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Jon Johansen DeCSS Trial Next Week

daniel_howell writes "Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten has a story on the imminent start (after delays in finding judges qualified to hear the case) of the trial of local teenage Jon Johansen for helping to write and distribute the DeCSS program to play DVDs on a home computer. The article notes that under Norwegian law it is perfectly legal to make a copy for your own personal use. The Norwegian press is generally supportive of Johansen, and Aftenposten is usually good at posting updates to big stories like this on its English pages, so watch this space to follow the story as it unfolds."

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  1. From Soviet Russia With Love: +1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny


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    1. Re:From Soviet Russia With Love: +1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And exactly how is this off-topic?

    2. Re:From Soviet Russia With Love: +1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Perl is the only language that looks the same before and after RSA encryption"--Unknow

  2. He didn't even crack DVD's CSS by kaosrain · · Score: 5, Informative

    From a text file that came with DeCSS (I'm at the cap, don't worry):

    - The Truth about DVD CSS cracking by MoRE and [dEZZY/DoD] -

    Date: 4th of November 1999.
    By: [dEZZY/DoD], [MultiAGP & German dood of MoRE]

    This document is written cooperatively by the two groups
    that independently and simultaneously cracked the DVD Content
    Scrambling System, in order to straighten out mass media
    confusion.

    DoD -> Drink or Die: "warez bearz from Russia and Beyond"
    MoRE -> Masters of Reverse Engineering

    [dEZZY/DoD] alone is the author of DoD DVD Speed Ripper.
    MoRE is a new group and they are the authors of DeCSS.

    Lately, Jon Johansen of MoRE has been pretty much all over
    the news in Norway, though he had NOTHING to do with the actual
    cracking of the DVD CSS protection. Yes, it was MoRE who did
    DeCSS, but the actual crack was not a team effort, MoRE didn't
    even exist back when the anonymous German (who is now a MoRE
    member) cracked it...

    Most of the papers chose a headline very similar to this:
    "15-year old Norwegian cracked the DVD-code".
    They probably did this because they wanted to make a big
    Norwegian "Wooohoooo" out of it. This was also pretty much
    the contents of the TV show "Vestfold-sendingen" where they
    brought up matters from Vestfold, Norway where Jon Johansen
    lives.

    In most newspapers they vagely included the name MoRE, and
    that DeCSS was a team effort, but neither MoRE nor DoD liked
    the headlines. Jon's comment on this matter is:
    "I never told the media that I had cracked the dvd encryption.
    What I told them, was that we (MoRE) had made an app called
    DeCSS which would decrypt dvd movies and let them be played
    off your hd, or off dvdrs if you have a dvd burner. I always
    used _we_ and _MoRE_ when talking to them. I never said anything
    about me or my position in the group.
    Now that the storm is over, I see that all they were after,
    was to get a big story. They even included some of "my" quotes,
    which I never said. When media starts making up stuff, it's really
    sad. I know that this has been done before in Norwegian media,
    regarding the cooperation between a computer group at my school
    and the school people in charge of the network. All I can say is
    that I'm very sorry that the media twisted my words, and even lied,
    to make it appear as I had done the cracking myself. I'm pretty
    sure that I will do everything to avoid the media in the future,
    but if I'm forced to talk with them, I'll have to get them to
    sign an agreement. Again, I apologize on the behalf of Norwegian
    press, and I hope that this document will make everything clear.
    The truth shall set you free."

    DoD DVD Speed Ripper was developed by [dEZZY/DoD] at the
    same time as DeCSS. The first release of DoD's app (which
    came out a couple of weeks before the first release of DeCSS)
    did not work with all (WB) titles, like The Matrix. This was
    known by [dEZZY/DoD] at the time of his release. MoRE decided
    to wait until they could fix this. In short time, [dEZZY/DoD]
    solved the problem and MoRE's top coder/disassembler from
    Germany used that information to get DeCSS working with every
    movie before they released it, along with a GUI. DeCSS was then
    the first application which decrypted ALL dvd titles, since DoD
    had not released a new version to the public. How MoRE got
    their hands on the information by [dEZZY/DoD], seems to have
    something to do with the Linux community...

    Why Drink or Die didn't want to release a new version so soon,
    was because warez sites nuke programs that are too close in
    release (minimum 2-3 weeks). Meanwhile when DeCSS came out, it
    caused DoD to delay any Windows release until a GUI version of
    their Speed Ripper was done. However, they released a Linux
    version of their ripper late October 1999. As for the new Windows
    version of the Speed Ripper, [dEZZY/DoD] has been very busy with
    his education and hence the ripper is extremely delayed.

    [dEZZY/DoD] already got the idea of reverse engineering a DVD
    player for the CSS code back in late summer 1998. He was not able
    to do it at the time since he did not have access to a DVDROM. In
    the beginning of 1999, MoRE's German member also got the idea.
    [dEZZY/DoD] and MoRE's German member got CSS decryption code
    working at the same time (middle of September 1999), without
    having shared info (although they knew about each other). After
    [dEZZY/DoD] solved "the problem", MoRE's German member, as stated
    above, implemented these changes and added them to DeCSS for
    release.

    Before DeCSS was developed and released, MoRE had already sent
    the source for the decryption to their contact in the Linux DVD
    community, Derek Fawcus . This is the reason
    why one of Wired's news reporters was put on the case.

    [dEZZY/DoD] also had relations in the Linux DVD community (who
    does not want to be mentioned), but decided not to release the
    source code publicly (at least not for the moment).

    Enjoy the software!

    - Jon Johansen [MoRE]
    - anonymous German cracker [MoRE]
    - [dEZZY/DoD]

    1. Re:He didn't even crack DVD's CSS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
      The first public crack of CSS was Frank Stevenson's analysis.


      Abstract: CSS is a scrambling system used in the distribution for movies on DVD ( Digital Versatile Disc ) a high capacity CD like storage system. Its main purpose is to prevent the unauthorized duplication of disc contents. This is achieved through encrypting the files, and storing keys in hardware. Here we will describe the system, and show that even if the keys can be securely stored in hardware, the data will not be protected from unauthorized copying. Severe weaknesses in the ciphers effectively voids the need for the hardware keys when decrypting the content.
    2. Re:He didn't even crack DVD's CSS by BrodeCo · · Score: 1

      Plus, I have met DVD-Jon (last year at a pathetic "demonstration" [sadly, Norwegians are like Americans-- not enough people keep themselves informed of technological developments. I'm sure that most people learn that CSS and DeCSS exist for the first time when I mention the case to them.] in downtown Oslo)

      1) Jon is not a criminal. Any code he invented for the GUI was probably genius. The MPAA should hire him as a security expert and put out this P.R. fire there and then. Jon seems very bashful (typical Norwegian) about all of the press that his case has been getting. I don't think he has very much to worry about. The Kingdom of Norway tolerates our spoiled-child attitude, but they're not going to send a Norsk hacker to jail just because we say so. No matter what.

      2) MPAA: Shut up, you're scaring away customers.
      Before I actually met Jon, and talked to people who know him (or at least people who are fluent in Norsk, and therefore don't frighten him as much-- Norwegians really are a very timid and reserved people, for the most part-- especially compared to us Americans.) ... before I had met him in person, I didn't really care. I know it's un-geeky of me, but nobody deserves the nightmare of a summons which says "the American Corporations are after YOU, Jon!"....
      anyhow, leave him alone. You can defensibly make a public show of this, but for the sake of the studios' future, you damn well better let this one go. Otherwise, by the time all of you Baby Boomers are dead and gone, NOBODY will be paying money for ANYTHING this frivolous. You play "let's pretend" for a living, or more likely you order people who are actually good at creating mainstream entertainment to water their creative visions down-- what's left of their creativity, anyway, after the putridity of Hollywood kills their spirit. Don't expect "Generation X" or Y, or whatever stupid thing your marketing drones are going to come up with next, to put up with as much bullshit from international monopolies. Seriously. Ever hear of a city called Seattle? WTO ring a bell? The People are really, really sick and tired of your shit. Leave the Norwegians alone. Our laws don't apply to Jon. Period.

      3) Aftenposten is kind of a cheesy paper. Their story presents a fair (Norwegian, anyhow) portrait of Jon's story. Slashdotters: read what they are saying on http://indymedia.no/ , etc... find out what your fellow young geeks think. You'll be surprised. This is kind of Much Ado About Nothing...

      Thanks for indulging my ranting.

      Brodie Kelly
      Consumer, Anarchist, Buddhist

  3. What I find ridiculous... by intermodal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    is that the RIAA is suing a Norwegian for breaking a law that isn't in Norway. This is no different from Dmitry's case, unless you consider the fact that Jon didn't actually sell his program. And both should be found not guilty, and it doesn't change the fact that the DMCA is bad legislature.

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    In SOVIET RUSSIA... erm...NSA AMERICA, the Internet logs onto YOU!
    1. Re:What I find ridiculous... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get it. What exactly are they trying him
      for? He's in Norway and hasn't broken any
      Norwegian law. If they want to prosecute him
      for breaking the DMCA, shouldn't he have to
      be extradited? Or come of his own free will, like
      Dimitry and ElcomSoft (I don't know if I spelled
      that right) have.

    2. Re:What I find ridiculous... by Newtonian_p · · Score: 5, Informative
      He is not getting sued under the DCMA. It is an American law and has no standing in a Norwegian court.

      They're suing him under a Norwegian breaking-in law. This law has never been used before for persecuting the breaking into your own property as the article indicates.

      --

      There are 2 kinds of people in this world: Those who write in decimal and those who don't

    3. Re:What I find ridiculous... by jgerman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, it's exactly the same. Except that Dmitri was arrested on U.S. soil, in the act of breaking U.S. law. I do believe that it's a bad law, but it is a law just the same.

      --
      I'm the big fish in the big pond bitch.
    4. Re:What I find ridiculous... by EzInKy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, it's exactly the same. Except that Dmitri was arrested on U.S. soil, in the act of breaking U.S. law. I do believe that it's a bad law, but it is a law just the same.

      At one time it was legal for people of a certain skin color to take away all the rights of people of a different skin color. It was a bad law, but it was the law all the same.

      --
      Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
    5. Re:What I find ridiculous... by Zemran · · Score: 5, Insightful

      At least he is lucky enough to be tried in a country with a more reasonable legal system, i.e. run for the people rather than by industry.

      --
      I love stacking my barbecues in the shed at the end of summer - you can't beat a bit of grill on grill action.
    6. Re:What I find ridiculous... by jgerman · · Score: 2
      Your point being? I'll answer your question for you, you have no point. I never said the law was correct, I never said I wanted it to stayt on the books, in fact the argument wasn't even about the morality of the law, it was about whether or not the two cases were the same. And they are not. The law was broken in Dmitri's case. Whether or not the DMCA holds up we'll find out.


      Furthermore, I never claimed that Dmitri should be punished simply because the law is on the books, that's up for the court to decide. It's up to us, those of us that feel the DMCA is wrong, to help fight it. But that has NOTHING to do with whether the two situations are the same.

      --
      I'm the big fish in the big pond bitch.
    7. Re:What I find ridiculous... by intermodal · · Score: 2

      yes...but by saying that prosecuting him was correct implies that there is no room for the spirit of the law, only the letter.

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      In SOVIET RUSSIA... erm...NSA AMERICA, the Internet logs onto YOU!
    8. Re:What I find ridiculous... by EzInKy · · Score: 2

      I never said the law was correct

      True, you didn't say it was correct. But what you did say was that because it is a law it should be prosecuted no matter how bad a law it is. Jon is being prosecuted under a law in his own country while Dmitry was being prosecuted by a law from a foreign country. Neither is guilty of stealing from anyone but that is basically what they were both charged with.

      --
      Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
    9. Re:What I find ridiculous... by jgerman · · Score: 2

      I think you are greatly misunderstanding the spirit of the DMCA. Both the letter AND the spirit are so bad that it needs to be fought. Should he be prosecuted, yes. The law exists, there's no getting around it, it doesn't do any good to just ignore the law, it needs to be repealed. Nameley because situations arise such as this, when some people want the law to be in effect and others don't.

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      I'm the big fish in the big pond bitch.
  4. Uhrm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten"

    As opposed to Slashdotian newspaper Firstenposten?

    1. Re:Uhrm? by tkittel · · Score: 3, Informative

      Just in case you wondered, "aften" means "evening".

    2. Re:Uhrm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bork, bork bork!!!

    3. Re:Uhrm? by anarchima · · Score: 1

      ...and "posten" means "mail" in English. So, "Evening Mail".

    4. Re:Uhrm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  5. Many more to come by Enquest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is only the beginning. If software patents take their hold in Europe they will lock up free software programmers all over.
    Thats why software patents are against free speech. In history the establisment locked philosopher up. Now they will lock hackers, programmers up of violating code.

  6. So what did Jon do? by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If he didn't crack it, then what did he do? Release it under his own name?

    Shouldn't it have occurred to him that might not have been such a hot idea?

    1. Re:So what did Jon do? by oddrune · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Everyone can't run and hide from the big bad wolf. Don't complain when somebody stick their head out to take the case to court.

    2. Re:So what did Jon do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      well outta of the group that did it he was one of the few that was underage (16 at the time if i remebr right)
      so he chose to bve the front man for the group just incase it did go to court he would be more likely to get off.and wouldnt have to put his wife kids thru the pains of public life/trial.

    3. Re:So what did Jon do? by Porag_Spliffing · · Score: 1

      Perhaps he thought that he may have the legal right to access his own property in any way he choose rather than be dictated to by some studio the other side of the world. How naive these kids can be.

      --
      Maybe you live in interesting times
  7. He's being charged under norwegian law... by Kjella · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...which is why most legal experts believe the case will belly-flop. It's not a DMCA-ish law, but rather a law against hacking/cracking. The key issue here is that it must be unauthorized - if you hack MPAA and take it from their server, it's unauthorized. However, the DVDs are his property and as far as most legal experts think, you can do whatever the hell you want with it.

    At least that was the situation at the time of DeCSS, now the new EU copyright directive is making that illegal in EU (and by EEC-agreement, in Norway too).

    --
    Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
    1. Re:He's being charged under norwegian law... by rmohr02 · · Score: 2

      But soon we'll be forced to agree to EULAs in order to watch a DVD.

    2. Re:He's being charged under norwegian law... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Note that the EU directives aren't laws for the countries. A person in a country still is only obliged to follow its own country's laws, and until a country adopt the directive into its laws, it is not illegal (in this case for example). One can possibly take the country to some central EU court (or whatever it is called) for not implementing the directive but as long as the directive is not implemented into a country's law, the citiziens is not affected by it.

    3. Re:He's being charged under norwegian law... by pyite · · Score: 1

      To an extent, you do in the United States. The FBI warning tells you what you can and cannot do regarding copying.

      --

      "Nature doesn't care how smart you are. You can still be wrong." - Richard Feynman

    4. Re:He's being charged under norwegian law... by rmohr02 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, but the FBI warning doesn't take away any of my rights.

    5. Re:He's being charged under norwegian law... by SigmundK · · Score: 0

      oh looks like i'm in trouble for scraping out excrement from my ass with te red planet dvd. OH SHIT!

  8. So many other programs by Mirell · · Score: 5, Interesting
    What I don't see is why the MPAA focused on just the first program that was made available, deCSS, when now it is basically completely worthless with any new DVDs released today. It was a first generation decoder. That key has already been shelfed, and now you have such things as DVD Ripper, et cetera, which decode, rip the DVD, make a new IFO, all in one step. It's not like the RIAA vs. Peer 2 Peer shairing, where it can take down major nodes, and shatter the network. You may still own a copy of Napster, but it's completely worthless (Unless you try to use it to connect to OpenNap networks, but why not use WinMX then), while people with copies of DVD Ripper, if they rid the Internet of that program, will be just as useful as they were before.

    Just my two bits...and a byte...haha...

    --
    We have so much time, and so little to do - strike that! Reverse it. Tryn Mirell
  9. Re:Anyone know... by Nonillion · · Score: 1

    I'd like to know also, it's slower than dial-up

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    "I bow to no man" - Riddick
  10. Slashdot has moved. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To Soviet Russia!

  11. poor newspaper.... by pulse2600 · · Score: 3, Funny

    They will soon understand what "slashdot virkning" is...

    1. Re:poor newspaper.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia slashdot virkning is you!

  12. Why everything is slow by BSOD+from+above · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Spam outgrew the internet and spilled over into /space. The article on spam attracted a lot of intrest from either friend or foe.

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    Karma: Censored (mostly affected by decency laws)
  13. By the way, what IS the legal status of Linux DVD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Just out of curiosity: I am located in the United States, and use mplayer to watch encrypted DVD's on my Linux PC. Am I breaking the law (DMCA)? I'm sure that nobody has been prosecuted for it, but has the [il]legality of this actually been "officially" established? Can anyone cite a source?

  14. Quotes are always made up... by Spoing · · Score: 1

    Being a mere lacky I've also been misquoted by the press multiple times. How folks who are interviewed often stand it I don't know but it annoys the hell out of me.

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    A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
  15. Judges by starling · · Score: 4, Insightful

    [...]finding judges qualified to hear the case

    Wow, good idea! I only wish it happened more often in technical cases. Better still, maybe judges should be required to attend a remedial computer class and barred (heh) from hearing computer-related cases until they pass it.

    1. Re:Judges by catman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      [...]finding judges qualified to hear the case

      barred (heh) from hearing computer- related cases until they pass it.

      Yeah. I'm in the pool and I'm qualified, wish they had picked me. Never heard of the problem until a few days ago. Anyway - I have a couple of unused vacation days that I plan on spending in the courtroom. Wish I had a tape recorder!

      Oh - FYI, this is a lower court where there is one learned judge and two lay judges.
      Whatever the outcome I think it will be appealed to the next level, with a full jury.

    2. Re:Judges by starling · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Anyway - I have a couple of unused vacation days that I plan on spending in the courtroom.

      How about submitting a writeup to /.? Would make an good follow up story to this one.

    3. Re:Judges by korgull · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't really care about that. I rather have a 100.000 posting posting DeCSS if didn't mather.
      unfortunately DeCSS is rather insignificant nowadays and rather outdated. Not necessary anoymore for decryption because a simple brute force crack already will fo the job (www.videolan.org for example). Besides trhat one doesn't even need to decrypt to copy a DVD. It's simply noy copy protection at all. And we better shut up about this issue before we waiste anyone else's time :-)

    4. Re:Judges by catman · · Score: 1


      How about submitting a writeup to /.? Would make an good follow up story to this one.

      Will try. I'm sure Aftenposten will cover it on their site, the on-line news sites digi.no and itavisen.no don't have English versions, sorry

  16. Sorry For The Bumbled Code: From Soviet Russia III by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's a link to the DeCSS Descramblers courtesy of Carnie Mellon
    University. This is what academia is all about.

    Cheers,

    Woot.

  17. Qualified Judge? by jaymzter · · Score: 2

    If Norway is reasonable enough to find a "qualified" judge, why couldn't the same have been done for Microsoft's trial? I guess the bias in my post is obvious. Surely a qualified judge would have actually provided remedies in the MS case. So.. do any judges read /.? That's a qualification ;-)

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    1. Re:Qualified Judge? by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Far offtopic, but are you even paying attention?
      I'll get modded down -1, Not-Being-A-Linux-Zealot for this, but did you not notice sony packaging Star Office instead of MS office?

      --
      Pain lasts, kid. Its how you know you're alive. Sometimes I think this growing up thing is just pain management-TheMaxx
    2. Re:Qualified Judge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is for you

      Really, you just had to post some anti-Microsoft shit...

  18. No by Wheaty18 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    It's their points, which they have a limited amount of. They can "spend" them whichever way they please.

  19. CSS != copy protection, CSS == play protection... by jvl001 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The article notes that under Norwegian law it is perfectly legal to make a copy for your own personal use.

    CSS does not prevent you from making a bit-by-bit copy of a DVD! You can mount a DVD and look at the contents, move the file to your hard drive, etc. You just can't decode the contents without using an approved method.

    CSS is designed to prevent me from playing media I legally purchased in a device I legally purchased unless I use approved software.

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    /. is to journalism as graffiti is to a bathroom wall
  20. Music industry's business model... by sapgau · · Score: 3, Insightful

    (surely this is off-topic) ... is by using a technology that can be cracked by a teenager and be replicated/copied around the world. And instead of fixing the technology they buy legislators to make laws to come down on this kid and make him an example to the world.

    Unless I like to invest (and trust) in mafia type industries, I would place my money somewhere else.

  21. Surprise by denisonbigred · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Frankly im surprised that he wasn't extradited to the US like others have been recently. It disgusts me that we (the US) think that we have the right to enforce our laws anywhere, at any time. If people dont have the benefits (and sadly I say that with no small degree of sarcasm these days) of being a US citizen or residing in the US, then they should not be subject to OUR laws.


    An aside: I tried to post this at about 3:30 or so and the site was so slow that it timed out before my comment could go through, several times. Does anyone know why it was so slow?

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    "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals."
  22. "...can contribute...." by extrarice · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I love this line (emphasis mine):

    "Norwegian prosecutors claim the program *can contribute* to illegal copying of DVDs."

    Car makers better watch out - cars can contrubite to bank robberies and drive-by shootings.

    When did the ability to do something start to mean that you actually committed the crime itself?

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    "Jesus saves, but everyone else in a 10 foot radius takes full damage from the fireball."
    1. Re:"...can contribute...." by sparkz · · Score: 3, Insightful
      When did the ability to do something start to mean that you actually committed the crime itself?

      In 1998, when the DMCA was passed

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    2. Re:"...can contribute...." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They better hurry and make a law against baseball bats, because they *can contribute* to serious declines in health of certain lawmakers.

    3. Re:"...can contribute...." by binarybum · · Score: 1

      true, and in order to prevent these "contributions" from happening, new programs such as the Homeland Security Bill have been passed to assure that henious contributions are terminated while they are still in the idea stage.

      It's becoming a lot like Minority Report, only less funny to watch because it's real

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      ôó
    4. Re:"...can contribute...." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      When did the ability to do something start to mean that you actually committed the crime itself?

      well honestly, (not that I agree), that's what the gun-control lobby has been arguing for quite some time.

      please check your prejudices at the door. thanks.
    5. Re:"...can contribute...." by MaGGuN · · Score: 1

      Well.. not that I support the prosecutors in this case, I must say that your analogy is pretty far off. Unlike a car f.ex. wich isn't designed for bank robbers convenience. This program was specifically designed to let you copy originals wich makes the road to unlawfullness pretty short at least in the minds of the prosecutors in this case. Not only does it copy, but it specifically cracks a code that is there to prevent you from copying it ( this is what the case is about, not the fact that it let's people make copies ). If car manufacturers created and implemented a device that magically cracked the code of bank vaults, then I agree, they would have to watch out.

    6. Re:"...can contribute...." by WetCat · · Score: 1

      Ok... car built so they make possible a killing of other people by riding over them... So what now?
      You can easy run a car over 100 people on sidewalk...
      Cars are made to kill?

    7. Re:"...can contribute...." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      You have to weight the overall use *after*
      its pulled into wider masses. After millions
      of cars are sold, there a small fraction
      of them used to make (harsh)illegal things.

      But DeCSS has _no other purpose_ than to
      allow people making divx rips. On a typical
      harddisc, you could only store 4-5 movies
      then the space would be swallow'd. And
      a backup to other DVDs isn't current
      possible with some tweaking or converting.

      That backup thing is a straw argument,
      since I got a replacement DVD (was
      heavily scratched inside the box) for
      no single cent.

      So I can say: Cars have some other use,
      DeCSS has no other purpose than doing
      wrong things.

      -Johna

  23. Yes you do! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dont worry, the Hungarisan assholes who wrote Mplayer are going to be sued by MPAA soon.

  24. The Hungarian Assholes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right on! Those Hungarian Assholes who wrote Mplayer are awful people! They DO need to grow up!

  25. It's not like they can stop it... by Kjella · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They just want someone to be punished for it so it will scare off other people from doing things like that. Seriously, even if you shut down the entire internet I'm sure we'd pass cds around with DVD rippers.

    Kjella

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    Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
  26. Hungarisan=what's that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe you wanted to say Hungary San.

  27. Re:CSS != copy protection, CSS == play protection. by Dyolf+Knip · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Quite true. As has been pointed out many times, copying and playing of copied DVDs was going on for some time before DeCSS was written. Any claims that you have to be able to decode something to copy it are bogus beyond all belief.

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    Dyolf Knip
  28. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Dexter's+Laboratory · · Score: 1

    Dudes! What is this Soviet Russia deal all about?

  29. Re:By the way, what IS the legal status of Linux D by psamuels · · Score: 2, Informative

    #include <ianal.txt>

    I am located in the United States, and use mplayer to watch encrypted DVD's on my Linux PC. Am I breaking the law (DMCA)?

    Technically it is not illegal to use mplayer to watch your DVD - at least, assuming nobody has a patent on the various bits of MPEG2 contained therein. (Because mplayer doesn't have the appropriate patent licenses. Although, if you own a copy of Quicktime or WMP, you probably have such a patent license, in which case you're fine. And since both QT and WMP are free downloads, you can thus acquire a patent license quite easily just by downloading the executables.)

    But it is a DMCA violation to distribute mplayer. So those Hungarians are in big trouble, as are you if you put it up for your friends to download.

    Of course, that is relying on the pedantic, literal interpretation of the DMCA. And we all know how far that goes when Adobe picks up the phone and sics the FBI on you.

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    "How can you claim that you are anti-crack, while still writing a window manager?" — Metacity README
  30. Check 'The Simpsons' (Mr.Plow episode) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check 'The Simpsons' (Mr.Plow episode)

  31. Every serious Slashdotter knows! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every serious Slashdotter watches 'The Simpsons" and knows all about it!

  32. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by TeknoDragon · · Score: 2

    google to the rescue

    http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4 69 15&cid=4818984

  33. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by TeknoDragon · · Score: 2

    right link this time

    link

  34. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Dexter's+Laboratory · · Score: 1

    Thanks to all.
    Kinda sucks that we didn't get to see those Simpsons episodes over here yet :(

  35. Re:CSS != copy protection, CSS == play protection. by The+Smith · · Score: 2

    Everything you say is correct. But bear in mind that most small-scale, non-commercial copying of films is not done on DVDs, as DVD writers are expensive and there are several incompatible writing methods. Instead, people swap movies in the form of CDROM-sized AVIs compressed using divx. To create such a file from a DVD would require DeCSS or equivalent.

  36. Good luck. (Hope he doesn't need it...) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But if good luck is what it takes, I'll wish
    him every bit I can. (I might even put it on
    my list for Santa if necessary...)

    One request: please DON'T LOSE JUST to SPITE the VERY GREEDY lawyers.
    It's not worth being THAT ARROGANT.
    It just isn't. Trust me.

    (I think I'll click the 'Post Anonymously' button before I click submit.)

  37. What would the test look like if /.'ers made it? by IshanCaspian · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    1) First post! (a) Huh? (b) W00t! (c) Troll, -1 2) The MPAA is an example of: (a) An evil oppressing soul-stealing euphemism for organized crime (b) The very hand of satan (c) Troll, -1 3) Microsoft can best be described as: (a) Evil (b) Evil (c) Troll, -1 4) All your base are belong to: (a) The RIAA (b) us (c) Troll, -1 5) In Communist Russia: (a) CSS cracks you! (b) Bill Shatner interviews you! (c) Troll, -1 6) A computer running linux and another running windows are placed next to each other in an enclosed area, a) they will do nothing b) The linux computer will devour the windoze machine with its righteous wrath, and then urinate on its hard drive to symbolize the fate of all non-free software c) Troll, -1

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    But there is another kind of evil that we must fear most... and that is the indifference of good men.