Thats not the point. Saying that free software is usually low quality is just ignorant, especially for a company wanting to enter the linux market (like the guy above me said).
Linux does not need closed source programs as much as you say. To have popular desktop operating system, you not need $100000000 3d apps, or photoshop, or some other funny apps becuase most people don't need them. Linux need Office suites, web browsers, e-mail clients, and it already has those, and it will have free+open source versions available by mid 2000. In fact, the only closed source apps that Linux needs are games. As of now, there aren't many good and finished oss games (yes, the card games that come with the desktop envirements are fun, but I am talking about glitzy games like Q3).
Ohh yea, gimp can compete with some commercial software, like PSP.
Does this mean Mozilla will just ship little descriptive files about the UI. Or will they change with the envirement. Like if I am in windows and I change the colors/fonts of the main widget (pretty easy to do), could some XUL thingamagiggy get those styles. A more extreme example, could XUL get styles when I change the theme engine in gtk, like from the defualt windows style to the GTKStep theme.
Otherwise, it seems the user would have to make an XUL skin for each slight change they make for their desktop.
The page is unreadable in netscape. Just when I thought I fixed the fonts problem, I get this shit again. Anybody else getting this problem of teeny weeny, crumpled text.
The trick is that any mirror of the actual distro. (an not just the iso file) will have this directory of images of the installer. They are from the installation manual.
About Latex vs SGML. I hate Latex. But more importantly, SGML was certainly not invented by GNOME, and SGML is easier to write with. It just is, as I assume more people who are willing to write documentation know HTML (which is some form or whatever of SGML) than Latex.
BIG FAT RAMBLING BELOW About the new window manager. Well, I hope they do it. A lot of people complain how gnome doesn't feel as slick as KDE, and how it isn't as intergrated. No window manager intergrates well with gnome. You have to screw around just to get rid of the functionality that gnome already has (like a taskbar/panel/wharf/dock), and even then, they use seperate themes.
IceWM for example. You have to compile it with gnome support (or I guess if you use debian, it does that already). Then you have to get rid of that taskbar. It looks OK, but it still doesn't intergrate theme wise with GNOME. A gnome window manager would probably just house windows, and use gtk. It would also have the main GNOME menu when you do some keyboard shortcut. I am happy with gnome now, but it would seem a lot slicker if it just had it's own.
You must mean that new GForce 256 Nvidia, or whatever it is called. TNT2 is just a faster version of the TNT I have in my system. The 256 does lighting and transformations on its own hardware. This is what $2000+ graphics cards do. They probably do it a lot better, or do more to cast that much.
NOTE: I know dick about professional 3D, and a little more on home stuff.
Makes me wish I woulda saved my last moderation point for you. Wouldn't be for the content of the message (its bad, but, not bad enough) but combined with the title. Lemme think -- KDE is knot knice. See how lame that is.
By the way, KDE LOOKS more like windows 95, which makes gnome look like windows95. They don't have an application manager or anything. They don't look a damn thing like 3.1
I have used my last moderation point to help you out. Know my name as the one who helped you when some tard woudn't. And moderate me up when you get points.
Just repeating what he said, just making sure people know.
Also, I agree that Blizzard should do the port themselves. They, at least with StarCraft, have shown they need tons of patches to make there games "right". I doubt Loki want's to update patches for there games for years.
Realisticly, Loki is going to need to do this for online games in the future. That is going to be one of the reasons that they are worth something. I imagine Blizzard (or company X) could make the game, then Loki could maintain it. That would be worth it.
With all of these patches Blizzard itself has released, they need to . . . was that sarcasm? Just thought of that.
These Karma points should be per user, at least for people getting rated up. If someone I think someone always makes a good post, I should be able to rate them up myself. This way, if I don't believe in this "karma", I don't have to deal with it.
I remember looking through some threads the last few days, and wondering why this guys dummas posts were all at 2. Guess ths karma stuff explains it.
Also, this can be a way that all of my posts are rated up, say, to 5. It would really make me feel alot better about my writing. Seriously, I have never been rated up, but why do I have to know that? (Also, by "me" I mean any "user")
Isn't the BSD liscence supposed to allow you to change the licence. Why else give so few restrictions. It is not a loophole to change or add restrictions to it. It is not like the GPL, where people expect that their irc clients will be used by Big Baddy folks like Microsoft. A lot of the people who wrote in support of the BSD licence (or maybe just one AC, i don't remember), said they would love a Big Baddy took their code and made a better product.
That is the reason I am not using older milestones. It crashed, but at least Mozilla is lighter than Netscape. I will probably be using it in a few months full-time, might as well get used to it. But the abscence of a right mouse button menu can't be looked over.
This bug(#875) has been reported for months, before the 1.0 release in fact. Yet, after all of the updates, it is still around.
No, I can't fix it myself, becuase I have no idea what is wrong. I looked at the code before, and it wasn't obvious. It would be best for the authors of GMC (or maybe it's the panels fault) to fix it.
They probabably wouldn't be working on KDE anyway, unless it was bassed on C. I guess you could say this about a lot of things. I think about all of the stuff on the freshmeat and think "How about a good 3d editor, word processor, web browser, e-mail client, whatever instead of all of this crap". But I guess that crap (irc clients, gui clients to stuff I never heard of, etc) is usefull to somebody.
Ok, the *.desktop format is also going to become the KDE standard. Then it would pretty much become the linux standard. It won't be that hard too, since the *.desktop format is just the *.kdelink format without all of the K's. I am not sure if it is done, but I would bet CVS KDE uses it now. So the work is being done, its pretty trivial (could be done with a script, in fact here is a link to one), and now they can worry about Bonobo/CORBA/KOM/OpenParts.
Also, If you compile IceWm with gnome support, it reads gnome menu's (both for the user and the system menus).
The point is still valid, right? Having been around longer, it would make since that it would be farther ahead. More obvious than it being more oop.
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The GTKStep and Xenophilia themes have the two scrollbar buttons together. However, the code to do this is new, and isn't quite stable (like the gnome-pager will crash when you change it's setting if you use those themes, and the gnome-font changer freezes with them). But it's possible.
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I launch KFM, and I try to move a directory into a gmc window. Nothing happens. What apps can show XDND working between gnome and kde.
Try the new 1.0.50 release. It is the last major release compatible with the old gnome, and is supposed to be stable (Its stable for me at least).
Thats not the point. Saying that free software is usually low quality is just ignorant, especially for a company wanting to enter the linux market (like the guy above me said).
Linux does not need closed source programs as much as you say. To have popular desktop operating system, you not need $100000000 3d apps, or photoshop, or some other funny apps becuase most people don't need them. Linux need Office suites, web browsers, e-mail clients, and it already has those, and it will have free+open source versions available by mid 2000. In fact, the only closed source apps that Linux needs are games. As of now, there aren't many good and finished oss games (yes, the card games that come with the desktop envirements are fun, but I am talking about glitzy games like Q3).
Ohh yea, gimp can compete with some commercial software, like PSP.
Does this mean Mozilla will just ship little descriptive files about the UI. Or will they change with the envirement. Like if I am in windows and I change the colors/fonts of the main widget (pretty easy to do), could some XUL thingamagiggy get those styles. A more extreme example, could XUL get styles when I change the theme engine in gtk, like from the defualt windows style to the GTKStep theme.
Otherwise, it seems the user would have to make an XUL skin for each slight change they make for their desktop.
The page is unreadable in netscape. Just when I thought I fixed the fonts problem, I get this shit again. Anybody else getting this problem of teeny weeny, crumpled text.
http://www.wxwindows.org
This actually redirects you to some faster url in the UK i think.
f tp://ftp.ou.edu/mirrors/linux/redhat/redhat-6.1/i3 86/doc/rhinst/figs/cd-rom-gui/
The trick is that any mirror of the actual distro. (an not just the iso file) will have this directory of images of the installer. They are from the installation manual.
About Latex vs SGML. I hate Latex. But more importantly, SGML was certainly not invented by GNOME, and SGML is easier to write with. It just is, as I assume more people who are willing to write documentation know HTML (which is some form or whatever of SGML) than Latex.
BIG FAT RAMBLING BELOW
About the new window manager. Well, I hope they do it. A lot of people complain how gnome doesn't feel as slick as KDE, and how it isn't as intergrated. No window manager intergrates well with gnome. You have to screw around just to get rid of the functionality that gnome already has (like a taskbar/panel/wharf/dock), and even then, they use seperate themes.
IceWM for example. You have to compile it with gnome support (or I guess if you use debian, it does that already). Then you have to get rid of that taskbar. It looks OK, but it still doesn't intergrate theme wise with GNOME. A gnome window manager would probably just house windows, and use gtk. It would also have the main GNOME menu when you do some keyboard shortcut. I am happy with gnome now, but it would seem a lot slicker if it just had it's own.
All of those programs are still used. Try using gnome without esound, imlib, or ORBit. I wouldn't describe any of them as forked also.
You must mean that new GForce 256 Nvidia, or whatever it is called. TNT2 is just a faster version of the TNT I have in my system. The 256 does lighting and transformations on its own hardware. This is what $2000+ graphics cards do. They probably do it a lot better, or do more to cast that much.
NOTE: I know dick about professional 3D, and a little more on home stuff.
Makes me wish I woulda saved my last moderation point for you. Wouldn't be for the content of the message (its bad, but, not bad enough) but combined with the title. Lemme think -- KDE is knot knice. See how lame that is.
By the way, KDE LOOKS more like windows 95, which makes gnome look like windows95. They don't have an application manager or anything. They don't look a damn thing like 3.1
I have used my last moderation point to help you out. Know my name as the one who helped you when some tard woudn't. And moderate me up when you get points.
http://www.kjofol.org/e/
I have no idea if it works well, but the screenshots look "COOL" and it seems to be compatible with normal E themes.
Thats at http://www.student.oulu.fi/~jlof/gtkgla rea/. Gotta remember preview.
Try GtkGlArea. I have never programmed with this, but the source does have some documentation (in txt format as of 1.1.1 version).
Just repeating what he said, just making sure people know.
Also, I agree that Blizzard should do the port themselves. They, at least with StarCraft, have shown they need tons of patches to make there games "right". I doubt Loki want's to update patches for there games for years.
Realisticly, Loki is going to need to do this for online games in the future. That is going to be one of the reasons that they are worth something. I imagine Blizzard (or company X) could make the game, then Loki could maintain it. That would be worth it.
With all of these patches Blizzard itself has released, they need to . . . was that sarcasm? Just thought of that.
These Karma points should be per user, at least for people getting rated up. If someone I think someone always makes a good post, I should be able to rate them up myself. This way, if I don't believe in this "karma", I don't have to deal with it.
I remember looking through some threads the last few days, and wondering why this guys dummas posts were all at 2. Guess ths karma stuff explains it.
Also, this can be a way that all of my posts are rated up, say, to 5. It would really make me feel alot better about my writing. Seriously, I have never been rated up, but why do I have to know that? (Also, by "me" I mean any "user")
Isn't the BSD liscence supposed to allow you to change the licence. Why else give so few restrictions. It is not a loophole to change or add restrictions to it.
It is not like the GPL, where people expect that their irc clients will be used by Big Baddy folks like Microsoft. A lot of the people who wrote in support of the BSD licence (or maybe just one AC, i don't remember), said they would love a Big Baddy took their code and made a better product.
That is the reason I am not using older milestones. It crashed, but at least Mozilla is lighter than Netscape. I will probably be using it in a few months full-time, might as well get used to it. But the abscence of a right mouse button menu can't be looked over.
Off of the top of my head, windows does. It just has c++ wrappers, just like gtk+. (he was talking about gtk+, not gnome.)
This bug(#875) has been reported for months, before the 1.0 release in fact. Yet, after all of the updates, it is still around.
No, I can't fix it myself, becuase I have no idea what is wrong. I looked at the code before, and it wasn't obvious. It would be best for the authors of GMC (or maybe it's the panels fault) to fix it.
They probabably wouldn't be working on KDE anyway, unless it was bassed on C. I guess you could say this about a lot of things. I think about all of the stuff on the freshmeat and think "How about a good 3d editor, word processor, web browser, e-mail client, whatever instead of all of this crap". But I guess that crap (irc clients, gui clients to stuff I never heard of, etc) is usefull to somebody.
Ok, the *.desktop format is also going to become the KDE standard. Then it would pretty much become the linux standard. It won't be that hard too, since the *.desktop format is just the *.kdelink format without all of the K's. I am not sure if it is done, but I would bet CVS KDE uses it now. So the work is being done, its pretty trivial (could be done with a script, in fact here is a link to one), and now they can worry about Bonobo/CORBA/KOM/OpenParts.
Also, If you compile IceWm with gnome support, it reads gnome menu's (both for the user and the system menus).
The point is still valid, right? Having been around longer, it would make since that it would be farther ahead. More obvious than it being more oop.
The GTKStep and Xenophilia themes have the two scrollbar buttons together. However, the code to do this is new, and isn't quite stable (like the gnome-pager will crash when you change it's setting if you use those themes, and the gnome-font changer freezes with them). But it's possible.