In the small Norwegian town of Risør lives a man by the name of Kjell MacDonald. (Really - google for it) Kjell runs a small food place at the harbor side - I forget what he serves here, but it has nothing whatever to do with the golden arches stuff. The big boys sued - and were laughed out of court.
Do you read news.admin.net-abuse.email ? There are a couple of posters there that would love to hear from you, for mutual benefit - like providing docs and other support for Asian admins who need it. Agreed that some places need to be blocked until the Sun goes out - but there's nothing like a freshly converted admin to help spread the word:-)
I haven't had the time to run a proper check, but you may have trouble because certain blocks of Sprintlink IP space are blocklisted for spam support. Not by SPEWS (yet), but there are other lists out there. In any case, if you find that your e-mail is rejected anywhere by a block list user, take it up with your ISP. Then contact your correspondent by other means and ask for a whitelisting.
You support Hurricane Electric by paying them for your Internet connection. Hurricane Electric supports spamming by not kicking them off their network. If you are actively trying to get HE to change their policies and have something to talk to me about, I might consider whitelisting you - (i.e. add your address to a list of friends, checked before the spamblock).
If you are not doing that, and refuse to change ISP, then you are a spam supporter and I don't want any e-mail from you.
I did say "from memory", but I also remember I found the wording close to telling the docs to break their Hippocratic oath.
It's not made up. Let's take the broken leg example: The European doctor would help get Joey to an ER or someone who could treat him, just like any other human would. He would just not 1. say "I'm a doctor", 2. start treatment. Practicing without a license, hey? what's that furriner done to my Joey, I'll sue his ass off.
This has very little to do with the state of the US health system, instead, it reflects the fact that the majority of the world's lawyers live in the US. (ICBW, that may be an UL.)
It's sad that a group of people who really want to honestly help other people aren't allowed to be human and fail, struggling to help the best they can.
I'm in Europe. I'm also the proud dad of a doctor. His little handbook of advice to travelling doctors included a special advisory for travel in the US, from memory: "don't say you are a doctor. Don't volunteer to help in any situation, since you will be sued into oblivion whatever the outcome."
You "block their entry into your home". Fine. But they have already stolen some of your bandwidth, and stolen storage space at your ISP, both of which you pay for, not the spammers.
If every chickenboner and other spamming criminals are given free reins, your bandwidth would be mostly occupied by spam. Where's your freedom then?
I say block them at the source. I just wish I could find an ISP in my country that used SPEWS.
You rang? The following translation was also posted over at Linux Today a while ago. But - I thought that Microsoft is not offering Select 5.0 after August 1, 2002 or some such? I suppose that what mr. Norman means is whatever MS offers as the "upgrade" from Select 5.0 No government bodies are prohibited from buying MS software, but as noted above, they are not actively encouraged to do that anymore.
Press release No.: 43/2002 Date: 12.07.02 Contact person: Senior advisor Kai-Ove Nauen, t. 2224 4964
Increased competition for software in the public sector
To stimulate the use of open source software in public administration, the Minister of Labor and Public Administration Mr. Victor D. Norman has decided not to enter into a new Select 5.0-agreement with Microsoft Norway through the Adminnet cooperation.
Via the Adminnet system, government bodies on all levels from State to municipal have a Select 5.0-agreement with Microsoft Norway that is valid until November 30, 2002. This agreement gives public bodies the possibility to buy Microsoft software at lowered prices.
The use of Microsoft software is very extensive in public administration, and for some product areas there is very nearly a monopoly situation with market shares approaching 95%.
The use of open source software, e.g. Linux, may stimulate competition and reduce an unwanted segmentation in parts of the IT and communications market. To help make open source software a real alternative for public bodies, the Adminnet cooperation will not enter into a new Select 5.0-agreement with Microsoft Norway, says Minister Norman.
In the IT/communication strategy for public sector that will be presented this fall, further actions will be presented that will promote the use of open source software in public bodies.
But it is quite characteristic of those who oppose Open Source to label all supporting evidence as "anecdotal" and pooh-pooh it. Not blind faith - experience. Don't you think we would have switched back if the OSS really wasn't better?
After all, most of us did get Windows pre-installed on the computers we bought... I still have a legal Windows-98 partition on this computer, complete with Microsoft Office software from my employer's license pool. But I hardly ever use it - last time I booted it was to help a Win98 user who was stuck on a configuration problem.
I don't know about Win ME, but 98 refuses to boot if it finds a disk with a non-Microsoft tag on the first partition. I found out the hard way when I put a second disk in this OEM Compaq and installed Linux on it. Windows 98 on first drive, Linux on second. Windows would not boot with the Linux drive attached. Finally I found that if I put a tiny, empty partition labeled MSDOS ( or similar) ahead of the Linux partition, it worked fine.
Ridiculous indeed. I am typing this on a dual-boot machine, OEM install Win 98 which I booed in Win98 yesterday for the first time in months... Of course I can throw away the license, wipe the [expletive deleted ] stuff of the computer whenever I want to - and donate the machine to the neighborhood school. The OEM CD is useless after the HD has been reformatted.
If BSA wants to make an issue of it, let them - they would be laughed out of court.
Works with IE 5.5 SP2 + Q313675, on NT 4 SP6 except that I don't have the games installed:-)
I'm glad I just defined Opera as my default browser. IE is still company standard and _must_ be used on the intranet, as most sites don't work with anything else. furrfu
I got started on Linux about 2 releases before 1.0 - 0.99pl11 I think. Worked beautifully on my 386sx, 25 Mhz processor. Much nicer than Windows 3.1:-)
I use Windows at work and Linux at home, and wish for the day my employer switches...
*sigh' so what? All it means is that on the average, a Windows box runs fewer sites than a Unix box. Using a Unix you just don't need that
much hardware!
Hang on to your blocklists. Add SPEWS to your checks - it really works.
If anyone legitimate is blocked from sending mail into your system, let them complain to their own ISPs. They should ask for their money back - they have paid for a service that their ISP cannot deliver because it runs such a shoddy operation that it drops into block lists.
If you have customers who want spam, turn them over to the clueless ISPs...
Well - forwarding spam there would be fighting abuse with abuse. Not good. But surely I can add those addresses inside HTML comments on my web page? Nobody but spam spiders will ever see them.
Pretty soon they will be on the "gazillions" CDs..
The Door into Summer , nineteen-mumble....plotters, cleaning robots - and when his aging tomcat dies, he goes to cat heaven where
"robot cats are programmed to fight hard but always lose."
Tell me when they start moving, I might buy one as a toy for my real cats. Or maybe not - one of my females is calling now and would certainly try to seduce it.
Hmm - I wonder if catse.cx is taken?
Interesting. The newsfactor article is from May 2001. I just now, August 28, checked http://www.casio.com and there is NO mention of any dualboot. Windows ME, that's it. Linux is not mentioned on the entire site.
I'd be very happy so see evidence that a Casio computer comes with Linux preloaded at all..
AutoCad: LinuxCAD at http://softwareforge.com/ and
no, it's not free. AutoCad does run on at least AIX and probably other Unices, should be easily portable. ProEngineer is offered on five other unices - ditto.
Finite Element Analysis - lacking, there seem to be only small toolkits available.
Come on - if you are buying heavy systems like these, just ask the vendor to port the system.
If I still had access to the source code of Autokon I'd be porting it right now, GNU Fortran is probably up to it.
Slashdot Mirror
illegal under American antitrust law
So? Did you read the article, or even the header?
In the small Norwegian town of Risør lives a man by the name of Kjell MacDonald. (Really - google for it) Kjell runs a small food place at the harbor side - I forget what he serves here, but it has nothing whatever to do with the golden arches stuff. The big boys sued - and were laughed out of court.
Do you read news.admin.net-abuse.email ? :-)
There are a couple of posters there that would love to hear from you, for mutual benefit - like providing docs and other support for Asian admins who need it. Agreed that some places need to be blocked until the Sun goes out - but there's nothing like a freshly converted admin to help spread the word
Sorry about that. "Hurricane" pushed a button :-)
I haven't had the time to run a proper check, but you may have trouble because certain blocks of Sprintlink IP space are blocklisted for spam support. Not by SPEWS (yet), but there are other lists out there.
In any case, if you find that your e-mail is rejected anywhere by a block list user, take it up with your ISP. Then contact your correspondent by other means and ask for a whitelisting.
You support Hurricane Electric by paying them for your Internet connection. Hurricane Electric supports spamming by not kicking them off their network. If you are actively trying to get HE to change their policies and have something to talk to me about, I might consider whitelisting you - (i.e. add your address to a list of friends, checked before the spamblock).
If you are not doing that, and refuse to change ISP, then you are a spam supporter and I don't want any e-mail from you.
If the entire UUNet network went totally dark.. ... I would get less spam. /. them all!
"Buggrit. Millennium hand and shrimp, I told'em"
I did say "from memory", but I also remember I found the wording close to telling the docs to break their Hippocratic oath.
It's not made up. Let's take the broken leg example: The European doctor would help get Joey to an ER or someone who could treat him, just like any other human would. He would just not
1. say "I'm a doctor", 2. start treatment.
Practicing without a license, hey? what's that furriner done to my Joey, I'll sue his ass off.
This has very little to do with the state of the US health system, instead, it reflects the fact that the majority of the world's lawyers live in the US. (ICBW, that may be an UL.)
It's sad that a group of people who really want to honestly help other people aren't allowed to be human and fail, struggling to help the best they can.
I'm in Europe. I'm also the proud dad of a doctor. His little handbook of advice to travelling doctors included a special advisory for
travel in the US, from memory: "don't say you are a doctor. Don't volunteer to help in any situation, since you will be sued into oblivion whatever the outcome."
Scary.
You "block their entry into your home". Fine.
But they have already stolen some of your bandwidth, and stolen storage space at your ISP,
both of which you pay for, not the spammers.
If every chickenboner and other spamming criminals are given free reins, your bandwidth
would be mostly occupied by spam. Where's your freedom then?
I say block them at the source. I just wish I could find an ISP in my country that used SPEWS.
You rang?
The following translation was also posted over at Linux Today a while ago.
But - I thought that Microsoft is not offering
Select 5.0 after August 1, 2002 or some such?
I suppose that what mr. Norman means is whatever
MS offers as the "upgrade" from Select 5.0
No government bodies are prohibited from buying MS software, but as noted above, they are not actively encouraged to do that anymore.
Press release
No.: 43/2002
Date: 12.07.02
Contact person: Senior advisor Kai-Ove Nauen, t. 2224 4964
Increased competition for software in the public sector
To stimulate the use of open source software in public administration,
the Minister of Labor and Public Administration Mr. Victor D. Norman has
decided not to enter into a new Select 5.0-agreement with Microsoft Norway
through the Adminnet cooperation.
Via the Adminnet system, government bodies on all levels from State to municipal
have a Select 5.0-agreement with Microsoft Norway that is valid until November 30, 2002.
This agreement gives public bodies the possibility to buy Microsoft software at lowered
prices.
The use of Microsoft software is very extensive in public administration, and for some
product areas there is very nearly a monopoly situation with market shares approaching
95%.
The use of open source software, e.g. Linux, may stimulate competition and reduce an
unwanted segmentation in parts of the IT and communications market.
To help make open source software a real alternative for public bodies, the Adminnet
cooperation will not enter into a new Select 5.0-agreement with Microsoft Norway,
says Minister Norman.
In the IT/communication strategy for public sector that will be presented this fall,
further actions will be presented that will promote the use of open source software in
public bodies.
Wonder if they think charging for it will make people more likely to use it.
/. thread is a sort of Godwinization ... anyway:
I wonder if mentioning Heinlein in a
Michael Valentine Smith to Jubal Harshaw: " Oh, you gotta charge the marks, otherwise they won't pay attention."
It's the old carnie wisdom all over again
Yes, really.
... I still have a legal Windows-98 partition on this computer, complete with Microsoft Office software from my employer's license pool. But I hardly ever use it - last time I booted it was to help a Win98 user who was stuck on a configuration problem.
But it is quite characteristic of those who oppose Open Source to label all supporting evidence as "anecdotal" and pooh-pooh it. Not blind faith - experience. Don't you think we would have switched back if the OSS really wasn't better?
After all, most of us did get Windows pre-installed on the computers we bought
Normally I use Windows when I'm paid to do so.
I don't know about Win ME, but 98 refuses to boot if it finds a disk with a non-Microsoft tag on the first partition. I found out the hard way when I put a second disk in this OEM Compaq and installed Linux on it. Windows 98 on first drive, Linux on second. Windows would not boot with the Linux drive attached. Finally I found that if I put a tiny, empty partition labeled MSDOS ( or similar) ahead of the Linux partition, it worked fine.
Ridiculous indeed. I am typing this on a dual-boot machine, OEM install Win 98 which I ...
booed in Win98 yesterday for the first time in months
Of course I can throw away the license, wipe the [expletive deleted ] stuff of the computer whenever I want to - and donate the machine to the neighborhood school. The OEM CD is useless after the HD has been reformatted.
If BSA wants to make an issue of it, let them - they would be laughed out of court.
Works with IE 5.5 SP2 + Q313675, on NT 4 SP6 :-)
except that I don't have the games installed
I'm glad I just defined Opera as my default browser. IE is still company standard and _must_ be used on the intranet, as most sites don't work with anything else. furrfu
I got started on Linux about 2 releases before 1.0 - 0.99pl11 I think. Worked beautifully on my 386sx, 25 Mhz processor. Much nicer than Windows 3.1
I use Windows at work and Linux at home, and wish for the day my employer switches
*sigh' so what? All it means is that on the average, a Windows box runs fewer sites than a Unix box. Using a Unix you just don't need that
much hardware!
Hang on to your blocklists. Add SPEWS to your checks - it really works.
...
If anyone legitimate is blocked from sending mail into your system, let them complain to their own ISPs. They should ask for their money back - they have paid for a service that their ISP cannot deliver because it runs such a shoddy operation that it drops into block lists.
If you have customers who want spam, turn them over to the clueless ISPs
Well - forwarding spam there would be fighting abuse with abuse. Not good. But surely I can add those addresses inside HTML comments on my web page? Nobody but spam spiders will ever see them. ..
Pretty soon they will be on the "gazillions" CDs
The Door into Summer , nineteen-mumble....plotters, cleaning robots - and when his aging tomcat dies, he goes to cat heaven where
"robot cats are programmed to fight hard but always lose."
Tell me when they start moving, I might buy one as a toy for my real cats. Or maybe not - one of my females is calling now and would certainly try to seduce it.
Hmm - I wonder if catse.cx is taken?
> I just want to go home, and hug my family.
Do that -
http://ars.userfriendly.org/?id=20010912
I think Iliad is speaking for most of us
My heart goes out to all who have been hit by this
unspeakable atrocity. You're in what passes for prayers with me.
Interesting. The newsfactor article is from May 2001. I just now, August 28, checked http://www.casio.com and there is NO mention of any dualboot. Windows ME, that's it. Linux is not mentioned on the entire site. ..
I'd be very happy so see evidence that a Casio computer comes with Linux preloaded at all
AutoCad: LinuxCAD at http://softwareforge.com/ and
no, it's not free. AutoCad does run on at least AIX and probably other Unices, should be easily portable. ProEngineer is offered on five other unices - ditto.
Finite Element Analysis - lacking, there seem to be only small toolkits available.
Come on - if you are buying heavy systems like these, just ask the vendor to port the system.
If I still had access to the source code of Autokon I'd be porting it right now, GNU Fortran is probably up to it.