As a 3L who can't get a job, and who will probably go back to software engineering (not necessarily a bad thing) after law school, I wholeheartedly agree. Unless you have a very good reason, don't go to law school. It is not the ticket that it once was, and considering the education required, the payoff is not going to be worth it for most people.
Definitely. I wish the law school deans were more honest. And I wouldn't even say the education isn't worth it, but the debt most people put themselves in definitely isn't.
"...I used to be disappointed that so many of the best minds in the country were being devoted to this enterprise...I mean lawyers, after all, don't produce anything...and I worry that we are devoting too many of out best minds to this enterprise...I don't have any complaint about the quality of the council, except maybe we're wasting some of our best minds"
The skillset that makes you good at the law doesn't necessarily translate well into other fields. Take a hypothetical college student; likes philosophy, social science, literature, great analytical and verbal skills, but not especially strong technical or mathematical skills. What alternate career would you suggest? Through most of human history, being a skilled speaker, writer, and thinker could get you places, but in the modern world those skills aren't as valued.
If a law is written in such a fashion that the average citizen cannot understand it, let alone defend themselves in a court with it, liberty is damaged.
The thing about the law and complexity is it scales. If you're just a regular guy on the street, there isn't THAT much of the law you need to be aware of/understand. If you're a huge company, then yes, there's a lot more you have to be aware of, but you are in the position where you have the resources to do it.
A lot of the "complexity" people complain about in the law is an attempt to create a system that's objective as possible. It doesn't succeed totally, of course, but without this complexity I think it would be a lot worse.
. Sure, Solanas was a seriously disturbed individual. How can you relate the remark from Marylin French as being any less disturbed...
Ummm...Novel. Character. Fiction.
I'd say that the Feminst crowd need to clean house a bit and actively discourage that sort of conduct (which is NOT happening...believe me it's not...) before they have any sort of room to claim "sexist" on other things.
Only...it is. Google second wave feminism vs. third wave feminism.
Why is that though? You want to talk about out dated social mores, the concept that the man is expected to ask the woman out on the date seems to be up there on the list of ones that shouldn't be around any more.
Oh I agree completely. But that doesn't change what the facts are. I would love to be asked out sometime.
...too incredulous to believe. Especially in New York.
Are you kidding?? I'm a lawyer in NY, and the job market here is bad to the point of ridiculousness. Any open position will have hundreds of applicants, and the worst thing is it's probably never going to recover. Too many law schools, too many ignorant law school applicants, and too many law school administrators who are the only ones who benefit from the lawyer explosion.
Playboy's been in bad shape for quite a few years now. It seems like they never figured out how to stay profitable in the face of competition from the web, despite having one of the most valuable brands in the world.
Take a look at their chart. [google.com] If you click on the ten-year view, you'll see that they peaked during the dot com boom when investors just assumed that they were going to make a fortune on the net.
The sad thing about playboy is it actually used to be highly respected for things other than pictures of naked young women. Some of the best writers of the 20th century routinely published in their magazine.
I can't say I wholly agree with MikeeUSA's commentary about Nina Reiser- nor can I comment either way on his assessment of the story.
Well I can safely say I wholly disagree with MikeeUSA's idiocy. Hans Reiser is a sociopath. If a relationship is bothering you enough, end it.
The SCUM Manifesto by Valerie Solanas.
Solanas was an extremely disturbed paranoid schizophrenic, not a feminist philosopher.
"All men are rapists and that's all they are" -- Marilyn French, Authoress; (later, advisoress to Al Gore's Presidential Campaign.)
Only that's misleading; a character in one of her novels said this line, and attributing it to the author is dishonest.
"Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women's movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage." -- Sheila Cronin, prominent member of NOW
Not too prominent; a google search finds very little, and most of that is linked to your quote.
"The most merciful thing a family can do to one of its infant members is to kill it." Margaret Sanger - founder of planned parenthood
I fail to see how that supports your point; she is not targeting men here.
There's tons more examples, but that sort of stuff, folks, is what Feminism appears to be all about from their public presence and proclamations and past actions in public
Then you don't know much about feminism, cherry-picked quotes aside.
*sigh* what's the point of showing that you're a woman or a man... you are "nomadic (141991)" to me, I don't know your gender and don't care. If you submit a piece of code, I don't go searching for info on you as a person, I look at the code, and review it as-is.
Great, if I'm an anonymous contributor. But what about the sizeable number of named developers, especially on larger, more prominent projects? If the "solution" is to become anonymous and hide every indication of your sex, it seems to me that that indicates a somewhat severe problem. There are a great deal of many people posting here would be positively furious if their code was fixed/rewritten by a female who was a better programmer than them.
I truly believe that racism and sexism are essentially dead with my generation. I can honestly say I've never discounted someone's ideas because they were a woman, or because they had a different skin color.
You may want to ask one of your black friends how their experiences compare.
I have been reading slashdot for 10 years and I have never noticed that. There is the occasion idiotic comment, but I have never seen "flooding." And I am someone who does believe there is a non-trivial amount of racism prevalent in the OSS community.
Face it, if I were to join a group that's 98.5% women and demonstrate that I share an interest with all of them then I strongly suspect I'd get asked out too.
Yeah I guess you may have encountered some jokes, but it's your code that matters
Either it's a community or it isn't. Getting rude anonymous comments is one thing; getting them in a mailing list going back and forth between a small group of developers, that's something different.
As for this idea that only the quality of the code matters in how you're treated, I don't think that's not true. There is an immaturity and a narcissism prevalent among coders, and I think a lot of them would be enraged to find themselves outcoded by a woman, but wouldn't mind it so much being outdone by a man.
Sexism is like racism in the OSS community; there but nobody wants to talk about it (though the racism has been a lot more overt in some situations).
Why? Because I have an opinion different than yours? That's idiotic.
a) Yes they are. Just as one example, irradiated fruits are OFF THE MARKET because of consumer paranoia, even though there's no radioactive contamination of the fruit and the fruit lasts for weeks longer without preservatives.
Well if you're going to start making up things wholesale, then I don't know what to say. The FDA REQUIRES radiation of fruits and vegetables in certain circumstances.
Breeder reactors eat their own waste and produce plutonium, which I'm perfectly comfortable with the US possessing. As far as nuclear waste goes, its radioactivity is very low. Also, nuclear disarmament is a nice touchy-feely foreign policy, but losing our deterrent is bad. We could use the plutonium to make more weapons if we wanted; we're also running out of RTG material for sending stuff on long space missions.
We already have enough nuclear weapons for deterrence, and the idea is for the most part obsolete; those countries who would be deterred would not attack us because there would be no advantage in the current global structure, and those crazies who wouldn't be deterred aren't going to be, whether we have 1 nuclear missile or 10,000. And besides the practical limitations on breeder reactors (horribly expensive, and take decades before they produce more radioactive fuel than they consume), just because plutonium isn't as radioactive as a lot of other byproducts, doesn't mean that it's safe; in fact, it's incredibly toxic.
Maybe I have a different perspective from everyone here in that I'm a lawyer. Abstract damages, good name, etc., sound all very nice in theory, but you'd have a difficult time proving damages.
I don't see damages, which is required to have a legitimate cause of action. While saying someone is "worse at their job than they really" are qualifies as defamation per se in some jurisdictions, I don't think any recognize saying someone is better at their job than they really are" as defamation...
Because I'm a fully qualified, board certified specialist who COULD practice medicine in the US, but refuses to because it's too much hassle. And what's worse is, I'm not the only one. There are many, many physicians who have opted out of medicine and into something less stressful (and potentially disastrous in financial terms). A country that encourages trained specialists to actually work in something less risky because of litigation or even worse, having insurance companies practice medicine by telling doctors what to do and what not to do, is a bit screwed up.
Yet specialists in the U.S. STILL manage to make twice as much money as their counterparts in other countries. Poor guys.
Make players wait in line to buy items in an MMORPG. Make those leveling up characters only capable of talking to one person at a time, and they get breaks, too. Require bathroom breaks or experience loss of social status as characters crap their pants. Require quarterly paperwork to file video game taxes.
I remember in Shenmue having to get that job driving a forklift. I'd have to come to work, and actually DO THE WORK MYSELF. For hours and hours. Realtime hours. I was coming home from work, starting up the Dreamcast, and going to work driving a forklift.
Great game overall, but could have used a little less forklift driving.
It's really sad that people are still so nuke-phobic. My high school chemistry class in '05 explained why nuclear power really isn't dangerous unless people are catastrophically stupid (Chernobyl.) I got it, even with my primitive teenage brain--I think nuclear power is great. Why doesn't anyone else?
a) people aren't generally that nuke-phobic. It's a strawman concocted by the rabidly pro-nuke slashdot contingent to give themselves another reason to feel superior to the luddite rabble. There are many, many nuclear plants in the US.
b) saying that Chernobyl only happened because of stupidity doesn't make the problem go away. In fact, if Chernobyl failed because of some technical flaw that would actually be easier to fix. Human stupidity isn't. If nuclear plants start proliferating in third world countries, the chance of another Chernobyl becomes likely.
b) Most of the pro-nuclear crowd ignores or minimizes the main problem which is the waste. Nuclear waste is in aggregate, difficult to store safely, and because of the relatively long half-life of many types of nuclear waste this problem will be around for a long time to come. Right now . Reprocessing doesn't eliminate nuclear waste, just recycles a portion of it while still creating the same volume of waste, just in forms and less easy to store safely (not to mention the security issues inherent in creating access to plutonium).
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As a 3L who can't get a job, and who will probably go back to software engineering (not necessarily a bad thing) after law school, I wholeheartedly agree. Unless you have a very good reason, don't go to law school. It is not the ticket that it once was, and considering the education required, the payoff is not going to be worth it for most people.
Definitely. I wish the law school deans were more honest. And I wouldn't even say the education isn't worth it, but the debt most people put themselves in definitely isn't.
"...I used to be disappointed that so many of the best minds in the country were being devoted to this enterprise...I mean lawyers, after all, don't produce anything...and I worry that we are devoting too many of out best minds to this enterprise...I don't have any complaint about the quality of the council, except maybe we're wasting some of our best minds"
The skillset that makes you good at the law doesn't necessarily translate well into other fields. Take a hypothetical college student; likes philosophy, social science, literature, great analytical and verbal skills, but not especially strong technical or mathematical skills. What alternate career would you suggest? Through most of human history, being a skilled speaker, writer, and thinker could get you places, but in the modern world those skills aren't as valued.
If a law is written in such a fashion that the average citizen cannot understand it, let alone defend themselves in a court with it, liberty is damaged.
The thing about the law and complexity is it scales. If you're just a regular guy on the street, there isn't THAT much of the law you need to be aware of/understand. If you're a huge company, then yes, there's a lot more you have to be aware of, but you are in the position where you have the resources to do it.
A lot of the "complexity" people complain about in the law is an attempt to create a system that's objective as possible. It doesn't succeed totally, of course, but without this complexity I think it would be a lot worse.
. Sure, Solanas was a seriously disturbed individual. How can you relate the remark from Marylin French as being any less disturbed...
Ummm...Novel. Character. Fiction.
I'd say that the Feminst crowd need to clean house a bit and actively discourage that sort of conduct (which is NOT happening...believe me it's not...) before they have any sort of room to claim "sexist" on other things.
Only...it is. Google second wave feminism vs. third wave feminism.
Why is that though? You want to talk about out dated social mores, the concept that the man is expected to ask the woman out on the date seems to be up there on the list of ones that shouldn't be around any more.
Oh I agree completely. But that doesn't change what the facts are. I would love to be asked out sometime.
...too incredulous to believe. Especially in New York.
Are you kidding?? I'm a lawyer in NY, and the job market here is bad to the point of ridiculousness. Any open position will have hundreds of applicants, and the worst thing is it's probably never going to recover. Too many law schools, too many ignorant law school applicants, and too many law school administrators who are the only ones who benefit from the lawyer explosion.
Playboy's been in bad shape for quite a few years now. It seems like they never figured out how to stay profitable in the face of competition from the web, despite having one of the most valuable brands in the world. Take a look at their chart. [google.com] If you click on the ten-year view, you'll see that they peaked during the dot com boom when investors just assumed that they were going to make a fortune on the net.
The sad thing about playboy is it actually used to be highly respected for things other than pictures of naked young women. Some of the best writers of the 20th century routinely published in their magazine.
Well I can safely say I wholly disagree with MikeeUSA's idiocy. Hans Reiser is a sociopath. If a relationship is bothering you enough, end it.
Solanas was an extremely disturbed paranoid schizophrenic, not a feminist philosopher.
Only that's misleading; a character in one of her novels said this line, and attributing it to the author is dishonest.
"Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women's movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage." -- Sheila Cronin, prominent member of NOW
Not too prominent; a google search finds very little, and most of that is linked to your quote.
"The most merciful thing a family can do to one of its infant members is to kill it." Margaret Sanger - founder of planned parenthood
I fail to see how that supports your point; she is not targeting men here.
There's tons more examples, but that sort of stuff, folks, is what Feminism appears to be all about from their public presence and proclamations and past actions in public
Then you don't know much about feminism, cherry-picked quotes aside.
Actually, he probably would. People ask each other out all the time, it is part of being human.
Women are far, far, far less likely to sak someone out than men. Just a fact.
*sigh* what's the point of showing that you're a woman or a man... you are "nomadic (141991)" to me, I don't know your gender and don't care. If you submit a piece of code, I don't go searching for info on you as a person, I look at the code, and review it as-is.
Great, if I'm an anonymous contributor. But what about the sizeable number of named developers, especially on larger, more prominent projects? If the "solution" is to become anonymous and hide every indication of your sex, it seems to me that that indicates a somewhat severe problem. There are a great deal of many people posting here would be positively furious if their code was fixed/rewritten by a female who was a better programmer than them.
I truly believe that racism and sexism are essentially dead with my generation. I can honestly say I've never discounted someone's ideas because they were a woman, or because they had a different skin color.
You may want to ask one of your black friends how their experiences compare.
I have been reading slashdot for 10 years and I have never noticed that. There is the occasion idiotic comment, but I have never seen "flooding." And I am someone who does believe there is a non-trivial amount of racism prevalent in the OSS community.
Face it, if I were to join a group that's 98.5% women and demonstrate that I share an interest with all of them then I strongly suspect I'd get asked out too.
No, you wouldn't.
Yeah I guess you may have encountered some jokes, but it's your code that matters
Either it's a community or it isn't. Getting rude anonymous comments is one thing; getting them in a mailing list going back and forth between a small group of developers, that's something different.
As for this idea that only the quality of the code matters in how you're treated, I don't think that's not true. There is an immaturity and a narcissism prevalent among coders, and I think a lot of them would be enraged to find themselves outcoded by a woman, but wouldn't mind it so much being outdone by a man.
Sexism is like racism in the OSS community; there but nobody wants to talk about it (though the racism has been a lot more overt in some situations).
I don't have a real gamer box, just a simple video card.
Good news, everybody! If you want to avoid large, complicated, games with good graphics, linux is just the platform you should pick...
know you're just a troll, but...
Why? Because I have an opinion different than yours? That's idiotic.
a) Yes they are. Just as one example, irradiated fruits are OFF THE MARKET because of consumer paranoia, even though there's no radioactive contamination of the fruit and the fruit lasts for weeks longer without preservatives.
Well if you're going to start making up things wholesale, then I don't know what to say. The FDA REQUIRES radiation of fruits and vegetables in certain circumstances. Breeder reactors eat their own waste and produce plutonium, which I'm perfectly comfortable with the US possessing. As far as nuclear waste goes, its radioactivity is very low. Also, nuclear disarmament is a nice touchy-feely foreign policy, but losing our deterrent is bad. We could use the plutonium to make more weapons if we wanted; we're also running out of RTG material for sending stuff on long space missions.
We already have enough nuclear weapons for deterrence, and the idea is for the most part obsolete; those countries who would be deterred would not attack us because there would be no advantage in the current global structure, and those crazies who wouldn't be deterred aren't going to be, whether we have 1 nuclear missile or 10,000. And besides the practical limitations on breeder reactors (horribly expensive, and take decades before they produce more radioactive fuel than they consume), just because plutonium isn't as radioactive as a lot of other byproducts, doesn't mean that it's safe; in fact, it's incredibly toxic.
No, it doesn't. It's said way too much on this website, up to the point where it's a sign of lack of critical thinking.
Maybe I have a different perspective from everyone here in that I'm a lawyer. Abstract damages, good name, etc., sound all very nice in theory, but you'd have a difficult time proving damages.
I don't see damages, which is required to have a legitimate cause of action. While saying someone is "worse at their job than they really" are qualifies as defamation per se in some jurisdictions, I don't think any recognize saying someone is better at their job than they really are" as defamation...
Because I'm a fully qualified, board certified specialist who COULD practice medicine in the US, but refuses to because it's too much hassle. And what's worse is, I'm not the only one. There are many, many physicians who have opted out of medicine and into something less stressful (and potentially disastrous in financial terms). A country that encourages trained specialists to actually work in something less risky because of litigation or even worse, having insurance companies practice medicine by telling doctors what to do and what not to do, is a bit screwed up.
Yet specialists in the U.S. STILL manage to make twice as much money as their counterparts in other countries. Poor guys.
Make players wait in line to buy items in an MMORPG. Make those leveling up characters only capable of talking to one person at a time, and they get breaks, too. Require bathroom breaks or experience loss of social status as characters crap their pants. Require quarterly paperwork to file video game taxes.
I remember in Shenmue having to get that job driving a forklift. I'd have to come to work, and actually DO THE WORK MYSELF. For hours and hours. Realtime hours. I was coming home from work, starting up the Dreamcast, and going to work driving a forklift.
Great game overall, but could have used a little less forklift driving.
It's really sad that people are still so nuke-phobic. My high school chemistry class in '05 explained why nuclear power really isn't dangerous unless people are catastrophically stupid (Chernobyl.) I got it, even with my primitive teenage brain--I think nuclear power is great. Why doesn't anyone else?
a) people aren't generally that nuke-phobic. It's a strawman concocted by the rabidly pro-nuke slashdot contingent to give themselves another reason to feel superior to the luddite rabble. There are many, many nuclear plants in the US.
b) saying that Chernobyl only happened because of stupidity doesn't make the problem go away. In fact, if Chernobyl failed because of some technical flaw that would actually be easier to fix. Human stupidity isn't. If nuclear plants start proliferating in third world countries, the chance of another Chernobyl becomes likely.
b) Most of the pro-nuclear crowd ignores or minimizes the main problem which is the waste. Nuclear waste is in aggregate, difficult to store safely, and because of the relatively long half-life of many types of nuclear waste this problem will be around for a long time to come. Right now . Reprocessing doesn't eliminate nuclear waste, just recycles a portion of it while still creating the same volume of waste, just in forms and less easy to store safely (not to mention the security issues inherent in creating access to plutonium).
Having a bomb does not immediately confer upon you God-like abilities. Though it does tend to make warmongering politicians pause a little.
Having a bomb makes it far less likely that your neighbors will invade you.
Just like medical predators and ambulance chasing lawyers, I congratulate them for driving health care costs to the point where litigation avoidance
And you know this because the health insurance companies told you. And they would never lie, right?
Now that's a productive way to encourage Electric hybrids!
Uhhh...So you think this company, Paice, was formed in order to encourage Electric hybrids? I would assume they were formed to make money.
WTF is wrong with these morons.
If they honestly think they have a claim, then it would be absurd not to go after it. What would you have them do instead?