice or care so it's a business model that works. Barring some government regulation to put an end to this, which honestly won't happen, I don't see this pattern of thinking in our industry changing... If anything, I see it getting worse.
Fire proof safes are often designed to protect paper by releasing foam that deprives the environment of oxygen necessary for it to burn. The internal temperature of the safe can and often does exceed several hundred degrees; Easily enough to destroy any electronic equipment. Check the design before you buy, or when you need it most you may find it was lacking.
Umm, I am a girl... and yes that is how spy satellites work, except that they are a lot smaller because they don't need to capture as much light to get an exposure.
Well, since BT traffic stresses a network's resources more than any other, and is the subject of aggressive filtering and other control methods, I'd have to say it's as good a baseline as any. It's easy enough to do performance testing in a laboratory where all conditions are controlled, but when you start running packets through dozens of administrative domains each with their own configurations, equipment, etc., what you have is a very organic problem that it nearly impossible to diagnose.
To use the obligatory car analogies we heart so much on slashdot, this is like your real world week to week gas mileage, whereas the laboratory testing is like the EPA rated gas mileage. As your car gets older, gets stuck in traffic, etc., it's going to fall short of that rating -- but because it all averages out in the end it's a more reliable metric. But like any other statistic, it needs to be taken with others; Getting 40 miles to the gallon sounds great until you find out the car only has a briggs and straton engine and does zero to sixty in about a minute. Or as I call them Saturns.
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Yes, but it shouldn't be necessary to have scripting enabled to submit the data in the first place, which was my point. If the jscript is formatting the data in a particular way that the backend script processes, such that a regular POST submission will fail (and I've seen this) -- it's bad form.
Clarification: Stuffing your content into a .JAR and then calling that to display the content as an example. Reloading a div or twiddling a few page elements is not the same thing -- those should still render if jscript is disabled... but if the content isn't there because jscript is disabled that's a problem.
Dear web developers,
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, don't use javascript unless there's a need. Keep the content separate from the interface. I see way to many people using javascript to mangle this golden rule.
Don't use it to hide the contents so you can throw up a "but you have cookies disabled and we can't track you."
Don't try and block off your page because your advertisers want to use javascript to enable a billion popups.
Don't use scripting to sanitize your POST submissions; You should handle that on the backend, it's more secure anyway.
Don't use it to load content; That's what CSS and XML are for and it renders faster anyway.
Don't try and use javascript to obfusciate or disable standard web features (like view source). It's not going to stop anyone who wants to make a copy and it'll piss off everyone else.
Don't make your entire site dependent on having javascript enabled. If you're worth your salt as a developer you can find a way to make that page render without enabling javascript. Sure, it may not have all the chrome and pretty-shiny on it, but remember that there's a lot of devices and a lot of browsers that use the web, as well as people who are color blind, blind altogether, or who use low-end systems, or cell phones, or PDAs, etc.
You can't expect every guy to completely understand every word that she says, it just doesn't work that way. She needs to explain it to him in more frank terms, not wishy-washy words
Girls aren't "frank" because girls don't want to offend or make it sound like they aren't flexible. So the wishy-washy language is more of a way of protecting the feelings of others, which girls find more important than what everyone does together (which is viewed as more of the excuse to socialize). As an example, look at how a group of girls decide where to eat:
First, there's the question -- is anyone hungry? The usual answers are "hell yes", "yes", "a little", "not really", "just ate", and "I would but I'm on a diet." If the majority are in the positive, then the next question is about where to eat. If anyone said they're on a diet, they might be asked more to narrow the list down before... Second, where do we want to eat? Everyone throws in a suggestion and the answers again vary from "sure" to "just ate there!" to "I'm a vegetarian" (which never qualifies as a 'diet', so it comes up here -- it's also often political, but that's another story). Unlike the majority vote before, this one is about finding something that everyone can live with (so it takes longer). After about 5-10 minutes, we'll either have an answer or the driver excercises their executive override and picks the best answer she can. Hopefully, nobody pouts about it if this happens. Then, while we're driving to the place, we might see a restaurant that we hadn't considered before and everyone will shout "yeah yeah, let's go there!" which results in a u-turn, a traffic snarl, and several horns as we tear into the parking lot amidst a stream of expletives and apologies. -_-
First guy: "I'm hungry. Wanna go to taco bell?"
Second guy: "Yeah sure."
Other guys: *head nod*
Girls are all about negotiation and making everyone feel happy that they got something. That's why we use "wishy washy" language... It's so it doesn't sound like we're being a bitch about it, and that we listen and care about what others' opinions are. Guys just want a quick answer that's "good enough" in most cases... They don't like negotiation because for them it's too much like arguing. And all that "emo crap" just gets in the way of The Job(tm).
Nice to see we have some friendly competition for the coveted "Most Hours Spent Sitting on Our Arse" award. *looks around* Hmm. Why are all these people looking at me like I just ran over their dog? And at least four of them have pitchforks.
Well, I'm going for a walk!
*backs away slowly*
I would mod you +1, Informative, if I had the points. Sadly, some purveyors of online forums believe that because they created it, they aren't answerable to the users -- they do first and ask forgiveness later. Of course, there's the flip--one of the earlier posters in your thread mentioned Digg; Despite it being a really crappy feed, it listens to its userbase. Which is probably the reason why it's so crappy. -_- In days of old, Slashdot would make 'meta' posts about upcoming features or changes to the main page, thus allowing for feedback while still tipping the hat to the authors. Maybe we should petition to bring back that bit of forward thinking...
It's a nice idea, but the messages are still being sent in the clear, and anyone monitoring your internet traffic would be able to readily identify which sites were visited and in which order. If you're trying to hide something, this is a poor way of doing so. Especially since it's likely there would be a need for repeated communication, and there's still the problem of "key exchange" as it were. In short, it might fool a casual observer, but I doubt it would get past someone with training -- this is something even an FBI field agent would likely pick up on (note the sarcasm). A proper stenographic technique should perform even under close surveillance.
Circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because...
Sorry, I didn't mean to sound as though I was defending the guy -- just trying to provide some insight as to why he (and many other guys) behave that way. Most guys simply do not understand "girlspeak," and, unless you've found one of the rare ones who does, expecting him to figure it out is just an exercise in frustration.
Uhh, didn't say that you were. I was just providing a "view from the other side". And yes, it's rare. I'm just wondering if there's a way to turn their love of video games into something that develops social skills, as long as they're going to do it.
his may be a silly question, but -- she may have spent three hours bitching to you about it, but has she spent that much time talking to him about it?
Dammit, this wasn't supposed to be about my friend, but whether games can help boys develop social skills--instead of providing an escape from socially awkward situations. And yes, she has.
Casually saying something like, "Oh, I wish you'd spend less time playing WoW" doesn't count -- his internal reaction will be "Ok, I'll log off fifteen minutes early today," then he'll shrug and move on.
girlspeak translation: Get off the damn computer and pay attention to me when I'm around. It's damn rude to have someone over and then leave them to entertain themselves so you can go play a video game. Homework or a few minutes of e-mail, not a big deal... Wasting four hours on a video game because you need to "relax"... It gives a clear message: I'm not wanted. And when it's my boyfriend doing that, then it's elevate to not only aren't I wanted, but that I'm less attractive than a hunk of circuits and plastic. So yeah, most girls are going to be rightly pissed about that!
If he accepts that it's a problem, he can fix it, but otherwise his girlfriend will either have to just accept it or leave him.
And yet they wonder why we call it an addiction...
Yeah, I'll say. I just got done having a three hour bitch fest yesterday with a friend of mine who's BF is 'addicted' to World of Warcraft. She doesn't have a lot of experience with boys (much more with girls -- no comments on this please!), and I've had to mother her a bit on why a boy can sink twenty or more hours a week into a video game and says it "helps me relax and challenges me", but afterwords can't come up with anything better to do than "go bowling" ("where"? "Umm... I'm sure there's one around somewhere"), or "go for a walk".
I tried my best to explain how men are so much more visually oriented than girls, but it's a hard concept to really explain. It's not that they're addicted to video games, it's just that the game provides more visual action than the real world so they're more strongly attracted to it. Girls read books, boys watch movies--Boys play video games, girls play board games, that kind of thing. They really are wired different and it's damn frustrating.
I often find myself wishing for video games that helped build social skills for these kind of boys -- the ones that are awkward and introverted in public, but if you can get them to open up they're nice teddy bears. I don't think they'd want to play it though, unless it involved blowing up or shooting something. :( Like The Sims -- awesome game, but the only people I know who play it are other girls! Am I hoping for too much here? Is there some way to use some visual medium to help boys crawl out of their shell?
I'm nobody's son, but I do like watching the Simpsons. -_-
So I take my used up, chemically destroyed battery to some government-sponsored facility and exchange it for a brand new one, and it costs me nothing? That's good!
But terrorists now have a great place to load up on acids that can be used to build bombs -- the government will now keep the raw materials in sealed plastic containers and give them away as "bio-friendly" electric car batteries. That's bad.
It'll create zero emissions and be cheaper to recharge than refill. That's good!
The batteries contain lead and other things that reeeeally shouldn't go into landfills. That's bad.
But they'll come with a free coupon! That's good!
The coupon is also cursed...
Downloading software is no longer a valid business use? Why, because P2P is only used for illegal purposes? You must be in management if that's your line of thinking.
Disclaimer: IANAL. If any blocking or filtering is done then that could be construed as evidence that the service provider is aware that infringement is taking place, and also that 512(a) of the DMCA, which provides safe harbor for "transient network communications" would no longer apply because the ISP is controlling or modifying content on (or through) their system. YMMV in other jurisdictions. This of course doesn't address the tertiary issue that such blocking violates net neutrality principles and may also be a tort (contract) violation, especially if it's not part of the usage agreement.
First, they need actual knowledge that infringement has occurred. It should be noted that a takedown notice does not apply to transitory network communications, which is what this appears to be (P2P). With that in hand, a takedown notice requires the following --
(i) A physical or electronic signature of a person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.
(ii) Identification of the copyrighted work claimed to have been infringed, or, if multiple copyrighted works at a single online site are covered by a single notification, a representative list of such works at that site.
(iii) Identification of the material that is claimed to be infringing or to be the subject of infringing activity and that is to be removed or access to which is to be disabled, and information reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to locate the material.
(iv) Information reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to contact the complaining party, such as an address, telephone number, and, if available, an electronic mail address at which the complaining party may be contacted.
(v) A statement that the complaining party has a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law.
(vi) A statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.
Sample notice
They haven't made a request for takedown, haven't cited the applicable laws for the aforementioned, and do not mention the specific instance of the infraction. What you've got here is a bullshit takedown notice. It's a scare tactic. Send back to your ISP that it is not a valid DMCA notification and no action is necessary. Also, it takes more than an IP address to prove infringement -- they also have to prove it was you, on a computer that was using that IP address, at that time. Short of a forensic search of the computer in question, they have nothing.
No, I'm not doing it for men. ;)
Yeah, I've thought about that. I usually pretend to be a boy on most forums because it makes life so much easier, but my friends convinced me that I was just giving in to sexism by doing that. I work with computers, and most of my female friends are either lesbians or bi, so you can imagine how it is with them. I'm "in training" because I'm a tomboy... grew up in the country, moved to the city and got taken in by lesbians and tomboys. :) I'm trying to be more femme, hence the nick.
Bad Apple. Shame on you. That said, Microsoft did the same thing with Windows Media Player, Internet Explorer, and Windows Search. Firefox enabled it by default. Many, many companies auto-update and send information back to their servers without their users explicit permission -- and no, I don't think burying it in the EULA counts. Many applications have options to disable this, some don't. Many of us have software firewalls to block these kind of accesses -- It's sad when you need a firewall to keep legitimate software on your system from phoning home, but I know people do it.
Apple has an even bigger attitude than Microsoft of "Everything we do is to make the user's life easier." So they turn on anything that can be justified as "protecting" them or making their life easier. It's condescending, but most people aren't literate enough to notice or care so it's a business model that works. Barring some government regulation to put an end to this, which honestly won't happen, I don't see this pattern of thinking in our industry changing... If anything, I see it getting worse.
Fire proof safes are often designed to protect paper by releasing foam that deprives the environment of oxygen necessary for it to burn. The internal temperature of the safe can and often does exceed several hundred degrees; Easily enough to destroy any electronic equipment. Check the design before you buy, or when you need it most you may find it was lacking.
Umm, I am a girl... and yes that is how spy satellites work, except that they are a lot smaller because they don't need to capture as much light to get an exposure.
Well, since BT traffic stresses a network's resources more than any other, and is the subject of aggressive filtering and other control methods, I'd have to say it's as good a baseline as any. It's easy enough to do performance testing in a laboratory where all conditions are controlled, but when you start running packets through dozens of administrative domains each with their own configurations, equipment, etc., what you have is a very organic problem that it nearly impossible to diagnose.
To use the obligatory car analogies we heart so much on slashdot, this is like your real world week to week gas mileage, whereas the laboratory testing is like the EPA rated gas mileage. As your car gets older, gets stuck in traffic, etc., it's going to fall short of that rating -- but because it all averages out in the end it's a more reliable metric. But like any other statistic, it needs to be taken with others; Getting 40 miles to the gallon sounds great until you find out the car only has a briggs and straton engine and does zero to sixty in about a minute. Or as I call them Saturns.
Well, it's almost as good as what the NSA uses to spy on you with. Aren't you glad we have our priorities straight in this country?
Well, if he's crying it's probably because of something you did.