Whitespace is an issue when you want to use python as an embedded language in, say, an html page or an SQL script or XML... Suddenly where you statements appear is dictated to you. Ruby is far more flexible in this area.
I disagree. Jon Johansen needs support from the entire globe and this partition shows that. When someone from our community stands up for our rights it is our duty to stand behind/beside them in anyway we can. Im sure one feels very loney and scared when the police have charged them with a crime; this is one way we can show Jon that we believe that he has done the right thing and we are proud of him.
Another person who thinks the world is a Hemisphere and not a sphere. Hello in there this may shock you but the world is a globe, a round ball; it has lots of different dates the Day light saving takes effect and lots of places that have no DST.
One of my major gripes is when someone announces the X will be out in the fall 2000'; as if winter happened the same time all round the globe. how much harder is it to say 2nd Quarter of 2000?
When the rest of the world think of USA they think Arrogance; the USA think that the world IS the USA; heck they even refer to it as America?
Excuse me but USA is only 1/12 of the worlds pop; please show a little bit of inclusiveness especially when talking on the NET which is a global community.
Why is the general attiude of USA so harsh against communism?
Sure communism has not worked and allowed attrosities to occur but so has CAPITALISM! I've been to China and I've been to USA and I must say that USA looked a more sad and sorry place than China; you don't see the nearly as many homeless in China as you do in USA. The USA has neglected its own people by not putting adequate social structures in place and causing a giant rich poor gap!
I think its great if the Chinse government endorse GNU/LINUX. The USA should remove the plank from their eye before attempting to remove the speek from China's eye.
OK very dated was a bit harsh but at the rate GNU/Linux moves it did seem very dated to me when I switched:)
There are no guarantees if you use unstable
There are no guarentees if you use stable either! Potato is nearing stable now anyway so its getting less likely to brake and any really experimental stuff is suposed to go in the experimental branch as I recall. Too many people rely on Potato for people to throw in untested system breaking stuff; that would lose someone their developer status I think.
I've had problems where the package manager doesn't check dependecies or paticular packages can't be removed for some reason.
Its not the package managers fault; its packages with their dependancies not set correctly. These are usally solved within a day. If you have trouble removing or installing because of this, use dpkg to force things a little such as overwritting a duplicated file.
These problems only happen in the unstable branch and once you've fixed a few, its usally straight forward to deal with them when they occur.
Debian is a little bit off-putting when you first try it. Especially if your running RedHat 6.0 or latter. The current ``stable'' version is slink and is very dated but don't let this put you of trying and, I think, staying with Debian.
Once you've installed slink---Do a minimal install just enough to get apt-get working---you can upgrade to potato; look at debian.org to find out how to configure your system to do this. This can be done overnight (or over several nights)---again start small and build from there.
Potato is leading edge stuff! and it keeps you there with minimal or no effort. Sometimes things break a little but I've never had a serious problem and when something breaks you just hop on #debian at OPN and the solution to your troubles is laid out for you.
#debian is great! the best thing about it are the bots: apt and dpkg. These guys know everything and will tell you what you need to know.
What makes debian so great is the enormous set of packages they have. Want to easily install some little known package? Try apt-get install and chances are you'll get it along with all the other packages it requires that you don't already have. The great thing is now that you have installed the package apt-get will keep it up-to-date without you have to worry about it.
The other thing that debian-potato does extremly well is configuration. It remembers how you like things and keeps it that way and if some package has changed drastically it will warn you about it.
OK this is a bit woffley but I just wanted to describe a little bit how fantastic debian is and to encourage you to give it a good try-out.
I think SGI has embraced GNU/Linux and Free Software more than any other commercial Company in recent times and I think we should help keep this Company making a Profit by giving it +ve press. And not focusing on Doom & Gloom.
It appears from your comments that you have never read the Bible.
Had you looked at the psalms, written mostly by Gods most favourite person, David. You would see that David is also one of Gods biggest critics. David gets very angry at God.
Humor is deffinatly not absent from Christianty either, though I admit it is hard to find any humor in the Bible - However I have a locally written translation that is very funny, mostly using satire.
It looks like the moderators here are anti matrox (maybe they work for the oposition?) Why is this informative?
Later down the list someone gives some good info on the card -- which gets lots of follow ups -- and it gets marked redundant? (I bet this get moderated down too:)
What would you do with the specs (if they even exist in any readable state) anyway? its microcode! Are you going to hand code this stuff? They would have to release a whole development sweet of software. This would cost them far to much money.
The Video Card market is very cut-throte they dont have the spare cash to throw at things like that -- even if it is good for them in the long run, they could go out of business before it pays off.
I think their support for linux for has been excelent especially to publish the G400 specs this soon. All we want is the warp code data to download to the card just like the SCSI drivers do.
where are the specs for the TNT? You may have the software but its not the same as the specs, far from it.
There's that word moral again. Please explain to me why free software has ANYTHING to do with morality.
Put it this way: To withold knowledge from a person/community/socity/country is amoral. It is infact evil because it is a form of oppression. As the saying goes ``knowledge is power''. This is the biggest problem in the world today. Small groups hold knowledge for ransom. Take drug companies for example, they charge extortionist prices for life saving drugs just so they can have a fat belly.
On the constrast GPL gives liberty. It uses the same laws that drug companies use to ensure that under privileged groups get the same rights as every else.
If the world was a just place then the GPL would not be needed and infact would be a dumb license to release your code under; Public Domain would be the right choice. Unfortunately the world is not just and people used knowledge to gain power.
I hope I haven't woffled too much. But I belive in equal rights and as such I naturaly belive proprietary products are amoral because they enslave you to use magic, without knowledge of the magic, so that you will always be enslaved under the magic.
But I don't think that being a childish about it (See original post) is going to help. This whole thing about "if you don't agree with me, you just haven't been shown the way" is not going to help "the cause."
I think ``childish'' is a bit harsh. I don't think RMS is childish but I do agree with you that his method is not the best. Everyone is human and I can understand that RMS is quite emotional about the whole thing - he has put his whole life behind it - and that comes out in his argument.
I probably think RMS should conceed he has lost this battle and go on to fight other battles so as to not lose the WAR!
The opposite, actually. The FSF asks that anyone contributing significantly (10 lines of code?) to a project distributed by GNU/FSF assign copyright to the FSF.
Yes, code that FSF has written not code that others have written such as Linux. I dont think FSF have a strong feeling on this because of the risks.
Actually GPL stands for General Public License.
I said in the license not the Acronym. Look at the COPYING file.
You have not given me the context of the above link so I can not comment on the reason that one should hand over copyright.
I have heard from RMS that the FSF encourages individual people to hold the copyrights of software so that if the FSF was sued or some such thing then the software would not be in danger as no one person held the copyrights - you can't sue the masses.
Remember RMS considers BSD and X consortium to be part of the GNU system and so do I. FSF is also in favour of individuals writing the software so that as little as possible is needed to be written by the FSF.
Licensing your code under the GNU GPL shows your agreement the the GNU philosophy and that you are willing for your software to be considered part of the GNU system: after all the first word in the license is GNU.
Hence I belive that Linus has gifted Linux to the GNU system but I dont think he should hand over copyright (which he cant) and I dont think the FSF would want him to.
So as for me I will say my machine is running GNU.
True, RMS does want the attention GNU/Linux has gained but not for himself. He wants it for the ``cause''.
Lets look at the bigger picture and try not to focus who gets the fame. Its not about fame, its about ``spreading the word'', telling the world that Freedom of knowledge needs to be protected. That unless we keep the issue at the forefront of peoples minds it will be lost.
Oracle and Apple etc are starting to cause the burying of Free Software. Lets not let them get away with it. Lets inform people of what software freedom is.
And thats what the name GNU does! Its impossible to say GNU without either knowing what it means or asking what it means. Its the catalyst that gets people thinking about Freedom of knowledge!
You must be young, GNU has been around a lot longer than GNU/Linux and a lot of us have enjoyed the freedom GNU has given us well before Linux arrived although not on an entirley free system.
Although I was using a GNU system with a 386BSD kernel well before I starting using GNU with a Linux kernel.
Free software is built on GNU not Linux. You don't need Linux to create Free Software but you sure do need GNU:
flex + bison => gas+gcc/egcs => Free Software.
FreeBSD,Linux,Hurd,minux,... all need GNU no exceptions
Its very interesting to see that this new weighted ranking puts anti-RMS comments above pro-RMS comments.
That ranking and the previous GNU/Linux vs Linux poll show that the majority of/. readers are not ``followers'' of the Free Software movement, but instead are here because they like cool/quality software and technical gadgetry. They also like the convenience of ``Open Source'' (of which free software is a subset).
These/. readers are not interested in social issues such as human rights - giving people the same rights that you have - which is what the Free Software movement is founded on. Free Software is all about helping each other. It is about serving software users, so that users are not oppressed by selfish software writers who are trying to make their own lives better than everyone elses'.
Some people realise that the only way to make this world a better place is to help each other. That is the philosophy of Free Software, but if a lot people are allowed to take advantage of other people, society becomes corrupt. That is the danger of propriety software; it corrupts our Free Society.
We are starting to see this happen with Oracle and Apple worming (pardon the pun) their way into the Free Software community. Their goal is not to help the community, but to take advantage of the community so as to increase their wealth.
This is why I see RMS as one of the most important people (if not the most) of this century and the next. He is the voice that keeps people focused on the GOALS of the GNU project. He is the reason I quit my job (a very good job) in the top electronics company of my country (New Zealand), so that I could create software for the good of the community, rather than working against the community. I now have very little income to support my family, but I am much happier because I have freedom to help my (Free Software) community.
To help promote my community, I'm not going to call my computer system Linux or even GNU/Linux. Im going to call it ``GNU''. This name promotes Free Software, and, in my opinion, it is more aesthetic and catchy than Linux.
Having the option for people to choose there level of noise is fantastic.
What about letting those people who disagree order there messages back to front so the low scrore messages get to the top:) or even better order by "distance" from a score.
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Whitespace is an issue when you want to use python as an embedded language in, say, an html page or an SQL script or XML... Suddenly where you statements appear is dictated to you. Ruby is far more flexible in this area.
Yes SWT (and indeed eclipse) is compilable under gcj see the gcj home page News article December 27, 2002
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One of my major gripes is when someone announces the X will be out in the fall 2000'; as if winter happened the same time all round the globe. how much harder is it to say 2nd Quarter of 2000?
When the rest of the world think of USA they think Arrogance; the USA think that the world IS the USA; heck they even refer to it as America?
Excuse me but USA is only 1/12 of the worlds pop; please show a little bit of inclusiveness especially when talking on the NET which is a global community.
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John Carmack himself has posted benchmarks of Quake running faster on Linux than Windows for the same machine.
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Sure communism has not worked and allowed attrosities to occur but so has CAPITALISM! I've been to China and I've been to USA and I must say that USA looked a more sad and sorry place than China; you don't see the nearly as many homeless in China as you do in USA. The USA has neglected its own people by not putting adequate social structures in place and causing a giant rich poor gap!
I think its great if the Chinse government endorse GNU/LINUX. The USA should remove the plank from their eye before attempting to remove the speek from China's eye.
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There are no guarantees if you use unstable
There are no guarentees if you use stable either! Potato is nearing stable now anyway so its getting less likely to brake and any really experimental stuff is suposed to go in the experimental branch as I recall. Too many people rely on Potato for people to throw in untested system breaking stuff; that would lose someone their developer status I think.
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Its not the package managers fault; its packages with their dependancies not set correctly. These are usally solved within a day. If you have trouble removing or installing because of this, use dpkg to force things a little such as overwritting a duplicated file.
These problems only happen in the unstable branch and once you've fixed a few, its usally straight forward to deal with them when they occur.
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Once you've installed slink---Do a minimal install just enough to get apt-get working---you can upgrade to potato; look at debian.org to find out how to configure your system to do this. This can be done overnight (or over several nights)---again start small and build from there.
Potato is leading edge stuff! and it keeps you there with minimal or no effort. Sometimes things break a little but I've never had a serious problem and when something breaks you just hop on #debian at OPN and the solution to your troubles is laid out for you.
#debian is great! the best thing about it are the bots: apt and dpkg. These guys know everything and will tell you what you need to know.
What makes debian so great is the enormous set of packages they have. Want to easily install some little known package? Try apt-get install and chances are you'll get it along with all the other packages it requires that you don't already have. The great thing is now that you have installed the package apt-get will keep it up-to-date without you have to worry about it.
The other thing that debian-potato does extremly well is configuration. It remembers how you like things and keeps it that way and if some package has changed drastically it will warn you about it.
OK this is a bit woffley but I just wanted to describe a little bit how fantastic debian is and to encourage you to give it a good try-out.
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Had you looked at the psalms, written mostly by Gods most favourite person, David. You would see that David is also one of Gods biggest critics. David gets very angry at God.
Humor is deffinatly not absent from Christianty either, though I admit it is hard to find any humor in the Bible - However I have a locally written translation that is very funny, mostly using satire.
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Later down the list someone gives some good info on the card -- which gets lots of follow ups -- and it gets marked redundant? (I bet this get moderated down too:)
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The Video Card market is very cut-throte they dont have the spare cash to throw at things like that -- even if it is good for them in the long run, they could go out of business before it pays off.
I think their support for linux for has been excelent especially to publish the G400 specs this soon. All we want is the warp code data to download to the card just like the SCSI drivers do.
where are the specs for the TNT? You may have the software but its not the same as the specs, far from it.
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On the constrast GPL gives liberty. It uses the same laws that drug companies use to ensure that under privileged groups get the same rights as every else.
If the world was a just place then the GPL would not be needed and infact would be a dumb license to release your code under; Public Domain would be the right choice. Unfortunately the world is not just and people used knowledge to gain power.
I hope I haven't woffled too much. But I belive in equal rights and as such I naturaly belive proprietary products are amoral because they enslave you to use magic, without knowledge of the magic, so that you will always be enslaved under the magic.
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I probably think RMS should conceed he has lost this battle and go on to fight other battles so as to not lose the WAR!
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I have heard from RMS that the FSF encourages individual people to hold the copyrights of software so that if the FSF was sued or some such thing then the software would not be in danger as no one person held the copyrights - you can't sue the masses.
Remember RMS considers BSD and X consortium to be part of the GNU system and so do I. FSF is also in favour of individuals writing the software so that as little as possible is needed to be written by the FSF.
Licensing your code under the GNU GPL shows your agreement the the GNU philosophy and that you are willing for your software to be considered part of the GNU system: after all the first word in the license is GNU.
Hence I belive that Linus has gifted Linux to the GNU system but I dont think he should hand over copyright (which he cant) and I dont think the FSF would want him to.
So as for me I will say my machine is running GNU.
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Lets look at the bigger picture and try not to focus who gets the fame. Its not about fame, its about ``spreading the word'', telling the world that Freedom of knowledge needs to be protected. That unless we keep the issue at the forefront of peoples minds it will be lost.
Oracle and Apple etc are starting to cause the burying of Free Software. Lets not let them get away with it. Lets inform people of what software freedom is.
And thats what the name GNU does! Its impossible to say GNU without either knowing what it means or asking what it means. Its the catalyst that gets people thinking about Freedom of knowledge!
Lets all focus on the GOAL.
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The GNU System does exist now. One implementation uses the Linux kernel. Another implementation uses the FreeBSD kernel.
Linus said himself: ``the best thing I did was put the kernel under the GNU GPL'' (paraphased)
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Although I was using a GNU system with a 386BSD kernel well before I starting using GNU with a Linux kernel.
Free software is built on GNU not Linux. You don't need Linux to create Free Software but you sure do need GNU:
flex + bison => gas+gcc/egcs => Free Software.
FreeBSD,Linux,Hurd,minux,... all need GNU no exceptions
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That ranking and the previous GNU/Linux vs Linux poll show that the majority of
These
Some people realise that the only way to make this world a better place is to help each other. That is the philosophy of Free Software, but if a lot people are allowed to take advantage of other people, society becomes corrupt. That is the danger of propriety software; it corrupts our Free Society.
We are starting to see this happen with Oracle and Apple worming (pardon the pun) their way into the Free Software community. Their goal is not to help the community, but to take advantage of the community so as to increase their wealth.
This is why I see RMS as one of the most important people (if not the most) of this century and the next. He is the voice that keeps people focused on the GOALS of the GNU project. He is the reason I quit my job (a very good job) in the top electronics company of my country (New Zealand), so that I could create software for the good of the community, rather than working against the community. I now have very little income to support my family, but I am much happier because I have freedom to help my (Free Software) community.
To help promote my community, I'm not going to call my computer system Linux or even GNU/Linux. Im going to call it ``GNU''. This name promotes Free Software, and, in my opinion, it is more aesthetic and catchy than Linux.
Long live Free Software.
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Having the option for people to choose there level of noise is fantastic.
What about letting those people who disagree order there messages back to front so the low scrore messages get to the top
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There is an intergrated environment for linux:
XEmacs!