Spam is crippling the usefulness of email, and measures should be taken to curb spam, but we don't need to completely stop all unsolicited commercial email.
Yes, we do. Oh, things like Vernon Schryver's DCC, the SpamAssassin and Spambouncers, etc, can reduce the load on individual mailboxes, but they don't reduce the load on the mail servers. I may be wrong about the DCC here. (The network can handle the load just fine).
Why should the company I work for, or my ISP, have to double, triple their mail server capacity just to receive and filter out spam, when they could block it at the EHLO prompt and not have to upgrade?
Spam is theft and does not deserve the protection of the EFF.
My estimates are that we will experience shortages within 20 to 25 years
Interesting. Johan Galtung was recently quoted as giving the US empire 20, max 25 years from now. He correctly predicted the downfall of the USSR, five years in advance. As far as I can see he didn't tie in any oil shortages, but the rapid and accelerating decline of the greatest asset of the USA - its wonderful democracy. (quotes from memory, don't shoot me)
Norway does not have to implement any EU directives whatsoever. Why? Because they are not a member of the EU
No - but it is a member of the European Economic Zone, or whatever its name- EØS - which forces us to comply with most of the EU directives. Sad but true - we chose to stay out of the EU, getting no rights, but signed an agreement giving us most of the duties. Stupid...
The question of guilt can be re-tried by a jury court. This local court is not technically a jury court, although two lay judges (or expert judges, in this case) can overrule the learned judge..
I'm glad the verdict is so thorough in its analysis. Of the EU countries, AFAIK only Denmark and Greece have actually enacted legislation a la DMCA, and there seems to be mounting resistance against the more draconian interpretations of the EUCD. This verdict will have a strong influence on the measures that will eventually be taken by the legislature.
You don't say? I think it looks like MS is getting its ass kicked... I've at least kicked their software off my computers. Well, except the Win98 I have to keep on the disk for tax reasons, of all things!
Your excellent analogy reminds me of the observation that anti-spammers are parts of the immune system of Internet e-mail.
RBLs would not be necessary if ISPs read and handled spam complaints. Those relatively few ISPs that do not handle the spam problem responsibly must be given a fever to make them realize that they have an infection. Or is that infestation:-)
Actually, this is being sound taped. Direct video is shown in a press room. Done because it's almost certainly going to be appealed, and the jury will have access to all the evidence before the district court.
The Supreme Court decided to videotape ( or was it televise?) their proceedings later next year in an infamous triple murder case ( Orderud) - that's a first.
That's interesting. Every DVD I've played on Linux I've paid for.
So did I - but we aren't using licensed players, are we?
Next step: Since the Microsoft Office file format is secret[1], according to the EUCD and the DMCA it is a crime to try to read MS Office documents in non-Microsoft programs.
[1] AFAIK. There was a specification of a Word format available somewehere, what is now known seems to be a result of soon-to-be-illegal reverse engineering.
I don't know if that was intentional - but that is in fact the way she's coming across in the courtroom. The facts of the case are indisputed, she's been trying to show that what Jon did is illegal. So far it has been shown to be largely irrelevant - nomad gave the reverse-engineered CSS source to dod, too. I suppose that in the final argument on Monday the persecutor will try to show that whoever buys a CD agrees to play it only on licensed players. Unfortunately, no such agreement has been found anywhere except in the collective mind of Økokrim.
I think Trond Øgrim is on to something when he writes that the DVDCCA lied to the MPAA about what CSS could do, and are trying to cover up by making Jon the fall guy.
Rather than admitting that the crypto locking was about as secure as two pieces of cellophane stuck together with chewing gum, they blame the fiendishly clever hackers....
This is a low-level court where there are three judges: one administrator who has the formal law education, and two lay judges - in this case they have been selected for their knowledge about the subject of the trial. Any appeal would be treated in a court with a jury, where size of the jury can vary, IIRC. Serious crimes are tried directly in the jury court and bypass the lower court altogether.
How do I know? I have served as a lay judge at this level three times.
In september a few pages belonging to Norwegian police were hacked, among those www.okokrim.no - the unit that indicted Jon. They seem to have moved their sides to a Cobalt server, in New York, it seems... Ready! Aim! Hack!
We'll find out on Thursday. Counsel for the defense wanted to skip two witnesses he had asked for, since what they could tell had already been shown. Prosecutor objected, and wants to hear Stevenson's testimony, set for 10 AM local time tomorrow. No sensations today, except that the prosecutor revealed that she really is as technically clueless as she seems. "... could only be run under the operating system 'Microsoft'... "
Håkon Wium Lie was nearly ROFL when it was shown that many google hits on DeCSS referred to a program that strips off stylesheets...
Thanks for the tip. I did a quick telnet to port 80, printed the result and slipped it to the defense today - and he used it. Much merriment in the courtroom:-)
Actually it was only mentioned after he had - in my opinion - demolished completely the prosecutor's attempt to build a case by questioning Johansen on Monday afternoon and Tuesday morning. Witnesses will be called on Wednesday and Thursday, with "prosedyre" - final statements by prosecution and defense - on Friday. So far, the prosecution has failed to show that Johansen did anything illegal at all.
You are absolutely right - it was the MPAA, or perhaps their international arm MPA. Økokrim handles computer crime, too, like defacing web sites and hacking through firewalls. Although I am really starting to wonder about them: Recently they got a conviction for attempted money laundering against some utter fools who had fallen for a 419 scam.... I don't think I've ever seen such a heavy bogon flux
barred (heh) from hearing computer- related cases until they pass it.
Yeah. I'm in the pool and I'm qualified, wish they had picked me. Never heard of the problem until a few days ago. Anyway - I have a couple of unused vacation days that I plan on spending in the courtroom. Wish I had a tape recorder!
Oh - FYI, this is a lower court where there is one learned judge and two lay judges. Whatever the outcome I think it will be appealed to the next level, with a full jury.
IMHO, I would rather the FAA develop a closed, in-house systems application to schedule and route my airplane properly than for it to be an open system.
Agreed. Even better, get the best of both worlds and let the FAA develop the application in house, and also make it open source. Maybe throw it open from the beginning - and have a Linus in control of the whole thing. The main problem is that the supply of Linuses - like Bernadottes - is limited.
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Spam is crippling the usefulness of email, and measures should be taken to curb spam, but we don't need to completely stop all unsolicited commercial email.
Yes, we do. Oh, things like Vernon Schryver's DCC, the SpamAssassin and Spambouncers, etc, can reduce the load on individual mailboxes, but they don't reduce the load on the mail servers. I may be wrong about the DCC here. (The network can handle the load just fine).
Why should the company I work for, or my ISP, have to double, triple their mail server capacity just to receive and filter out spam, when they could block it at the EHLO prompt and not have to upgrade?
Spam is theft and does not deserve the protection of the EFF.
My estimates are that we will experience shortages within 20 to 25 years
Interesting. Johan Galtung was recently quoted as giving the US empire 20, max 25 years from now. He correctly predicted the downfall of the USSR, five years in advance. As far as I can see he didn't tie in any oil shortages, but the rapid and accelerating decline of the greatest asset of the USA - its wonderful democracy. (quotes from memory, don't shoot me)
Don't go to the polls.
... and as voters are staying away in droves,
watch your democracy dissolve and drain away...
Try reading it again... "Norway has introduced legislation similar to the European Unions
Uh, no. It hasnt. Not yet. Denmark has, though.
Norway does not have to implement any EU directives whatsoever. Why? Because they are not a member of the EU
...
No - but it is a member of the European Economic Zone, or whatever its name- EØS - which forces us to comply with most of the EU directives. Sad but true - we chose to stay out of the EU, getting no rights, but signed an agreement giving us most of the duties. Stupid
The question of guilt can be re-tried by a jury court. This local court is not technically a jury court, although two lay judges (or expert judges, ..
in this case) can overrule the learned judge
I'm glad the verdict is so thorough in its analysis. Of the EU countries, AFAIK only Denmark and Greece have actually enacted legislation a la DMCA, and there seems to be mounting resistance against the more draconian interpretations of the
EUCD. This verdict will have a strong influence on the measures that will eventually be taken by the legislature.
It's been a while since we had a socialist government. The Labour party is way, way down there in the opinion polls...
Microsoft kix azz all u linucks bitchez!!!
... I've at least kicked their software off my computers. Well, except the Win98 I have to keep on the disk for tax reasons, of all things!
You don't say? I think it looks like MS is getting its ass kicked
Great :-)
:-)
Your excellent analogy reminds me of the observation that anti-spammers are parts of the immune system of Internet e-mail.
RBLs would not be necessary if ISPs read and handled spam complaints. Those relatively few ISPs that do not handle the spam problem responsibly must be given a fever to make them realize that they have an infection. Or is that infestation
Actually, this is being sound taped. Direct video is shown in a press room. Done because it's almost certainly going to be appealed, and the jury will have access to all the evidence before the district court.
The Supreme Court decided to videotape ( or was it televise?) their proceedings later next year in an infamous triple murder case ( Orderud) - that's a first.
Bah - undisputed, sorry.
I have also heard there is no greater compliment to a person of another country than a foreigner attempting to speak their language :)
:)
True, and we're all enormously flattered when someone takes the trouble to learn a relatively useless and obscure language like ours
That's interesting. Every DVD I've played on Linux I've paid for.
So did I - but we aren't using licensed players, are we?
Next step: Since the Microsoft Office file format is secret[1], according to the EUCD and the DMCA it is a crime to try to read MS Office documents in non-Microsoft programs.
[1] AFAIK. There was a specification of a Word format available somewehere, what is now known seems to be a result of soon-to-be-illegal reverse engineering.
If the persecutor manages
....
I don't know if that was intentional - but that is in fact the way she's coming across in the courtroom. The facts of the case are indisputed, she's been trying to show that what Jon did is illegal. So far it has been shown to be largely irrelevant - nomad gave the reverse-engineered CSS source to dod, too. I suppose that in the final argument on Monday the persecutor will try to show that whoever buys a CD agrees to play it only on licensed players. Unfortunately, no such agreement has been found anywhere except in the collective mind of Økokrim.
I think Trond Øgrim is on to something when he writes that the DVDCCA lied to the MPAA about what CSS could do, and are trying to cover up by making Jon the fall guy.
Rather than admitting that the crypto locking was about as secure as two pieces of cellophane stuck together with chewing gum, they blame the fiendishly clever hackers
This is a low-level court where there are three judges: one administrator who has the formal law education, and two lay judges - in this case they have been selected for their knowledge about the subject of the trial. Any appeal would be treated in a court with a jury, where size of the jury can vary, IIRC. Serious crimes are tried directly in the jury court and bypass the lower court altogether.
How do I know? I have served as a lay judge at this level three times.
In september a few pages belonging to Norwegian police were hacked, among those www.okokrim.no - the unit that indicted Jon. They seem to have moved their sides to a Cobalt server, in New York, it seems ... Ready! Aim! Hack!
We'll find out on Thursday. Counsel for the defense wanted to skip two witnesses he had asked for, since what they could tell had already been shown. Prosecutor objected, and wants to hear Stevenson's testimony, set for 10 AM local time tomorrow. No sensations today, except that the prosecutor revealed that she really is as technically clueless as she seems. ... "
...
"... could only be run under the operating system 'Microsoft'
Håkon Wium Lie was nearly ROFL when it was shown that many google hits on DeCSS referred to a program that strips off stylesheets
Thanks for the tip. I did a quick telnet to port 80, :-)
printed the result and slipped it to the defense today - and he used it. Much merriment in the courtroom
Actually it was only mentioned after he had - in my opinion - demolished completely the prosecutor's attempt to build a case by questioning Johansen on Monday afternoon and Tuesday morning. Witnesses will be called on Wednesday and Thursday, with "prosedyre" - final statements by prosecution and defense - on Friday. So far, the prosecution has failed to show that Johansen did anything illegal at all.
You are absolutely right - it was the MPAA, or perhaps their international arm MPA. Økokrim handles computer crime, too, like defacing web sites and hacking through firewalls. Although I am really starting to wonder about them: Recently they got a conviction for attempted money laundering against some utter fools who had fallen for a 419 scam .... I don't think I've ever seen such a heavy bogon flux
How about submitting a writeup to
Will try. I'm sure Aftenposten will cover it on their site, the on-line news sites digi.no and itavisen.no don't have English versions, sorry
[...]finding judges qualified to hear the case
barred (heh) from hearing computer- related cases until they pass it.
Yeah. I'm in the pool and I'm qualified, wish they had picked me. Never heard of the problem until a few days ago. Anyway - I have a couple of unused vacation days that I plan on spending in the courtroom. Wish I had a tape recorder!
Oh - FYI, this is a lower court where there is one learned judge and two lay judges.
Whatever the outcome I think it will be appealed to the next level, with a full jury.
Ah, Grashopper, you are on your way to Enlightenment. The Source will be with you.
Unicenter TNG probably don't support Linux
Yes, it does.
http://www.linux.org/apps/AppId_6775.html
http://www.etree.org/md5com.html
IMHO, I would rather the FAA develop a closed, in-house systems application to schedule and route my airplane properly than for it to be an open system.
Agreed. Even better, get the best of both worlds and let the FAA develop the application in house, and also make it open source. Maybe throw it open from the beginning - and have a Linus in control of the whole thing. The main problem is that the supply of Linuses - like Bernadottes - is limited.