If it was supposed to burn up in the atmosphere but instead crashed into a heavily populated city, ruining it for all time, then Congress would be a good name.
Maybe HPL should have started his stories out with a variation of the standard crime re-enactment disclaimer: "Some names and places have been changed to protect the sane."
...I know it took hundreds of years before people really accepted the Earth is flat, and perhaps it will take even longer before people truly embrace unrestricted information exchange; But it is an inevitability...
I still don't believe the Earth is flat. But I agree with the rest of your statement.
I have the opposite problem with my post office. The address can be spelled perfectly but it might end up at my neighbor's house. I know this because it happens so frequently we all have to play nice or we'd all be missing bills, letters from friends, etc. When it gets really bad one or more of us will jump through the hoops to complain to the post office and it will get better for a while, and then slide right back to where it is now.
You can either know the exact equation or it's exact location on the internet, but the Uncertainty principle clearly says you can't know both at the same time. We obviously know which he chose now.
As long as my plan gets funded, too, I'd be okay with it. It goes something like this, "As soon as you plan to build a device that would inhibit the basic Civil liberties of anyone anywhere (Right to Trial, Freedom to Gather, etc) you will be vaporized by a lightning bolt and entombed in in the Earth for all eternity."
I like that, but how do you count the people involved? If they were targeting Bin Laden but wanted to wire tap someone here in the US to get intel and there are 3 phones believed to belong to that person, but 1 of then in a household with 5 people living there and one is a pay phone, how many people are involved in that? 1? 1 plus however many people they call or get called by? 6? 6 + people called? I think that kind of metric would need to be worked out in detail because beforehand because they will use it against this sort of thing.
And the FBI routinely ignores requires that are difficult to comply with (or at least used to). I recall a news story back several years ago about a requirement that after a certain period of time they were (maybe not now, I have no idea) required to notified people who had their conversations recorded after a certain period of time if charges were not brought against them. In the case of payphones, they didn't know how to contact most of those people, so they did nothing. They didn't post a sign at the payphone, made no attempt to contact the other end of the call (they had the number dialed at least) because they said it was too troublesome. I had no idea the law just allowed them to ignore portions that were too troublesome to deal with.
Is the 5th actually protection against torture, though? I mean, you can give it up and if you were tortured you would be tortured into giving it up, assuming you consider torture to be possible without physical damage (which I do, but that's another discussion). This has happened in this country recently as others in this conversation have mentioned. Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbzlLadbMDQ
In your example above about not wanted to tell the authorities where you were when a crime was committed, why wouldn't the next question they ask be, "Well, where were you then?" to which you will be committing a crime if you don't answer, even though it proves your innocence? With the 5th you can just refuse to answer at all and they can't assume you are refusing because you are guilty. Under your scenario, you must answer whatever they ask because it isn't until after you answer that they can determine it really wasn't any of their business.
I think the line of questioning in your scenario is good to ask because if we don't ask these question every generation we will forget why we have these rights, and how they should apply when the conditions change in some way (due to technology, etc).
Perhaps something to consider in this scenario as well is under what conditions you lose the 5th's protections; if you are granted immunity, for example, so if they [the State] thought you knew something important but weren't the person they are after they could grant you immunity and compel you to testify.
You must be joking! Dao has almost all the major features that Go has...
Maybe this is a Whoosh! moment for me (it is late and I'm getting sleepy), but isn't your comment the same thing the OP said, just in another format? Yet you seem to be disagreeing with him?
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...driving link and ass and rear-end someone...
Please tell me that is a typo and not something I have to look up on Urban Dictionary?
Exactly. Like the rare materials needed to build these reactors.
If it was supposed to burn up in the atmosphere but instead crashed into a heavily populated city, ruining it for all time, then Congress would be a good name.
So that whole movie was just an around about way to get or cultists to unknowingly summon Mighty Cthulhu? I all makes sense now.
I'm sure syfy could make a weekly (or should that be weakly?) movie about it.
Maybe HPL should have started his stories out with a variation of the standard crime re-enactment disclaimer: "Some names and places have been changed to protect the sane."
We have so many laws I wouldn't be surprised if most crime was actually *accidental*.
"I'm sorry, your honor, I had no idea that was illegal." should be a valid defense against some laws these days.
...I know it took hundreds of years before people really accepted the Earth is flat, and perhaps it will take even longer before people truly embrace unrestricted information exchange; But it is an inevitability...
I still don't believe the Earth is flat. But I agree with the rest of your statement.
Then the psych wards would be filled with the aftermath of your passing, so it really is a catch-22.
Maybe they meant shitty because they don't throw them out on the first strike?
I have the opposite problem with my post office. The address can be spelled perfectly but it might end up at my neighbor's house. I know this because it happens so frequently we all have to play nice or we'd all be missing bills, letters from friends, etc. When it gets really bad one or more of us will jump through the hoops to complain to the post office and it will get better for a while, and then slide right back to where it is now.
You can either know the exact equation or it's exact location on the internet, but the Uncertainty principle clearly says you can't know both at the same time. We obviously know which he chose now.
I propose we call this new data method Data Neutral Assembly.
Storks that got lost?
As long as my plan gets funded, too, I'd be okay with it. It goes something like this, "As soon as you plan to build a device that would inhibit the basic Civil liberties of anyone anywhere (Right to Trial, Freedom to Gather, etc) you will be vaporized by a lightning bolt and entombed in in the Earth for all eternity."
I bet it will still be better than Highlander 2.
They might if they saw a bottle of honey in an odd place.
Not true for most of the /. crowd, you insensitive clod!
I like that, but how do you count the people involved? If they were targeting Bin Laden but wanted to wire tap someone here in the US to get intel and there are 3 phones believed to belong to that person, but 1 of then in a household with 5 people living there and one is a pay phone, how many people are involved in that? 1? 1 plus however many people they call or get called by? 6? 6 + people called? I think that kind of metric would need to be worked out in detail because beforehand because they will use it against this sort of thing.
And the FBI routinely ignores requires that are difficult to comply with (or at least used to). I recall a news story back several years ago about a requirement that after a certain period of time they were (maybe not now, I have no idea) required to notified people who had their conversations recorded after a certain period of time if charges were not brought against them. In the case of payphones, they didn't know how to contact most of those people, so they did nothing. They didn't post a sign at the payphone, made no attempt to contact the other end of the call (they had the number dialed at least) because they said it was too troublesome. I had no idea the law just allowed them to ignore portions that were too troublesome to deal with.
Maybe the AC just thinks he's in the US (and is wrong)? I'm pretty sure I am and the link worked fine for me. Wait, maybe I'm the one who is wrong?!?
Is the 5th actually protection against torture, though? I mean, you can give it up and if you were tortured you would be tortured into giving it up, assuming you consider torture to be possible without physical damage (which I do, but that's another discussion). This has happened in this country recently as others in this conversation have mentioned. Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbzlLadbMDQ
In your example above about not wanted to tell the authorities where you were when a crime was committed, why wouldn't the next question they ask be, "Well, where were you then?" to which you will be committing a crime if you don't answer, even though it proves your innocence? With the 5th you can just refuse to answer at all and they can't assume you are refusing because you are guilty. Under your scenario, you must answer whatever they ask because it isn't until after you answer that they can determine it really wasn't any of their business.
I think the line of questioning in your scenario is good to ask because if we don't ask these question every generation we will forget why we have these rights, and how they should apply when the conditions change in some way (due to technology, etc).
Perhaps something to consider in this scenario as well is under what conditions you lose the 5th's protections; if you are granted immunity, for example, so if they [the State] thought you knew something important but weren't the person they are after they could grant you immunity and compel you to testify.
Why do I have tons of mod points every day _except_ today? This needs to be modded up to 5, stat!
It's all relative. Sorry, I couldn't resist.
You must be joking! Dao has almost all the major features that Go has...
Maybe this is a Whoosh! moment for me (it is late and I'm getting sleepy), but isn't your comment the same thing the OP said, just in another format? Yet you seem to be disagreeing with him?