What I don't understand is, why would anyone make a third party screen that isn't absolutely compatible. I mean, just follow the specs that Apple releases, then there is no need for Apple to test for 'every screen' because every screen works the same. It's called a standard.
They will get to a point where they reap huge profits from zone charges, tracking and reciprocal advertising, far before they will get to a point of saving lives. I doubt they will feel any need to continue advancing after that happens. The vehicles might come back with a new dent and some blood on them occasionally, but as long as they can make money at it they'll do it.
I've probably driven as many miles in my life as Uber has with all their cars. Probably much more, and absolutely in many more conditions than these companies would ever think of driving in. I've never driven at full speed into a pedestrian in a well lit street. I'm sure may people here could say the same. This applies to the other car companies as well. The people on Slashdot have probably driven equal to Tesla's 100 million miles in their life and none have killed themselves on a concrete divider. Humans drive 3.22 trillion miles a year. That is a very big number compared to self-driving 'experience' to date, and an important part of understanding how safe humans really are. Three deaths at this point are enough to make self driving very much more dangerous than humans when put into perspective of miles driven. Especially when you add to that perspective that self-driving companies get to pick when and where they drive. Even Autopilot only activates in conditions it deems 'safe'.
We use cars because they take us where we need to go very safely. A lot of people focus on the fatality count without putting it into perspective of the serious number of hours Americans put on the road every year. Another nice thing about a regular car is you have control to slow down if you see a dangerous situation, but you had better hope level 4 or 5 senses the same thing you do. The second mistake they make is to appreciate the number of accidents self-driving get in today with the number of miles and conditions they drive in extrapolated to the sheer number of driving happening out there. If self driving became mainstream tomorrow, it would kill tens of millions of people per year. I don't want that kind of thing on the streets.
And no, everyone is not going to be sitting behind autopilot studying traffic. It's that human nature thing again.
Humans drive 3.22 trillion miles a year in the US. In those 3.22 trillion miles, 32,000 people die. From what I can gather from the internet, Google has around 1.5 million self driving miles, lets say Uber has 1.5 million like Uber and Tesla's claim of 100 million is true. So if I generously allow all self driving companies to account all their miles to this year, and even ignoring the fact that Uber and Google pick exactly where they drive, there should have only been 1.05 deaths right now to be on par with humans. They are no where close to that.
I agree. It's going to be terrible for freedom. Right now if I want to go to a museum, I pay the admission of the museum. Down the road, you may need to pay a car company to go to the part of the city with the museum and then pay for the museum. Then they know you're at the museum so you get pelted with 'personal' ads while you are there AND in the car.
Tesla's autopilot is not a fully autonomous driving system, so it's not relevant when talking about autonomous vehicles.
It's kind of funny how you self-driving proponents will swear up and down how lousy people are at driving. I have read the word 'meatbag' more times in the last year than I ever have. Yet you will support a system that expects them to remain alert while sitting still and doing nothing. This is the most unnatural thing for humans and you are ready to get behind a system that almost ensures their distraction.
One day we were driving on the highway and the pickup in front of us didn't secure the mesh ramp they had for the pickup. Went rolling end over end down the highway. My buddy swerved around, but I'm really wondering how many automated cars are ready for something like that. It's not even like the wide face was facing us. To an automated car it would have looked like the thickness of a branch.
You know what? Uber is certainly a steaming pile of turd of a company, but I don't even blame them. We all know companies will do anything to make profit, especially a company like Uber. The problem is no one seems to care what these companies do. Everyone rolls there eyes and says, "Oh there goes Uber again"
to a laugh track like on an 80's sitcom. I fault the government for not establishing quantifiable and measurable standards to *ensure* a vehicle is safe enough just to get through the testing it needs to do without killing anyone.
Automated cars are baking VERY STUPID MISTAKES still. Apparently life isn't important enough to just have the stupid mistakes fixed before we ante up human lives. Nice to know our governments care about us.
Furthermore, you have companies like Tesla that have it worked so that everything the car does is the human's fault. Like somehow a human is supposed to know what an AI brain is thinking when even the software designers don't know what an AI brain is thinking.
Also, why doesn't it have to to a vision test? For a self driving car, it should be able to operate on two out of three sensing mechanisms in all conditions.
Then why don't you take a taxi today? You think you'll be able to call a car in rush hour and it will take you anywhere you want to go at peak time for less than the cost of a taxi today? Ride sharing sounds like a good idea until you think about the financials of a company with a thousand cars waiting and doing nothing just waiting until everyone needs to come home from work.
Fine, but I still don't understand why it matters how far the car was from the pedestrian? A million things could have happened and too close is too close. Besides, from another comment, the car wasn't even supposed to be driving without stopping and making eye contact with the pedestrian under the local laws.
Do you live in Gotham city? Contrary to Hollywood belief, most cops are NOT on the take or against you and see these things every day and are trained to make this determination. It's part of their job.
If a cop thought 'whoa that car really cut it close!', should that not be a determination right there? What more is there to be proven by doing measurements?
It will be more than 50 years to reach that critical mass of self driving car ownership. Even the poorest people who need to go to work are going to be using a self driving car instead of an old manual beater they can barely afford to keep on the road? That is some utopia you have planned there.
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But they use fingerprint authentication in TV and movies all the time! It HAS to be a good idea, all the best movie safes have them!
What I don't understand is, why would anyone make a third party screen that isn't absolutely compatible. I mean, just follow the specs that Apple releases, then there is no need for Apple to test for 'every screen' because every screen works the same. It's called a standard.
#VoteWithFacebook will surely become a thing.
They will get to a point where they reap huge profits from zone charges, tracking and reciprocal advertising, far before they will get to a point of saving lives. I doubt they will feel any need to continue advancing after that happens. The vehicles might come back with a new dent and some blood on them occasionally, but as long as they can make money at it they'll do it.
I've probably driven as many miles in my life as Uber has with all their cars. Probably much more, and absolutely in many more conditions than these companies would ever think of driving in. I've never driven at full speed into a pedestrian in a well lit street. I'm sure may people here could say the same. This applies to the other car companies as well. The people on Slashdot have probably driven equal to Tesla's 100 million miles in their life and none have killed themselves on a concrete divider. Humans drive 3.22 trillion miles a year. That is a very big number compared to self-driving 'experience' to date, and an important part of understanding how safe humans really are. Three deaths at this point are enough to make self driving very much more dangerous than humans when put into perspective of miles driven. Especially when you add to that perspective that self-driving companies get to pick when and where they drive. Even Autopilot only activates in conditions it deems 'safe'.
When grandpa (bless his soul) started doing those things we took him OFF the road, we didn't let him drive MORE.
We use cars because they take us where we need to go very safely. A lot of people focus on the fatality count without putting it into perspective of the serious number of hours Americans put on the road every year. Another nice thing about a regular car is you have control to slow down if you see a dangerous situation, but you had better hope level 4 or 5 senses the same thing you do. The second mistake they make is to appreciate the number of accidents self-driving get in today with the number of miles and conditions they drive in extrapolated to the sheer number of driving happening out there. If self driving became mainstream tomorrow, it would kill tens of millions of people per year. I don't want that kind of thing on the streets.
And no, everyone is not going to be sitting behind autopilot studying traffic. It's that human nature thing again.
Also, aircraft autopilot totally ignores cement dividers as well!
Actually, I miscalculated. That is actually based on 106 million miles by self-driving and not 103 million. Brain fart.
Humans drive 3.22 trillion miles a year in the US. In those 3.22 trillion miles, 32,000 people die. From what I can gather from the internet, Google has around 1.5 million self driving miles, lets say Uber has 1.5 million like Uber and Tesla's claim of 100 million is true. So if I generously allow all self driving companies to account all their miles to this year, and even ignoring the fact that Uber and Google pick exactly where they drive, there should have only been 1.05 deaths right now to be on par with humans. They are no where close to that.
I agree. It's going to be terrible for freedom. Right now if I want to go to a museum, I pay the admission of the museum. Down the road, you may need to pay a car company to go to the part of the city with the museum and then pay for the museum. Then they know you're at the museum so you get pelted with 'personal' ads while you are there AND in the car.
Tesla's autopilot is not a fully autonomous driving system, so it's not relevant when talking about autonomous vehicles.
It's kind of funny how you self-driving proponents will swear up and down how lousy people are at driving. I have read the word 'meatbag' more times in the last year than I ever have. Yet you will support a system that expects them to remain alert while sitting still and doing nothing. This is the most unnatural thing for humans and you are ready to get behind a system that almost ensures their distraction.
Tesla's autopilot isn't meant to be autonomous
It doesn't give Tesla the right to put people in a vehicle that still makes very stupid and clumsy mistakes.
Heavy objects falling from trucks.
One day we were driving on the highway and the pickup in front of us didn't secure the mesh ramp they had for the pickup. Went rolling end over end down the highway. My buddy swerved around, but I'm really wondering how many automated cars are ready for something like that. It's not even like the wide face was facing us. To an automated car it would have looked like the thickness of a branch.
You know what? Uber is certainly a steaming pile of turd of a company, but I don't even blame them. We all know companies will do anything to make profit, especially a company like Uber. The problem is no one seems to care what these companies do. Everyone rolls there eyes and says, "Oh there goes Uber again" to a laugh track like on an 80's sitcom. I fault the government for not establishing quantifiable and measurable standards to *ensure* a vehicle is safe enough just to get through the testing it needs to do without killing anyone.
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Automated cars are baking VERY STUPID MISTAKES still. Apparently life isn't important enough to just have the stupid mistakes fixed before we ante up human lives. Nice to know our governments care about us.
Furthermore, you have companies like Tesla that have it worked so that everything the car does is the human's fault. Like somehow a human is supposed to know what an AI brain is thinking when even the software designers don't know what an AI brain is thinking.
Also, why doesn't it have to to a vision test? For a self driving car, it should be able to operate on two out of three sensing mechanisms in all conditions.
Then why don't you take a taxi today? You think you'll be able to call a car in rush hour and it will take you anywhere you want to go at peak time for less than the cost of a taxi today? Ride sharing sounds like a good idea until you think about the financials of a company with a thousand cars waiting and doing nothing just waiting until everyone needs to come home from work.
Fine, but I still don't understand why it matters how far the car was from the pedestrian? A million things could have happened and too close is too close. Besides, from another comment, the car wasn't even supposed to be driving without stopping and making eye contact with the pedestrian under the local laws.
Holy fuck, try being a cop sometime. That's all I have to say.
Do you live in Gotham city? Contrary to Hollywood belief, most cops are NOT on the take or against you and see these things every day and are trained to make this determination. It's part of their job.
If a cop thought 'whoa that car really cut it close!', should that not be a determination right there? What more is there to be proven by doing measurements?
It will be more than 50 years to reach that critical mass of self driving car ownership. Even the poorest people who need to go to work are going to be using a self driving car instead of an old manual beater they can barely afford to keep on the road? That is some utopia you have planned there.