I love how the only defense to this is basically, "No, Gore didn't really claim to invent the Internet, he used weasel language! He only appeared to be claiming to invent it, but he carefully chose his words so you can't quite prove him wrong!"
Oh, well, OK then, that's fine;) What a great guy:) Where can I cast a spoiled ballot for him?
>>Yet another reason to try OpenOffice.org
>What, you mean linus still produces patches >for 1.1.x? Or that samba still fixes holes in >1.8.x? Or that apache still fixes holes in 1.2.x?
No, but if being in a networked world means that I need to constantly upgrade to stay secure, I'd much rather update open source apps than buy MS licenses every couple of months.
Though you are being sarcastic, I apologize. That wasn't very nice of me.
These people then appointed Harris, who implemented a sub-par system and then leapt to certify questionable results when her candidate won.
Duties and responsibilities are regularly delegated to appointed officials. Again, if the people of Florida don't like that, they can change the law to require elections for third assistant undersecretaries of dog catching, for all I care. But they didn't. And they (or their Supremes) certainly can't legitimately do it after an election. "Oh, wait, now we don't like having an appointed official with these responsibilities." Too bad.
And anyway, the results she certified weren't questionable. (The fact that the loser and the media wanted to question them doesn't make them "questionable"). It was a close election, they followed the state law for close elections, did a state-wide recount, and the winner still won.
The people involved with the election didn't do their best to be sure that the person voted for the most times won. In fact, they didn't give a flying fuck so long as it benefitted the guy they were backing.
You are describing the Florida Supremes again. "The person voted for the most times" did win, and his win was confirmed by the recount required by state law. A ballot with no identity attached to it, that has multiple punches or no punches, is a spoiled ballot, not a vote. How could you sleep at night, if attempting to classify spoiled ballots as votes magically makes votes appear on your tally? Obviously your side has no integrity, if that happens.
For a democracy to work, there has to be a baseline respect for rules and fair play. You don't want to go where the loser in 2000 took us. And we went there (to the road to bannana republicdom) for Al Gore. Man, your side must have been desperate.
Yeah, I'm in favor of having unelected political hacks [katherineharrissucks.com] and the Supreme Court [salon.com] decide who our elected officials should be like last time. After all, voting only takes valuable time away from the important things in life [tvguide.com].
You're a moron. The people of Florida decided what their election law would be, via their elected representatives. And they decided it before the 2000 presidential election. It is the Florida Supreme Court that decided to throw out preexisting law and procedure, and make up their own, after the election, because they didn't like the outcome, and they saw an opportunity to change it.
You want successful electronic voting? Then don't let your grandmother run the voting machines.
Uh, I don't want electronic voting, thank you, but I'd love it if my grandmother ran elections.
She doesn't take any crap. If she doesn't know you personally, she'd damn well verify your identity and residence. If you turned in your secret ballot, and it had lots of holes punched in it, she'd throw it in the trash where it belongs, not hold it up to her forehead like the amazing Kreskin trying to divine the anonymous voter's "intent".
And she's too old to give a damn if you feel "offended" when she tries to make sure you weren't bussed in from another city or Mexico to vote.
Why do we need millions of dollars of development and plenty of technology to fail when a bunch of pieces of paper and some pens would do fine?
You're right, we don't need electronic voting. Some people weren't happy with the outcome of the last presidential election, and saw an opportunity to change the result. The system actually worked just fine, until the Florida supremes tossed out existing law and procedure.
The fallacy here is in assuming that every employee exists in a continual "on-and-working" state from the moment she sits down at her desk. Under such an assumption, 10 seconds spent doing something else equals 10 seconds of quantifiable production loss.
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Ten seconds spent doing something else don't result in 10 seconds less of X.
No, not generically, but in the case of spam it does.
I spend a certain amount of time at work going through email. I have to. We use it for a lot of critical communications, and spam or no, it is more efficient for those purposes than phone, memo, or face to face.
So yeah, I will still blink, zone out, go to the bathroom, smoke 'n joke (or in my case, coca-cola and joke), whatever. But I will also waste time with spam. It is additive; it replaces time that I would be productively communicating.
Oh well, I bill all my time and it is a cost of doing business. My employer will save money if they can stop it.
Michigan's child support system runs on it, or most of it does. Finally last year pieces of it started getting replaced with an Oracle back end and Java (urg) front end. But at this moment most of the state's child support personnel log onto a VMS system via terminal emulators.
Frankly I find the old application much more responsive and pleasant to use. I'm sure in just 5 or 10 years of bug fixes the new system will be just as good;)
Um, I don't mean to be unkind, but you have been teaching? And you can't spell, use paragraphs, or be bothered to use a question mark at the end of a question?
Yes, this is relevant to the issue at hand. Think about it, if you don't see why.
It just struck me that the USA is increasingly seems to be getting behind when it comes to new technology.
"Getting behind" how? In what way that matters; computer games? Do people go from the US to these other lands for say, health care technology?
Broadband is just one example where the USA lags behind other parts of the first world. Mobile telephones is another where the Euros and Japanese seem to be in the lead.
Hmm, matchbox sized countries without long standing reliable wired infrastructures. Yep, I'd go wireless too.
With technologies such as Digital Cameras, Camcorders, DVD etc. Japan seems to be clearly in the lead. The XBox is trying to catch up with the Japanese PlayStation and Gamecube. With cars, it seems that the Germans increasingly have the lead.
This is called "trade". You get other people to send you cool stuff.
Thinking through all the technology I have, hardly any of it is American. My laptop is Sony. My mobile phone is Ericcson. My car is German. My watch is Swiss. My DVD, television, Playstation, PDA etc. are all Japanese. My building architechture is European. About the only American technology I have is a HP printer.
Bearing in mind that you are the one raising the issue, virtually all modern technology is "American" technology, depending on how you want to define it. Do you think all of these implementations would be there, without their roots?
The funny thing is that this is probably going to provoke a load of responses from Americans saying what bullshit it is to suggest that the USA does not lead the world in technology and it will probably get modded down to -1. Go on then. Whatever
So, if you're wrong, people will call you wrong. So ha! You will be too clever, and preempt them, by guessing that they will call you wrong.
I can only assume that most of these folks have not worked for a company that has to deal with new software deployments across thousands of machines.
Well, I have. We had to install, configure, and test all that yummy closed-source software anyway, just like you would have to do with open source. We didn't get any significant support without paying huge additional support fees (on top of the huge license fees) so we got to do all that fun stuff anyway; troubleshooting, tweaking, looking for answers on newsgroups and web pages. And no, we didn't "have somebody to sue" (how many times have you sued Oracle or Microsoft for a bug? Has anyone successfuly done so?).
So yeah, don't ignore the deployment costs, but don't just assume that they will be higher either.
If there is a bug in package A, the corp would have monetary incentive + engineers to fix it. (This is hypothetical, so spare me real world scenarios...) If there's a bug in package B, what exactly is the incentive to get it fixed in a timely manner?
Um, hire somebody to fix it for you? At least with package B, you don't have to pay huge fees just to install and run it. In either case, you're gonna have to pay to get something fixed (although with package B, it is at least possible that you have someone in house who can do it).
It's not like there aren't companies and individuals out there to fix mySQL bugs, or add features.
Of course, maybe there are too many choices, and you don't know who to hire? I can sort of see that, I guess. But in other areas of business, multiple suppliers are usually seen as an advantage.
It'd mean I could buy my Mom a machine for $400, and put all free (as in beer) software on it, and she'd be happy if OpenOffice we're good enough.
The latest version is good enough for Mom. She can bang out recipies, letter, whatever, all she wants. If Aunt Jane sends her a recipe once a year and the bullets are screwed up because Jane made it in Word, then Mom can fix the bullets.
I feel I have to make this point, because people keep saying "Mozilla isn't quite good enough, OOo isn't quite good enough". That isn't true anymore (uninstall your year-old betas, and get the latest versions). They are good enough for Mom NOW. It's only a busy office with legacy apps exchanging a bunch of docs with partners and customers where it might be a problem.
Those of you complaining that popups fund your site, come on. You know that someone blocking popups is not going to buy anything through them. So you're upset that you can't lie to an advertiser and claim that sending me a big gif or swf is a good deal.
Your inability to figure out a good advertising model is not my problem. I obviously don't want products or services advertised by popups; how could I make it more clear than by trying to block them? At least spammers trying to go through filters might be trying to get through ISP or corporate filters. I can kinda understand that, even if I don't like it. But trying to defeat popup blocking, I don't get it.
I'm not a die hard open source fanatic by any means. I use Windows 2000 most of the time, and I only occasionally boot to my Linux partition to play.
A few months ago however, I tried out Opera.
opera != open source Unless they just changed to make me look foolish...;)
Business is business and if you can't provide and reasonably (based on a legal definition fo reasonable, not some/. geeks idea of reasonable) support your product then you should not be in business.
OK, fine. For Redhat, their product would mean, what?
A CD, with a bunch of freely copyable software on it.
A graphical installer?
Kernel modifications (maybe, I dunno, haven't used them for years)
So it is reasonable to expect them to warrant that the CD behaves about as reliably as other CDs. And maybe, to warrant their installer or kernel mods (if any) to some degree. But why should they be responsible for everything on the CD?
Does Microsoft donate to the service as they depend on it for their products to work?
It doesn't sound like they depend on it for their product to work. If they have --Web Links-- (why doesn't ampersand quot semicolon work anymore on/.?) then that's like saying, --for related reading, check out Owls of the World, by Joe Schmoe--. It isn't my responsibility to make sure that book is in print, or to buy your library a copy.
... that the best thing people can say in defense of these national ID systems is that the government already has this information!
You know, it doesn't have to be this way. We could fund the national government with a sales tax instead of an income tax. They could just collect all that money anyway, without having to know where we live, work, how much we make, our marital status, etc. etc.
I mean, if you're going to go through an upheaval, you may as well, er, upheave in the freedom direction...
You wonder why the third world hates you? You wonder why a bunch of crazy arabs fly planes into your buildings?
Not really; the king of the hill always gets hated and envied. Our media pundits and Ivy League-ers may wonder why; I don't. I learned why on the fscking playground.
Anyway, only a small violent subset actually hates us, the rest is trying to (genuinely) move here.
Because your government tries to force pepsi cola down the throats of the world and Microsoft onto the desktops of a country which is so poor that windowsXP costs several months salary if most of the people had jobs which they don't.
Um, do you have video of someone forcibly pouring Pepsi down someone's throat? I've travelled to many third world countries, and I saw people just buying it because they wanted it (including me). Sometimes they bought it because they knew it had clean drinkable water.
I hope your righteous government doesn't try that shit here in Europe, because then then your righteous corrupt president can go fuck himself along with Bill gates and company.
You sound kinda hysterical. If you don't want to use Windows, don't. Go use a nice Euro-made OS... oh wait, Linus moved here too, didn't he? Well, make your own. We don't care.;) Gates does, I'm sure, for his business, but the bulk of us here really don't sit around pining for your good opinion of us. Again, our pundits and academics may, but the rest of us don't.
Ah, no. Angst ridden hatred of your fellow humans isn't original, new, or daring. It's a pose at best; a sign of mental illness at worst.
Does this offend you, or are you scared?
When did everyone become an armchair psychologist? Maybe I just find him repellant. I find a lump of dog crap on the sidwalk repellant, and I don't much want to associate with it, but I'm not scared of it.
Obnoxious punks always think that the attention they get from their antics makes them daring, special rebels. It really just makes them annoying. And if they never grow up, I guess they become AI profs.
I can't believe that your post got modded up. You sound like some privileged, middle-class kid from America who's never left his country. The original article, which you quote, states that he's talking about not only his own country but others as well.
If you are talking about this post, than I guess I'll reply, as I'm one of the original ones who modded it up.
I don't know about dakoda, but I was a middle class kid from America, when I was a kid. Now I'm better travelled than most people though, so your comments there don't apply to me. I've been around the world, to countries rich and poor.
I don't think anyone is denying that video can be used instructionally, or that it can add value. It seems the point being made is that it isn't a magic bullet, and that especially in the first world, we should look into why kids used to learn better with good old paper, before expending more resources on whizz-bang technologies.
In fact, the first world is like a lab experiment: we do have access to all these information resources, and whizz-bang delivery methods, yet our kids don't learn as effectively as they did before we had so much access, and such cool technology. Perhaps the answer doesn't lie in, er, more application of cool technology.
In any case, focusing on effective use of resources is more important in poor countries, not less. Why do you think a school that can't afford books can afford a VCD player?
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I love how the only defense to this is basically, "No, Gore didn't really claim to invent the Internet, he used weasel language! He only appeared to be claiming to invent it, but he carefully chose his words so you can't quite prove him wrong!"
Oh, well, OK then, that's fine ;) What a great guy :) Where can I cast a spoiled ballot for him?
>>Yet another reason to try OpenOffice.org
No, but if being in a networked world means that I need to constantly upgrade to stay secure, I'd much rather update open source apps than buy MS licenses every couple of months.>What, you mean linus still produces patches
>for 1.1.x? Or that samba still fixes holes in
>1.8.x? Or that apache still fixes holes in 1.2.x?
Aw, now my feelings are hurt.
Though you are being sarcastic, I apologize. That wasn't very nice of me.
These people then appointed Harris, who implemented a sub-par system and then leapt to certify questionable results when her candidate won.
Duties and responsibilities are regularly delegated to appointed officials. Again, if the people of Florida don't like that, they can change the law to require elections for third assistant undersecretaries of dog catching, for all I care. But they didn't. And they (or their Supremes) certainly can't legitimately do it after an election. "Oh, wait, now we don't like having an appointed official with these responsibilities." Too bad.
And anyway, the results she certified weren't questionable. (The fact that the loser and the media wanted to question them doesn't make them "questionable"). It was a close election, they followed the state law for close elections, did a state-wide recount, and the winner still won.
The people involved with the election didn't do their best to be sure that the person voted for the most times won. In fact, they didn't give a flying fuck so long as it benefitted the guy they were backing.
You are describing the Florida Supremes again. "The person voted for the most times" did win, and his win was confirmed by the recount required by state law. A ballot with no identity attached to it, that has multiple punches or no punches, is a spoiled ballot, not a vote. How could you sleep at night, if attempting to classify spoiled ballots as votes magically makes votes appear on your tally? Obviously your side has no integrity, if that happens.
For a democracy to work, there has to be a baseline respect for rules and fair play. You don't want to go where the loser in 2000 took us. And we went there (to the road to bannana republicdom) for Al Gore. Man, your side must have been desperate.
Yeah, I'm in favor of having unelected political hacks [katherineharrissucks.com] and the Supreme Court [salon.com] decide who our elected officials should be like last time. After all, voting only takes valuable time away from the important things in life [tvguide.com].
You're a moron. The people of Florida decided what their election law would be, via their elected representatives. And they decided it before the 2000 presidential election. It is the Florida Supreme Court that decided to throw out preexisting law and procedure, and make up their own, after the election, because they didn't like the outcome, and they saw an opportunity to change it.
You want successful electronic voting? Then don't let your grandmother run the voting machines.
Uh, I don't want electronic voting, thank you, but I'd love it if my grandmother ran elections.
She doesn't take any crap. If she doesn't know you personally, she'd damn well verify your identity and residence. If you turned in your secret ballot, and it had lots of holes punched in it, she'd throw it in the trash where it belongs, not hold it up to her forehead like the amazing Kreskin trying to divine the anonymous voter's "intent".
And she's too old to give a damn if you feel "offended" when she tries to make sure you weren't bussed in from another city or Mexico to vote.
Oh yeah, let my Grandma run elections ... please!
Why do we need millions of dollars of development and plenty of technology to fail when a bunch of pieces of paper and some pens would do fine?
You're right, we don't need electronic voting. Some people weren't happy with the outcome of the last presidential election, and saw an opportunity to change the result. The system actually worked just fine, until the Florida supremes tossed out existing law and procedure.
Then Chinese are 10 times more likely to get laid than Americans ...
How hard did you say Mandarin was to learn, again? ;)
The fallacy here is in assuming that every employee exists in a continual "on-and-working" state from the moment she sits down at her desk. Under such an assumption, 10 seconds spent doing something else equals 10 seconds of quantifiable production loss.
...
Ten seconds spent doing something else don't result in 10 seconds less of X.
No, not generically, but in the case of spam it does.
I spend a certain amount of time at work going through email. I have to. We use it for a lot of critical communications, and spam or no, it is more efficient for those purposes than phone, memo, or face to face.
So yeah, I will still blink, zone out, go to the bathroom, smoke 'n joke (or in my case, coca-cola and joke), whatever. But I will also waste time with spam. It is additive; it replaces time that I would be productively communicating.
Oh well, I bill all my time and it is a cost of doing business. My employer will save money if they can stop it.
You can do all the research papers you want; P2P does work, and I find and get whatever I want.
Use all the buzzwords you want; P2P must be "scaling" and surviving "poisoning" just fine. You can't just reason it out of existence.
Michigan's child support system runs on it, or most of it does. Finally last year pieces of it started getting replaced with an Oracle back end and Java (urg) front end. But at this moment most of the state's child support personnel log onto a VMS system via terminal emulators.
Frankly I find the old application much more responsive and pleasant to use. I'm sure in just 5 or 10 years of bug fixes the new system will be just as good ;)
Um, I don't mean to be unkind, but you have been teaching? And you can't spell, use paragraphs, or be bothered to use a question mark at the end of a question?
Yes, this is relevant to the issue at hand. Think about it, if you don't see why.
It just struck me that the USA is increasingly seems to be getting behind when it comes to new technology.
"Getting behind" how? In what way that matters; computer games? Do people go from the US to these other lands for say, health care technology?
Broadband is just one example where the USA lags behind other parts of the first world. Mobile telephones is another where the Euros and Japanese seem to be in the lead.
Hmm, matchbox sized countries without long standing reliable wired infrastructures. Yep, I'd go wireless too.
With technologies such as Digital Cameras, Camcorders, DVD etc. Japan seems to be clearly in the lead. The XBox is trying to catch up with the Japanese PlayStation and Gamecube. With cars, it seems that the Germans increasingly have the lead.
This is called "trade". You get other people to send you cool stuff.
Thinking through all the technology I have, hardly any of it is American. My laptop is Sony. My mobile phone is Ericcson. My car is German. My watch is Swiss. My DVD, television, Playstation, PDA etc. are all Japanese. My building architechture is European. About the only American technology I have is a HP printer.
Bearing in mind that you are the one raising the issue, virtually all modern technology is "American" technology, depending on how you want to define it. Do you think all of these implementations would be there, without their roots?
The funny thing is that this is probably going to provoke a load of responses from Americans saying what bullshit it is to suggest that the USA does not lead the world in technology and it will probably get modded down to -1. Go on then. Whatever
So, if you're wrong, people will call you wrong. So ha! You will be too clever, and preempt them, by guessing that they will call you wrong.
I can only assume that most of these folks have not worked for a company that has to deal with new software deployments across thousands of machines.
Well, I have. We had to install, configure, and test all that yummy closed-source software anyway, just like you would have to do with open source. We didn't get any significant support without paying huge additional support fees (on top of the huge license fees) so we got to do all that fun stuff anyway; troubleshooting, tweaking, looking for answers on newsgroups and web pages. And no, we didn't "have somebody to sue" (how many times have you sued Oracle or Microsoft for a bug? Has anyone successfuly done so?).
So yeah, don't ignore the deployment costs, but don't just assume that they will be higher either.
If there is a bug in package A, the corp would have monetary incentive + engineers to fix it. (This is hypothetical, so spare me real world scenarios...) If there's a bug in package B, what exactly is the incentive to get it fixed in a timely manner?
Um, hire somebody to fix it for you? At least with package B, you don't have to pay huge fees just to install and run it. In either case, you're gonna have to pay to get something fixed (although with package B, it is at least possible that you have someone in house who can do it).
It's not like there aren't companies and individuals out there to fix mySQL bugs, or add features.
Of course, maybe there are too many choices, and you don't know who to hire? I can sort of see that, I guess. But in other areas of business, multiple suppliers are usually seen as an advantage.
It'd mean I could buy my Mom a machine for $400, and put all free (as in beer) software on it, and she'd be happy if OpenOffice we're good enough.
The latest version is good enough for Mom. She can bang out recipies, letter, whatever, all she wants. If Aunt Jane sends her a recipe once a year and the bullets are screwed up because Jane made it in Word, then Mom can fix the bullets.
I feel I have to make this point, because people keep saying "Mozilla isn't quite good enough, OOo isn't quite good enough". That isn't true anymore (uninstall your year-old betas, and get the latest versions). They are good enough for Mom NOW. It's only a busy office with legacy apps exchanging a bunch of docs with partners and customers where it might be a problem.
Those of you complaining that popups fund your site, come on. You know that someone blocking popups is not going to buy anything through them. So you're upset that you can't lie to an advertiser and claim that sending me a big gif or swf is a good deal.
Your inability to figure out a good advertising model is not my problem. I obviously don't want products or services advertised by popups; how could I make it more clear than by trying to block them? At least spammers trying to go through filters might be trying to get through ISP or corporate filters. I can kinda understand that, even if I don't like it. But trying to defeat popup blocking, I don't get it.
I'm not a die hard open source fanatic by any means. I use Windows 2000 most of the time, and I only occasionally boot to my Linux partition to play.
A few months ago however, I tried out Opera.
opera != open source ... ;)
Unless they just changed to make me look foolish
Opera may be neat and all, but it ain't OS.
De-regulation, which happened under Clinton in the mid '90's
Things like deregulation happen because of Congress, not the president. Hmm, what changed in Congress, in the early 90s?
Clinton had no interest in deregulation. A Republican Congress did.
Business is business and if you can't provide and reasonably (based on a legal definition fo reasonable, not some /. geeks idea of reasonable) support your product then you should not be in business.
OK, fine. For Redhat, their product would mean, what?
So it is reasonable to expect them to warrant that the CD behaves about as reliably as other CDs. And maybe, to warrant their installer or kernel mods (if any) to some degree. But why should they be responsible for everything on the CD?
Does Microsoft donate to the service as they depend on it for their products to work?
It doesn't sound like they depend on it for their product to work. If they have --Web Links-- (why doesn't ampersand quot semicolon work anymore on /.?) then that's like saying, --for related reading, check out Owls of the World, by Joe Schmoe--. It isn't my responsibility to make sure that book is in print, or to buy your library a copy.
You know, it doesn't have to be this way. We could fund the national government with a sales tax instead of an income tax. They could just collect all that money anyway, without having to know where we live, work, how much we make, our marital status, etc. etc.
I mean, if you're going to go through an upheaval, you may as well, er, upheave in the freedom direction ...
You wonder why the third world hates you? You wonder why a bunch of crazy arabs fly planes into your buildings?
Not really; the king of the hill always gets hated and envied. Our media pundits and Ivy League-ers may wonder why; I don't. I learned why on the fscking playground.
Anyway, only a small violent subset actually hates us, the rest is trying to (genuinely) move here.
Because your government tries to force pepsi cola down the throats of the world and Microsoft onto the desktops of a country which is so poor that windowsXP costs several months salary if most of the people had jobs which they don't.
Um, do you have video of someone forcibly pouring Pepsi down someone's throat? I've travelled to many third world countries, and I saw people just buying it because they wanted it (including me). Sometimes they bought it because they knew it had clean drinkable water.
I hope your righteous government doesn't try that shit here in Europe, because then then your righteous corrupt president can go fuck himself along with Bill gates and company.
You sound kinda hysterical. If you don't want to use Windows, don't. Go use a nice Euro-made OS ... oh wait, Linus moved here too, didn't he? Well, make your own. We don't care. ;) Gates does, I'm sure, for his business, but the bulk of us here really don't sit around pining for your good opinion of us. Again, our pundits and academics may, but the rest of us don't.
He's a bit of a rebel, yes?
Ah, no. Angst ridden hatred of your fellow humans isn't original, new, or daring. It's a pose at best; a sign of mental illness at worst.
Does this offend you, or are you scared?When did everyone become an armchair psychologist? Maybe I just find him repellant. I find a lump of dog crap on the sidwalk repellant, and I don't much want to associate with it, but I'm not scared of it.
Obnoxious punks always think that the attention they get from their antics makes them daring, special rebels. It really just makes them annoying. And if they never grow up, I guess they become AI profs.
Um, we're the country everyone tries to sneak into, remember?
I can't believe that your post got modded up. You sound like some privileged, middle-class kid from America who's never left his country. The original article, which you quote, states that he's talking about not only his own country but others as well.
If you are talking about this post, than I guess I'll reply, as I'm one of the original ones who modded it up.
I don't know about dakoda, but I was a middle class kid from America, when I was a kid. Now I'm better travelled than most people though, so your comments there don't apply to me. I've been around the world, to countries rich and poor.
I don't think anyone is denying that video can be used instructionally, or that it can add value. It seems the point being made is that it isn't a magic bullet, and that especially in the first world, we should look into why kids used to learn better with good old paper, before expending more resources on whizz-bang technologies.
In fact, the first world is like a lab experiment: we do have access to all these information resources, and whizz-bang delivery methods, yet our kids don't learn as effectively as they did before we had so much access, and such cool technology. Perhaps the answer doesn't lie in, er, more application of cool technology.
In any case, focusing on effective use of resources is more important in poor countries, not less. Why do you think a school that can't afford books can afford a VCD player?