> It would be nice to know whether you people think it is reasonable to own a 360 and still be > opposing MS and its associated business methods.
Yes, because I don't really believe in the political consumer. I believe a good citizen should use his wallet to buy the legal goods he find the best value, and his vote to get the politicians who will protect the market from trusts, and ensure the goods are produced ethically. The market works best that way.
And if you want to play politics with your wallet, it should be as part of an organized effort, with carefully selected high profile targets. Otherwise, it isn't going to have any effect.
I'd not buy an XBox 360, but only because my main requirement for a game console would be that it should be silent.
Wikipedia only works if there are multiple competent editors who independently contribute to the article, and correct each others mistakes. If that is not the case, the article is really just a soapbox or blog for one person (even if that person happens to be correct).
I see the notability criteria as an attempt to ensure that. Which means that they have to be flexible, and change as the demographics of Wikipedia change. Subjects related to free software and Libertarianism are relatively less notable now than they used to be, as the demographics have become much more mainstream. But in absolute terms all subjects have become more notable, as the increasing number of editors means more subjects are likely to have multiple independent editors.
Magneto and Tom Bombadil are integrated enough into our culture that I'd not be surprised to see references to them outside superhero and fantasy context. Much less surprised than seeing references to e.g. Torg of Sluggy Freelance (the only web comics i read regularly, and one of the oldest and most popular such) outside a comics context.
But I wouldn't defend the notability of Matter-Eater Lad.
Do you honestly believe that there are 300 people in the project with nothing to do beside waiting for a new device that needs a driver? All of them have a life (of some kind) with other stuff to do, and most of the are likely involved in other development projects. They just feel they have the expertise and surplus to also work on a device driver, should the need arise.
The original message was hardly a complaint, just a way to make hardware manufactures aware of the possibility of having this group write drivers for their devices.
> And that, in a nutshell, is why Linux will never be mainstream.
Linux will not be mainstream because developers communicate openly (in developer oriented web sites) about the status of their respective sub-projects?
I believe you are underestimating ordinary users, most of them can figure out that when they buy Foobar Linux 3.14 they should ask Foobar Corporation what hardware they support, not rely one what nerd websites claim "Linux" supports.
The name confusion between Linux the kernel and the GNU/Linux family of operating systems is annoying, but not likely to be what kill either.
He wants a working system, so he should go to the people who sell (or give away) working systems. That is, the people who put together distributions like e.g. Red Hat or Debian.
People who work on one aspect of the system are welcome to proudly declare their part for done. Especially at developer oriented sites like/.. The GCC developers have every right to proudly declare "we finally implemented 'export', our support for C++ is now complete!" even though GIMP still doesn't support CMYK color model.
The confusion probably stem for the kernel having the same name as the system. It would be better if they had different names, like calling the later GNU or something.
Illegal is not the same as criminal, so he doesn't accuse them of being criminals. Merely lawbreakers. It is unlikely but possible that the people who bought and installed the Thai versions thereby broke the law. The law in question would then be contract law, and it would depend on the interpretation and binding power of the EULA.
> Well you can't bring region-locked games or DVDs into other countries and expect them to > work on your friend's console/player...
If your friend lives outside region 1, you most likely can play your DVD on his player. Most of the cheap, no-name DVD machines around here (region 2) are region free. I'd expect the same to be true just about everywhere outside region 1. Maybe even inside as well.
If you can't use a version bought in one EU country in another EU country, that is a technical trade barrier, and very much against EU regulation. The vast majority of EU regulation is directly or indirectly geared towards making EU (or rather EEA) a single market.
However, no such protection protection applies for stuff imported from outside EU. In fact, EU recently invented a new copyright concept "regional publishing" making it illegal to commercially parallel import copyrighted material from outside EU, that had not been published within EU. You can still do it privately, but it meant that the "region 1 dvds" shelves disappeared from dvd stores, and that the comic book stores reselling US comics are now breaking the law (fortunately, unlike the movie industry, the comic book industry isn't Pure Evil, so nobody gets sued for the later).
This is not globalization, but regionalizing. Something the "IP" industry loves, because it allows them to set different prices in different markets.
Globalization (= free trade) is good for consumers (and eventually, everyone). Regionalizing (= artificial trade barriers) is bad for consumers (and eventually, everyone).
It is basic economic theory, when you prevent a trade, you make both parties poorer.
The interface won't know that the new tag is a specialization of the the old tag, the way it knows a subfolder is a specialization of a folder.
With my old folder based email client I had a hierarchical view of the folders, and could open and close branches. I could also apply operations on a whole branch. I can do no such thing with tags as implemented in gmail, and as a result I have far fewer tags than I used to have folders.
I can easily imagine ways to extend tags so they would be as powerful as a folder hierarchy, for example by allowing you to tag tags. But they are not in gmail.
> Do you really expect people to port a compiler to a new platform just to compile OSS code?
I expect them not to have to. Only one person or group needs to do they port. Usually this is done by the people who make the new platform, GCC is the system compiler on most new platforms.
Back when GCC was managed by RMS, he liked adding "convenient" extensions to the language. One of the reasons was to "tie" the programs to GCC as you describe.
The current maintainers have quite a different view on them, they only add extensions for things that can't be expressed in the language (mostly stuff close to hardware, or sometimes optimization hints), and they give them __unwieldy_names__. And they are slowly removing the convenience features.
If you don't get a warning from an extension (rather than a "quality of implementation" issue) with -ansi -pedantic it is a bug.
There probably are such bugs (GCC is big and complex, and there are stuff in the language that can't really be tested) but I guess you can't actually mention any, since you are most likely just a troll making stuff up as you go. So I challenge you to mention one such issue that can not be found in the bug database to prove you are not a troll. And if you can mention two such issues, I'm willing to believe that you are not a kook either. In either case, please submit a bug report when done:-)
My main contribution to "discussions" with creationist is that in my experience as a programmer, complex (software) systems are a result of evolution rather than intelligent design.
I don't care about how tags are used in other placed. In/. I use them as a very condensed summary of the discussion. And the yes and no tags are quite useful for that. If only one of them appears, it usually represent the community consensus. If both appear, it shows that the community is divided on the issue.
The tags has become less useful lately though. Don't know why.
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The assignment may very well be good for the student, but not necessarily good for Wikipedia.
... is to provide a outlet for self-important whiners.
Let's never forget that!
> It would be nice to know whether you people think it is reasonable to own a 360 and still be
> opposing MS and its associated business methods.
Yes, because I don't really believe in the political consumer. I believe a good citizen should use his wallet to buy the legal goods he find the best value, and his vote to get the politicians who will protect the market from trusts, and ensure the goods are produced ethically. The market works best that way.
And if you want to play politics with your wallet, it should be as part of an organized effort, with carefully selected high profile targets. Otherwise, it isn't going to have any effect.
I'd not buy an XBox 360, but only because my main requirement for a game console would be that it should be silent.
Wikipedia only works if there are multiple competent editors who independently contribute to the article, and correct each others mistakes. If that is not the case, the article is really just a soapbox or blog for one person (even if that person happens to be correct).
I see the notability criteria as an attempt to ensure that. Which means that they have to be flexible, and change as the demographics of Wikipedia change. Subjects related to free software and Libertarianism are relatively less notable now than they used to be, as the demographics have become much more mainstream. But in absolute terms all subjects have become more notable, as the increasing number of editors means more subjects are likely to have multiple independent editors.
Magneto and Tom Bombadil are integrated enough into our culture that I'd not be surprised to see references to them outside superhero and fantasy context. Much less surprised than seeing references to e.g. Torg of Sluggy Freelance (the only web comics i read regularly, and one of the oldest and most popular such) outside a comics context.
But I wouldn't defend the notability of Matter-Eater Lad.
You could argue that scientist reading each others articles and commenting on (and finding fault in) them is also a peer review. Public this time.
Do you honestly believe that there are 300 people in the project with nothing to do beside waiting for a new device that needs a driver? All of them have a life (of some kind) with other stuff to do, and most of the are likely involved in other development projects. They just feel they have the expertise and surplus to also work on a device driver, should the need arise.
The original message was hardly a complaint, just a way to make hardware manufactures aware of the possibility of having this group write drivers for their devices.
> And that, in a nutshell, is why Linux will never be mainstream.
Linux will not be mainstream because developers communicate openly (in developer oriented web sites) about the status of their respective sub-projects?
I believe you are underestimating ordinary users, most of them can figure out that when they buy Foobar Linux 3.14 they should ask Foobar Corporation what hardware they support, not rely one what nerd websites claim "Linux" supports.
The name confusion between Linux the kernel and the GNU/Linux family of operating systems is annoying, but not likely to be what kill either.
He wants a working system, so he should go to the people who sell (or give away) working systems. That is, the people who put together distributions like e.g. Red Hat or Debian.
/.. The GCC developers have every right to proudly declare "we finally implemented 'export', our support for C++ is now complete!" even though GIMP still doesn't support CMYK color model.
People who work on one aspect of the system are welcome to proudly declare their part for done. Especially at developer oriented sites like
The confusion probably stem for the kernel having the same name as the system. It would be better if they had different names, like calling the later GNU or something.
With 512 MiB in the "large" model? Not likely.
> Canadian dollars, right? So in American that guy just got back $10k, right? Payday!
The Canadian dollar is strong, but not strong enough that CAD 200 is equal to USD 10000 (or as you wrote it, $10k).
Illegal is not the same as criminal, so he doesn't accuse them of being criminals. Merely lawbreakers. It is unlikely but possible that the people who bought and installed the Thai versions thereby broke the law. The law in question would then be contract law, and it would depend on the interpretation and binding power of the EULA.
> If she was posting this on her own non-commercial website, I doubt anyone would have cared.
Is there anything in the past behavior of RIAA that supports that claim?
I know little of RIAA, but the Danish equivalent have had no trouble targeting non-commercial use with ridiculous claims.
> Well you can't bring region-locked games or DVDs into other countries and expect them to
> work on your friend's console/player...
If your friend lives outside region 1, you most likely can play your DVD on his player. Most of the cheap, no-name DVD machines around here (region 2) are region free. I'd expect the same to be true just about everywhere outside region 1. Maybe even inside as well.
If you can't use a version bought in one EU country in another EU country, that is a technical trade barrier, and very much against EU regulation. The vast majority of EU regulation is directly or indirectly geared towards making EU (or rather EEA) a single market.
However, no such protection protection applies for stuff imported from outside EU. In fact, EU recently invented a new copyright concept "regional publishing" making it illegal to commercially parallel import copyrighted material from outside EU, that had not been published within EU. You can still do it privately, but it meant that the "region 1 dvds" shelves disappeared from dvd stores, and that the comic book stores reselling US comics are now breaking the law (fortunately, unlike the movie industry, the comic book industry isn't Pure Evil, so nobody gets sued for the later).
> So where in the evolutionary ladder do the talking snakes and rib-clone women fit?
Talking snakes would be right before the development of awareness of good and evil (moral). Early mankind, maybe 100000 years ago.
I'm not sure how to retrofit rib-clone women into a more contemporary creation myth. I'm sure it can be done, though, by someone more motivated.
This is not globalization, but regionalizing. Something the "IP" industry loves, because it allows them to set different prices in different markets.
Globalization (= free trade) is good for consumers (and eventually, everyone). Regionalizing (= artificial trade barriers) is bad for consumers (and eventually, everyone).
It is basic economic theory, when you prevent a trade, you make both parties poorer.
The interface won't know that the new tag is a specialization of the the old tag, the way it knows a subfolder is a specialization of a folder.
With my old folder based email client I had a hierarchical view of the folders, and could open and close branches. I could also apply operations on a whole branch. I can do no such thing with tags as implemented in gmail, and as a result I have far fewer tags than I used to have folders.
I can easily imagine ways to extend tags so they would be as powerful as a folder hierarchy, for example by allowing you to tag tags. But they are not in gmail.
There has been a couple of 0.x releases, clearly labeled "not for production use".
But I wouldn't call it vaporware, as you can download and run the code.
The target audience being intelligent people.
Portugal's revolution in 1974 was pretty successful. So was the revolutions in many of the Eastern European countries around 1989.
> Do you really expect people to port a compiler to a new platform just to compile OSS code?
I expect them not to have to. Only one person or group needs to do they port. Usually this is done by the people who make the new platform, GCC is the system compiler on most new platforms.
Back when GCC was managed by RMS, he liked adding "convenient" extensions to the language. One of the reasons was to "tie" the programs to GCC as you describe.
:-)
The current maintainers have quite a different view on them, they only add extensions for things that can't be expressed in the language (mostly stuff close to hardware, or sometimes optimization hints), and they give them __unwieldy_names__. And they are slowly removing the convenience features.
If you don't get a warning from an extension (rather than a "quality of implementation" issue) with -ansi -pedantic it is a bug.
There probably are such bugs (GCC is big and complex, and there are stuff in the language that can't really be tested) but I guess you can't actually mention any, since you are most likely just a troll making stuff up as you go. So I challenge you to mention one such issue that can not be found in the bug database to prove you are not a troll. And if you can mention two such issues, I'm willing to believe that you are not a kook either. In either case, please submit a bug report when done
My main contribution to "discussions" with creationist is that in my experience as a programmer, complex (software) systems are a result of evolution rather than intelligent design.
I don't care about how tags are used in other placed. In /. I use them as a very condensed summary of the discussion. And the yes and no tags are quite useful for that. If only one of them appears, it usually represent the community consensus. If both appear, it shows that the community is divided on the issue.
The tags has become less useful lately though. Don't know why.