The problem is, the same since it has been since the 70's. These corporations consider automation to be an investment that they have made, so any savings will be considered a 100% profit for that investment. They don't want to take any of that extra money and funnel it back into employee's wages, they consider that a step back.
The thing is, the opportunities to step to are drying up quickly. More and more people are finding that they are stuck on minimum wage. No corporation cares about getting kids prepared for work. They'll give your kid an unpaid internship with a possible chance of getting a job and act like they're doing us a favor.
I'm not too worried about incentive for people to get a promotion. If a person is cleaning toilets and they can get a job filing papers they will do so just for the job quality. The corporation might need to up their game a bit in terms of compensation but it is minimal. Really this is just business being worried about their profits and blowing smoke as usual.
Because our corporate overlords have all the money and they won't give us money if we don't work. As the usefulness of minimum wage I'm beginning to understand being on welfare more and more.
The truth is, all businesses are itching to get rid of staff but no one wants to take the heat for being the first one. They're all just waiting for a convenient excuse. If it is going to happen it is going to happen for one reason or another. Might as well just keep as many people fed and sheltered and not out committing crimes as possible.
Where do you propose the employees of fast food restaurants live precisely? I'm getting very tired of comments like yours that appear to say something but really just lock us back into the inevitable anyway. If minimum wage cannot support living costs then there are no employees and they must all move away so we have automation anyway. Something needs to actually change if this is not to happen.
It's not the business models, it is capitalization has a whole. The system was never sustainable. We can look around at all the communist regimes that have failed but we're not far behind them. In terms of human civilizations, America is still very young and it is failing already. 500 years from now it will just be a tick on the timeline.
I'll move to a 30 hour work week provided my salary and compensation stays the same. With all my production gains through technology and experience that should be doable. I'm easily outputting more than 25% more than when I first started.
Perhaps my post didn't have to be so snarky but it is still a valid point.. If we're going to talk about moving to an economy where work is not required that's great but at lease make some productive recommendation on how that can be done. At some point 'income' has to be detached from 'work done'. It's an important conversation that has a happen eventually, because we're headed for a lot of starvation, violence, and general misery for 95% of the population unless it gets figured out soon.
I'm sure Canada could work out how the US can keep Alaska going. Make no mistake, global trade is 100% benefiting the rich while costing the poor. The rich get an endless supply of cheap labor and inexpensive trade while those that don't own companies are left scrambling to put food on the table. It really won't end well.
In case you didn't notice, most of the things you listed require an income, which requires work of some sort. At one time there was a concept of a 40 hour work week so that everyone had a stable balance between work and personal time and they could do those things you listed. It only took around 20 years for that concept to be abolished. Millions of people without work or money won't be having too many personal hobbies. It won't end well.
At least I won't have to worry about sending my kids to college and have them come out to a job flipping burgers any more, because there WON'T BE jobs flipping burgers. Ah this economy gets better and better. When does the recession end?
The problem with your argument is that we don't *need* the products coming in from China. What we need are food and shelter. We can make those on our own and go from there. You have to look at the cost we are being asked to bear for these global trade agreements. Basically the middle class of first world nations are being funding the rise of a middle class in third world nations, that's all that is happening.
Your family needs your presence, not just money. If America is really that far gone and unable to negotiate in favor of its population, then society is done anyway so there really isn't any point throwing your hands up and just trying to do your best. If you are not rich, then the winning play is definitely to go on welfare. Teach your kids to do the same, because there will be no jobs for them to support themselves. That will work for another generation until social services run out of money, then I don't know what people do. Starvation on the streets, I guess.
That may be all well and good.. in a socialist system where everyone shares and cooperates and where there is some sense of greater good. But in capitalism, people will just start to make others sick in order to profit from it.
The blue collar workers I know that leave their families behind 3-6 months of the year are making four times as much money as they could with their skills otherwise. That's totally fine, if they want to do that. I just don't want to be starved out of my choice to make 1/4 of that money and have time to spend with my family.
What makes you think we can't turn the clock back? It is just a matter of changing federal legislation. How could you resign so willingly to something that affects you so much.
The problem with "embrace the suck" is that, unless people put their foot down at some point, it will only be worse next year. You are a contributor to the wage gap as much as anyone else.
Sure, if non-traditional jobs actually replaced traditional jobs in terms of compensation, but they don't. At the very least, they require longer hours doing non-payed activities such as networking and in my experience they don't offer enough compensation to purchase health coverage like a traditional job would offer.
You know what I'd be all for that, if it were happening evenly across the board. But why should it be the US middle class that bears most of the burden of curing the third world?
I was going to say Rickshaw, but I thought that was Chinese. Thank for for that information.
What I'm trying to say is, Auto Rickshaws don't look well maintained to me. I know the driver makes pennies an hour. So either the owner is keeping all the profit, or there is no profit because they must pay someone to do business in that area. How do you get them to 'invest' in a brand new electric engine for their Rickshaw? They would rather go back to the days before the motor.
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Except corporations don't consider it part of their role to funnel new money to anything other than profits.
Except every one of those companies has thousands of shareholders that want to know why their share value went down in that case.
The problem is, the same since it has been since the 70's. These corporations consider automation to be an investment that they have made, so any savings will be considered a 100% profit for that investment. They don't want to take any of that extra money and funnel it back into employee's wages, they consider that a step back.
The thing is, the opportunities to step to are drying up quickly. More and more people are finding that they are stuck on minimum wage. No corporation cares about getting kids prepared for work. They'll give your kid an unpaid internship with a possible chance of getting a job and act like they're doing us a favor.
I'm not too worried about incentive for people to get a promotion. If a person is cleaning toilets and they can get a job filing papers they will do so just for the job quality. The corporation might need to up their game a bit in terms of compensation but it is minimal. Really this is just business being worried about their profits and blowing smoke as usual.
Because our corporate overlords have all the money and they won't give us money if we don't work. As the usefulness of minimum wage I'm beginning to understand being on welfare more and more.
The truth is, all businesses are itching to get rid of staff but no one wants to take the heat for being the first one. They're all just waiting for a convenient excuse. If it is going to happen it is going to happen for one reason or another. Might as well just keep as many people fed and sheltered and not out committing crimes as possible.
Where do you propose the employees of fast food restaurants live precisely? I'm getting very tired of comments like yours that appear to say something but really just lock us back into the inevitable anyway. If minimum wage cannot support living costs then there are no employees and they must all move away so we have automation anyway. Something needs to actually change if this is not to happen.
It's not the business models, it is capitalization has a whole. The system was never sustainable. We can look around at all the communist regimes that have failed but we're not far behind them. In terms of human civilizations, America is still very young and it is failing already. 500 years from now it will just be a tick on the timeline.
If automation is going to happen, then it will happen. No sense letting them dangle this sword over our heads.
I'll move to a 30 hour work week provided my salary and compensation stays the same. With all my production gains through technology and experience that should be doable. I'm easily outputting more than 25% more than when I first started.
Perhaps my post didn't have to be so snarky but it is still a valid point.. If we're going to talk about moving to an economy where work is not required that's great but at lease make some productive recommendation on how that can be done. At some point 'income' has to be detached from 'work done'. It's an important conversation that has a happen eventually, because we're headed for a lot of starvation, violence, and general misery for 95% of the population unless it gets figured out soon.
I'm sure Canada could work out how the US can keep Alaska going. Make no mistake, global trade is 100% benefiting the rich while costing the poor. The rich get an endless supply of cheap labor and inexpensive trade while those that don't own companies are left scrambling to put food on the table. It really won't end well.
In case you didn't notice, most of the things you listed require an income, which requires work of some sort. At one time there was a concept of a 40 hour work week so that everyone had a stable balance between work and personal time and they could do those things you listed. It only took around 20 years for that concept to be abolished. Millions of people without work or money won't be having too many personal hobbies. It won't end well.
At least I won't have to worry about sending my kids to college and have them come out to a job flipping burgers any more, because there WON'T BE jobs flipping burgers. Ah this economy gets better and better. When does the recession end?
The problem with your argument is that we don't *need* the products coming in from China. What we need are food and shelter. We can make those on our own and go from there. You have to look at the cost we are being asked to bear for these global trade agreements. Basically the middle class of first world nations are being funding the rise of a middle class in third world nations, that's all that is happening.
Your family needs your presence, not just money. If America is really that far gone and unable to negotiate in favor of its population, then society is done anyway so there really isn't any point throwing your hands up and just trying to do your best. If you are not rich, then the winning play is definitely to go on welfare. Teach your kids to do the same, because there will be no jobs for them to support themselves. That will work for another generation until social services run out of money, then I don't know what people do. Starvation on the streets, I guess.
That may be all well and good.. in a socialist system where everyone shares and cooperates and where there is some sense of greater good. But in capitalism, people will just start to make others sick in order to profit from it.
This is why I don't feel like my expertise is a frivolous cost, no matter how many times corporations try to tell me that.
May we throw a brick at your face so that we can support jobs?
The blue collar workers I know that leave their families behind 3-6 months of the year are making four times as much money as they could with their skills otherwise. That's totally fine, if they want to do that. I just don't want to be starved out of my choice to make 1/4 of that money and have time to spend with my family.
What makes you think we can't turn the clock back? It is just a matter of changing federal legislation. How could you resign so willingly to something that affects you so much.
The problem with "embrace the suck" is that, unless people put their foot down at some point, it will only be worse next year. You are a contributor to the wage gap as much as anyone else.
Sure, if non-traditional jobs actually replaced traditional jobs in terms of compensation, but they don't. At the very least, they require longer hours doing non-payed activities such as networking and in my experience they don't offer enough compensation to purchase health coverage like a traditional job would offer.
You know what I'd be all for that, if it were happening evenly across the board. But why should it be the US middle class that bears most of the burden of curing the third world?
I was going to say Rickshaw, but I thought that was Chinese. Thank for for that information.
What I'm trying to say is, Auto Rickshaws don't look well maintained to me. I know the driver makes pennies an hour. So either the owner is keeping all the profit, or there is no profit because they must pay someone to do business in that area. How do you get them to 'invest' in a brand new electric engine for their Rickshaw? They would rather go back to the days before the motor.